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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 51  
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13956 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LI

"Tribute to SAM COLOMBIA in Central America"

SAM was the acronym of "Sociedad Aeronautica de Medellin" and it sustained a close commercial relationship with Avianca.
I found information since the 60s concerning to their former operations in the isthmus.
Confirmed destinations: Guatemala City, Tegucigalpa, Panama City, San Jose.
Confirmed equipments: Lockheed L-188 Electra, Boeing 720, Boeing 727 series, BAe 146





Any expansion in the forum would be appreciated.

Edited on December 09th, 2012


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13950 times:

Talking about SAM Colombian airlines, not sure if they also flew to SAL (when it was Ilopango MSSS), scheduled or charters..
After SAM was gone, so was the scheduled SJO-ADZ, haven't heard of any other airline flying that route again.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13892 times:

From the top of my head: I can almost remember SAM flying BOG-ADZ-SJO-GUA with 727 series in the late 80s. IATA designator: MM.
They also served the SJO-TGU segment for a little while in the 80s.
LACSA flew the SJO-ADZ segment in the 70s and prior to the 727 era. SAM flew the same route with Electra turbo-props.
Speaking about SJO, the BAe 146 was utilized sometimes in the 90s. During the early years of this century, AV operated the BOG-SJO sector using the MM designator for their flights.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13854 times:

Yeah I remember seeing them at GUA in the old terminal config. They usually used gate 1


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13700 times:

Gotta love those Electras!


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13677 times:

Panama government orders Tocumen INC to stop bid From www.prensa.com in Spanish
The Panamanian government ordered government owned Tocumen INC to stop the bid for the improvement and re-furnishing of the airport immigration and customs area.
As it's, even as the number of arriving passengers is no-where near the connecting ones, Tocumen immigration and customs is a shame, tight, small and really overcrowded several times per day.
Sadly, it looks like it's going to remain the same until the South Terminal is completed and hopefully all immigration and customs procedures will take place there.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13594 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
Gotta love those Electras


You gave material for the name of future threads: "Electras in Central America" We can speak about those local airlines who owned this kind of turbo-props: COPA, LACSA, SAHSA, the former TACA and so on.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 1):
After SAM was gone, so was the scheduled SJO-ADZ, haven't heard of any other airline flying that route again


TACA has barely operated the SJO-ADZ sector twice a week as charter flights attending the Decameron Resorts from the island. These flights are usually deploying the 100-seater E-90.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 13478 times:

according to another thread AV/TA just ordered some ATRs

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...ncataca-orders-15-atr-72-600s-1212



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User currently offlineav757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13458 times:
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SAM Colombia never had BAE-146, They operated 10 Avro RJ100's.

User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
AV/TA just ordered some ATRs


TACA REGIONAL has utilized second-handed ATR-42s.
I understood AV/TA has opted for 15 brand-new ATR 72-600 series based on the experience of their regional planes utilized in Central America.

Regards.



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User currently onlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 13284 times:
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Where will they use them? Perhaps they will be used to create smaller banks in SAL and SJO? Maybe add a regional turboprop hub at GUA?


avi8
User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13245 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 10):
Where will they use them? Perhaps they will be used to create smaller banks in SAL and SJO? Maybe add a regional turboprop hub at GUA?

They will retire the ATR42 and bring the ATR72 to Guatemala, so routes GUA-FRS, GUA-SAP, GUA-TGU will be on the new ones.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12977 times:

Does anyone know if CO (now UA) are bringing their usual widebodies to SAL, GUA etc over the holidays?


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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12966 times:
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I read today Copa is increasing Cancun to 5X daily, all 737operation... looks like a good route for Copa.

I assume most of that traffic to Cancun is from South America?


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 12955 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 13):

I read today Copa is increasing Cancun to 5X daily, all 737operation... looks like a good route for Copa.

I assume most of that traffic to Cancun is from South America?

Maybe the odd person off of KLs AMS flight....



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12931 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 13):
I read today Copa is increasing Cancun to 5X daily, all 737operation... looks like a good route for Copa.

Even worse scenario to see CM in MID.
In southern Mexico CM E190 PTY-VSA.HUX-PTY route may look interesting some day soon.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 12906 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 15):
Even worse scenario to see CM in MID.

MID would work. How about a PTY-BZE-MID-BZE-PTY....there is MID-BZE traffic.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12731 times:

For all of us pilots and aviation lovers alike in Central America, there is an Air Rally scheduled in 2013 in our mid continent.
More information:
http://airrally.com/2/rally.htm



C208B
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12719 times:

UA has added IAD-GUA/SJO and ORD-SJO

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...nal-domestic-routes-153000543.html



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12672 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 16):
MID would work. How about a PTY-BZE-MID-BZE-PTY....there is MID-BZE traffic.

So much wishful thinking.
I really doubt México would allow CM traffic between BZE and MID or anywhere in Mexico.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12669 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
I really doubt México would allow CM traffic between BZE and MID or anywhere in Mexico.

That is not mexico's to give. as the midpoint it would be Belize's rights....and CM can have those anytime it wants.
Dont forget CO used to operate IAH-MID-BZE-MID-IAH with full traffic rights (I know cause I used to fly it BZE-MID). It believe it was in the 90's they used to do that.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12648 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
That is not mexico's to give. as the midpoint it would be Belize's rights....and CM can have those anytime it wants.

I don't think CM has any Mexican frequencies left to use for MID.
Last Mexico gave CM MTY, PVR and SJC.
If CM could get Mexico to allow it to fly to other Mexican cities than PVR and SJC, surely CM would ask for TLC way before MID if none the frequencies can be used for extra flights to MEX.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12603 times:

IF CM wants to fly to MID, the Yucatan Gov't will make it happen.....


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12547 times:

Any guesses on which "Americas" carrier is behind the undisclosed C-Series order yesterday. The quantities involved strike me as latin and it would be a perfect "smaller aircraft" for CM. Would be ideal for Caribbean and smaller mexican / latin destinations


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 12522 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 23):
it would be a perfect "smaller aircraft" for CM

After all that investment in adding the Embraer aircraft to an all Boeing 737 fleet, CM would drop the Brazilians and go Canadian?
Would look like the kind of order Latam or Aeroméxico would place..



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 12568 times:
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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 19):
So much wishful thinking.
I really doubt México would allow CM traffic between BZE and MID or anywhere in Mexico

Mexico wouldn't grant that, Aeromexico's management would go insane if that happnes... AM's management knows people in some high-up places

Several years ago AM's CEO made a few phone-calls demanding Malaysia's LAX-MEX rights to be remove. the rest is history


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12524 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 25):
Mexico wouldn't grant that,

Don't be so sure...times are changing in Mexico.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12445 times:

December has almost come and gone and Tropic Air is still waiting on it Mexican approvals to start BZE-CUN. This was promised in Oct from the Government of Mexico.

One has to wonder if Tropic will get frustrated and used the equipment elsewhere....maybe RTB or LCE



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 8 months 6 days ago) and read 12431 times:

Hello guys, someone here can tell me if these rumors are circulating there too?

According to CM staff here in MAO, CM is searching the potential market for LET-MAO, to compete with T4 (TRIP AZUL), TRIP flies an ATR to TBT, the border sister city of LET, people in the Amazon have no road options, they can either stick to the 6 DAYS boat travel in order to reach the border towns with colombia and Peru! or take the up to 500 usd return regional TRIP flight!

PS- for a few years now, most of south american citizens don't need passports to visit or transit in each other for up to 90 days, so that could help a loooooooot!

[Edited 2012-12-24 07:11:36]

User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12412 times:
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"December has almost come and gone and Tropic Air is still waiting on it Mexican approvals to start BZE-CUN. This was promised in Oct from the Government of Mexico."

That'd would be a really good route for them (if they get it).. But If they're waiting on the Mexican government, well............


