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EWR For Sale On Virgin America  
User currently offlinedwcontroller From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 153 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12621 times:

On Virgin America's web site EWR is up sale starting April 2nd. Six flights a day; three to LAX, three to SFO. Starting main cabin fares $149.00.

[Edited 2012-12-10 19:33:11]


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12631 times:

Nice to see an airline that isn't UA (CO) at EWR!

User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12587 times:

All I have to say is they have been trying for a long time, it's about time.


You will either love or hate the airline industry. If you love it, it will get in your blood and it will never leave.
User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12558 times:

Good luck Virgin - going to three UA hubs - your going to need it. 9x daily SFO and 7x daily LAX is going to be a lot more attractive than 3x

User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1017 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Where'd they get the slots from?


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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

I am generally pretty skeptical about VX but I actually think VX will do pretty well out of EWR. If any airport ever needed fare relief it is EWR! Thanks to UA's pricing power, fares are often 2-3x higher out of EWR compared to JFK or LGA.

User currently offlinedbo861 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 890 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12252 times:

Are they getting more aircraft for this, or decreasing frequencies on other routes? I thought they were only getting one additional aircraft between now and 2015..and I'm sure they'll need more than one aircraft to fly 6 transcons per day.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7320 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12225 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 4):
Where'd they get the slots from?

They aren't getting airplanes so something else is going away. I wonder if that is where the slots come from. Perhaps they are closing IAD and did some sort of deal with UA? Something has to be closing.

The other interesting part is that assuming they bought these slots from somewhere, it means they must have gotten a new infusion of cash...

[Edited 2012-12-10 21:07:41]

User currently offlineKLAXAirport From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 12191 times:

This is great! I know its grueling if you live in Jersey to drive all the way to JFK just to fly Virgin America. This will be a great way for the NJ passengers to get a good experience. I would expect a lot of business travel with TOUGH competition. We'll see...

Cheers,
KLAXAirport   


User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 12041 times:

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 8):
I would expect a lot of business travel with TOUGH competition.

Most businesses in NY that are already established have their own carrier unless the carrier doesn't fly somewhere. New Yorkers take loyalty very seriously, not only airlines but look at the Yankees. I am not saying they won't get business travelers, I am just saying don't expect any amazing number.



You will either love or hate the airline industry. If you love it, it will get in your blood and it will never leave.
User currently offlinejetMarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 11999 times:

Getting EWR slots from American.

Examiner Article



"Sucka, I'm gonna send you out on Knuckle Airlines. Fist Class!!" ~ Mr. T
User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11934 times:

Three a day is enough to be competative no problem.

User currently offlineairliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 1441 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11935 times:

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 10):
Getting EWR slots from American.

All it says about AA is that they are getting the gates from AA.



You will either love or hate the airline industry. If you love it, it will get in your blood and it will never leave.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25737 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11818 times:

Yes, here is the schedule.

EWR-LAX
VX161 0915-1215 A320
VX165 1300-1555 A320
VX169 1855-2205 A320

LAX-EWR
VX162 0935-1800 A320
VX166 1305-2129 A320
VX170 2335-0759 A320


EWR-SFO
VX183 0730-1045 A319
VX187 1030-1345 A319
VX193 1729-2055 A319

SFO-EWR
VX174 0800-1624 A319
VX178 1445-2320 A319
VX182 2130-0559 A319

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 3):
Good luck Virgin - going to three UA hubs - your going to need it. 9x daily SFO and 7x daily LAX is going to be a lot more attractive than 3x

Look at the big picture.

Combined with JFK frequencies VX will be offering 30 departures daily between NYC and California !

They are a force to be reckoned with especially considering the rather decent fares they garner in the market compared to peers.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9555 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11802 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):

They are a force to be reckoned with especially considering the rather decent fares they garner in the market compared to peers.

and yet the are still burning money.



yep.
User currently offlineboilerla From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 369 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11725 times:

I'm not so sure that UA's service to EWR from LAX & SFO is O&D. I imagine a lot of customers are connecting to int'l itineraries. Whenever I fly into NYC, I prefer JFK P.S. service if it was pure O&D. But when you go on to someplace in Europe you don't have a choice (alas) and you are in a regular service flight to EWR.

That said I'm sure UA will protect this with low fares, some new 739s that are coming in in 2013 and even more service. Hopefully a double EQM offer or two...


