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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5462 times:
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Interesting developments this month in the aviation industry of Greece and Cyprus  

- Qatar announces flights between ATH & JFK   

- Easyjet just announced 2 weekly flights from LCA to MXP starting at the end of March, with Hermes airports negotiating ryanair's next flights from Cyprus for the summer. Also, Easyjet will introduce MAN from SKG and CDG from CFU (seasonal).

- What's going on with Skygreece Airlines and Hellas Airlines?

- Emirates upgraded its LCA flights to an a340.. How are the loads on the flights?

- Air France announced seasonal flights to ATH from Nice, Toulouse & Marseille

- Cyprus Airways! What's going on? Still hearing some rumors about MEA and Aeroflot taking over, what do you think?

- IB decides to leave ATH  

Anything more that you believe needs to be discussed, just comment  

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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5403 times:

EK is actually going to use a 777-200 on the DXB-LCA-MLA route in 2013, so loads must be pretty good.


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5330 times:
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Does that aircraft have first class seats as well? EK dominates the Cyprus-Asia/Africa/Oceania market and many consider them for flights to the US. They've established their name here for sure  

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2956 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5298 times:
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The three regional non ER models do not have first , however the six ER aircraft do have seating for 12 first class passengers.

User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5172 times:
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I guess Cyprus gets one of the regional ones. There s quite a huge difference in the number of available seats between the a340 and the 777-200! is most of the traffic towards LCA?

User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 685 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Was looking at the BA LHR-LCA flights for next summer, and looks like the outbound will become an overnight flight.
Traditionally this has always been a daytime flight.....
alot less appealing now ... 22.30 ex LHR 0500 LCA. ...
very little chance to get some sleep on a short 4 1/2 hour overnighter...
+ it now looks like the aircraft will sit at LCA for 6 hiurs prior to the return ex LCA1100 -1400 LHR.

Shame.


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5160 times:
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Does that mean that this will make connections easier? Because before if you wanted to connect on a BA flight you had to stay overnight in London. Also, is it with an a320 or are they staying with the 767?

User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5144 times:
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Yep connections are easier now.. must a response to the VS-CY agreement which must have seen them lose alot of US bound traffic from Cyprus. However, it still doesn't make sense to leave their 767 grounded for so long in LCA.

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2956 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5106 times:
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Emirates timetable shows 3 Class 772 (That's ER) with FJY from February.

These are A6-EMI A6-EMH A6-EMG A6-EMJ A6-EMK and A6- EML

F=12 J=42 Y=220 that's an uplift of just 7 in Y (Economy) over the A343 (Both F and J are identical !)and thats shared with Malta !

However the 772 has significant cargo uplift over the A343


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5097 times:
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Quoting rutankrd (Reply 8):
F=12 J=42 Y=220 that's an uplift of just 7 in Y (Economy) over the A343 (Both F and J are identical !)and thats shared with Malta !

I was looking at the ones without First class seats and they offer 304 economy seats thats why i said its a huge difference. And i know its shared with Malta but i was asking if there is more demand for LCA than for MLA.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2956 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5088 times:
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Quoting VCy (Reply 7):
Yep connections are easier now.. must a response to the VS-CY agreement which must have seen them lose alot of US bound traffic from Cyprus. However, it still doesn't make sense to leave their 767 grounded for so long in LCA.


Its almost certainly a slot usage issue at LHR. A 6-7 am LCA departure would use up a valuable early morning Trans Atlantic slot.

Arrivals at LHR between 1 and 3-30 PM are the lowest value/cost yet still allow connections onto the late afternoon trans Atlantic departures block.

What it does mean is a Looooong wait going east for many from the US/Canada- To Cyprus (Need a book and plenty of spending money for refreshments in T5/T3

[Edited 2012-12-09 07:47:17]

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2956 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5078 times:
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Quoting VCy (Reply 9):
I was looking at the ones without First class seats and they offer 304 economy seats thats why i said its a huge difference. And i know its shared with Malta but i was asking if there is more demand for LCA than for MLA.

I understood that was your thought process , really through the move is likely driven by boxes rather than pax.

I suspect LCA generates the majority of PAX and east bound perishable cargo, however Malta takes much of the inbound cargo including consignments transferred on to Libya.


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5062 times:
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Quoting rutankrd (Reply 10):
Arrivals at LHR between 1 and 3-30 PM are the lowest value/cost yet still allow connections onto the late afternoon trans Atlantic departures block.