User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 30, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12426 times:

Confirmed new flights in Central America next year:

United. Washington Dulles - Guatemala City
UA 1606.....IAD 09:00.......GUA 11:33.......Sa.......738
UA 1658.....GUA 12:40.....IAD 19:26.........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

United. Washington Dulles - San Jose
UA 1180.....IAD 09:00.......SJO 11:46.......Sa.......738
UA 1623.....SJO 13:25......IAD 20:10........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

United. Chicago O'Hare - San Jose
UA 1187.....ORD 08:15.......SJO 12:21.......Sa.......738
UA 1651.....SJO 13:01........ORD 19:24......Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th




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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 28):
CM is searching the potential market for LET-MAO

Perhaps any tag-on for the existing CM BOG-LET 7x weekly.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 22):
IF CM wants to fly to MID, the Yucatan Gov't will make it happen

I don't think any tag-on called BZE-MID would be within the interests of Copa Airlines.
If the Panamanian airline might fly some day in Belize City, it would operate in a similar pattern like CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 21):
CM would ask for TLC

Copa Airlines looks like well positioned at CM PTY-MIA 33x [December 10 - January 26], CM PTY-MEX 28x weekly and CM PTY-GRU 28x weekly.
I'm not sure if they would fly in alternative airports later such as Ft. Lauderdale, Toluca and Campinas respectively.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 31, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12362 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):
United. Washington Dulles - Guatemala City
UA 1606.....IAD 09:00.......GUA 11:33.......Sa.......738
UA 1658.....GUA 12:40.....IAD 19:26.........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

Another Saturday only flight... well better than nothing, right?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12355 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 31):
Another Saturday only flight... well better than nothing, right?

UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly is hitting stronger than UA IAD-GUA 1x weekly and UA IAD-SJO 1x weekly, in terms of their weekly frequencies. TA SAL-IAD usually operates more than 2x daily flights.
The interesting question consists to determine if UA would fly to Panama City, in spite of CM PTY-IAD 14x weekly.
The former UA operated the SJO-ORD segment almost ten years ago.

Regards.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12344 times:
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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):

I'm based at IAD. You can see the IAD-SAL United banners everywhere around the airport. UA wants a piece of this market


User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12329 times:

I think it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.


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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 35, posted (1 year 8 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12284 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 33):
the IAD-SAL United banners everywhere around the airport. UA wants a piece of this market

The former UA was code-sharing with TA SAL-IAD for years, but it seems that the schedule and frequencies never satisfied completely to the airline, given the incursion of UA SAL-IAD 7x weekly with its own metal since December 19th.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (1 year 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12107 times:

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
I think it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.

could the 73G make this? I think it would have to be a 752

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
The former UA was code-sharing with TA SAL-IAD for years, but it seems that the schedule and frequencies never satisfied completely to the airline, given the incursion of UA SAL-IAD 7x weekly with its own metal since December 19th.

Expect to see lots more IAD stuff over the next 18 months....IAD-SAP/BZE/MGA are all in the cards



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11839 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 30):
Perhaps any tag-on for the existing CM BOG-LET 7x weekly.

How about CM/P5 MAO-LET-IQT?

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
I think it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.

That wouldn't work for CM hub. CM's hub 1st departures are around 0715, however a SFO-PTY 0600 arrival may suit CM, albeit with limited connections.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 36):
could the 73G make this? I think it would have to be a 752

It could.
If CM is forced to order B737-900ER in order to add capacity to destinations where CM can't add frequencies, then 2B737-800 would be the same as 1 B737-900ER and 1 B737-700.
A B737-700 with Sky interior would be ideal for a PTY-SFO non-stop, but surely if CM wants to fly B737-700 to SFO better have that aircraft with a configuration carrying less passengers than their standard B737-700.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11709 times:

PTY expected to break 6million passenger mark before years end from www.prensa.com in Spanish
Until October 5.7 million passengers used PTY, a one million increase for same 10 month period 2011.
6.8 million passengers are expected to use PTY 2013, a figure which could double when the new terminal would be ready.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11537 times:

Air Transat is operating these season some unusual charter flights routed as Panama City - Liberia - Edmonton.




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Quoting SHAQ (Reply 34):
it would be perfect for UA if they fly SFO-PTY-SFO overnighting at PTY and leaving at 6AM to arrive in the morning bank. A schedule like that would enable a lot of Asians connections from PTY.
CM PTY-LAX is already operating up to 3x daily flights some days where immediate connections heading to Asia through selected Star Alliance members are now possible.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 36):
IAD stuff over the next 18 months....IAD-SAP/BZE/MGA are all in the cards


Notice that these stations have very limited or non-existing weekly frequencies out of EWR.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 37):
How about CM/P5 MAO-LET-IQT?


I expect this flight would be originated either at BOG or PTY.
I'm not convinced if this pattern really fits into their schedule allocations.




Special message: Happy 2013 to all the posters and followers from the Cent Am aviation series !

[Edited 2013-01-01 18:22:56]


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11411 times:

Did Easy Sky have another accident? I am told that they ceased operations and that CMairlines is assuming their routes and pax

Wait, I just found the story....apparently they did....

http://avherald.com/h?article=45b73654

[Edited 2013-01-02 16:42:58]


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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11281 times:

Here's the summary of the main topics related to the Central American aviation landscape throughout the 2012.
Sorry for the delay due to New Year's day celebrations !         


January 01: TA LIM-CUZ-PEM 7x weekly New flight
January 02: TA CUZ-AQP 3x weekly. New flight
February 29: AeroPerlas stopped their operations
March 03: PM BZE-RTB. New flight
March 12: PM BZE-SAP. New flight
April 16: AM MEX-SAL: 7x weekly 73G New flight
May 31: KX GCM-PTY 2x weekly 733 New flight. Seasonal
June 01: TA/LR SJO-BOG-BSB. New flight
June 02: TA SJO-MTY 3x weekly. New flight
June 02: TA LIM-BSB 3x weekly. E90. Discontinued
June 10: CM PTY-CUR 3x weekly E90 + 1x weekly. 73G New flight
June 17: TA SAL-ORD 2x weekly. Discontinued
June 21: AV/TA + CM entered into Star Alliance
June 21: 4O SJO-MEX 7x weekly. New flight
June 23: CM PTY-REC 4x weekly. 73G New flight
June 24: CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly. E90 New flight
June 27: CM PTY-LAS 5x weekly. 738 New flight
June 29: TAG from Guatemala may acquire Saab or CRJ-200
July 07: AM CUN-SJO 7x weekly. New flight
July 11: BV FCO-HAV-MGA-FCO 1x weekly. 763. New flight.
July 13: TA won the Skytrax. 4th consecutive year. Best airline Cent Am/Caribbean.
July 20: CM may order the 737 MAX version. First plane: 2017
July 14: CM PTY-IQT 2x weekly. E90. New flight
August 24: TA LIM-MDE 3x weekly + TA LIM-CLO 3x weekly. Non-stop service
September 17: 9V BLA-PTY 2x weekly. New flight
October 28: KL AMS-PTY 5x 77W + 2x772. No more MD-11s
October 29: WS YYZ-LIR 2x weekly. 738 New flight
November 17: AA MIA-RTB 1x weekly. 738 New flight
December 19: UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly. New flight


Highlights:

CM added more than 7x weekly frequencies at UIO, GYE, CUN, PUJ, MDE, JFK, CTG, SJU, SCL, MIA, LIM, IAD, SJO and GRU.
TA announced the integration into AV mainline as soon as the first half of 2013.
The following stations received new airlines in 2012: SAL - PTY - SJO - RTB - LIR - MGA
The following stations operated new destinations in 2012: BZE - SAP - PTY - SJO - LIR - MGA - RTB.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11243 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 41):
March 03: PM BZE-RTB. New flight

Never started, but will this year along with CUN



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11092 times:

Seems like CM will be starting PTY-BOS.

