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Air Asia´s First A320 W Sharks  
User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 854 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16666 times:

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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16562 times:

I agree:


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Think they should have done this long ago...



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16545 times:

When is it suppose to be delivered??? I was in toulouse in August and I saw a QR airbus A320 with sharklest parked in front of ATR production line.
So how´s going to be first to operate the sharklets??


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16395 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 2):
When is it suppose to be delivered??? I was in toulouse in August and I saw a QR airbus A320 with sharklest parked in front of ATR production line.
So how´s going to be first to operate the sharklets??

The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5208 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16059 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:

Forgive me for asking, but what do engines have to do with the installation of sharklets?


User currently onlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16052 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):
Forgive me for asking, but what do engines have to do with the installation of sharklets?


As the engines have different charactistics from power levels to aerodynamic shape, the winglets have to be certified separately for each type.



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User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16015 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 4):

Regulations state that any changes to an aircraft have to be certified with each engine variant the aircraft may be operated with. Because the new sharklets are an alteration to the wing, I'd assume the safety agencies would like to make sure no component of the wing has been compromised. While the wing itself doesn't change, the engines do so they need to approve both. That's my guess.

EDIT: Above poster has actual answer lol.

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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15671 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:

So, when are they planning to certified the QR plane, it was there ready on 1st of August, I´m sure that that plane has flown already. I though that was the first A-320 with sharklets after the test plane, but now according to you it will be Air Asia.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15573 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 7):
So, when are they planning to certified the QR plane, it was there ready on 1st of August, I´m sure that that plane has flown already. I though that was the first A-320 with sharklets after the test plane, but now according to you it will be Air Asia.

The IAE version should be certified next year. Plus all the other versions, A319 and A321 would be certified next year as well. I understand that you would think the QR aircraft would have been the first, But seeing as how the CFM version A320 got its Sharklets first (on msn 001 and 5098) its not surprising they would be certified first vs the QR aircraft. If anything, im sure they are using the aircraft in question for the IAE Sharklet certification.

Regarding Air Asia being the first operator, it says so on the aircraft linked in my previous post, And for further confirmation:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ng-sharklet-equipped-a320s-379690/



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User currently offlineDLD9S From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 15405 times:

Wow, that looks a lot like a EMB-195 from a distance.


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User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 1):

Think they should have done this long ago...


AIUI the cost of fuel has tipped the balance in favour Winglets on the A320. At lower prices the savings were outweighed by the cost of design/fitment.


User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 10):

AIUI the cost of fuel has tipped the balance in favour Winglets on the A320. At lower prices the savings were outweighed by the cost of design/fitment.

While this is probably correct, I'm wondering just how long ago that point passed.

By way of example, AA (who is and was proactive about almost nothing at all), wasted little time in back-fitting existing 738s with winglets in the early 2000's. I can't help thinking that other similar airlines operating the 32x series, like UA, BA, NW/DL, etc, would have done the same had the option been available. I believe the cost per BBL of oil when the 32x was originally introduced was something less than $20. I can only wonder what kind of market share the 320s would have by now had they had the sharks at the same time that option became available for the 737 & 757 families.

But, as I said, yes, I do agree that the 320 as conceived was quite well advantaged against the 737s (and 727s for that matter) of the day, without the sharks.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 10):

I know, but ive always wondered what would look like with winglets. Believe it or not, I actually made a model (a bad one out of legos) when I was younger as a concept for the ACJ version, didnt think they were actually gonna do it! lol (note im not trying to claim rights to the design...)

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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 572 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

From a long distance, this is going to make it hard to tell the 737NG from the new A320s

User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7889 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 11):
By way of example, AA (who is and was proactive about almost nothing at all), wasted little time in back-fitting existing 738s with winglets in the early 2000's. I can't help thinking that other similar airlines operating the 32x series, like UA, BA, NW/DL, etc, would have done the same had the option been available. I believe the cost per BBL of oil when the 32x was originally introduced was something less than $20. I can only wonder what kind of market share the 320s would have by now had they had the sharks at the same time that option became available for the 737 & 757 families.

