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BA B787 And A380 Seating  
User currently offlineLofty From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 291 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 14692 times:

BA have announced the new configs for the B787 and A380

B787 214 seats
Club World - 35 in 2 3 2
World travller plus - 25 in 2 3 2
World Travller - 154 in 3 3 3

A380 469
Main Deck
Enhanced First - 14
Club World - 44 in 2 4 2
World Travller - 199 in 3 4 3
Upper Deck
Club World - 53 in 2 3 2
World Travller Plus - 55 in 2 3 2
World Travller - 104 in 2 4 2

With the excption of Enhanced First all will have the same seats as the current B777-300

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User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14566 times:

I look forward to seeing the first photos of the Enhanced First!

User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14539 times:

Disappointing that their 787s will be 9Y, though the good news is that there's a decent sized Y section upstairs on the A380, as this 2-4-2 section is VERY popular.


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User currently offlineaerolover27 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 14434 times:

wat routes are BA flying the A380s?

User currently offlinetcxdegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14180 times:

Intruiged what the "Enhanced" element of First will be!


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User currently offlineseansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14176 times:

Seat maps can be found here http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-a380s-and-214-seat-787-8s-380056/

User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14025 times:

Interesting that BA being an airline which has for the past few years operated its long haul fleet with the lowest passenger densities around, will now fit 60 or more passengers onto an A380 compared to Korean Air

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14010 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 6):
Interesting that BA being an airline which has for the past few years operated its long haul fleet with the lowest passenger densities around, will now fit 60 or more passengers onto an A380 compared to Korean Air

Still fewer seats compared to SQ, EK, AF or LH.


User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13986 times:

There's much more information and quotes from Willy Walsh on Business Traveller.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new.../ba-b787-and-a380-layout-confirmed

Pity that BA has decided to configure Y class 3-3-3 on its B787 but I suppose that's to be expected, given that every other carrier (except NH/JL) have adopted that layout.

Walsh says that the exact seat plans of another 16 x B787-9 aircraft on order for delivery in 2015 have yet to be finalised. These planes could have three or four cabin layouts.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13950 times:
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Was waiting for a new Club World on the A380 and 787, same old seats. BA has a chance to enhance its J class with the arrival of the new planes and seems stuck in 2000.

User currently offlinescrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13888 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
seems stuck in 2000.

2nd generation flat beds in CW were introduced around 2007


User currently offlineunityofsaints From Ireland, joined Nov 2011, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13802 times:

Quoting Lofty (Thread starter):
World Travller - 104 in 2 4 2

Upper deck Y, always a treat but unfortunately far too rare (until now!)


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13771 times:
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Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 10):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
seems stuck in 2000.

2nd generation flat beds in CW were introduced around 2007

2007 was a generation ago in the arms race of F and J seats, thanks for pointing out BA is stuck in the last decade.


User currently offlineLHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 812 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13757 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
Was waiting for a new Club World on the A380 and 787, same old seats. BA has a chance to enhance its J class with the arrival of the new planes and seems stuck in 2000.

You are wrong. The seats will not be the same as the existing First and CW seats.


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13597 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 10):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 9):
seems stuck in 2000.

2nd generation flat beds in CW were introduced around 2007

2007 was a generation ago in the arms race of F and J seats, thanks for pointing out BA is stuck in the last decade.

That's a funny accusation to level at BA from the US, where J was stuck 3 generations behind until about 2 years ago. BA has a good product which balances passenger comfort with density to generate yield. It could probably always be improved, but US carriers are making their first inroads into a flat bed in international J, whereas BA was already there 12 or 13 years ago...



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13420 times:
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Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 14):
That's a funny accusation to level at BA from the US, where J was stuck 3 generations behind until about 2 years ago. BA has a good product which balances passenger comfort with density to generate yield. It could probably always be improved, but US carriers are making their first inroads into a flat bed in international J, whereas BA was already there 12 or 13 years ago...

Sadly you are mostly right. But the same could be sad of your French airline and its cousin, KLM.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13304 times:

I still don't get the 2-3-2 config in C on the 787s and 2-4-2 config on the A380s. I read good reviews concerning BA C seats, but I don't get how these seats can be comfy, and wide enough for a true C class.


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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3187 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13252 times:

Looking at the seat map of the A380, what's with the missing seat in the centre of Y ?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30584 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13208 times:
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Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
I still don't get the 2-3-2 config in C on the 787s and 2-4-2 config on the A380s. I read good reviews concerning BA C seats, but I don't get how these seats can be comfy, and wide enough for a true C class.

Per SeatGutu the Club World seat on the 777-300ER is 21" wide at 2+4+2, which is "industry-standard" for a Business Class seat (sans SQ, but they use a unique style).


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2711 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 13097 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 15):
Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 14):
That's a funny accusation to level at BA from the US, where J was stuck 3 generations behind until about 2 years ago. BA has a good product which balances passenger comfort with density to generate yield. It could probably always be improved, but US carriers are making their first inroads into a flat bed in international J, whereas BA was already there 12 or 13 years ago...

Sadly you are mostly right. But the same could be sad of your French airline and its cousin, KLM.

And another reason I don't fly AF on long haul, but at least they've had angled lie flat for 10 years. As for KLM on long haul...   



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User currently offlineGeo772 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12915 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
I still don't get the 2-3-2 config in C on the 787s and 2-4-2 config on the A380s. I read good reviews concerning BA C seats, but I don't get how these seats can be comfy, and wide enough for a true C class.