Is it me or those this seem like a way to discourage B6 from Starting PTY.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11075 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Is it me or those this seem like a way to discourage B6 from Starting PTY.

As long as it gives GUA more possibilities with B6, they should start right away hehehe.

Seriously, it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11060 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 44):
As long as it gives GUA more possibilities with B6, they should start right away hehehe.

Seriously, it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.

Im with you on both statements!



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11015 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Seems like CM will be starting PTY-BOS.

That's on JUL10 according to sources.

Quoting aer (Reply 44):
Seriously, it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.

I'd not underestimate PTY (hub) - BOS.
I'd have liked a different schedule not those 14 hours between PTY-BOS and BOS-PTY in BOS tarmac but CM may be able to offer Star Alliance connections @ BOS then.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10996 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
Seems like CM will be starting PTY-BOS.

CM 718..........PTY 11:46............BOS 18:16..........Daily...........73G
CM 719..........BOS 09:54............PTY 14:28..........Daily...........73G
Effective: July 10th

Source: amadeus.net




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 43):
this seem like a way to discourage B6 from Starting PTY.

I've never thought B6 BOS-PTY as a viable possibility for the airline as they're getting a very limited schedule in Central America. Furthermore, B6 JFK-LIR will be discontinued in June.




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Quoting aer (Reply 44):
it's a great addition, but I'm a bit skeptical on market size.

The hypothetical B6 BOS-PTY may work totally different compared to CM PTY-BOS. Copa Airlines has so far the advantage.
CM has indeed demonstrated a great potential for their US routes. For instance, CM PTY-LAS was rapidly upgraded in terms of weekly frequencies prior to its first flight.
My perception is that all the US flights operated for CM are practically packed. This could be confirmed analyzing how CM PTY-MIA goes from 33x to 35x weekly on June 17th, CM PTY-LAX goes from 19x to 21x weekly on July 09th and CM PTY-MCO goes from 21x to 28x weekly on July 02nd. These flights are mostly loaded with passengers from Central and South America and the coming CM PTY-BOS 7x weekly may follow a similar behavior.

Regards.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10953 times:

This is a nice surprise for me however it seems to be a well though move (as all of the CM moves)   

any idea on how ORD and YYZ loads are doing ?

thanks



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10901 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 48):
any idea on how ORD and YYZ loads are doing ?

I'd guess CM is wishing the bilateral didn't restrict CM to 4 weekly scheduled frequencies to Canada.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 10817 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 48):
any idea on how ORD and YYZ loads are doing ?

Copa Airlines in Chicago.

Filter period........Seats..........Passengers..........Occupancy
.April 2012..........7440.................4834....................65%
.May 2012..........7688.................4767.....................62%
.June 2012.........8650.................6159.....................71%

Source: US DoT.

My former hypothesis is not totally valid...  



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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 47):
My perception is that all the US flights operated for CM are practically packed

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10742 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 50):
Copa Airlines in Chicago.

Filter period........Seats..........Passengers..........Occupancy
.April 2012..........7440.................4834....................65%
.May 2012..........7688.................4767.....................62%
.June 2012.........8650.................6159.....................71%

PTY-ORD-PTY is more ORD O/D than connections with UA flights.
Pretty sure if CM schedules would allow more connecting possibilities @ ORD loads would look a bit different.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10719 times:

Mini trip repoooooort, mini trip repoooort!!!!

Right guys this will be a quick one!

First time flying TA bussiness class! I had to book C cause the system didn't let me book Y, and there were seats avaiable, strange, but anyways!

LR 671 SAL SJO on 04 JAN

I was in SAL to celebrate my birthday, I like to visit different countries, back to aviation topic: only ticketed pax can enter the airport, this is because the people are panicked by the MARAS (gangs) so they fear everything that moves! Quite annoying because we from Brazil are "quite" used to face death at anytime! (my uncle was shot dead on the atm a few years ago).

I was second in line but it took foreeeeevvveeeerrrrr, and that because I did webcheck-in!

Airport OK, as a hub to TA I though I was going to see them taking over everything, but all you can notice from them is their ground staff and the flights announcements...

When you fly TA departure tax is already included on the price, which is less one hassle to deal with.

X-ray staff don't assist you at all, they only send you back to remove or discart anything that is either illegal or whatever, didn't have problems with them cause I travel liquids free on carry on!

Flight on time meals tasty, crew made weird face cause I asked for cold milk!




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Reply 53, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10666 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 52):
Mini trip repoooooort, mini trip repoooort!!!!

Cant wait for your Tropic Trip report.....



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 10627 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 51):
Pretty sure if CM schedules would allow more connecting possibilities @ ORD loads would look a bit different.

CM PTY-ORD 7x weekly began in December 2011 and their services are not plenty consolidated at this time.
This could be only the first step for their flights in Chicago depending on the demand of passengers, of course. I mean: the airline might rise their weekly frequencies in the future as they did it in Miami, Orlando, Los Angeles and New York City.




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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 52):
When you fly TA departure tax is already included on the price

This is not valid for your departing flight out of SJO as you must pay the US 28 at the airport.

Regards.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 55, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10534 times:

The dedicated TA/LR SJO-MDE non-stop service is no longer available since TA SAL-MDE 4x weekly started on January 02nd.
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 7x weekly commenced in the same date.

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10525 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 55):
TA/LR SJO-PTY-MDE 7x weekly commenced in the same date.

If I'm not mistaken last time AV flew MDE-PTY it was thru SAM w/BOG-MDE-PTY-ADZ route.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 10341 times:

A couple of days ago I was checking availability to connect TA PTY-SJO with US SJO-PHX and it seems US PHX-SJO-PHX isn't timed to make immediate connections to/from AV(TA) or CM.
Being US, AV/TA and CM in the same Alliance, one could expect that to happen by now.
On the same US subject, rumour is that it's UA who doesn't like the idea of PHX/PHL/CLT-PTY to connect with CM hubs banks.
Too bad US dropped its international FLL operations, now a days FLL-PTY-FLL between CM code-share and Mileage Plus could have made the route work.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10294 times:

having to fly via MIA to get to CTG in Feb. Arrrrrrr!

I guess the good news is that I get to fly the AV babybus!



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10217 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 57):
availability to connect TA PTY-SJO with US SJO-PHX and it seems US PHX-SJO-PHX isn't timed to make immediate connections to/from AV(TA) or CM.

The former code-share agreement called TA-UA as well as the current US-TA are mostly oriented for connections originated at airports placed in the United States.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-01-14 19:18:07]


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 10051 times:

CM passenger movement grew 24% in DEC2012 from www.prensa.com in Spanish
In a release to its stock-holders, CM announced that compared to DEC2011, passenger traffic increased 24% together with a capacity increase of 23%.
Every month for the last year CM increased the number of passengers flown by 20%.
CM estimated it'd fly 10million passengers last year, 2million more than 2011.
CM currently flies to 64 destinations in 29 countries and according to the piece of news in La Prensa, it's studying the feasibility to fly to at least 30 more destinations over the next few years.

30 new CM destinations (!) in the Western Hemisphere alone, IMHO, it may be possible. Problem is that lately CM isn't adding a sizable number of new destinations to its network as often as it should.
Among those new 30, who knows if CM is also counting new Colombian domestic service out of BOG or another Colombian airport.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9952 times:

TA/LR SJO-SDQ is no longer in service whereas TA/LR SJO-HAV is barely operating as 3x weekly.
Poor management for their Caribbean routes out of SJO.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 60):
CM isn't adding a sizable number of new destinations to its network as often as it should.


2011: BSB - POA - NAS - YYZ - ASU - ORD - MTY - MBJ - CUC [Copa Airlines Colombia].
2012: CUR - REC - LIR - LAS - IQT
2013: BOS

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 61):
2011: BSB - POA - NAS - YYZ - ASU - ORD - MTY - MBJ - CUC [Copa Airlines Colombia].
2012: CUR - REC - LIR - LAS - IQT
2013: BOS

IIRC, there was a thread some months ago in which someone posted a link to an article in which CM said REC, LIR, IQT were not doing so well and so they would focus on building frequencies on existing routes for awhile.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9863 times:

Mini trip repoooooorrrrt!

