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Emirates Ready To Launch Stockholm Route  
User currently offlineRichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13397 times:

Anyboady know when this will be officially announced...?


Emirates is reportedly preparing to launch a new direct between Dubai and Stockholm Arlanda next summer. It is understood that it will be a daily service, scheduled for debut on 3 June 2013. There is as yet no official announcement about the new route from the airline, but it is known that the company had been working on the establishment of a new route either to Oslo or to Stockholm.
Planning for the new route is supposedly so advanced that agreements with handling companies, among others, have already been signed and route numbers set – named as EK157 and 158.
Emirates appears to be turbocharging its route expansions in Scandinavia, encouraged by the success of its flights to Copenhagen, which launched in August 2011. The airline previously announced an upgrade on the route from February 2013, deploying a Boeing 777-300 ER.

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User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13069 times:

DXB-ARN nonstop w 77W ?
Too much plane for this route imo.

//Mike   



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User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12886 times:

Quoting solnabo (Reply 1):
DXB-ARN nonstop w 77W ?Too much plane for this route imo.

I believe the route would be launched using the A330, or perhaps less likely one of the remaining A345.
Then up-gauged based on demand. Don't underestimate the amount of connecting traffic that EK can generate   
The above mentioned the CPH route being up-gauged as of FEB 2013

I would be happy to be proved wrong however, as I will be looking to utilise this flight for my annual trip to Sweden, and the newer 77W would be much preferred!



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12785 times:

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 2):
one of the remaining A345

Not a single one has left the fleet left, so they are all still remaining.

Quoting solnabo (Reply 1):
DXB-ARN nonstop w 77W ?
Too much plane for this route imo

If it does not launch with B77W, it will operate with 77W within a year anyhow.

Quoting Richie72 (Thread starter):
a new route either to Oslo or to Stockholm

While Stockholm will likely launch first, I would not expect Oslo to be far behind.


User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12722 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Not a single one has left the fleet left, so they are all still remaining.

Sorry, right you are. For some reason I thought that they had retired some already.

Fingers crossed that they launch with the 77W. With the QF tie up, this flight would be great, 1 stop SYD-DXB-ARN.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1756 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
While Stockholm will likely launch first, I would not expect Oslo to be far behind.

Yep considering OSL is soon to take over CPH as Scandinavia's biggest airport by passenger numbers.

I wonder if EK can offer any sort of codesharing with either DY or SK to feed passengers from domestic routes into its long haul network.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12436 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 5):
I wonder if EK can offer any sort of codesharing with either DY or SK to feed passengers from domestic routes into its long haul network.

SK already feeds EK at CPH (and other European airports) through regular interlining, although I have no idea regarding the volumes. Don't need any codesharing for this

DY doesn't interline


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12384 times:

EK as good as always, range permitting, launches new routes with the A330. Next step up is 777 or A340, then 77W and eventually A380. In the future it will be A359, B77W and A380. Pile 'em high and sell 'em cheap; it does work if you can get the formula right, and have the right cost base.

CPH will have gone from 330 to 77W in around 2 years, and I see no reason why ARN should be any different. Do not underestimate EK's ability to draw in the crowd, mainly because they're usually cheaper than the competition but also because of the product on offer. Their business class (on the A380 and newer 77W) is among the best around, and the F suites are just heaven. I have no experience of their economy product, but having walked through that part of the cabin on many occasions it looks exactly like every other y-class: Packed to the gills and not very comfortable.



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User currently onlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12300 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 5):
Yep considering OSL is soon to take over CPH as Scandinavia's biggest airport by passenger numbers.

Here we go again. Just because Norway of reasons we all know sees a lot of domestic flying, not least from OSL, doesn't necessarily mean EK would do as well as from ARN. Having said that, I think EK will do well out of OSL. The brand itself brings them success almost no matter where they fly.

Hopefully the populist comment wasn't meant seriously, but just to tease us Danes  



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11996 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 7):
EK as good as always, range permitting, launches new routes with the A330. Next step up is 777 or A340, then 77W and eventually A380

Most recently in Europe, Barcelona was launched with B77W, Lisbon with B772ER, while Lyon will be launched with A345. Only Warsaw will initiate will A332, and Dublin saw the 330 for a mere 3 months. In the recent past Amsterdam and Geneva both received the B77L and B77W from the onset. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Stockholm gets at least a B772ER.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11782 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 5):
I wonder if EK can offer any sort of codesharing with either DY or SK to feed passengers from domestic routes into its long haul network.

Really don't think this would be possible as EK will be competing with SK and DY for passengers heading East. For example, DY will be inaugurating flights next summer to BKK out of ARN and Oslo.


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2396 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11588 times:
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Moreover, their A332/A343 is no longer a "competitive" product if they want to compete directly with the likes of EY/WY/QR or even the latest narrow-body product of GF. I don't talk about TG that now offers its latest product on the Scandinavian routes (744/773).

EK should have refurbished at least ten A332 to be on par with the 777 fleet in order to launch new routes just my opinion of course... But I recently saw a EK 772A interior which had a far superior product than the A332, and the latter is still younger in their fleet.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11239 times:

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 11):
I don't talk about TG that now offers its latest product on the Scandinavian routes (744/773).

TG was supposed to operate its new B777-300ER into CPH for the summer 2013 season. But TG has changed its mind and will continue with the B744 and will reduce flight frequency. SK, as has been reported, will suspend BKK-CPH for the summer 2013 season.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9940 times:
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About the right time to discuss a summer launch. I'll be curious as to the gauge.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 2):
one of the remaining A345

Not a single one has left the fleet left, so they are all still remaining.

