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DL Acquiring 49% In VS  
User currently offlinemindscape From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 39645 times:

Delta Air Lines is going to invest $360M in acquiring 49% stakes in Virgin Atlantic from Singapore Airlines.
Press conference in preparation ! The aim is to obtain more access into LHR, and the brand VIRGIN ATLANTIC is to remain !

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User currently offlinegdg9 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39596 times:

Wow, thought the purchase price would be higher!

http://bit.ly/URCl2O


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9264 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39579 times:

Presser is this morning at New York Palace Hotel. It'll probably be available to listen in by phone or online ... I'll probably be there, but maybe I can pass along listen and log in information if anyone is interested before I head over.

Agreement will result in 31 peak flights a day between UK and North America.

Delta will get 3 seats on the Virgin board.



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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39465 times:
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Quoting stlgph (Reply 2):
Agreement will result in 31 peak flights a day between UK and North America.

How many were there before?


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11386 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39227 times:

Well now it's official. I still struggle to see how this is worth $360M to Delta - but Delta's management seems to think they know what they're doing!  

I don't expect regulatory approval to be too much of a struggle.

Regarding implementation, I think we can expect the two carriers to rapidly move to improve the joint JFK-LHR schedule where the two do currently overlap pretty closely. I also wonder what this will do for BOS-LHR, which is a market I don't think Delta has done all that great in but which Virgin has been serving for years and years. Beyond those two direct overlap routes, for sure this will also help Delta with both U.K. and U.S. POS, and it should definitely help with corporate accounts in certain key U.S. cities (SFO, IAD, MIA) that will now have a "Delta option" to LHR - although I doubt it will have too dramatic an impact in those cities, either, where other carriers (AA, BA, UA, etc.) are far larger and more entrenched.

Should be interesting to watch ...


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39231 times:

DL did get an amazing price for the 49% stake. Hypothetically speaking, If DL were to sell all the LHR slots based on historical prices, the value would be more than $360 million. All the value appears to be in the slots. This doesn't speak well for Virgin itself.

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9264 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39212 times:

Quoting VCy (Reply 3):

still chasing down exact numbers right now.



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User currently offlineSYDSpotter From Australia, joined Oct 2012, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39168 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
Well now it's official. I still struggle to see how this is worth $360M to Delta - but Delta's management seems to think they know what they're doing!

Well SQ bought the original 49% stake for £600m (~$900m) back in the day, so they've taken a hefty hit !!
I guess for SQ it at least frees up some cash.



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User currently offlinedocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39120 times:

SQ paid GBP600 mil in 1999 - at GBP SGD exchange rates then it cost SGD1.8 bil (Today it would be SGD1.2 bil)
Today they sold it at GBP360 mil - at current USD SGD exchange rates it is SGD432 mil or just 24% of what they paid for it.

And if you factor the time value of money......


User currently offlineshilenb From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38954 times:

Does this mean that VS will now join Skyteam?

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38888 times:

Great news! Can we expect VS codeshare on KLM AMS-MAN and LHR, and AF CDG-MAN and LHR? Will VS become Flying Blue partner? I really really hope so.


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38822 times:

So something that the MEB3 won't get. Huge reorganisation for LHR terminals to come !


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User currently onlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 288 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38752 times:
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Quoting shilenb (Reply 9):
Does this mean that VS will now join Skyteam?

Yeah I am wondering the same thing. Wasnt there a post a few months ago stating that Star wanted VS?


Delta sure got a good deal.



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User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38707 times:

Quoting AirCanadaA330 (Reply 12):
Delta sure got a good deal.

Just a shame its not allowed to have 51%. If AF-KL get 2%, does that count for ownership as 51% together?



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38628 times:

Wonder if any changes at MAN or GLA, would be nice to see more flights from these in time.
What about LGW, wonder what if anything might change there...

Unlike SQ who didn´t really take much interest in VS? I think Delta will be very hands
on. Long term I wonder if Virgin will get bought out completely...?