Okay, now the second TA leg! SJO PTY, as sjotolir said, tax not included which is a hassle, Costa Rica charge foreigners entryfee on the tickets but not on the outbound, must be those "job makers" type of thing! you must line for the fee and then line for the bag drop etc...

TA flight just normal, found them professional!

the other flight I had with Air Panama from PAC to CZJ  

Air panama co-pilot really young, probably on his 21ish but I'd tell he was 17! that made the "gringos" a little bit scared on the flight LOL!

San Blas islands are incredible, I'd recommend to anyone, go before it gets too commercial, the "gringos" are giving money for ANYTHING to the kuna indians, so now even if you ask a question they already expect any sort of "gift".



User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 64, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9825 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 62):
IIRC, there was a thread some months ago in which someone posted a link to an article in which CM said REC, LIR, IQT were not doing so well and so they would focus on building frequencies on existing routes for awhile.

I'm going to think that CM knew what they were getting into w/LIR and IQT.

REC yields may have been a disappointment but I could foresee the route picking-up. If not, sure CM could add FOR to the return flight so to cover both REC and FOR with the same frequency and see how it performs, as my dream of an African tag-on to PTY-REC may be too much of an out-of-the-box thinking for both CM and Brazil.

LIR is a North-American centric leisure destination, getting other Latin Americans to holiday there isn't an easy job, IMHO it may work better as a short stop en-route to GUA twice/thrice weekly as some Gringos in Guanacaste region may find attractive to visit GUA without having to fly out of SJO (or MGA). I do expect CM to experience another LIR if it decides to try PVR (more than twice weekly).

IQT looks like a concession CM had to give Perú to get an extra LIM daily flight. CM still have a long way to go when it comes to promote how accessible IQT is thru its hub and get some major tour-operator to fly their customers to the Amazon via PTY rather than via LIM. I believe CM sooner or later will ask Perú for PTY-AQP so to get OK for yet another daily PTY-LIM.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9789 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 64):
LIR is a North-American centric leisure destination, getting other Latin Americans to holiday there isn't an easy job, IMHO it may work better as a short stop en-route to GUA twice/thrice weekly as some Gringos in Guanacaste region may find attractive to visit GUA without having to fly out of SJO (or MGA). I do expect CM to experience another LIR if it decides to try PVR (more than twice weekly).

The reason why LIR does not work for Lat Americans is you cannot market rainforest to people that have rainforest in their back yards.....how can you market Guanacaste to Brazilians for example when they have the Amazon.

Now you could market Maya sites or Barrier Reef to the Brazilians.

And that is why CM should have chosen BZE instead of LIR      



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9722 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 65):
Now you could market Maya sites or Barrier Reef to the Brazilians.

And that is why CM should have chosen BZE instead of LIR

I Totally agree!
Question remains, what is CM going to do w/LIR not to drop the destination and make lots of people in Costa Rica quite upset as they'd probably still believe LIR might be sold quite well in South America?



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 62):
CM said REC, LIR, IQT were not doing so well and so they would focus on building frequencies on existing routes for awhile.


CM PTY-REC: Inaugurated on June 23rd 2012.
CM PTY-LIR: Inaugurated on June 24th 2012.
CM PTY-IQT: Inaugurated on July 14th 2012.

More than five years backward, CM PTY-PAP and CM PTY-KIN were poorly served with no more than two weekly frequencies.
The airline never dropped their services and these flights are still operating as 4x weekly.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 64):
CM could add FOR to the return flight so to cover both REC and FOR


If I remember correctly, CM gets the traffic rights to operate SSA over FOR.
The airline should be cautious it they would open a new Brazilian destination in its north-eastern bound. It would depend based on the results of the questioned CM PTY-REC.
Perhaps the 2014 FIFA World Cup might rise the demand of passengers on CM PTY-REC.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 65):
And that is why CM should have chosen BZE instead of LIR


I will debate this comment, of course...
CM PTY-LIR is even getting their stagnant 2x weekly frequencies. This route just began in June 2012 which means few months, in order to consolidate that market.
What is the argument related to the chosen of any CM PTY-BZE over the existing CM PTY-LIR? The fictitious CM PTY-BZE most likely has a little catchment area from South America as well.
As a matter of fact, CM PTY-TGU is actually loaded with a few percentage of passengers coming from South America.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 65):
The reason why LIR does not work for Lat Americans is you cannot market rainforest to people that have rainforest in their back yards.....how can you market Guanacaste to Brazilians for example when they have the Amazon.


Brazilians are most likely loading other flights oriented to the leisure market such as CM PTY-MCO, CM PTY-LAS, CM PTY-PUJ, CM PTY-CUN, CM PTY-SXM and so forth.
The former hypothesis could have been something like that: if Punta Cana, Santo Domingo, St. Maarten and Havana are working well for the Brazilians flying on Copa Airlines; why cannot CM PTY-LIR do it right as well?

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 67):
More than five years backward, CM PTY-PAP and CM PTY-KIN were poorly served with no more than two weekly frequencies.
The airline never dropped their services and these flights are still operating as 4x weekly.

Yes, but those were "legacy" routes with a very high yield......esp PAP. LIR is not high yielding.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 67):
Punta Cana, Santo Domingo, St. Maarten and Havana are working well for the Brazilians flying on Copa Airlines; why cannot CM PTY-LIR do it right as well?

Have you seen the beach at LIR
 

No offence but it is harldy SXM



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9597 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 67):
More than five years backward, CM PTY-PAP and CM PTY-KIN were poorly served with no more than two weekly frequencies.

Years ago, PAP and KIN were flown almost only because of O/D traffic, perhaps thrice weekly would have been better than twice weekly, but those conditions are history now.
Most point out that CM flew to MBJ then too, later dropping it until recently re-starting the destination.
At that time, even adding MBJ to the KIN route made PTY-Jamaica not worth flown 5 times per week.

Quote:
why cannot CM PTY-LIR do it right as well?

IMHO, for a Brazilian, Costa Rica Guanacaste province may look like some kind of mix of the coast of Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro or Espíritu Santo states with the country flavour of Minas Gerais or Goias state.
It doesn't have Caribbean written all over.
If Costa Rica is so desperate to get CM to fly South American tourist to LIR; What's the problem the Tico Government suggesting CM to stop one of its dailies PTY-GUA 2-3 times per week in LIR instead of the current schedule, as It really looks like LIR alone can't support dedicated flights to CM hub right now?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 70, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9530 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 69):
If Costa Rica is so desperate to get CM to fly South American tourist to LIR; What's the problem the Tico Government suggesting CM to stop one of its dailies PTY-GUA 2-3 times per week in LIR instead of the current schedule, as It really looks like LIR alone can't support dedicated flights to CM hub right now?

IMHO....you even see some of the N. American carriers pulling back a little in LIR. Demand has to catch up to the airlift which seems to have gotten a bit ahead of itself.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 71, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9455 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 68):
Have you seen the beach at LIR


No offence but it is hardly SXM


No worries.   I got the point.
LIR as well as any other leisure station in Central America is not popular for South Americans and this fact is being reflected on the poor performance of CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly.
I repeat: this route has only seven months in service. Same with CM PTY-REC.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 69):
for a Brazilian, Costa Rica Guanacaste province may look like some kind of mix of the coast of Sao Paulo, Rio de Janeiro or Espíritu Santo states with the country flavour of Minas Gerais or Goias state.


Liberia is not competitive for them over other leisure stations attended by Copa Airlines: SXM, MBJ, PUJ, CUN and so on...