What it does mean is a Looooong wait going east for many from the US/Canada- To Cyprus (Need a book and plenty of spending money for refreshments in T5/T3

I have a feeling that the CY and VS flights will be more popular. They have promoted it very well in Cyprus, but either way there is strong demand for London itself to fill up the flights  
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 11):
I suspect LCA generates the majority of PAX and east bound perishable cargo, however Malta takes much of the inbound cargo including consignments transferred on to Libya.

I've always wondered how much demand there is for MLA from DXB from EK's network. I know for sure that they have very very very low fares between LCA & MLA, making it very popular with Cypriots.


User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 4762 times:

Quoting VCy (Reply 12):
I have a feeling that the CY and VS flights will be more popular. They have promoted it very well in Cyprus, but either way there is strong demand for London itself to fill up the flights

The 14:00 arrival of BA at LHR practically means that passengers may connect to transatlantic flights departing after 15:30 taking into account the guidance for 90 connection time between T3 and T5 (unless LCA is moved back to T5???).

The 22:30 departure from LHR is indeed less appealing as any passengers arriving from transatlantic flights will have to wait for quite long time until their departure for LCA.

I have traveled twice on the BA to/from LCA during the last 10 months and both times the a/c was parked at a remote stand and buses were used for boarding/de-boarding. Is BA only using remote stands at T3 or was it just coincidence?



CY@Uk
User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4721 times:

Aegean will be moving its Heathrow flights to Gatwick and they will be also launching night flights to Kiev.

User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4663 times:
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Does anyone have any information with the flights to China that are supposed to start next year?

User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Quoting VCy (Reply 15):

All I know is that they are supposed to fly to Paphos, not Larnaca.


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
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That's what i've heard too.. I d like to see Hainan operate the flights but it will probably be one of the skyteam carriers. I think it shoud of been LCA!

User currently offlineCYatUK From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 810 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

Quoting VCy (Reply 17):
That's what i've heard too.. I d like to see Hainan operate the flights but it will probably be one of the skyteam carriers. I think it shoud of been LCA!

If the above realizes, it will definitely have to be out of LCA if Business Customers are targeted.

Speaking for LCA, it is quite interesting that many of Europe's large carriers do not fly to LCA.

Some of them include:

Air France
KLM (code shares with CY on LCA-AMS flights)
Iberia (or Iberia Express which surprisingly flew to Mykonos over summer 2012)
Air Berlin
Germanwings

I am wondering why this happens whilst many of the above carriers fly to other "smaller" destinations in Europe.



CY@Uk
User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4589 times:
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Quoting CYatUK (Reply 18):
Speaking for LCA, it is quite interesting that many of Europe's large carriers do not fly to LCA.

Some of them include:

Air France
KLM (code shares with CY on LCA-AMS flights)
Iberia (or Iberia Express which surprisingly flew to Mykonos over summer 2012)
Air Berlin
Germanwings

                        Thnak you!!! That's what i dont get either!!
Air France and Iberia especially! I mean Paris has very very strong demand from LCA and Spain is one of the most popular destinations and yet there are no direct services       The demand was proved with ryanair's flights to Girona which were always full. I dont get it!   


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

SkyTeam's lack of service to LCA from Europe is quite annoying to me personally as well. Only TAROM serves Cyprus directly from a European airport, albeit with an inferior product, their old 737-300s.  


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4550 times:
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Agreed! Hopefully this will change given CY's strong bond with SkyTeam  

User currently offlineJU068 From Serbia, joined Aug 2009, 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 18):
Air Berlin

If I am not mistaken they fly during the summer from Nuremberg.

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 18):
If the above realizes, it will definitely have to be out of LCA if Business Customers are targeted.

Well, the deal is to bring most of the Chinese tourists to Paphos, so I guess that is why they are not going to be flying to Larnaca.

Quoting CYatUK (Reply 18):
Air France

Well Transavia flew from Orly to Larnaca this summer, I guess Air France has no interest. Also, Cyprus Airways isn't even flying daily, so I think the market isn't that great.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 20):

There is Aeroflot with their IL96 flights! 
They operate up to three daily flights in summer.


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2964 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting JU068 (Reply 22):

There is Aeroflot with their IL96 flights! 
They operate up to three daily flights in summer.

Of course this is correct. lol
But it is from most European airports it is actually shorter to fly to BEY and connect there than to fly via SVO.  