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User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1772 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38339 times:

So now will they be adding the VS logo to all those DL/AF/KL signs at the airport gates?

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11386 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38232 times:

Quoting rj777 (Reply 15):
So now will they be adding the VS logo to all those DL/AF/KL signs at the airport gates?

I'm not clear on whether Virgin will actually be joining the existing Delta-Air France-KLM JV, let alone SkyTeam, or just a separate JV with just Delta. I would think they would be included in the existing JV, but it doesn't seem clear from the press release.


User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38170 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 13):
If AF-KL get 2%, does that count for ownership as 51% together?

The other 51% is held by Virgin Group, which is not on the stock markets so they would need to manage to get Richard Branson to free that up, which I doubt he will allow...

I wonder how Air France and KLM feel, as it potentially means this new tie up will take traffic away from their AMS and CDG hubs on routes to America. Especially now Virgin are going into the domestic market, they could attract customers from EDI, ABD and MAN to fly through LHR and on to a Delta flight.

Also I wonder if this will mean VS becoming a member of SkyTeam, or just a DL Partner?

As I imagine SkyTeam members in Europe will not be too keen in competing with another member of the group to destinations in Asia and Africa, they already fly... Also VS will not bring a great deal to the party, offering no feeders in Europe to other SkyTeam hubs and just duplicating many routes, flown from FCO, PRG, CDG and AMS.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 38050 times:

Press release from DL out: http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1822

Highlights of the agreement include:

• A fully integrated joint venture that will operate on a "metal neutral" basis with both airlines sharing the costs and revenues from all joint venture flights.
• A combined trans-Atlantic network between the United Kingdom and North America with 31 peak-day round-trip flights.
• Enhanced benefits for customers including cooperation on services between New York and London, with a combined total of nine daily round-trip flights from London-Heathrow to John F. Kennedy International Airport and Newark Liberty International Airport.
• Reciprocal frequent flyer benefits.
• Shared access to Delta Sky Club and Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse airport lounges for elite passengers.

The last item looks great!  



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37980 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 14):

Id say its less likely with everything getting funnelled through LHR


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4861 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37925 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 16):
I'm not clear on whether Virgin will actually be joining the existing Delta-Air France-KLM JV, let alone SkyTeam, or just a separate JV with just Delta. I would think they would be included in the existing JV, but it doesn't seem clear from the press release.

I may be wrong, but I believe it's a new JV just between DL and VS - otherwise they would have mentioned the AF-KL-AZ JV in the press release; the press release also says "new joint venture". What this probably means is that the DL-operated flights to LHR (which currently carry the KL code as well), will now have KL and VS as codeshare partners, while the VS-operated LHR flights will only have DL as codeshare partner (not KL or AF).


User currently offlineLGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2348 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 37892 times:

So with DL now having the 49% of Virgin, do you think there will be much change outside LHR, or any at all?

Also I wonder if DL should have stayed at LGW just a little longer...?



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11386 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37720 times:

Quoting panamair (Reply 20):
I may be wrong, but I believe it's a new JV just between DL and VS - otherwise they would have mentioned the AF-KL-AZ JV in the press release; the press release also says "new joint venture". What this probably means is that the DL-operated flights to LHR (which currently carry the KL code as well), will now have KL and VS as codeshare partners, while the VS-operated LHR flights will only have DL as codeshare partner (not KL or AF).

True - that would make sense given the press release. Interesting to see how that is handled, though, with the proprietary information sharing and everything else, given that Delta would then essentially have two different - and, ultimately, competing - JVs both "operating" the same flight.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4406 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37488 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
I think we can expect the two carriers to rapidly move to improve the joint JFK-LHR schedule where the two do currently overlap pretty closely. I also wonder what this will do for BOS-LHR,

And I wonder if this means they'll end EWR-LHR.

Quoting shilenb (Reply 9):
Does this mean that VS will now join Skyteam?

Would seem to make sense that they would, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.


