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MSP Blue Concourse - 1970s  
User currently offlineWALmsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 158 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

I am in the preliminary design stages of a model airport and I am looking for layouts, terminal maps, or photographs demonstrating the gate layout and allocation for the MSP Blue Concourse during the 1970s. There is a thread here on A.net from 2007 with links to these types of things, but the links are no longer active. As I remembered from my childhood days (many years ago), Braniff had the first three gates in the alley,


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TWA had 1 or 2 gates along the outside edge, United had 1 or 2 along that same edge, and Western had 5 or 6 at the end of the concourse.

i am particularly interested in how/where Western parked their DC-10s. As I remember, they were on the corners. I do have photographs showing a DC-10 parked on the alley corner, where gate E13 is currently located , as can be seen in the background of this this:


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but, I have a vague memory of arriving in Minneapolis on a DC-10 that parked on the opposite corner where gate E14 is located.

Anything that could help refresh my memory would be greatly appreciated.


In memory of my Dad, Robert "Bob" Fenrich, WAL 1964-1979, MSP ONT LAX
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User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2051 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

I have diagrams of MSP from 1972 and 1975 (from old copies of the OAG) and gate arrangements on the Blue Concourse are as follows:

Braniff: Gates 23, 25, 27
Western: Gates 29, 31, 32
United: Gates 24, 26, 28
Ozark: Gate 22 (there was an upper and lower level gate labeled 22 and 22A)

Ozark also had two gates (35 and 36) on the Green Concourse, alongside Eastern and Allegheny.

I don't believe TWA started service to MSP until after deregulation in 1978, and if memory serves they were located on the Red Concourse with NW and NC initially.


User currently offlineWALmsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

Apparently, my memory is incorrect!

Thanx for the info...



In memory of my Dad, Robert "Bob" Fenrich, WAL 1964-1979, MSP ONT LAX
User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 858 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 1):
located on the Red Concourse with NW and NC initially.

When I first started with CO in the early 80's I recall seeing a customers old boarding pass, stating "Red__".
Is that a false memory, or was it real? Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses? I also have a fascination with old terminal diagrams. And now with what looks like a career change on hand, I am looking into cartography with a bent on airport layouts as well.

JD CRP



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User currently offlineCalebWilliams From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3449 times:

If you're in the metro area, you could make an appointment with the MAC office and see if they have any additional information on gate layouts. Having been there before, they have some high resolution photos from various stages of the airport's development.

http://www.metroairports.org/mac/contact_us.aspx



Caleb Williams MSP AUS STL AMS CPH LGW YYZ
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3814 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 3):
Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses? I also have a fascination with old terminal diagrams. And now with what looks like a career change on hand, I am looking into cartography with a bent on airport layouts as well.

I think when ATL's current terminal opened, its concourses were color-coded. There's a great site independent of the airport's that has info about both the old and current terminals (with "Peach" in the name) which demonstrates this, but I can't find it right now.

Also, the signs for each of PIT's four (at one time, five) concourses have a different color, though they still use the letter designations primarily: http://airchive.com/html/airplanes-a...pittsburgh-pa-usa/concourse-c/4570



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User currently offlineiowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 1):
I don't believe TWA started service to MSP until after deregulation in 1978, and if memory serves they were located on the Red Concourse with NW and NC initially

They were located in the red concourse for quite a while. I remember them being there in the early 1990s. I used to see them on the red concourse when I made my beeline for the end of the red concourse when NW used to park their 744 making the morning hop to DTW there so that I could admire it. I'm not sure how long they stayed after that until the merger with AA.


User currently offlinetoltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 5):
I think when ATL's current terminal opened, its concourses were color-coded.

Negative. ATL midfield was T, A, B, C, D from the start. T was international only of course.


User currently offlinejsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2051 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2999 times:

Quoting toltommy (Reply 7):
Negative. ATL midfield was T, A, B, C, D from the start. T was international only of course.

The ATL concourses did have color designations but they were very much a secondary designator and they weren't really utilized or promoted much. The colors appeared on maps but that's about it. Concourse A was red, Concourse B was purple, Concourse C was blue and Concourse D was green. The T gates (then the international concourse) didn't have a color - but T was added onto the midfield terminal after construction began and wasn't part of the original design.


User currently offlineWALmsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2955 times:

Quoting CalebWilliams (Reply 4):
If you're in the metro area, you could make an appointment with the MAC office

Unfortunately, I am not in the Metro area, but in Santa Barbara, CA (but it is warmer)!

It is becoming apparent to me that I have blended several childhood memories into one incorrect one. Good thing these forums exist to straighten me out.  



In memory of my Dad, Robert "Bob" Fenrich, WAL 1964-1979, MSP ONT LAX
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting jsnww81 (Reply 8):
The ATL concourses did have color designations but they were very much a secondary designator and they weren't really utilized or promoted much. The colors appeared on maps but that's about it. Concourse A was red, Concourse B was purple, Concourse C was blue and Concourse D was green. The T gates (then the international concourse) didn't have a color - but T was added onto the midfield terminal after construction began and wasn't part of the original design.

Yes...when I was a youngin' I clearly remember the color corrilation was part of the Battlestar Gallalactica voice on the train saying 'the color coded maps an signs in the vehicle match the station colors'. I found an audio of it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHzb98VG3NM

Thank you for the retro MSP info btw...I was based there for 5 years in the early 00s. The whole green/red/gold thing was before my time, but many of my coworkers still used the terms.


User currently offlinedeltacto From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 456 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 3):
Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses?

Dallas Love Field had the Red, Yellow, and Green Concourses

http://web.archive.org/web/200805111...dterminals.topcities.com/love.html


Here is MSP in 1975

http://web.archive.org/web/200602110...inals.topcities.com/MSPmap1975.jpg


This is a fascinating web site about old airport terminals. You can only access it through the web archive tho

[Edited 2012-12-09 12:34:24]

User currently offlineWALmsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

Quoting deltacto (Reply 11):

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 3):
Also, is/was/are there any other airports, that used a colour system todesignate concourses?

Dallas Love Field had the Red, Yellow, and Green Concourses

http://web.archive.org/web/200805111...dterminals.topcities.com/love.html


Here is MSP in 1975

http://web.archive.org/web/200602110...inals.topcities.com/MSPmap1975.jpg


This is a fascinating web site about old airport terminals. You can only access it through the web archive tho

Great site!



In memory of my Dad, Robert "Bob" Fenrich, WAL 1964-1979, MSP ONT LAX
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