Pretty comfy in my opinion. While there will always be airlines that offer a plusher product, the BA Club World cabin is extremely good. Understated and functional, rather than flamboyant and luxurious.
I am intrigued though about what the centre seat in the 3 will be like.

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 17):
Looking at the seat map of the A380, what's with the missing seat in the centre of Y ?

That is an escape hatch for the lower crew rest compartment. You'll find the exact same thing on Singapore.



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User currently offlinescrappy27 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2008, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12796 times:

It's all good knocking BA... but many people seem to forget the fact that they were the airline that introduced the flat bed to business class... and many airlines followed suit!

User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9503 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12705 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
I still don't get the 2-3-2 config in C on the 787s and 2-4-2 config on the A380s. I read good reviews concerning BA C seats, but I don't get how these seats can be comfy, and wide enough for a true C class.

The modern seats have variable seat width. It’s wider at the seat cushion and elbows and narrower at the footwell. That is what all the latest staggered seating designs are all about. The old classic 2-3-2 recliner seats wasted a lot of space. The staggered seats reduce wasted space in the arm rests and foot area. Tray tables are also no longer stored in armrests, but rather take up space that had been for the foot area. The downside is there is far less storage space.

BA uses reverse directions to give adequate width. The Thompson seat design that most airlines are choosing on their A380s are essentially the same 8 abreast width that BA has. Each row only has 4 seats in it, but the rows are only 40’’ of pitch instead of 78’’ on BA. The general setup is that the shoulders are the widest part of the seat and lineup with the foot area of the next person’s seat.

The only high density design not using this philosophy is PreMerger United which got the width by having narrow armrests and reverse direction seats with variable aisle width (if you look down the aisle in UA, it jogs back and forth a bit).

Once you sit in the latest seats, you'll notice a tight foot area, but at elbow width, the seats are just as wide.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3187 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12651 times:

Quoting Geo772 (Reply 20):
That is an escape hatch for the lower crew rest compartment. You'll find the exact same thing on Singapore.

Thank you, didn't know that one.  



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12637 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 22):
Once you sit in the latest seats, you'll notice a tight foot area, but at elbow width, the seats are just as wide.

Roseflyer - What you say is very interesting and logical. However I wonder if the average traveller will understand ? For someone planning to fly the B787 and faced with a choice between QR's 1-2-1 and BA's 2-3-2 layout, would he or she understand these fine points you mention ?


25 Post contains links and images Heavierthanair : G'day I find the loo err.... lavatory arrangement in the economy sections of the BA A 380 leaves to be desired. There only seem to be two lavatories f
26 motorhussy : In the A380, how does one access a colleague if you're in separate Business class cabins? And, as with others, am looking forward to the seeing the en
27 Tardis : I can't wait to see the 787 in BA colours!
28 scrappy27 : Will the 787 engines be white, as in most the the already published pics?? Or can be paint them blue like the rest of the fleet??
29 deltaflyertoo : Yes I would think. Will BA sale these at a slight premium or will they be open to first come first serve at online check in like everything else? As
30 theginge : Has been mentioned on other threads, something to do with the material they are made out of, its not very easy to paint without losing some of its ae
31 LondonCity : I believe you are correct. TG and MH also have a Y class zone on the upper deck. MH's zone accommodates 70 passengers. Don't some of SQ's original A3
32 YULWinterSkies : Staircase? If through the first class, I can see the airlines being reluctant to have J pax using them, but well, it's not like J pax will spend 8 ho
33 Viscount724 : They're wide enough because of the alternating forward-backward arrangement. That permits the seat cushion to be wider since you don't need as much w
34 Atlflyer : Isn't boarding going to be a mess with so many different classes scattered on the upper and lower deck?
35 Windowseater : I'm getting a good feeling about the way BA have configured their A380s, particularly the CW cabin in the upper deck. Comparing with what's out there
36 Roseflyer : I think it may scare some people, but in the end, it is really all about seat comfort. UA's 2-4-2 does not seem good, and in reality if you are in a
37 qf002 : Definitely. It looks to me like the middle J seat in the new blocks of 3 has a nice little storage/work surface next to it. I'm definitely interested
38 Post contains images frigatebird : Only SQ's newest A380's have no Y on the upper deck. Not sure about the regs though. AF has an Y section on the upper deck as well. Was early to book
39 Post contains images LH506 : It is the worst seat out there Weren't they going to get a new seat at some point in time??
40 SKAirbus : I hope British Airways do the honourable thing and follow MH's example, not allowing families with young children to sit on the upper deck, providing
41 nimool : Any idea when will they get the delivery of their 787? i know that the A380 is due to be on service in April 2013.
42 scrappy27 : 1st 787 due to be delivered in May 2013 1st A380 due in July 2013 next additional 777-300 due September 2013
43 jumpjets : I wondered that myself - then I thought that by mixing it up on both levels it gives a more even balance [or less uneven] balance in terms of loading
44 Post contains images frigatebird : Not if the boarding pass clearly states UPPER DECK and LOWER DECK, and of course, upper and lower decks are clearly indicated on the boarding ramp. M
45 LY777 : Thanks for the explanation. I am not convinced by BA product though. I prefer by FAR the reverse herringbone seats. And I wouldn't like reverse direc
46 bwaflyer : Also featured on British Airways' A321 mid haul fleet (ex-bmi)
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