migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14684 times:
When is it suppose to be delivered??? I was in toulouse in August and I saw a QR airbus A320 with sharklest parked in front of ATR production line.
So how´s going to be first to operate the sharklets??
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1404 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14534 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 2): When is it suppose to be delivered??? I was in toulouse in August and I saw a QR airbus A320 with sharklest parked in front of ATR production line.
So how´s going to be first to operate the sharklets??
The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:
KL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14198 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3): The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:
Forgive me for asking, but what do engines have to do with the installation of sharklets?
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Regulations state that any changes to an aircraft have to be certified with each engine variant the aircraft may be operated with. Because the new sharklets are an alteration to the wing, I'd assume the safety agencies would like to make sure no component of the wing has been compromised. While the wing itself doesn't change, the engines do so they need to approve both. That's my guess.
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13810 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3): The QR A320 with sharklets has IAE engines. The sharklets are only certified for the CFM version so far and its been said that Air Asia would receive the first aircraft with sharklets:
So, when are they planning to certified the QR plane, it was there ready on 1st of August, I´m sure that that plane has flown already. I though that was the first A-320 with sharklets after the test plane, but now according to you it will be Air Asia.
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1404 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13712 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 7): So, when are they planning to certified the QR plane, it was there ready on 1st of August, I´m sure that that plane has flown already. I though that was the first A-320 with sharklets after the test plane, but now according to you it will be Air Asia.
The IAE version should be certified next year. Plus all the other versions, A319 and A321 would be certified next year as well. I understand that you would think the QR aircraft would have been the first, But seeing as how the CFM version A320 got its Sharklets first (on msn 001 and 5098) its not surprising they would be certified first vs the QR aircraft. If anything, im sure they are using the aircraft in question for the IAE Sharklet certification.
Regarding Air Asia being the first operator, it says so on the aircraft linked in my previous post, And for further confirmation:
AIUI the cost of fuel has tipped the balance in favour Winglets on the A320. At lower prices the savings were outweighed by the cost of design/fitment.
DarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 980 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6427 times:
Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 10):
AIUI the cost of fuel has tipped the balance in favour Winglets on the A320. At lower prices the savings were outweighed by the cost of design/fitment.
While this is probably correct, I'm wondering just how long ago that point passed.
By way of example, AA (who is and was proactive about almost nothing at all), wasted little time in back-fitting existing 738s with winglets in the early 2000's. I can't help thinking that other similar airlines operating the 32x series, like UA, BA, NW/DL, etc, would have done the same had the option been available. I believe the cost per BBL of oil when the 32x was originally introduced was something less than $20. I can only wonder what kind of market share the 320s would have by now had they had the sharks at the same time that option became available for the 737 & 757 families.
But, as I said, yes, I do agree that the 320 as conceived was quite well advantaged against the 737s (and 727s for that matter) of the day, without the sharks.
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I know, but ive always wondered what would look like with winglets. Believe it or not, I actually made a model (a bad one out of legos) when I was younger as a concept for the ACJ version, didnt think they were actually gonna do it! lol (note im not trying to claim rights to the design...)
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starrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 91 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6028 times:
Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 11): By way of example, AA (who is and was proactive about almost nothing at all), wasted little time in back-fitting existing 738s with winglets in the early 2000's. I can't help thinking that other similar airlines operating the 32x series, like UA, BA, NW/DL, etc, would have done the same had the option been available. I believe the cost per BBL of oil when the 32x was originally introduced was something less than $20. I can only wonder what kind of market share the 320s would have by now had they had the sharks at the same time that option became available for the 737 & 757 families.
The difference between vanilla wingtips and winglets on a Boeing is greater then between a the previous Wingtip Fence and Winglet on a Bus.
Pugman211 From UK - England, joined Dec 2012, 50 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5137 times:
There are more and more frames arriving at the FAL's which will have sharklets fitted straight away maybe to help with certification purposes. I've seen sharklets in ALL variants of the A320 family.
Another thing aswell, approximately 80% of the frames arriving at the FAL's now are sharklet, but they still have the standard wingtip fitted, which the customer can have changed at a later date.
Palmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
Is this AK's new livery? I guess it's kinda strange to put such big emphasis on the tagline "Now Everyone Can Fly"..... I mean it is their slogan and all but it looks like a bit much too me....
YVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2087 posts, RR: 0 Reply 29, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2672 times:
I find it a little odd Airbus suddenly did a quick 360 on their philosophy. When Boeing added the winglets to the 737, Airbus maintained their existing fences were just as efficient, or at least not different enough to make the change.
aviasian From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 1453 posts, RR: 16 Reply 33, posted (4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2009 times:
Just a piece of trivia, AirAsia's first A320 with sharklets wingtips operated its first service on 24 December 2012 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (flight AK1817) and return (AK1818).
B747forever From United States of America, joined May 2007, 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 34, posted (4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1886 times:
Quoting aviasian (Reply 33): Just a piece of trivia, AirAsia's first A320 with sharklets wingtips operated its first service on 24 December 2012 from Kuala Lumpur to Singapore (flight AK1817) and return (AK1818).
Would love to see the window view of that wing/winglet.
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