Interesting. I thought they were supposed to start leaving the fleet this year. I'm being laze and not looking at EK's annual report, were they on operating leases? I've been reading that several airlines have not depreciated their operating leases sufficiently for the 'current environment.' (No source as it was just an aviation blog post.) It will be interesting to see their fleet turnover strategy.

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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8114 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
I thought they were supposed to start leaving the fleet this year.

Two A345s are slated to be withdrawn in July and November 2013 respectively. That is the current plan, because changes do happen. As such, EK will hang on to at least a number of A343s for another while. All 8 A343s were originally planned to be retired by March 2013.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7179 times:
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Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 14):
Two A345s are slated to be withdrawn in July and November 2013 respectively. That is the current plan, because changes do happen. As such, EK will hang on to at least a number of A343s for another while. All 8 A343s were originally planned to be retired by March 2013.

Thank you. Have any of the A343s left the fleet? I thought some had, but I'm not tracking that closely.

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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1756 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 8):
Here we go again. Just because Norway of reasons we all know sees a lot of domestic flying, not least from OSL, doesn't necessarily mean EK would do as well as from ARN. Having said that, I think EK will do well out of OSL. The brand itself brings them success almost no matter where they fly.

Granted, domestic traffic is a much bigger factor at OSL but you can't deny that international traffic is seeing huge growth. At the moment for example, the non-schengen gate area is being expanded so it can offer more stands for intercontinental flights and of course we are seeing a new terminal extension and pier being built.

It is inevitable that EK will start up in OSL... Just a matter of when.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3078 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6871 times:

I'm very happy for ARN and the wait has been longer than it ever should have been. Hopefully, OSL will come quickly there after.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
the non-schengen gate area is being expanded so it can offer more stands for intercontinental flights

A bit off topic. Do you know what the plans for this are or where I can find them. I cannot find anything more detailed. I'm interested in knowing how many gates will be added (and which will become swing gates or stay as swing gates) and the size each gate (which will be class E, and C, etc) can take. I would expect gate 44 to become a swing gates (44/54) same with 45 (45/55), but nothing really to back that up.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
At the moment for example, the non-schengen gate area is being expanded so it can offer more stands for intercontinental flights

Well, not more stands, but they tweeked the bridge positions a bit for more A330-types of aircrafts could park next to each other and not only 737s.

The expansion it it self isn't that big, but they expanded the area slightly to make some more room for passengers, but we shouldn't exaggarate it. So we still have to wait untill 2017 for the new pier to open

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
international traffic is seeing huge growth.

+6,3% so far this year vs 5,6% for CPH, and still only about 50% of CPH international passengers.

The growth will probably continue, but due to capacity constrains the growth doesn't come that easy anymore

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
It is inevitable that EK will start up in OSL... Just a matter of when.

Probably yet


User currently offlinevadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6680 times:

Congratualation Stockholm  

I am surprised it took so long for Emirates to explore Scandinavia and the Nordics, but now they seem to follow Qatar's example.


User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1214 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6636 times:

Quoting flylonghaul (Reply 2):
I believe the route would be launched using the A330, or perhaps less likely one of the remaining A345

Emirates will use Boeing 777-300ER on the Stockholm route.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 5):
Yep considering OSL is soon to take over CPH as Scandinavia's biggest airport by passenger numbers

Much of what carries Gardermoen to this position is domestic traffic. The market for international traffic is still larger in both Stockholm and Copenhagen.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17084 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 6407 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 20):

Emirates will use Boeing 777-300ER on the Stockholm route.

Wow, will be great to see the huge 777 at ARN.



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1214 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6303 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 16):
It is inevitable that EK will start up in OSL... Just a matter of when.

You can probably always say that when it comes to Emirates... They are expanding rapidly into all major markets in Europe and OSL is such a market. But inevitable is a strong word... It could take some time yet.



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User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 20):
Emirates will use Boeing 777-300ER on the Stockholm route.



Has this been confirmed?   



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User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 22):
They are expanding rapidly into all major markets in Europe and OSL is such a market. But inevitable is a strong word... It could take some time yet.

Count on both Stockholm and Oslo to be launched in 2013.


25 SCQ83 : I know it is a bit off-topic, but what about BRU? After OSL and ARN it will be the only remaining major Western European market not served by EK.
26 flylonghaul : And also what about EDI to add to the list? And to get back on topic. If EK launches ARN with 77W, I would assume a high density J and Y only bird co
27 HB-IWC : Brussels is definitely on EK's radar screen. As a matter of fact, it was close to being launched for S12, but then AMS was upgauged to A388 and the i
28 CXfirst : That would probably be the ideal bird, but it will probably depend a bit on what is available. However, I am a bit surprised they don't start with th
29 lightsaber : Add Marseille France if EK could ever gain more French rights... Not to mention STG and BER (note: I would bet against EK gaining those rights). So t
30 arn777 : Very good news for my old airport!! I actually thought ARN would come sooner and before CPH. As of the "competition" between ARN and OSL I think ARN i
31 Post contains images Navigator : Apart from rumors from Norway I have seen nothing confirmed about Emirates starting flights to Oslo in 2013. On the contrary I read that Oslo is not
32 Post contains images arn777 : Just as I know EK is coming to ARN next summer without any public confirmation from EK or Swedavia I also know that it was a close race between OSL a
33 Post contains images Navigator : We have heard things like this before so many times... especially from sources at OSL. You may be right but from what I have read about Emirates plan
34 Post contains links g2scandinavia : Ehhh right............... It must bee the third time you are presenting this statement without even caring for checking your sources. As usual I gues
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