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 69):
If Costa Rica is so desperate to get CM to fly South American tourist to LIR; What's the problem the Tico Government suggesting CM to stop one of its dailies PTY-GUA 2-3 times per week in LIR instead of the current schedule, as It really looks like LIR alone can't support dedicated flights to CM hub right now?


The problem at this time is for Copa Airlines, not for the Costa Rican Government.
CM is operating tag-on segments in Central America: PTY-SJO-SAP, PTY-SJO-TGU, PTY-SJO-GUA, PTY-SJO-MGA and PTY-MGA-GUA. Thus, the airline is also attending the inner Central American traffic: VFR and the business component basically.
LIR is essentially tourism coming from Canada and the USA. I don't visualize possibilities for any CM PTY-LIR-GUA, CM PTY-LIR-MGA or so.
Having said that, I don't think Roatan is within the expansion plans of the Panamanian airline.

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 71):
I don't visualize possibilities for any CM PTY-LIR-GUA, CM PTY-LIR-MGA or so.

I don't agree when it comes to PTY-LIR-GUA, why? Some of those North Americans in Guanacaste may find attractive to combine their holidays (or stays if they've relocated there) with a Guatemalan experience (Mayan and Colonial), something not found in Costa Rica.
Also any connecting traffic CM could get to/from Star Alliance UA and TA/AV @ GUA may be welcome.
Surely CM can get 30 passengers from/to its hub to LIR per flight and between GUA and LIR may be able to provide other 30 for the LIR-GUA and GUA-LIR segment. However I'd only expect a thrice weekly frequency on that odd route to do fine, no more, at least this year, or next.

Quote:
Having said that, I don't think Roatán is within the expansion plans of the Panamanian airline.

I agree. Definitely not in the near future.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 72):
I don't agree when it comes to PTY-LIR-GUA, why?


Few demand of passengers, even for the E90.
They can already fly TA GUA-SAL and then TACA REGIONAL [SAL-LIR]. This last flight is being operated with ATR-42 and their frequencies have not been increased lately.
On the other hand, I believe on CM PTY-GUA-BZE.

Regards.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 74, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9402 times:

For some reason this is sounding like we're coming back to the hypothetical CM GUA mini hub. hehe


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 75, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 9217 times:

JetBlue will start Ft. Lauderdale - San Jose service in June.

Dedicated thread: JetBlue Announces FLL-SJO (by mah4546 Jan 16 2013 in Civil Aviation)




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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 73):
They can already fly TA GUA-SAL and then TACA REGIONAL [SAL-LIR]. This last flight is being operated with ATR-42 and their frequencies have not been increased lately


One more point: there's no flights between Cancun and Liberia trying to combine leisure travelers in both destinations.




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Based on "Reporte estadístico aeroportuario. Aeropuerto Internacional Tocumen 2011", this was the flow of passengers in Central America, including transit and the O&D component out of PTY.

1. San Jose 336 709. CM and TA included
2. Guatemala City 138 382. CM solely
3. San Salvador 104 638. CM and TA included
4. Managua 72 203, CM solely
5. Tegucigalpa 23 316 CM included
6. San Pedro Sula. No information due to low demand.
7. Liberia. CM PTY-LIR started in 2012.

The numbers don't include CM MGA-GUA, CM SJO-TGU, CM SJO-SAP, CM SJO-GUA, CM SJO-MGA.
We have to wait several months prior to get accurate information about CM PTY-LIR.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-01-20 06:50:37]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9057 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 75):
One more point: there's no flights between Cancun and Liberia trying to combine leisure travelers in both destinations.

I really doubt that CUN-LIR would be successful

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 75):
6. San Pedro Sula. No information due to low demand.

I don't understand this. I always thought that TGU-PTY was doing worse than SAP-PTY



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 9043 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 76):
I don't understand this. I always thought that TGU-PTY was doing worse than SAP-PTY

Where are those E170/175 when CM really need them for those routes not able to support E190 as CM wanted?
I'm not sure if it's that same case in Ecuador, where PTY-UIO may perform better than PTY-GYE.
I just imagine what'd happen with PTY-VVI whenever CM starts LPB.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 78, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 9031 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 77):
Where are those E170/175 when CM really need them for those routes not able to support E190 as CM wanted?

I have flown PTY-SAP three times...plane was pretty full all times. A colleague of mine in travelling the route next week, only could get business class...

I know the above is anecdotal, but it can't be doing that badly.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 79, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 76):
I really doubt that CUN-LIR would be successful


Agreed. Same with GUA-LIR-PTY.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 78):
I have flown PTY-SAP three times...plane was pretty full all times. A colleague of mine in travelling the route next week, only could get business class


Perhaps a huge percentage of the plane is rather loaded with passengers traveling the SAP-SJO segment whose numbers were not taking into account in quote 75.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 79):
Perhaps a huge percentage of the plane is rather loaded with passengers traveling the SAP-SJO segment whose numbers were not taking into account in quote 75.

Actually the time I have flown it I would 25% got off in SJO



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 81, posted (1 year 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

Copa Airlines consolidates their services in Punta Cana, Dominican Republic as their frequencies will rise from 21x to 25x weekly from June 18th.
As a result, CM PTY-PUJ is ranked as the third Caribbean destination, in terms of their weekly frequencies in such region.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 80):
the time I have flown it I would 25% got off in SJO
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 76):
I always thought that TGU-PTY was doing worse than SAP-PTY


Tegucigalpa: CM PTY-TGU 7x + CM PTY-SJO-TGU 7x
San Pedro Sula: CM PTY-SAP 5x + CM PTY-SJO-SAP 7x

Based on their weekly frequencies as well as the figures posted in reply 75, I have no doubts about a better performance in Tegucigalpa than San Pedro Sula.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 78):
it can't be doing that badly.
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 80):
the time I have flown it I would 25% got off in SJO



It's strange how the Panamanian aviation authorities categorized the amount of travelers to/from SAP as they didn't display any valid number for San Pedro Sula, in spite of their 12x weekly flights.
We cannot compare this magnitude with the extremely low CM PTY-LIR 2x weekly.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 82, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8670 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 68):
Have you seen the beach at LIR

Which one? There are well over seventy of them accesible from Liberia.. rent a 4x4 at the airport and off you go.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 68):
it is harldy SXM

I would agree.. Sint Maarten/Saint Martin = 37 beaches on 70 kilometers of coastline.. Guanacaste province = 70+ different beaches on 300+ kilometers of coastline.

You oughta check out the Bahía Salinas area some day.. esp. El Jobo beach and then get back to me.  

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 75):
JetBlue will start Ft. Lauderdale - San Jos

Cool.. have you heard anything about once–weekly UA IAD/ORDSJO nonstops sometime in April?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

So here is a prediction guys........AV will make the "we will leave *A" announcement within the next 12 months.

IMHO Richard Anderson is working hard to end the AV CM shotgun marriage.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 83):
So here is a prediction guys........AV will make the "we will leave *A" announcement within the next 12 months.

How come? Would it be a either they go or I go situation?



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 83):
So here is a prediction guys........AV will make the "we will leave *A" announcement within the next 12 months.

IMHO Richard Anderson is working hard to end the AV CM shotgun marriage.

In other words, lets guess AV is to join Sky Team soon as Sky is desperate for a South American based partner in South America.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 86, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8559 times:

CM BOS News from Boston Globe today in English


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 87, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8554 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 86):
CM BOS News from Boston Globe today in English

So CM will be targeting S. America bound pax.....apart from those going to Colombia...most americans I know would rather connect in a US city (wherever that is) vs another country.

CM will get a few, but if they are counting on that the route won't succeed.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 88, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

So check this out guys.....

Sounds like B6 wants in in GUA and PTY among others....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-america-and-the-caribbean-381426/



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User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 882 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 87):
most americans I know would rather connect in a US city (wherever that is) vs another country.

Going South America-PTY-BOS is a lot less stressful than South America-MIA-BOS.

Would you rather have to claim your baggage once or twice on your journey home?