User currently offlineanstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5146 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 37378 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 13):
Just a shame its not allowed to have 51%. If AF-KL get 2%, does that count for ownership as 51% together?

Bransons stake was never up for sale.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 23):

And I wonder if this means they'll end EWR-LHR.

I would presume VS will continue to operate from that market as they have done for the last 28 years! They have just opened a brand new lounge there less than a month ago.


25 avek00 : If VS is not brought into the existing Skyteam TATL JV, I expect the latter to be modified to create a "carve out" for LHR/LGW such that the SkyTeam
26 tjwgrr : Supplemental flights on VS from LHR to ATL and DTW someday? Similar to what KLM does at times from AMS?
27 DTWPurserBoy : It is interesting that this provides DL with another shot at LGW. The potential for domestic feed from DL to VS is excellent and gives Skyteam partner
28 Triple7X : That is a pretty low price....considering how much did SIA paid in the past for the shares
29 LJ : I don't think it's pretty much clear as DL and VS have a metal neutral JV and DL control 49% of VS. They probably won't mind as there aren't so many
30 9VSIO : I can't believe SQ let it go at such a low price.
31 stlgph : for schedule, summer 2013, DAL @ 10, VAL @ 21.
32 Post contains images N62NA : *Past performance is no guarantee of the future.... But, anyway, it was announced just a little while ago that they will keep their EWR service.
33 cosyr : Who will be moving where at LHR? There is not enough room at Terminal 4 for VS, and as it is now, there is not enough room at Terminal 3 for DL, unles
34 LGWflyer : As much as I'd love them to come back here, I expect they most likely won't soon as they are only focused for LHR (and made it pretty clear). I do wo
35 globalflyer : If all but SkyTeam airlines left T4 at LHR and swapped with VS into T3 would that leave enough room? Also I would LOVE to see VS metal on some DL hubs
36 skipness1E : What would change at LGW with DL and VS codesharing? It would make no difference to the bottom line except on LAS and MCO. It's not as if VS feed LGW,
37 ual777uk : As expected SRB is not giving up control of his Baby, that was never going to happen. I would like to see the small print in this deal. Is VS actually
38 STT757 : DL has recently added EWR-CDG and EWR-AMS. Bringing in VS's EWR-LHR obviously rounds out their international portfolio at EWR giving them 4 daily Tran
39 nwcoflyer : I agree- DL management has done some real out side the box things lately. From the oil refinery to this, they never cease to amaze me. They have also
40 N62NA : I noted that it was mentioned in their official announcement that they will be keeping EWR (for now), so not sure why you posted what you did. Here's
41 shilenb : AA will never move from T3 as this does not agree for Heathrow's plan to have alliance members under 1 terminal
42 AF185 : I agree, I think DL-VS will mostly capture the London market from all over the US, while the AF-KL-DL-AZ JV will keep focusing on both P2P and connec
43 anstar : SQ bought at a PEAK - it was also a time that LHR was alot more closed and restricted and everyone thought LHR was profitable regardless. Things have
44 GCT64 : The TATL JV situation seems to be possibly getting quite complex and untidy. So DL could easily have a TATL JV with AF/KL offering JFK-EDI (via AMS)
45 Post contains links STT757 : With the addition of VS DL's EWR-Trans-Atlantic portfolio is impressive, four daily! Not too many (any?) cities in the US can claim to have four daily
46 skipness1E : So will Virgin still be the anchor tennant in th STAR terminal at LHR now? Oh wait that was last week's plan! Will we see them in T4? Nope, no room. S
47 seansasLCY : According to the current webcast Delta will seek to colocate with VS at T3.
48 anstar : Domestic flights will operate from T2 from 2014.
49 questions : DL has been trying for the past few years to be hipper than AA and UA, e.g., new Sky Club designs and IFE. Seems that they could use a little help fro
