flybehubby From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 177 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14622 times:
I have it on good word that EI will operate VS domestic routes. EI base at LGW to be closed and all staff to be transferred to LHR to operate on behalf of VS. 4 x A319/20 with the crew in full VS uniform and a/c painted in VS colours.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 2017 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12747 times:
I knew this since time ago but when i said many people didn´t believe me, however it´s pretty surprising the freqs, 6xday to EDI??? that´s a lot.... i was expecting something like 3 or 4 to EDI and another destination like GLA to allow connexions to VS network.
BritishB747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2010, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12497 times:
Have any of the flight times been released and are they on sale? I have seen the times for the MAN services but im interested in the Edinburgh and Aberdeen times as they are the local affordable airports.
Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 4):
Are all the A320´s from LGW then, otherwise are some services/routes out of DUB being cut to
free up planes for this?
Hard to know. EI have another 2 A319 for delivery early next year, so in theory they would only be cutting 2 fleet units from their current network.
On the other hand EI currently have an impressive cash reserve, they could see it as an option to short term lease 2-4 A320 to dedicate to this wet lease VS operation. Contract is currently for 3 years.
EI already have a small base in LGW, perhaps those crew can operate from both airports?
AAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12161 times:
EI did have a LHR base of Crew in the past, I think it was only about 20 cabin crew based there, I'm not sure if it still exists or not.
EI is a wise choice as they already have short haul op's established in LHR T1, so accommodating the extra flights wouldn't be a problem. They also operate into MAN EDI and ABZ, so the start up transition should be easy.
The A320's will be in 174 seats. No mention of a premium class so it's assuming it's all Y config.
Hot breakfast will be served on morning flights and snacks on all other flights.
Flight's will operate with VS flight numbers, numbers will be VS3001onwards
clydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10205 times:
Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 15): Interesting to see if theres any cabin refit as currently EI have Aer Lingus embossed on the seatbacks.
Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 10): EI s A320 is very similar in hard product to BA, I'm not sure if they've got air display on their A320s but don't expect to see anything like VX. For an hours flight duration though who cares
My thinking is that the aircraft won't be transferred from the existing EI fleet, but will be additional aircraft leased by EI for the purpose of this contract. So the interiors can be whatever is decided by VS.
I'm also thinking that the crew for this will mainly be recruited locally and specifically for this contract, bar a few trainers etc from the main EI operation.
This contract will probably have a fixed end date so it will be designed so that both EI and VS won't have any issues with being able to close it down at the end.
A340crew From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9797 times:
This should not be too difficult for EI to manage since they just closed down the United Airlines Joint Venture on the IAD-MAD route. Also now that the United gig is over EI has one "wet lease/joint venture" program under there belt. Possibly some of the IAD displaced workers with EU working rights (there were very few, mostly management, a few flight attendants and all the pilots who were mostly A320 guys who got upgraded to the A330 just for the IAD route) will end up on the Virgin contract in LHR.
Also this sounds like a drastically different service than EI's flights. I have flow them on short DUB-LON routes before and they could barely complete a BOB service with there sky cafe menu, never mind serve 174 hot meals on a short flight. It will be interesting to see how it works out. It will also be interesting to see some of those irish girls in the VS uniform.
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9385 times:
I'm intrigued to see how the VS pricing on LHR-EDI-LHR settles down (my bread and butter journey is up to EDI - 30 return trips in 2012). Post-BD, the pricing has gone upwards (mostly I think as a result of BD's lower priced offering disappearing and less I think from BA increasing their prices - but I haven't got facts to back that up).
I suspect that VS will price very similarly to BA, so I will continue to use EZY for the bulk of my travel to EDI (this year was ~66% EZY, ~33% BD/BA).
EIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8646 times:
Quoting CaptCufflinks (Reply 21): I would have though that based on VS' image conscious branding team there would be a few small tweaks to the EI aircraft - very bland and boring from what I remember.
The most likely craft, if they are going to use the A319, are two ex-IB birds which likely don't even have the EI interior yet. Unlike the last two I haven't seen pics of them hiding in full colourscheme in a hanger months in advance so they may not even be green yet.
GCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8637 times:
Quoting Tardis (Reply 24): Good to see VS going domestic! Can't wait to try them!
What's interesting, and probably won't last, is they are offering 2 tier points for a pretty low cost (£100) LHR-MAN-LHR return - at least if I have read the small print corrrectly - which means that you can reach Silver in 8 return economy flights. That should only take me about 10 weeks Gold is reached in 20 return flights. Plenty of London-Edinburgh/Aberdeen commuters are going to reach Gold quickly.
EagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1998 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5917 times:
Quoting A340crew (Reply 17): Also this sounds like a drastically different service than EI's flights. I have flow them on short DUB-LON routes before and they could barely complete a BOB service with there sky cafe menu, never mind serve 174 hot meals on a short flight.
I still remember when EI had 2 class service on the DUB-LHR route with their A321's. Up to 125 (ish) J class pax, all getting drinks, meal tray and tea/coffee serviceon the 50-60 mins flight....in addition to the 50 in Y getting drinks and snacks. BOB service is actually a lot more laborious than 'full service' as BOB involves more options for the pax, the cash transaction and the possibility of stock issues. 'Full service' usually involves 2 options....what drink? and tea or coffee?
Quoting A340crew (Reply 17): Also now that the United gig is over EI has one "wet lease/joint venture" program under there belt. Possibly some of the IAD displaced workers with EU working rights (there were very few, mostly management, a few flight attendants and all the pilots who were mostly A320 guys who got upgraded to the A330 just for the IAD route) will end up on the Virgin contract in LHR.
I don't think this will be part of the gig. The mgmt and flightcrew were on secondment for 3 years in IAD. All are now back in the DUB based operation.
I think the most likely option is for the EI LGW base to expand to cover the LHR operation also. Perhaps some of the BHD based crew (formerly BFS based) could be given the option to move over.
Quoting EGPH (Reply 28): If these flights are EI operated, will they carry Shamrock or Virgin callsigns? Sorry for my lack of knowledge on such things
I assume if they fly under the EI AOC the callsign will be Shamrock?