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5622 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 11677 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 14):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
They are a force to be reckoned with especially considering the rather decent fares they garner in the market compared to peers.
and yet the are still burning money.

The two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I'd say the fact that they are still kicking even after losing as much as they have makes them all the more formidable.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlinesouthwest737500 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11187 times:

I hope VX does well, I for one would love to see them in CLT where US had the prices through the roof

WN is probably the savior hopefully they add CLT-DEN/LAS

just a thought


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 11154 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 1):
Nice to see an airline that isn't UA (CO) at EWR!

Especially in the Trans-Con market, in the '90s we had DL (LAX), AA (LAX), UA (SFO, LAX, SAN, SEA) and CO (SAN, SFO, SNA, SEA, LAX).

[Edited 2012-12-11 03:49:48]


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10958 times:

As much as I love UA/CO, I am glad to see more competition in any airline's fortress hub. It increases choice and that's not a bad thing.

3x a day will make a dent. Let's see how UA responds that'll be real interesting. I think it was in the 2000s or late 1990's another smaller airline (don't remember which one--the memory is vague) decided to enter the EWR-SFO market. CO really retaliated heavily and really crushed them. Maybe someone recalls who this competitor was.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 19):
I think it was in the 2000s or late 1990's another smaller airline (don't remember which one--the memory is vague) decided to enter the EWR-SFO market. CO really retaliated heavily and really crushed them. Maybe someone recalls who this competitor was.

ATA.....



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Yes, that is right. I knew it was an airline starting with "A." CO dumped all sorts of capacity and drove them out. Now we're dealing with the resources of the combined entity. Who know maybe UA won't respond that hard.

User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4520 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10054 times:

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 10):
Getting EWR slots from American.

Examiner Article

As noted in a prior post it's just a gate. AA could probably drop another gate as well and not have it impact their meager EWR operation at all.


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9969 times:

I am very happy to see VX finally adding service to EWR. They have been wanting to do so for years, but complained that they could not get commercially viable slots. Congrats to them for this long-awaited accomplishment! However, it does raise some questions:

- Gate space came from AA. However, where did the scarce EWR slots come from? The only equivalent assets that VX could trade to other airlines would be their JFK slots (I don't think the beyond-perimeter DCA slot is transferable), and I doubt VX would want to give any of those up when they finally seem to be getting good pricing power and yields on their JFK routes.

- How does VX, which has slashed near term growth by capping the fleet for several years, come up with the aircraft capacity to offer this service? In the past, they cut underperforming routes within a year. If that is the case, then ORD and Mexico should be safe, while PHL and PDX should be worried right now. They could also cut frequency across the board.



Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlinePhilly65 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9812 times:

Looks like PHL is safe although they did drop one round trip on the LAX route...now at 2x's/day. I bet it will be frequency adjustments on other routes especially Mexico and/or Florida. Didn't they announce a few frequency cuts on other routes? That is probably funding the aircraft requirements for the EWR service.