50 Post contains images GCT64 : I seem to recall that was last week's plan from VS, I'm not certain BAA ever even publicly acknowledged VS' plan/desire for the new T2/1! Anyway, the
51 slinky09 : Just been announced that VS domestic will move from T1 to T2 in 2014 and DL have said that they're aiming to move from T4 to T3 to be with VS long ha
52 777 : Guess how happy may be AF after this move that creates direct conflict with the already existing TATL JV.
53 slcdeltarumd11 : I would love to see a SLC-LHR with a 767-300 if they have extra slots in the distant future....fingers crossed I would have to think this means an eve
54 a300 american : What does this do (if anything) to DL wanting to "buy" AA? My first reaction would be that would put their buying in jeopardy. Thoughts?
55 etops1 : First of all , Delta does not wan to buy AA . Where did you get that from ?
56 GCT64 : That's not really a "move" as T1 will disappear and large tracts of it absorbed into T2. T1 will close and T2 will open but many of the gates will be
57 Post contains links GCT64 : Delta Trying To Buy AA? (by blueman87 Aug 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)? But IIRC it was never a really viable plan and wasn't taken seriously here[Edite
58 a300 american : Whooops, my bad, it's USAirways I was thinking about. No need to jump down anyone's throat.
59 brilondon : I just flew on VS and am hoping that it would be influencing the way things are done at DL, although they seem to have the better service than the ot
60 michiganatc : What does this mean for DL and VS employees? Do you think DL employees will be able to fly on VS for free? I'm assuming no. I bet it will be something
61 cessna2 : This is great news! Bye bye AA RDU-LHR....Hello DL RDU-LHR/CDG
62 etops1 : I hope DL cabin crews don't get the shaft with this . They are non union . DL could easily have VA take over their LHR flts with VA crews . DL FA have
63 jmw99ttu : Why would this end AA's RDU-LHR route? Did GSK end their contract with AA for this route?
64 Post contains images commavia : Why would this have any impact on that? No way. DL places value and strategic importance on having its brand present at LHR. If anything this enhance
65 panamair : From the just-ended press conference, AF-KL have been supportive of this deal. And there are indications from all sides that this will eventually fol
66 cessna2 : Delta has been trying to take the contract for years. But the lack of connections in LHR with DL made it an issue. So DL decided to start up CDG. AA
67 DTWPurserBoy : Another union vote is in the works. This news will just add fuel to the fire. Look for IAM to represent the f/a's in the not-too-distant future. The
68 commavia : Respectfully, I think that's ridiculous. DL would only pick up RDU-LHR if AA decided they no longer wanted the market. A large portion of that flight
69 EddieDude : Yes, I would imagine that the JV agreements among DL, AF-KL and AZ will need to be amended. That is interesting. I suppose VS and DL would want to us
70 NYCAdvantage : Since you bring this up, I wonder if DL/VS would add another EWR-LHR do you think it would affect the O/D LHR traffic on UA? Today's Delta's manageme
71 skipness1E : Why? Delta's move into T3 won't go down well I suspect. It's a tip in comparison to T4! All very jolly if you're premium but for the rest of us, not
72 Triple7LR : I guess we will see SEA-LHR. RA hinted it would be the next international destination from SEA when DL announced SEA-HND and SEA-PVG.
73 EddieDude : Frankly, this makes a lot of sense for everyone. I would not be surprised if AF-KL would make a move to acquire all or part of Branson's stake furthe
74 FlyDeltaJets : I see a JV creating more flights from the US on DL to connect with the VS presence in the UK. I don't see how this will lead to reduction of DL F/A w
75 Kleiner : How does this play out on routes? I assume some non-hub flights are cut due to redundancy? Does this mean VS metal will change to DL on some routes, a
76 Tardis : Great news for Delta! I wonder how this will changes things at Virgin??
77 Revelation : DL can't own more than 49% of VA, and Branson controls 51% of VA, so the slots won't be changing hands, they'll just be utilized to maximize the prof
78 MSPNWA : $360m is a lot to risk on a small, currently unprofitable airline. Can this purchase turn VS around? We'll see.