User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 90, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 82):
have you heard anything about once%u2013weekly UA IAD/ORD%u2013SJO nonstops sometime in April?



United. Washington Dulles - Guatemala City
UA 1606.....IAD 09:00.......GUA 11:33.......Sa.......738
UA 1658.....GUA 12:40.....IAD 19:26.........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

United. Washington Dulles - San Jose
UA 1180.....IAD 09:00.......SJO 11:46.......Sa.......738
UA 1623.....SJO 13:25......IAD 20:10........Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

United. Chicago O'Hare - San Jose
UA 1187.....ORD 08:15.......SJO 12:21.......Sa.......738
UA 1651.....SJO 13:01........ORD 19:24......Sa.......738
Effective: April 13th

UA IAD-SAL 7x weekly with 738 has just begun on December 19th 2012.
Liberia is currently served from IAH, EWR and ORD on UA. It's the only regional airport experiencing three routes on UA.
San Jose will soon operate four destinations on UA: IAH, EWR, IAD and ORD.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 83):
AV will make the "we will leave *A" announcement within the next 12 months.


It's not the first time I've read the same statement, my friend.




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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 89):

Going South America-PTY-BOS is a lot less stressful than South America-MIA-BOS.


Connections through PTY don't involve the baggage claim for in-transit passengers.




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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 75):
JetBlue will start Ft. Lauderdale - San Jose service in June


Speaking about JetBlue in Central America, the new focus city placed in San Juan, Puerto Rico hasn't touched yet any regional station as it was supposed before. I'm not sure about how SJU on B6 might work for Central America.
B6 FLL-SJO 7x weekly and B6 FLL-MDE 7x weekly are part of the realistic expansion of the airline in Latin America mainland.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 7 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8457 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 90):
Speaking about JetBlue in Central America, the new focus city placed in San Juan, Puerto Rico hasn't touched yet any regional station as it was supposed before. I'm not sure about how SJU on B6 might work for Central America.
B6 FLL-SJO 7x weekly and B6 FLL-MDE 7x weekly are part of the realistic expansion of the airline in Latin America mainland.

Base on the link in an earlier post I would say FLL/JFK-GUA/PTY are definitely in the cards.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8354 times:

from today's Prensa :
http://www.prensa.com/impreso/economia/copa-creceria-14/152508

CM will grow 14% by adding 5 new destinations , new frequencies to Brazil, Dominican Rep and US. Additionally based on the chart included on the note, CM will receive 7 new 738 and retire 2 "old" 737 , proyecting 90 airplanes by the end of the year. Note that the numbers on the table does not add up for 2012.  



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 92):
CM will receive 7 new 738 and retire 2 "old" 737

Maybe CM planning department calls for the retirement of 2 "old" B737 (I presume -700) but anyhow CM has such a tight fleet use that probably it's time they keep a B737 on hold @ PTY for any inconvenience. The other one CM could well turn it into a freighter and fly it PTY-MIA-BOG daily.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 94, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 8335 times:

From the attached press release:

"El 51.1% de los aviones que utiliza Copa son del fabricante estadounidense Boeing y el resto de la empresa brasileña Embraer.

E90: 26 aircrafts
73G: 18 aircrafts
738: 46 aircrafts

The 68% of their planes in 2013 have been manufactured by Boeing whereas the remaining aircrafts by Embraer.
CM tends to acquire the 738 over the 73G and the E90. I envisage the nice "Sky Interior" as the predominant version lately. No more 73Gs and E90s this decade !

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 95, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 94):
CM tends to acquire the 738 over the 73G and the E90. I envisage the nice "Sky Interior" as the predominant version lately. No more 73Gs and E90s this decade

Sooner or later CM will be facing the serious dilemma of how to increase seat capacity to frequency restricted destinations... I could only guess that CM may even order a couple of B737-900ER to fly to those and if CM wants to fly non-stop to SFO 1-2 B737-700 with Sky Interior will be ordered too.
As for the E190, not sure how CM will act, maybe CM will order some (E190/175) as a token to their wide access to Brazilian airports.
While E190 has allow CM to start thin routes before those were hub material, IMHO, B737-600 would have been much easier aircraft to integrate to its fleet.
For the fares they get away in charging, sure CM could have worked out how to fly that questionable CASM aircraft without losing money.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

Well 5 new destinations....once again I would like to put my pitch in for my home base   

Having to go thru MIA to get to S. America from BZE is just ridiculous.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (1 year 7 months 4 days ago) and read 8259 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 96):
Well 5 new destinations....once again I would like to put my pitch in for my home base

Here is my guess for most possible new destinations:
BOS (well this one is already announced)
BZE
TPA
SSA
AQP

Others possible:
DAV (return to CM network)
SCU
SMR (flight from PTY)
CWB
GEO
BGI
GCM

Bear in mind that CM is getting ready for FIFA World Cup Brazil 2014 and pretty sure would like to cover as many Brazilian host cities as they're allowed.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8209 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 97):
Here is my guess for most possible new destinations:
BOS (well this one is already announced)
BZE
TPA
SSA
AQP

Here are my guesses....
TPA
MSY
BZE
BGI (I say this based on the success of POS and BGI is pushing hard there).

A surprise may be CLT



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8162 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 95):
I could only guess that CM may even order a couple of B737-900ER

100% agree !!! CCS and MEX will be at the top  
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 98):
Here are my guesses....
TPA
MSY
BZE
BGI

good choices !! I will add PMV (to get further CCS frequencies) and SFO   



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User currently offlinepoint2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 2757 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 98):
Here are my guesses....
TPA
MSY
BZE
BGI (I say this based on the success of POS and BGI is pushing hard there).

A surprise may be CLT

Maybe we can add DEN to the list...... you never know, and a few years ago the airport management at DEN stated they were in talks with CM to PTY, and it does take a while for carriers and their birds to materialize at DEN with actual flights, but it does happen...... and I guess it could be considered a hub to hub route......

 


User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 101, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8114 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 98):
Here are my guesses....
TPA
MSY
BZE
BGI (I say this based on the success of POS and BGI is pushing hard there).

A surprise may be CLT

If CM is going to send any surplus MCO traffic to TPA to fill the PTY hub - TPA O/D, TPA could perform well.
MSY is desperate for a link with Latin America, but if it was based solely on O/D it'd rather be SAP.
BZE IMHO, a question of time..
BGI If CM can't get someone in South America to block a sizable amount of seats on each flight, I'd guess CM may rather choose GEO over BGI, however I'd like to see both as CM destinations this year.
CLT sounds interesting if US Airways doesn't want to fly to PTY. I bet the O/D Latin America traffic @ RDU is bigger than CLT. As for CM in ATL.. perhaps yes, perhaps no..

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 99):
100% agree !!! CCS and MEX will be at the top

Don't agree, YYZ and EZE will be at the top.
Something still could be done for CCS via MDE and BOG. MAR might get flight from BOG.
As for MEX, I don't see Mexico allowing any more CM flights into MEX anytime soon and I'm not sure if Mexico will allow CM to move some of the allocated frequencies to PVR and SJC to TLC as an option to increase frequencies to Mexico City.

Quote:
I will add PMV (to get further CCS frequencies)

I've the opinion that Venezuela won't allow CM more PTY-CCS/MAR frequencies (at least this year), if CM wants to play the flights to PMV card, what it probably would get could be a couple of frequencies to PZO and probably BRM too.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 102, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8136 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):

Don't forget msy is a big shipping town so a link with pty could work.
Maybe pty-sap-msy



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8135 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 102):
Don't forget msy is a big shipping town so a link with pty could work.
Maybe pty-sap-msy

The only one-stop CM service to the U.S.A. I can imagine would be PTY-XXX-SEA (XXX most likely GUA) as PTY-XXX-SFO may not be a product CM want on its routes and PTY-XXX-PDX may not have the PDX O/D needed, specially if CM was to try PTY-XXX-SEA.



