factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1513 posts, RR: 0 Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3561 times:
Lufthansa announced a surprise move today with the opening of BER-AMS. This route may prove a strategic move to expand BER's North American connections on LH - in addition DUS, MUC & FRA - leading to ultimately direct BER-USA flights once Brandenburg is opened and traffic has grown sufficiently. Ofcourse the ever growing O&D traffic will be the main driver.
airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4386 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 3538 times:
Quoting factsonly (Thread starter): KLM operates the route 6x/day in Summer, and EZY operates 2x day (3x Mon&Fri S13). Surprisingly LH was absent from this route thus far.
AB operated TXL-AMS twice daily on F100 and B737-400/700/800 equipment and failed to become successful even with the EUR 29 oneway fares (all-in).
HV operated AMS-TXL-AMS but was not succesfull but now changed the flight originating from EIN instead, with lower operating costs.
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
LH has tried this route in the past, and it failed. Don't see why it will be a succes this time (moreover a s the train and car are good alternatives).
Quoting factsonly (Thread starter): The route creates interesting connecting possibilities on LH codeshares to EWR, IAD, IAH and ORD operated by UA.
However, this is a backtrack and unless fares are good I don't see many transfer at TXL. Moreover, UA will probably want this traffic going directly on their flights as they don't offer anything ex TXl which they don't ex AMS.
joost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2709 times:
Quoting LJ (Reply 4): However, this is a backtrack and unless fares are good I don't see many transfer at TXL. Moreover, UA will probably want this traffic going directly on their flights as they don't offer anything ex TXl which they don't ex AMS.
I guess Factsonly meant that LH can now offer TXL-AMS-IAD as an alternative to TXL-FRA-IAD. So no backtracking here.
As LH and UA are metal-neutral accross the Atlantic, this can be attractive for LH+UA. Especially when the additional passengers would enable UA/LH to upgauge the 757s from AMS to 767s.
This practice is already common for LH bookings from HAM. For example, I did a random search on lufthansa.com HAM-IAH, and the cheapest option turned out to be HAM-AMS-IAH.