79 tommy767 : Jesus H Christ Delta, you continue to impress me! Since EWR was praised in the official DL.com press release, I sincerely doubt it. However since EWR-
80 N62NA : That wouldn't surprise me at all. VS "leaving" EWR in that manner.
81 Post contains links fpetrutiu : Now on CNN as well: http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/11/news...rgin-airlines/index.html?hpt=hp_t3[Edited 2012-12-11 11:36:48]
82 tommy767 : I mean, would they "leave" or would it just be codeshared on DL metal? I must say, DL's new check in lobby at Terminal B is pretty sharp. It can easi
83 N62NA : Let's put it this way: It wouldn't surprise me that a VS airplane would not be visiting EWR.
84 Post contains links TeamInTheSky : Hi All, A late night of work is ahead for me here in London because I have been distracted by this news, but I do want to flavor in a couple of commen
85 Mir : That's not nearly enough capacity for that route. Why waste the airplane on a route that is already well served with VS's larger aircraft? DL's JV st
86 sqsfo : WIth this deal going thru, VS/DL could be the major superpower across the pond into UK(specifically LHR). I wonder if DL/VS will try to improve or bui
87 Prost : Perhaps the slots can be finessed where an additional flight from EWR is provided with a DL 767, supplementing the VS flight. This is all hypothesis,
88 panamair : BA/AA will still be the major 'superpower' between the US and LHR, but this deal does put both VS and DL in a better competitive position vis-a-vis B
89 PHX787 : Questions....with this 49% stake in VS, would DL be allowed to fleet-transfer a/c from VS to DL, and vice versa? Will this increase VS service to citi
90 FlyCaledonian : If DL applied for the second BOS-LHR again, it could allow VS to discontinue its own LHR-BOS flight as you say and launch another flight elsewhere. T
91 yellowtail : TIme to turn their attention south......time to set up shop in MIA if you ask me (as all the major latin partners have gone to one world or *A)
92 mah4546 : You do realize that lack of connections is still an issue, right? Are you seriously trying to compare BA's LHR network with that of another carrier?
93 LHRFlyer : Which raises an interesting question. Apart from JFK there's little overlap between Delta and Virgin's network. I'm sure Delta would like to add more
94 STT757 : I doubt VS would leave EWR, for starters EWR is a premium route for VS with two daily flights. The only other cities with two or more VS flights to L
95 N62NA : 4 of the 9 flights on that route are 757s, so apparently larger aircraft aren't a requirement for success on EWR-LHR. VS only has 2 flights on EWR-LH
96 cmf : Isn't it ironic how an airline that complained about SRB and other non Americans owning too much of a US airline is now owning much more of SRB's air
97 clrd4t8koff : I can't imagine why VS, who is an established carrier on the BOS-LHR sector, would want to give up a premium TA route like that only to establish the
98 QANTASvJet : schedule 1 DL buys 49% of VS & they do codeshare deal 2 VS applies, and is allowed, to join the DL/AF-KLM anti-trust immunity deal. AF-KLM buy som
99 Post contains images Viscount724 : UA paid $400 million in 1990 (equivalent to about $700 million today) for Pan Am's LHR routes. And AA paid about $555 million (equivalent to $940 mil
100 LDVAviation : Yup, there is only one network airline at LHR and only one alliance will have a true hub there.
101 AusA380 : Now that a US airline has purchased up to 49% of a major airline in a 1st world country, will this trigger some thinking of allowing the rest of the w
102 brilondon : I can only see this as a plus for people who are connecting through LHR. I personally don't care but I can see how not going to CDG would be positive
103 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Congrats UA/Star on suddenly becoming the third-run in LHR Transatlantic; I wonder what their next move will be... True, but this gives Skyteam a good
104 brilondon : Was there not something about EI flying domestically for VS on these threads, although I can't see it being like a feeder to LHR unless there is goin
105 Mir : When you throw United into the mix, you're going to have lots of 757s, yes. "The businessman" is probably going to be flying on United EWR-LHR. DL's
