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China Airlines Stowaway At SFO  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7192 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12966 times:

http://avherald.com/h?article=45a38d1a&opt=0
Wow, this is surprising. Disguised as a cleaning personnel, forged passport, and hid in the electrical compartment.

Question is...why? Anyone have more information on this? This is quite surprising.

A few of the comments say he may have been seeking political asylum.


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User currently offlineAeri28 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 705 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12818 times:

Why what?

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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5418 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12796 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Question is...why?

Well remember, Chinese citizens are not free to just come and go as they please from China. They must obtain permission from the Chinese government in order to leave the country. And the government does not grant permission to quite a wide range of citizens for various reasons.

Tugg



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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 2):
Well remember, Chinese citizens are not free to just come and go as they please from China. They must obtain permission from the Chinese government in order to leave the country. And the government does not grant permission to quite a wide range of citizens for various reasons.

I agree, this guy must have been pretty desperate to get out of China and would have gone absolutely anywhere. I've lived in China and have seen the hardship that many citizens have, and can understand why he may have tried to flee the country. But how could he have known the plane would connect to SFO? It was just a risk he was going to take I suppose. The plane could have returned to the mainland on another sector, or even a maintainence hanger.

Its a very interesting story.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7192 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12719 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 2):
Question is...why?

Well remember, Chinese citizens are not free to just come and go as they please from China.

This is taiwan, not China...don't they have more freedoms than mainland?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20373 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12675 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
This is taiwan, not China...don't they have more freedoms than mainland?

The stowaway boarded in Shanghai. One can assume he's from the mainland.



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User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12675 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
This is taiwan, not China...don't they have more freedoms than mainland?

In the attached article, it says he came from PVG, connected in TPE to SFO


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7192 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12613 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
The stowaway boarded in Shanghai. One can assume he's from the mainland.
Quoting Fuling (Reply 6):
In the attached article, it says he came from PVG, connected in TPE to SFO

Oh right, didn't read my own article    How often does this happen though?



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User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12477 times:

China Airlines flies from TAIWAN Republic of China, Air China flies from Mainland China, People's Republic... So It's AIR CHINA, Not China Airlines.

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20373 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12426 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 8):
So It's AIR CHINA, Not China Airlines.

No, it was China Airlines. CI flight from PVG-TPE is the one the stowaway got on. He avoided detection for the TPE-SFO flight.

C'mon folks, read the link.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12426 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 8):
China Airlines flies from TAIWAN Republic of China, Air China flies from Mainland China, People's Republic... So It's AIR CHINA, Not China Airlines.

It was a China Airlines flight originating in PVG. It arrived in TPE and was routed out to SFO.



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User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12013 times:

gotcha, ok... I've been in the industry almost 23 years and that's everyone's biggest point of error

User currently offlineflyingalex From Germany, joined Jul 2010, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10523 times:

What I'd like to know is whether this guy knew where the aircraft was going next. If he did, how could he have known?

Or did he just get on, and hope for the best in terms of where he would end up?



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Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10351 times:
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Quoting flyingalex (Reply 12):
Or did he just get on, and hope for the best in terms of where he would end up?

Doubt he knew - it was most likely luck. However, tracking the registration number of this aircraft shows that it frequently makes trips to LAX and SFO, so if he did do any homework before embarking on the big journey, this might have been a factor to why he picked that flight.

He would have been SOL if the airline decided to dispatch B-18210 back to PVG!


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 9735 times:

I just hope the US doesn't send him back to China because man..... there WILL BE wild consequences!  

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 940 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9012 times:
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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
I just hope the US doesn't send him back to China because man..... there WILL BE wild consequences!

couldn't agree more, but I doubt the U.S will deport him. They know what might happen to him

A few years ago a China Eastern A340 captain asked for asylum at LAX


User currently offlinerocket45 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8788 times:

Where on the 747-400 is the electrical compartment where the fellow was hiding? Was it entered from inside the cabin? Don't really understand how this happened.

User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3203 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8527 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 15):
couldn't agree more, but I doubt the U.S will deport him. They know what might happen to him

I'm 99% sure they will deport him. Western countries deport Chinese citizens back to China all the time (often kicking and screaming and in handcuffs)



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3548 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8408 times:

Quoting rocket45 (Reply 16):

Where on the 747-400 is the electrical compartment where the fellow was hiding? Was it entered from inside the cabin? Don't really understand how this happened.

IIRC, it's towards the nose of the plane. There's typically an access hatch in the A zone of the aircraft. which is the area forward of L1/R1. My guess is he slipped down the hatch into the compartment at PVG and stayed there until the flight arrived in SFO.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7192 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7885 times:

Quoting je89_w (Reply 13):
Doubt he knew - it was most likely luck. However, tracking the registration number of this aircraft shows that it frequently makes trips to LAX and SFO, so if he did do any homework before embarking on the big journey, this might have been a factor to why he picked that flight.

Maybe he indeed did his homework....watch this guy be an A.netter from China  



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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7699 times:

This guy had help from the beginning. Where did he get forged passport from? Certainly not the local store. How did he get a uniform and access to certain areas. He was told what to do and put in that area of the aircraft. He is probably from Fujian. A snake Head helped him.

As for going back to china? Asylum all the way.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12128 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7440 times:

He had to have known the aircraft would continue on to the US, otherwise he woud have gotten off after the first landing in TPE. This guy will be sent back to China. The Obama Administration would not want to upset China over this minor issue.

User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7365 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 20):
This guy had help from the beginning. Where did he get forged passport from? Certainly not the local store. How did he get a uniform and access to certain areas. He was told what to do and put in that area of the aircraft. He is probably from Fujian. A snake Head helped him.

It's the worst way to do so. Just see how many illegal immigrants in Flushing! Most of them get fake passport to Canada first and then go to US. Quite a easy way without footprint check in Canada.


User currently offlineordjoe From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Tough to say what will happen to this guy, he basically has to prove he has a well founded fear of being persecuted due to a variety of reasons. I think unless you have some advocacy group helping you it is really hard to stay here. I just wonder if he is deported, who pays the deportation, CI or US immigration. How big is this electrical compartment, TPE to SFO I would think has to be a minimum of 10 hours in desirable wind.

User currently offlinelweber557 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Well at least he was smart enough to hide a pressurized part of the aircraft and not the cargo bins or landing gear compartments. I say we let him stay on the grounds he's got some common sense and this country needs more people with common sense.

25 trex8 : The guys an illegal immigrant full stop. Illegal mainland Chinese are detained at the airports and sent back regularly. Every administration sends ba
26 flyingalex : All of the 747's cargo compartments are pressurised.
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