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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16576 times:
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VS will start receiving its first 787's in 2014, kind of a year from now, followed by the a380 a year later. They have just finished (i think) receiving their a330s and also received rights for some short-haul destinations. What should we expect from VS in the short run? Which are the likely short-haul destinations? Also, with the new aircraft arriving which are the likely destinations? How about SIN, PEK, GIG, MEL, HNL, BKK, HKT, even MLE maybe?

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User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16526 times:

From your list I would suggest that GIG would be top subject to bilaterals obviously. HNL is a wish stated before by VS but would it best suited as an LHR or LGW based aircraft? One city not on your list for the B789 is PER.

User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16460 times:
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Quoting Boysteve (Reply 1):
One city not on your list for the B789 is PER.

Definitely! I believe that UK carriers can expand in Australia. They currently only serve SYD, leaving MEL, PER, ADL & BNE to other carriers like EK, SQ etc
I know that Qantas serves MEL from LHR, but i m sure VS can operate the route as well.


User currently offlinebastew From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 1028 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16388 times:

I reckon the european carriers are pretty much leaving the Europe - Australia routes to the middle east carriers as well as the far east ones.

I would be really suprised to see another Australian city announced.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16182 times:

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 1):
One city not on your list for the B789 is PER.

i don´t see it ever happening, too difficult to make money is such a route.

Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
SIN

Very unlikely, so many daily already.

Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
PEK, GIG

that´s my two guess... now that they didn´t win the rights for Moscow. Maybe we can add GRU to the list as well.

[Edited 2012-12-08 13:22:24]

User currently offlinemal787 From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16169 times:
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Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
followed by the a380 a year later

Are they still taking these?
I was under the impression that these had gone by the wayside.

Mal787



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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15949 times:

Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
What should we expect from VS in the short run?

Nothing. Until it becomes clear what will happen to VS in the long run (alliance / ownership wise) I don't think they'll going to expand (where would the get the slots from?


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15885 times:
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Quoting bastew (Reply 3):
I would be really suprised to see another Australian city announced.

That's a shame really... Would of been great to see British carriers expanding in Australia.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
Maybe we can add GRU to the list as well.

Yes! GRU seems to be very popular from London. I mentioned GIG because for some reason i consider VS to be targeting more leisure routes than business routes. Of course many of them combine both  
Quoting LJ (Reply 6):
Until it becomes clear what will happen to VS in the long run (alliance / ownership wise)

Fingers crossed for SkyTeam!! VS would be a great addition to the alliance. I think it would get lost in Star Alliance, whereas in SkyTeam it would be more powerful (in my opinion).


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15812 times:

Quoting mal787 (Reply 5):
Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
followed by the a380 a year later

Are they still taking these?
I was under the impression that these had gone by the wayside.

Recent article on VS A380 plans. Not before 2017 and even then there's no certainly they'll operate the type.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...nomy-and-oil-price-ridgway-378103/


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 15376 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):

Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
PEK, GIG

that´s my two guess... now that they didn´t win the rights for Moscow. Maybe we can add GRU to the list as well.

PEK-LHR route is really underserved. Compared to PEK-FRA and PEK-CDG that have 3xDaily, PEK-LHR is only 2xDaily. BA is really conservitave on expanding in China Mainland. They are in lack of partners because of the absence of OW in China Mainland.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2997 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14943 times:
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Quoting VCy (Thread starter):
VS will start receiving its first 787's in 2014, kind of a year from now, followed by the a380 a year later. They have just finished (i think) receiving their a330s and also received rights for some short-haul destinations. What should we expect from VS in the short run? Which are the likely short-haul destinations? Also, with the new aircraft arriving which are the likely destinations? How about SIN, PEK, GIG, MEL, HNL, BKK, HKT, even MLE maybe?

Give up already the 787s will replace the remaining 340s on the existing networks and you're a year out -It will 2015 before any start to enter service with deliveries over a number of years so expect little if any new routes.


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14943 times:

Many of the B787s are supposed to be A340 replacements so it is unlikely that there will be many new routes for some time, unless Delta change things of course...

User currently offlinesteve6666 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14006 times:

If they really had the capital to fly to Phuket, Honolulu and Male - and thought those routes would be profitable - then they would have done it from LGW already.

GRU and GIG - when LATAM is confirmed in OneWorld, they would get absolutely murdered by the combination of IAG and LATAM.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 10):
Give up already the 787s will replace the remaining 340s on the existing networks and you're a year out -It will 2015 before any start to enter service with deliveries over a number of years so expect little if any new routes.

Exactly. And a number of the A346s have been withdrawn as the A333s have been received (see the VS source) so the A333s do not represent a net increase of 8 airframes. If someone could work out what the fleet will look like in 2017 compared to today then start the speculation.



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User currently offlineskipness1E From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 3255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 13880 times:

To be clear, Virgin's traffic has fallen in recent years and the new LHR-YVR (why not back to YYZ ??) hardly set the heather alight. Growth has stalled and they are rightly trying to prevent further slippage by investing in a revamped beach fleet and new more efficient A330s to replace four engined A346s. Quite why they need the B787 at all is not clear and frankly the A380 isn't going to happen.
The Airliners.net Magic Dartboard of Route Planning needs to be retired for a few years.

Indeed we've seen PHC, KIN, NAS and SJU come and go at LGW with MRU and NBO come an go at LHR. They can't manage to fill ORD year round and YVR was a bit of risk up against STAR's Air Canada as the home team and BA who've been there for years. They've run out of BA routes they can cherry pick and run year round.

I very much doubt we'll see Virgin launch a new route before BA from LON. Only LGW-LAS and LHR-PVG beat BA to the launch and now they have been joined on both. However they're doing *way* better than recent years on hard product with the arrival of 10 A333s and revamped B744s.