106 FlyCaledonian : Well the aim of the JV is to be metal neutral, so costs and profits of all flights UK-USA will be shared between VS and DL. My hypothetical suggestio
107 usdcaguy : Not likely, as long as the Democrats are in charge of the Senate and White House. Why in the world should they enact more flexible legislation when i
108 Post contains images N62NA : Yep - though they have 2 flights already - adding another 1 or 2 in the evening would give them a fighting chance. I try to steer clear of politics o
109 Post contains images BD338 : Connections from LHR - are limited to UK destinations only. Per the fact sheet on the DL Newsroom site. Connections to european destinations are hand
110 Prost : My understanding is the US can mobile the civil fleet of airlines for use in times of war, and that flexibility for readiness might be taken away if
111 AusA380 : But if the airline is still 50.1% US owned with majority US Citizens on the board, why would the board allow plane to leave the country in the time o
112 mayor : It was possible back in the 90s when DL and VS had their codeshare tie up. Things have changed, since,though, when trying to fly with Skyteam and JV
113 FlyKev : Never saw this coming but I think VS is an excellent fit for the new Delta and I look forward to seeing this joint venture in action and I hope it mak
114 Post contains images MaverickM11 : It's ridiculous; AF's unions are the ones that should be throwing the tantrum since DL has picked up half their US flying
115 delimit : While this doesn't much strengthen DL/SkyTeam for LHR fliers vs. BA, it does nicely add to their bargaining power for anyone that wants to fly to Lon
116 dank : SFO is double daily on VS most of the year.
117 olddominion727 : I bet we'll see VS SEA-LHR not too long after the tie-up. Does DL still fly MIA-LON? Does VS? I bet we see that condensed to one and the other's code
118 notdownnlocked : I would guess 100% NO!!! Used to be all flights codeshared with a DL number were free to employees just as if flying on DL. Back then I flew VS Upper
119 rwy04lga : Definitely not free! It would probably be similar to the AF/KL JV fares. Lower than ZED-low fares. In 2009, I flew AF 773 CDG-JFK for $46 (plus taxes
120 EddieDude : Good point. MQMs accrual should be possible. Other DL non-SkyTeam "alliance" partners allow that, right? I am talking about AS, HA and VA specificall
121 DeltaMD90 : Most people are so clueless when it comes to JVs. I mean look at some of the replies, "DL not going to fly to LHR anymore so the FAs are gonna get pi
122 N62NA : I'm not so sure that would work too well at JFK and EWR as DL really doesn't have such an extensive domestic network out of those (though they do hav
123 delimit : Works out of JFK for a number of destinations, unless the VS flight arrives after the DL connection bank. Should offer a few connections out of BOS a
124 DTWLAX : First of all, congratulations to Delta for striking such an amazing deal. DL, with this JV with VS, is now a major player in the US-UK market. Another
125 FlyASAGuy2005 : Just somthing I found. I'm betting DL is pushing hard for a VA-SkyTeam knot.
126 danielkandi : Sorry i cant read through all of this and make sense of it. but does this mean flying blue members will eventually get to earn points, or only delta c
127 delimit : I would guess just DL until VS decides to join SkyTeam.
128 Post contains links VV701 : Not really likely. Last winter (2011-12) BA/AA offered 60 per cent of the scheduled seats between LHR and all North American destinations. Between th
129 PHX787 : So there's some speculation then that VS could end up ordering more Boeing planes?
130 Post contains images Deltal1011man : doesn't matter. VS won't join star with a DL JV. VS will very likely end up in the AF/KL/DL/AZ JV and SkyTeam. not likely on the first one, likely on
131 PHX787 : What's the probability of that happening, and what kinds of leases? like, which a/c to who and vice versa? This is a very curious acquisition to me
132 mayor : First of all, this isn't really an "acquisition" at all. It's a proposal for a codeshare, JV and hopefully, membership in Skyteam. They acquired 49%
133 danielkandi : god I hope they join Skyteam! Before my australia 4city tour in April plz!!!