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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 104, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 103):
The only one-stop CM service to the U.S.A. I can imagine would be PTY-XXX-SEA (XXX most likely GUA)

According to GCmap GUA-SEA is 2526 nm, I think that Boeing 737-700 or 737-800 airplane could be weight restricted remember GUA is at 5000 feet above sea level and has a 3km runway.

My brother works at United and tells me that the 737-800 sometimes goes weight restricted to EWR, that is not the case to IAH and that route is only 1782 nm.

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-01-26 01:00:26]


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 105, posted (1 year 7 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8081 times:

Didn't we establish some threads ago that a cm 73g would also be weight restricted on a hypothetical pty - sfo?


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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 104):
According to GCmap GUA-SEA is 2526 nm, I think that Boeing 737-700 or 737-800 airplane could be weight restricted remember GUA is at 5000 feet above sea level and has a 3km runway.

As CM is decreasing the number of B737-700 on its fleet, it's quite doubtful when CM decides to fly to SEA it'll have lots of those to fly the route via GUA. IMHO, probably the -700 may be able to take-off from GUA to SEA 2526nm non-stop, if not that's a route for a B737-600.   

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 105):
Didn't we establish some threads ago that a cm 73g would also be weight restricted on a hypothetical pty - sfo?

I believe we did, although similar distances PTY-SFO and MVD-PTY, the south-east to north-west PTY-SFO routing may encounter head-winds and possible long landing waiting times @ SFO which may jeopardise the B737-700 performance if flying with no weight restrictions.
I believe CM could get away with flying B737-700 PTY-SFO if among those B737 scheduled for delivery soon is a B737-700 w/Sky interior and a configuration with more C class seats / less Y than the other B737-700 on its fleet and that SFO bound flight departs from the CM hub bank when PTY temperature may be at its lowest.



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User currently onlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 107, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 106):
I believe we did, although similar distances PTY-SFO and MVD-PTY, the south-east to north-west PTY-SFO routing may encounter head-winds and possible long landing waiting times @ SFO which may jeopardise the B737-700 performance if flying with no weight restrictions.
I believe CM could get away with flying B737-700 PTY-SFO if among those B737 scheduled for delivery soon is a B737-700 w/Sky interior and a configuration with more C class seats / less Y than the other B737-700 on its fleet and that SFO bound flight departs from the CM hub bank when PTY temperature may be at its lowest.

Something that should be consider is that SFO airspace is a lot more congested than MVD, this could affect this operation.

Juanchito



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8008 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 107):
Something that should be consider is that SFO airspace is a lot more congested than MVD, this could affect this operation.

We agree that we're aware of that.
I could imagine the area around SJC could provide interesting Latin America O/D traffic due to Silicon valley, plus other Bay Area (San Francisco included) and SJC just got NH to NRT, but sure CM isn't the kind of airline that would fly PTY-SJC and market it as San Francisco San Jose Airport.
Look what happen with CM to BOS, CM chose to fly to BOS and it's going to left its B737 on BOS tarmac very long when instead they could have flown to PVD daytime w/quick turn-around, save some $$ and market it as flying to Boston Providence Airport. And PVD does have direct rail-link to central Boston.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 109, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 107):
Something that should be consider is that SFO airspace is a lot more congested than MVD


In terms of distance, the PTY-SFO sector is practically the same compared to the current PTY-EZE which is currently served with the modern 738 every day.
The PTY-SFO segment sounds like a smart idea for the Panamanian airline and disregarding both wind and congestion issues in the Bay area.
Both TACA and LAN have demonstrated the sustainability of their operations in San Francisco.




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Quoting yellowtail (Reply 102):
Maybe pty-sap-msy


I recognize the existence of the O&D market between San Pedro Sula and New Orleans as TACA usually deploys charter services in such route.
However, Copa Airlines doesn't operate tag-on routes besides their Central American inner routes.

Regards.

[Edited 2013-01-26 17:39:45]


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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7967 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 101):
I don't see Mexico allowing any more CM flights into MEX anytime soon

that's my point before about CM getting the 737-900 to add capacity within the same frequencies  



as per airfleets, in late 2012 CM transfered out a fairly new 738 to DD (Nok Air, S/N 29670, ex HP-1529CMP, now HS-DBF) ..I'm a bit surprise since CM trends to hold on their frames a bit longer, was this a leased unit ? any idea how many more might follow ?



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 111, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 110):
that's my point before about CM getting the 737-900 to add capacity within the same frequencies

It's very likely CM is more desperate to add seats to YYZ and EZE than to MEX.

Quote:
as per airfleets, in late 2012 CM transfered out a fairly new 738 to DD (Nok Air, S/N 29670, ex HP-1529CMP, now HS-DBF) ..I'm a bit surprise since CM trends to hold on their frames a bit longer, was this a leased unit ? any idea how many more might follow ?

Was the 1st B737-800 CM got (before Sky interior)?
If it was that one, then CM tested the configuration and didn't work well so CM chose to transfer it rather than re-configure it.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 109):
The PTY-SFO segment sounds like a smart idea for the Panamanian airline

And the like-hood CM will fly it before UA does it is quite high.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 112, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):
And the like-hood CM will fly it before UA does it is quite high.


I think so. The new expansion of United Airlines in Central America is rather aiming for flights departing out of both IAD and ORD: UA IAD-SAL, UA IAD-GUA, UA IAD-SJO and UA ORD-SJO.

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7961 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 112):
The new expansion of United Airlines in Central America is rather aiming for flights departing out of both IAD and ORD

Surprisingly there's no UA interest in flying SFO-GUA/SAL.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 113):
Surprisingly there's no UA interest in flying SFO-GUA/SAL.


The former United Airlines rather discontinued UA LAX-GUA and UA LAX-SAL some years backward.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7928 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 111):

Was the 1st B737-800 CM got (before Sky interior)?

29670 was not really the first one .. there are several older 738

from airfleets, CM got 2 different Embraer 190 "types "; 190IGW (7 units) & 190AR (7 units) , also CM Coolmbia got these models + 190LR , not sure what's the difference on use for the different types, any idea ? thanks,  



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 115):
from airfleets, CM got 2 different Embraer 190 "types "; 190IGW (7 units) & 190AR (7 units) , also CM Coolmbia got these models + 190LR , not sure what's the difference on use for the different types, any idea ? thanks
www.embraer.com.br shows that there's difference between the range of an E190AR and an E190LR, probably has to do with fuel tanks and/or weight.
What I know is that is a common complain from CM Colombia (P5) passengers that the Colombian jets don't have business class seats.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 117, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

Copa Airlines does operate their E90s in cities out of Panama City as far as Guadalajara and Manaus.
The autonomy of each plane depends on the version:

E190 IGW: 1 800 nm; standard version
E190 LR: 2 300 nm
E190 AR: 2 400 nm

The maximum takeoff weight also changes depending on the version.

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 7 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7814 times:

Range circle 2300nm out of PTY, with some CM current routes know to be flown w/E190

That's a big chunk of the western hemisphere.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 91):
Base on the link in an earlier post I would say FLL/JFK-GUA/PTY are definitely in the cards


Are you sure with this statement related to the expansion of jetBlue in Central America ?
I would say Spirit Airlines is struggling into Guatemala City and Panama City in their flights out of Ft. Lauderdale.
Let's take a look at their current frequencies: NK FLL-GUA 4x weekly, NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly.
Their fares are not exactly cheaper than the services offered by their competitors heading to Miami: American Airlines in both stations and [TACA [Guatemala City] + Copa Airlines [Panama City]].
Furthermore, the weekly frequencies on both NK FLL-GUA and NK FLL-PTY were higher in the past and it's not the best landscape for a new competitor in such routes.

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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 119):
Are you sure with this statement related to the expansion of jetBlue in Central America ?