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlinedancrane From Italy, joined Aug 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

Quoting VCy (Thread starter):

I can't find any press release from U2 regarding the route between MXP and LCA, can You give me a source of the information?


25 Post contains images VCy : I found it on U2 's website try searching MXP-LCA any Wednesday or Sunday after March (if im not mistaken).
26 Post contains images VCy : check the inspire me section on their website
27 JU068 : The flight departs Larnaca at 21:00 and arrives to Milan at 23:50. I wonder what this means for Cyprus Airways and their two weekly rotations.
28 VCy : Isn't CY terminating it MXP flights?
29 JU068 : Flights are bookable in May/June so they might have reconsidered it. I know they are terminating their flights to Vienna.
30 CYatUK : Well, yes. I should have been more specific - I meant Air Berlin flights to Berlin where connections to Europe and US may also be taken. Hopefully th
31 Post contains images VCy : and BHX, leaving monarch with a monopoly
32 FreshSide3 : Glad to see a Greece/Cyprus forum. Many interesting comments. But there are other issued to be addressed. (1) I see concerns about the upstart Greek c
33 Post contains images VCy : From what i understand i think they are operating flights on behalf of a scandinavian airline. as seen on this trip report -> Greek Hospitality On
34 FreshSide3 : EK did have a promotional A380 flight on DXB-ATH a few weeks ago. Would not surprise me to seeing it more often, given the absence of SQ/TG, and the n
35 Post contains links debonair : Further questions: 1. When will we see finally MINOAN AIR's Oxford timetable??? The airline plans to operate the Munich, Amsterdam, Copenhagen Dublin
36 CYatUK : Given Deltas 49% stake in Virgin Atlantic and the proposed setup of a JV to operate flights between UK and the US, I wonder how this will affect the c
37 UAL747DEN : Getting to Cyprus on STAR was no fun either, I don't know about now but the connections were impossible so CY was the only option. It was a fine optio
38 CYatUK : The "usual" Summer schedule of STAR carriers and especially LH, allows connections to the majority if US destinations via either FRA or MUC as there
39 bennett123 : I heard recently that the ex OA A340's were to be scrapped in Athens. Can anyone confirm this. Many thanks. David
40 AIR MALTA : LCA is indeed moving back to T5... I think with SIN and SYD moving to T5 as well, I think we will see some Terminal changes again for next Summer tim
41 FreshSide3 : From what I understand, the four OA A340s were sold to a leasing company in Florida a few months ago. Don't know what happened to the fifth plane.
42 spetouss : Ryanair posted today flights from Paphos to Weeze (NRN) starting in next April....
43 Post contains images ushermittwoch : Damn it! I just booked a flight to LCA from CGN for, I assume way more money. EDIT: Okay, just looked. It's only once a week (Tuesday) and not really
44 Post contains images VCy : According to CY's newsletter, they have an agreenment with AF, providing connections to 6 destinations in France via CDG. But what was surprising in t
45 CYatUK : Does that mean that LCA-CDG flights will be code shared with AF? Also, will the CY flight number be added to certain flights from CDG to these 6 dest
46 VCy : Wouldn't it make more sense if they used VS's lounge? Does anyone know why there is an EK aircraft grounded at LCA? passed by there very early in the
47 ushermittwoch : No idea. But it cannot be the flight to MLA from earlier today since that bird is in Malta, ready to take off to LCA.
48 VCy : FR summer destination's from PFO :Chania, Dusseldorf-Weeze, Kaunas, Krakow, London Stansted, Manchester, Milan - Bergamo, Patra-Araxos, Stockholm &
49 Post contains images VCy : Air Baltic coming back to LCA from April
50 VCy : CY asking for 73 million euros more from the government. "AILING state carrier Cyprus Airways (CY) is asking the state for an additional €73 million
51 FreshSide3 : What's the status of Larissa Airport? I heard about 3-4 years ago they planned to remodel it, and have service back in there in 2013.......any updates
52 CYatUK : LCA-CRL appears to be available on their booking system but no other routes from LCA appear at this time.
53 VCy : Some new routes for the summer from LCA: -Travel Service (Smartwings) to Prague -Tansavia to Paris Orly -Aerosvit to Odessa and Donetsk
54 VCy : So it looks like FR has pulled out of LCA. Instead, they are adding Girona and Bologna from PFO. Hopefully someone picks up LCA-BCN/girona because the
55 ushermittwoch : It's only an hour and a half drive. There is no need to add flights to LCA, especially for FR, since I am pretty sure that PFO has substantially lowe
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