134 MSPNWA : About all I see in this is DL spending $360 million to bolster the NYC-LON market. Very little of the VS network conflicts with DL. So DL isn't elimin
135 Post contains images mayor : I often wonder why you aren't sitting in DL's boardroom.
136 Post contains images questions : That's Alaska Airlines... he's in the Sky Club.
137 Post contains images viscount630 : Hopefully DL will take the opportunity to pick up some valuable customer service tips from VS, so that they can try and re-educate their notoriously r
138 Post contains images mayor : I think I'll call BS on this one
139 EddieDude : That, I don't know. For the time being, VS has outstanding orders for A330s and 787s, no? I am sorry to disappoint you, but it is an acquisition. It
140 anstar : Surely VS would also like to try and get some of the US-India.South Africa traffic connecting at LHR too from DL? Not A330's - they have all been del
141 mayor : When I think of an acquisition, I think of them acquiring controlling interest in the airline or the airline, themselves. To me, this is just paying
142 dank : I'd agree. If there wasn't a 51% shareholder out there, then DL likely would have control, but at the end of the day... Some of the comments suggest
143 CapEd388 : Thank you! Can you please help me teach some sense to the people on Virgin Atlanitc's facebook. I have been trying to teach them on what this deal is
144 Post contains images Deltal1011man : They have 787s on order. In this case nothing. Delta wont be taking any VS planes and VS wont be getting any Delta planes. but in theory Delta could
145 Post contains images LifelinerOne : And for A380's.... Cheers!
146 slinky09 : VS launches short haul flying on March 31 next year.
147 Dano1977 : I hate rain on peoples parades. All of the above is just speculation until the necessary regulatory approvals have been rubber stamped. Although I'm s
148 DTWPurserBoy : I could not agree more. A "Braniff International" type route structure out of MIA would be logical with routes to LIM, GYE, UIO, EZE, SCL, PTY, LPB a
149 LJ : Maybe also on Skyteams timetable: - EY buying into 9W and/or IT (whatever will happen) - EY buying into a curently unknown airline which is up for sa
150 questions : How might DL and VS use "metal neutral" to their advantage? How might capacity be adjusted? Which new routes could be added?
151 LDVAviation : And, how successful was BMI at that before they ceased to exist?
152 MaverickM11 : To what, two destinations? VS doesn't offer anything that AF/KL/DL didn't offer before, in terms of connectivity over LON. This is really about getti
153 Pu : This is overwhelmingly about Delta picking up premium NYC flyers. ...and a little bit about Delta skimming premium fliers from BOS, ORD, LAX. Despite
154 EddieDude : Thank you! You are free to think of acquisitions any way you like. That does not change the fact that this deal involves an acquisition which, as I h
155 skipness1E : VS short haul is to three destinations, ABZ, EDI and MAN. If they are serious I would expect GLA to follow, if not, I would expect these slots to go t
156 anstar : And what long haul network were BMI feeding? Others - not their own. At least VS (like BA) will be feeding shorthaul pax onto their own long haul fli
157 Post contains images VS11 : Ever thought of why DL is getting a share of VS? It is not really necessary for the JV to happen...but if this entire effort is to be profitable, the
158 mayor : Perhaps you should discuss this little "detail" with SRB, himself and see what his take is on it.
159 LDVAviation : It is unclear that the flights VS is adding will give it the traffic flows it needs to sustain a long haul network, which is currently unprofitable.
160 anstar : It has only been unprofitable for something like 2 or 3 years out of its 28 year hsitory. But the BMI brand was never really established overseas...
161 AAIL86 : Well this is certainly a good move by DL and VS, offering a potential of significant benefits for both. Right now DL is not a major player on NYC-LON
162 rwy04lga : That WAS my backup plan.
163 DeltaMD90 : Which is why I'm pretty sure DL isn't going to "pull something sneaky." It's not like the union vote was a landslide No Well, I am not mistaken, with