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13022 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 11):

I wonder how things will change with a DL partnership. There were rumours that Branson would give up more than 51% but apparently that is not true. I am surprised that DL is so strong given their awful service in the recent past.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2981 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12737 times:

I agree with the viewpoints raised so far that further Australian cities are unlikely. Even SYD will likely be reviewed at some stage given the resources required to operate the services, and the competitive pressures which drive down yields.

There's already a myriad of one-stop services to Australia, all fighting it out for a piece of the pie. We can all see that VS has struggled to find consistent results on many routes it has tried, but there are better options out there for them than trying to fly half way around the globe to Australia.


User currently offlineKleiner From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

With JAL beginning services with their 787, how about SAN?

User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

I think MAN is going to see some of these maybe to LAX, HKG, JFK, SAO, ATL, SEA, MEX, MVD, SCL, SFO, KIN/MBJ, Virgin Gorda, LAS, BKK, TPE, HND, CAN

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7191 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 18):
I think MAN is going to see some of these maybe to LAX, HKG, JFK, SAO, ATL, SEA, MEX, MVD, SCL, SFO, KIN/MBJ, Virgin Gorda, LAS, BKK, TPE, HND, CAN

Yep, agreed that MAN will see more flights but I don't see MVD any time soon. If Iberia is pulling out then VS doesn't stand a chance.


User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9646 times:

With the A333's win the 3 class config coming to LGW next winter I can maybe see some bucket and spade expansion out of MAN. MAN will loose it's 2 class A330 and become an All Boeing base (well, x2 747 as compared to the x1 747 and x1 A330 is has currently been) The x3 2 class A330's (G-V SXY/KSS/INE) will all be reconfigured with the new J class cabin.


MAN holds a lot of potential, however Virgin are going to try linking there LHR services with a x3 daily A319 on the MAN-LHR run. I could maybe see more bucket and spade routes like MAN-UVF, MAN-ANU and defiantly MAN-CUN, especially with Virgin Holidays are doing so well at flogging the seats.


User currently offlineb78710 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9621 times:

A380's will never be taken, Will probably be converted to A350's.

787's not due to arrive until the end of 2014, so 2 years from now.

787's will replace the A340-600's that are continuing to leave the fleet (3 so far, one more before Christmas and 2 next year. Along with 1 LGW 747-400)


User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4430 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 9):

PEK-LHR route is really underserved. Compared to PEK-FRA and PEK-CDG that have 3xDaily, PEK-LHR is only 2xDaily. BA is really conservitave on expanding in China Mainland. They are in lack of partners because of the absence of OW in China Mainland.

The UK-China market is also smaller than France/Germany/The Netherlands - China. Though this may change once the Chinese investment office goes to London. Maybe this is also due to UKs focus on Hong Kong as a gateway towards China.


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8996 times:

Quoting LJ (Reply 22):
PEK-LHR route is really underserved. Compared to PEK-FRA and PEK-CDG that have 3xDaily, PEK-LHR is

If the need was there, Air China could put larger aircraft on their service. B77Ws were rumoured a year ago but that never happened, maybe because the LGW flights started and split the loads. Even A330-300s are not used, as they are to several places in Europe, so presumably a capacity increase is not needed.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8487 times:

I'd expect MAN-CUN 2 X weekly, as well as perhaps the return of MAN-Antigua.


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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1398 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8518 times:

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 15):
I wonder how things will change with a DL partnership. There were rumours that Branson would give up more than 51% but apparently that is not true

The Sunday Times is reporting this morning (Sun 9 Dec) that DL will take the SQ 49% and AF-KL will take most of Branson's stake leaving him with a small percentage holding. They also say that EI will be operating the VS domestic services. Apparently all of this will come to a conclusion (or not) in the next few days.



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25 jfk777 : Brazil is one country Virgin Atlantic should fly to, Sao Paulo could fill any plane daily to LHR.
26 JobsaGoodun : Whilst I would like to see VS expand, I can't see much happening anytime soon - if reports in the press are to be believed this was a business that lo
27 flybhx764 : I remember reading somewhere that VS was looking to fly LHR - IAH, China and India Destinations. Whatever they do add good luck to them.
28 LHRFlyer : There is really not a chance of most of these routes being launched by VS from MAN. No feed and a limited O&D market. The current MAN routes work
29 Post contains images VCy : skyteam!! i hope they manage to keep the onboard product the same tho! if not, then at least lets hope it doesnt end up looking like DL.
30 justinlee : It's also due to the visa problem. France and Germany has issued Approved Destination Status contract with China. It's pretty easy for Chinese to get
31 laca773 : Since this is about speculation, if this DL/AF buy out takes place, I look for VS to start LHR-ATL, possibly DTW. Other Sky Team hub flights will foll
32 willd : I think you will find that when the agreements were made between the UK and Chinese governments, BA was given PEK and VS PVG. A couple of years later
33 skipness1E : Barely worked for BA and was only relaunched due to their relationship and local support and feed from AA. Highly unlikely. Most are not remotely lik
34 migair54 : Now IAH will be a difficult destination with 2xday BA and 3xday United. GRU is the most logical destination from LHR, big yields and the possibilitie
35 Calpe : I think in the short term VS are better off concentrating on upgrading their current offering which it would appear they are doing a good job at. I do
36 steve6666 : Well hold on a minute. At the moment there are two direct flights a day. There are big yields on BA - but at the same time, I have just bought two re
37 sunrisevalley : It doesn't work , at least non-stop, to the UK. It does'nt work for a 77L so it wont work for a 789. Westbound non stop is pushing 19hrs / 8550nm ESA
38 TWA772LR : How about MAN-BDA? Or London to AUS during the summer?
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