It is not my statement it is B6s (John Checketts). He specifically mentions GUA and PTY, You can read it here.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-america-and-the-caribbean-381426/



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 7648 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 120):
it is B6s (John Checketts).


Point taken.
However, I even found strange the incursion of any B6 FLL-PTY and B6 FLL-GUA.

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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 122, posted (1 year 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 7583 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 121):
However, I even found strange the incursion of any B6 FLL-PTY and B6 FLL-GUA.

I'd think a possible CM PTY-FLL (specially if E190) would outperform any B6 FLL-PTY.



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User currently offlineSHAQ From Panama, joined Jun 2007, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7520 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 122):

Are you sure? If B6 have lower fares than CM or AA, VFR O/D will fly with them and not with CM and AA.
Premium customers will continue flying CM or AA.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7509 times:

Quoting SHAQ (Reply 123):
Are you sure? If B6 have lower fares than CM or AA, VFR O/D will fly with them and not with CM and AA.
Premium customers will continue flying CM or AA.

Premium CM customers around FLL (read Aventura) would jump at the chance of flying out of FLL to PTY and anywhere CM may connect them.
One could always dream Mileage Plus passengers would earn miles and get award flights on B6 FLL-PTY.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 125, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7378 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 122):
I'd think a possible CM PTY-FLL (specially if E190) would outperform any B6 FLL-PTY.


Agreed.
The same reason about the low possibility of the incursion of any B6 MCO-PTY, taking into account CM PTY-MCO 28x weekly from July 02nd.
I think the current environment at PTY doesn't give advantage to jetBlue.

Regards.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7293 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 125):
I think the current environment at PTY doesn't give advantage to jetBlue.

Unless B6 is to offer a product or destination not already offered by CM and best if Mileage Plus members are to earn miles on those flights.
So there still could be room for evening JFK-PTY + red-eyes PTY-JFK and/or red-eyes JFK-PTY + 0600h PTY-JFK, also evenings FLL-PTY, 0600h PTY-FLL.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7139 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 122):
I'd think a possible CM PTY-FLL (specially if E190) would outperform any B6 FLL-PTY.
Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 126):
Unless B6 is to offer a product or destination not already offered by CM and best if Mileage Plus members are to earn miles on those flights.
So there still could be room for evening JFK-PTY + red-eyes PTY-JFK and/or red-eyes JFK-PTY + 0600h PTY-JFK, also evenings FLL-PTY, 0600h PTY-FLL.

B6 would do just fine against CM



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7131 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 127):
B6 would do just fine against CM

B6 Schedule will play a big part on its success in PTY.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 129, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7083 times:

I keep on repeating: what would it be the innovation for any B6 FLL-PTY?
NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly already flies following the red-eye schedule allocation and trying to avoid CM PTY-MIA 33x weekly and AA MIA-PTY 21x weekly which are mostly operating as daylight flights.
The MIA-PTY sector is actually a bulky market; however, NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly has not demonstrated progress in their services linking Panama City and South Florida.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 129):
NK FLL-PTY 3x weekly has not demonstrated progress in their services linking Panama City and South Florida.

NK's failure /success in the market has zero bearing on any possible B6 success / failure. They draw two different kinds of clientele



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 129):
CM PTY-MIA 33x weekly and AA MIA-PTY 21x weekly which are mostly operating as daylight flights.

Looks like CM and AA might get some (token) competition on PTY-MIA. Boliviana has applied for VVI-PTY-MIA daily using 733s



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 132, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7048 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 131):
Looks like CM and AA might get some (token) competition on PTY-MIA. Boliviana has applied for VVI-PTY-MIA daily using 733s

That looks more like competition for NK FLL-PTY, specially if Boliviana is to fly the route with the same former Lloyd Aereo Boliviano schedule.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

BZE airport authority have said that they are adding 10K sq feet of departure area inside security plus an additional departure gate......this will mean a longer walk for the pax arriving on domestic flights to the check-in area for the international carriers as the domestic arrivals (for those familiar with BZE) will now move further east.

Work is to commence pretty quickly and definitely needed for any new carriers (B6, CM, WN etc) and for existing carriers who have been asking for more space (like DL and UA).



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32721 posts, RR: 72
Reply 134, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 131):
Looks like CM and AA might get some (token) competition on PTY-MIA. Boliviana has applied for VVI-PTY-MIA daily using 733s

Bolivian airlines don't have traffic rights U.S.-Panama.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 134):
Bolivian airlines don't have traffic rights U.S.-Panama.

If the only wanted the tech-stop why then don't look elsewhere, like an airport on VVI-MIA route with no Bolivia traffic?



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32721 posts, RR: 72
Reply 136, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 135):
If the only wanted the tech-stop why then don't look elsewhere, like an airport on VVI-MIA route with no Bolivia traffic?

Look at a map. It's almost exactly on the direct MIAVVI routing. BOG is the only airport on a more direct routing, but why bother with that airport's altitude/weather issues when PTY is superior.

Just doing the same as LAB and AeroSur - flying via PTY with no MIAPTY traffic rights.

[Edited 2013-02-05 16:26:15]


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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 136):
Just doing the same as LAB and AeroSur - flying via PTY with no MIAPTY traffic rights.

given the political relations between Bolivia and Venezuela I'm quite surprise they didn't stop there.. anyway, PTY will be very happy to take their money  



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 138, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 136):
Just doing the same as LAB and AeroSur - flying via PTY with no MIAPTY traffic rights.

As far as I know AeroSur never made it to PTY.

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 137):
given the political relations between Bolivia and Venezuela I'm quite surprise they didn't stop there

Boliviana has far greater chance of getting 5th freedom rights from CCS to MIA. than G3 which applied for that and didn't get it. A Conviasa code-share and voila!



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User currently offlineLAXLocal From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6740 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 133):
BZE airport authority have said that they are adding 10K sq feet of departure area inside security plus an additional departure gate......this will mean a longer walk for the pax arriving on domestic flights to the check-in area for the international carriers as the domestic arrivals (for those familiar with BZE) will now move further east.

Wouldn't that just about double the size of it?

LALocal



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 140, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

Quoting LAXLocal (Reply 139):
Wouldn't that just about double the size of it?

Currently it is 6 departure gates.



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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 141, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6635 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 138):
Boliviana has far greater chance of getting 5th freedom rights from CCS to MIA. than G3 which applied for that and didn't get it


That's why G3 opted for SDQ instead.



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User currently online2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2605 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 6608 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 141):
That's why G3 opted for SDQ instead.

And for what I read on the Caribbean tread, G# isn't doing that good.

Talking about Brazil, an American charter company, Vision Air, will be operating flights between Brazil and BLB Howard airport for holiday programmes at hotels located close to MPRH Rio Hato Airport.



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User currently offlinePlunaCRJ From Uruguay, joined Nov 2007, 574 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 137):
given the political relations between Bolivia and Venezuela I'm quite surprise they didn't stop there.. anyway, PTY will be very happy to take their money  

Once, on a Lloyd flight MIA-VVI, because of an equipment change (to a 727) we had to make an unscheduled fuel stop at CCS. I don´t know why CCS was selected that night...

Lloyd's flight to PTY continued on to CUN, at least that is how I remember it... the schedule out of PTY was truly horrible. That flight was great though to fly to deep south america before CM's expansion.

Regards,


User currently offlineLAXLocal From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6516 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 140):
Currently it is 6 departure gates.

I mean almost double the sqft , of the existing size of the international lounge.


LAXLocal



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 145, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

So I am taking bets on the first new route for 2012 announcement involving Central America.....


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User currently onlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4473 posts, RR: 4
Reply 146, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

AeroMexico by means of AeroMexico Connect is serving some Central American cities: Guatemala City, San Salvador and San Pedro Sula whilst AeroMexico mainline operates in San Jose.
CM PTY-MEX 28x weekly with 738 bears the AM designator in all their flights. The big question consists if AM mainline is willing to fly someday at PTY using their own planes?

Regards.