164 LHRFlyer : The £80m loss was an operating loss. Capital expenditure does not get charged to the profit and loss account - it is depreciated over its useful eco
165 VS11 : Well, even if the loss is operating, I don't think it is so dire as everyone makes it out. Shocking as it may sound, I wouldn't be surprised if the l
166 ocracoke : Since the LHR slots that DL uses are all from AF/KL, and one of the reasons that AF/KL even gave LHR slots to DL in the first place was to get DL to f
167 mayor : Ok....explain this to me......DL is using the two slots they got from AF/KL to fly out of LHR, BUT do the ROUTES (LHR-JFK) belong to AF/KL or is DL a
168 ocracoke : I don't know. If I were to guess (dangerous), I'd say that AF/KL have a say-so as to how and where DL were going to use their slots. It was AF that t
169 cv880 : VX was started by Fred Reid, an ex-Deltoid. The DOT required VX to sever ties with Reid to get an operating certificate.
170 mayor : Ex LH, too. While at DL, he was one of Leo Mullin's boys, so you can make of that what you will. Actually, I believe that whoever organized VX, hired
171 FlyDeltaJets : I see this agreement bringing additonal trans-atlantic flights to LHR to enhance connections from there. I don't see what DL crews would have to fear
172 delimit : It's a JV. AF/KL have a say in all of the operations covered under the scope of the JV. The slots are besides the point. I mean, that's the whole poi
173 EddieDude : This is metal neutral. It really does not matter if DL uses its planes or if AF, KL or AZ use their planes. Any flights operated by any one of those
174 mayor : The reason I wondered is that AF/KL & AZ do not fly LHR to the U.S. Since they do not, why would the JV apply to this route? I'm talking of the e
175 delimit : The JV is for all transatlantic flying by all of the partners.
176 EddieDude : The current DL - AF-KL, AZ Joint Venture applies to all their flights between North America and Europe.
177 LJ : and AFAIK India as well.... Will be interesting if the DL-VS joint venture will also include India.
178 EddieDude : Good point. Questions: Is DL still flying to India from AMS? Could VS launch more LHR-India flights in cooperation with DL? The more and more I think
179 LJ : Yes, DL operates AMS-BOM. However, I doubt VS will increase India flying as LHR - India is already well served and probably not as lucrative as other
180 NYCAdvantage : One question I have could DL and VS have another JV from LHR-NRT? Since VS code share with ANA they could grow there too I'm shure DL can find some go
181 LX138 : Whilst it's good that VS are pursuing expansion opportunities, together with the stake sale, out of all carriers I get nervous when I hear it's DL. I'
182 bobnwa : Why would Delta want to do this since all expenses and profits are split evenly?What would they gain?
183 mayor : And, WHAT would you be basing this on? Most of us would just call this conservative. Again, what are you basing this assertion, on? Think about this.
184 jetlanta : You clearly have an ancient idea of what Delta is about. In fact, most Americans would argue precisely the opposite of what you have here. Of the U.S
185 mayor : I especially have no idea where THIS statement comes from:
186 jetlanta : I guess if his view is based on the Delta of the 1990s, I could understand. But certainly no the Richard Anderson-led, post-merger Delta. Quite the o
187 brilondon : I am not against flying through LHR. I know I am in the minority here but when I do fly on business, I don't really have a preference of whom I fly.
188 rwy04lga : Nervous? Why? Dirty hands? PLEASE, explain THAT one! Where in creation did you dig THAT up from? FYI...DL has their own refinery and were the first w
189 DeltaMD90 : Have you been under a rock the past 4 years? They made some mistakes in the past, but I cannot in the life of me get what you're talking about. Even
190 tommy767 : I think DL realizes that they want to be top dog in NYC and in order to capitalize on the catchement area, they need to include some routes out of EW
191 enilria : The most likely new route is SEA-LHR. I was surprised to see that on AS.com you cannot buy a London ticket via code share. I think DTW gets 2x. I thin
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