The difference between vanilla wingtips and winglets on a Boeing is greater then between a the previous Wingtip Fence and Winglet on a Bus.


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 7051 times:

Two more A320s with sharklets, for Cebu and IndiGo, have been spotted:
http://www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=6519



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User currently offlinePugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6998 times:
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There are more and more frames arriving at the FAL's which will have sharklets fitted straight away maybe to help with certification purposes. I've seen sharklets in ALL variants of the A320 family.

Another thing aswell, approximately 80% of the frames arriving at the FAL's now are sharklet, but they still have the standard wingtip fitted, which the customer can have changed at a later date.


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week ago) and read 6737 times:

Is this AK's new livery? I guess it's kinda strange to put such big emphasis on the tagline "Now Everyone Can Fly"..... I mean it is their slogan and all but it looks like a bit much too me....


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User currently offlineFlyingAY From Finland, joined Jun 2007, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week ago) and read 6713 times:

Quoting timpdx (Reply 13):
From a long distance, this is going to make it hard to tell the 737NG from the new A320s

Look at the root of the vertical stabilizer - that should help you tell a A320 from a B737 quite easily.


User currently offlineEagleBoy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6515 times:
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Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 18):
Look at the root of the vertical stabilizer - that should help you tell a A320 from a B737 quite easily.

Or the nose shape.......


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

The one for AirAsia has been delivered today.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...-of-airbus-sharklet-equipped-a320/



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User currently offlineHELyes From Finland, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 961 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 20):

Airbus: "Sharklets.......are 2.4 metres tall"

Didn't realize they are that tall..


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Quoting HELyes (Reply 21):

Airbus: "Sharklets.......are 2.4 metres tall"

Didn't realize they are that tall..

Which is about the same height as the tiny looking A380 wingtip fences.



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User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1385 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5706 times:

Quoting DLD9S (Reply 9):

I agree, it will definately be harder to tell these to apart than 737 as others have mentioned ..Especially in the air....



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4804 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5265 times:
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Quoting speedygonzales (Reply 22):
Which is about the same height as the tiny looking A380 wingtip fences.

I can not find a link right now but if I recall correctly these "tiny wingtips" on the A380 are still about 3.1 meters tall.  .


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4804 posts, RR: 40
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5442 times:
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Quoting solnabo (Thread starter):

Looking great..

They sure do.  .


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

Looking very sharp. Much better than those small winglet fences.


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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5417 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 26):
Looking very sharp. Much better than those small winglet fences.


  

I think its a great addition. Also glad to see the first aircraft finally delivered.



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User currently offlineairbuske From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 466 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4639 times:

Sharp looking airplane! Who is going be the first U.S. operator of an A320 with sharklets? NKS?

User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

I find it a little odd Airbus suddenly did a quick 360 on their philosophy. When Boeing added the winglets to the 737, Airbus maintained their existing fences were just as efficient, or at least not different enough to make the change.

What changed?



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User currently offlineliftsifter From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

The A320 is a mighty fine bird with those Sharklets! Even more gorgeous (probably) in other liveries.


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4804 posts, RR: 40
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4457 times:
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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 29):
What changed?

Probably refined aerodynamics which can now be calculated and measured much more precise then 10 to 15 years ago.  


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 31):

Plus significant higher fuel price than 10-15 years ago has made fuel saving improvements much more important.



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User currently offlineaviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1489 posts, RR: 14
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

Just a piece of trivia, AirAsia's first A320 with sharklets wingtips operated its first service on 24 December 2012 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (flight AK1817) and return (AK1818).

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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

Quoting aviasian (Reply 33):
Just a piece of trivia, AirAsia's first A320 with sharklets wingtips operated its first service on 24 December 2012 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (flight AK1817) and return (AK1818).

Would love to see the window view of that wing/winglet.



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