25 usairways85 : Yes I know the EWR-SFO/LAX market is much different than PHL-SFO/LAX but if US/UA can run VX out of PHL then UA better be able to run VX out of EWR.
26 slcdeltarumd11 : I agree 100%. I am often skpetical of VX also but I really could see them do well out of EWR. Fares are often so high on these two routes. Very simil
27 Post contains images ScottB : The schedule looks like it takes the better part of four aircraft since there look to be some lengthy turns at EWR. The evening arrival at 2129 from
28 usairways85 : True, though so many people in the NYC area pay outright for F and aren't necessarily die hard loyalists. In the late summer/Fall I was on EWR-LAX on
29 slcdeltarumd11 : I wonder if we see united try to up its game and at least put PTV only aircraft on those routes. A united 757-300 is so inferior to virgin america its
30 as739x : Been to SFO lately? They have a minimum of 3 or 4 planes always sitting around during the day. This actually should help them get aircraft up moving
31 OOer : ...and then people wonder why they have yet to post a profitable quarter. Hopefully they'll run out of money next year and we can put them out of the
32 slcdeltarumd11 : That is a little over 5 cents a mile ($0.058 for SFO) for a brand new plane with one of the best inflight experiences out there. There is no way that
33 jetMarc : Keep in mind "starting fares" usually only mean two or three seats and probably not even for all flights... its just a marketing gimic, not an entire
34 SANFan : It is interesting to look at a turn-schedule. The 2 "normal" (afternoon) turns at EWR are both :55 on the ground. But the other 4 turns are RONs (~10
35 Post contains images VCy : Thank God for Virgin America & America has a quality carrier
36 tommy767 : Well this is good for me since it means FARE REDUCTIONS on these routes. It's f-ing ridic that UA is charging $697 for a one way flight to LAX from EW
37 sqsfo : I have been on many UA flights and a few( 7 in total) on VX. The product offering and service onboard VX was FAR FAR FAR more superior. UA's tired and
38 NWADTWE16 : Great news! and this will be a huge hit..lots of Northern Jersey/NYC catchment that doesnt want JFK that can now choose something other than UA...
39 flyby519 : Any updates on this? Inquiring minds would like to know
40 PHLwok : These times for the first flight each day really aren't that good. First arrival westbound doesn't even allow for a business lunch. The eastbound red
41 Post contains images Deltal1011man : All it shows is someone(or people) are stupid enough to keeping letting VX burn money. and FWIW losing money doesn't make them more formidable. This
42 Post contains links STT757 : The slots are indeed coming from AA, as are the gates. It's mentioned in the Port Authority Press release: Also: http://www.panynj.gov/press-room/pre
43 SANFan : Can someone clarify if the EWR slots are time-specific? Maybe this would explain the strange times and long turns of some of the VX flights... bb
44 Flytravel : EWR attracts a greater catchment including more high yield and more destination traffic. I wonder if this will just cannibalize VX's own PHL service,
45 skycub : So... they have yet to earn a profit flying trans-cons from LAX and SFO to major east coast cities.... so what do they do? Add yet more trans-cons fro
46 usflyguy : Delete Delete Delete[Edited 2012-12-12 15:26:41]
47 Post contains links STT757 : http://www.nj.com/business/index.ssf...irgin_airlines_newark_airport.html
48 NWADTWE16 : What is that supposed 'airline analyst' talking about with saying United only offers 'premium' seats out of EWR?
49 klwright69 : There is a lot of traffic on the route, but with the competition the fares may be unsustainable. UA will retaliate.
50 RDH3E : From the OAG thread: Looks like UA is none to happy with VX.
51 usairways85 : I think you really have to look at the overall capacity seat count. I wouldn't be surprised if UA dumps capacity on the route but if you dive into it
52 usflyguy : 12 737-800's and 2 757's on EWR-LAX 11 737-800's, 3 A320's, 1 757, and 1 A319 on EWR-SFO.
53 klwright69 : Well pick a date and see for yourselves. Of course a drop in capacity is NOT the case, it is a major increase overall. Just as I said earlier, UA wil
54 klwright69 : UA is not stupid here. They know VX is struggling.
55 tommy767 : This schedule will change by April. I find it hard to believe that 12 738s will be on the route. Look for more variety.
56 klwright69 : Completely agree. Probably placeholders.
57 NWADTWE16 : Someone mentioned it in the OAG thread..does this rediculous response from UA warrant an investigation by the Govt? Clearly even UA knows their produc
58 usflyguy : Should VX be investigated for having fares for sale that, obviously, aren't high enough to cover their costs?
59 airliner371 : Its not bullying, its business. You see it all the time in this industry, UA has money to be able to do this, VX on the other hand doesn't. Very well
60 NWADTWE16 : I love how people defend less competition and airlines like UA being able to roll people over the coals in markets. You guys take it happily..well not
61 AeroWesty : Why? Fare wars happen constantly. UA and US are currently going at it, offering transcon fares in some markets for as low as $160 or so round-trip. I
62 milemaster : Investigated? By whom? The fare police? It's not like the entire plane is priced at 149.00 a seat.
63 Polot : You are the one who thinks UA should be investigated for adding more flights. Isn't that notion itself defending less competition? After all, if peop
64 usflyguy : It was a rhetorical question in response to the call for UA to be investigated.
65 jfklganyc : What a stupid thing for UA to do at a slot restricted airport. Let VX come in and have their 3 flights a day. They can't add anymore. And UA will stil
66 NWADTWE16 : As i stated in my response, someone else, in another thread posed the question ' does their behavior warrant an investigation?' . I simply re-quoted i
67 enilria : I'm the person who said that in the OAG thread and I'm the OP of that thread. I've been watching the OAG changes every week since many a.netters were
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