Wingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 216 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 40087 times:
American Airlines' first 777-300ER is currently on it's delivery flight enroute from Everett/KPAE to KDFW at this hour. Flight Aware shows N717AN is 40 minutes out.
AA announced the delivery both in-house and with a press release, noting that the aircraft is arriving without the traditional AA livery, stating that it will enter service in a new livery.
So stay tuned; the wait is almost over for the new image.
Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4240 posts, RR: 29 Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 40156 times:
I highly doubt it will be sporting the new livery.
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4240 posts, RR: 29 Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39992 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):
I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.
Wingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 40016 times:
Maybe it's a teaser, but here's a quote from an internal employee publication:
American's 777-300ER, delivered without the traditional American livery, marks the beginning of the airline's brand new fleet type and points toward the airline's future. The livery will be applied as part of preparations to put the new aircraft into service. Inside, the cabin is configured with three classes, featuring lie-flat seats in First and Business Class.
Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
rj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1471 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39951 times:
Quoting Wingtips56 (Thread starter): AA announced the delivery both in-house and with a press release, noting that the aircraft is arriving without the traditional AA livery, stating that it will enter service in a new livery.
Ok, then if that's the case, then where's the AA press release? I see a Boeing press release without a photo and that's it!
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4240 posts, RR: 29 Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39895 times:
It obviously won't be delivered in the old livery. Doesn't mean it will be much more than a blank canvas for the new one, though.
Wingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39735 times:
No bare metal showing, though I suppose there could be a temporary sealer on it.
Yes, this could all be a tease, and they'll just roll it out in the current livery, but why have to strip that off before applying any livery over the traditional bare metal?
Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39640 times:
Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4): I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.
No, it is not.
While a lot of the heavier work has been done with regards to the restructuring, AA is still not completely out of the woods yet. They have to have a re-modernization plan set in stone moving forward, and an unknown portion is hinged on whether or not it will entail a merger with US. The re-branding has to take all of that into account.
I understand that ideally while most of us were expecting this to all be wrapped up by this month (December 2012), that is not going to be the case any longer. We'll have to wait a bit more...
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4240 posts, RR: 29 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39623 times:
deltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 39430 times:
It just flew over me. Looks beautiful with no paint job
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 38751 times:
jpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4240 posts, RR: 29 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 38679 times:
The new 737 will begin flying much sooner. I doubt they want to have an unbranded airplane flying around.
Independence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 38623 times:
Saw it land by sheer chance at 5:36PM local time.
Taxied over to the east hanger (former Delta) and that's the last I saw of it.
"In general, pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes." - John Ruskin
Independence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 165 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 35982 times:
PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4959 posts, RR: 14 Reply 25, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 36689 times:
Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 9): It obviously won't be delivered in the old livery. Doesn't mean it will be much more than a blank canvas for the new one, though.
Basically this confirms there's a new livery then if it wasn't delivered in polished.
N243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1491 posts, RR: 21 Reply 28, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 35092 times:
Quoting aa77w (Reply 26): Is that another plane trailing the 77W in the video or is it part of the plane? If it's another a/c why is it there?
I don't see any other plane. You may be seeing the wingtip lights at the beginning and thinking they're a different plane, but that's because the outboard section of the wing blends in with the sky color at first.
Also keep in mind that DFW uses 18R, 17C and 17L concurrently for parallel landings...you may be seeing something I'm not seeing and mistaking it for a plane in trail.
allegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 29, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 34715 times:
At the end of this video (that American Airlines put together) around 2:17 towards the end the show a tail coverd by some type of cloth,than they peal it away attempting to unviel the Tail....AA sure is trying to Tease us with it
4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 63 posts, RR: 0 Reply 30, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 34582 times:
This new 777-300ER will in fact be sporting a new livery.
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2147 posts, RR: 1 Reply 31, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 34696 times:
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8581 posts, RR: 8 Reply 36, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 32214 times:
Someone from AA would have to clear this up, but I believe AA can only paint at TUL. I know DWH doesn't, or didn't when it was Delta's, have any paint bays. So point is, this bird will have to leave Dallas, unless AA has paint bays that I don't know about.
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Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8581 posts, RR: 8 Reply 39, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 31481 times:
starrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 91 posts, RR: 0 Reply 41, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 31170 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 39): I wouldn't see why they couldn't, but i couldn't see why they would. IMHO seem like a big waste of money.
Depends on how much they want to make a big bang with the launch... They might view it as being worth the cost (or the cost of the vinyl comes out of the marketing budget)
SixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 275 posts, RR: 2 Reply 42, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 30923 times:
I bet they paint the first plane at a secret location, not in house.
Air Canada did this prior to unveiling the green tail white fuselage scheme of the 90s.
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.
Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.
petera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 323 posts, RR: 0 Reply 43, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 30005 times:
Maybe the 1st to be painted in AA / USAirways hybrid color scheme!
N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0 Reply 44, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29134 times:
Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36): Someone from AA would have to clear this up, but I believe AA can only paint at TUL. I know DWH doesn't, or didn't when it was Delta's, have any paint bays. So point is, this bird will have to leave Dallas, unless AA has paint bays that I don't know about.
AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.
777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 355 posts, RR: 0 Reply 46, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 26151 times:
As a former AA employee (Current UA), I really do hope AA is able to re-brand themselves and become a terrific carrier again. I can remember when I started at AA, things were starting to go downhill. Then, near the end of my time, they were bad! (but not as bad as recently).
That's a really awesome thing for you to say . Some people on here all they do is bash the other carrier that's not doing so hot at the moment . Best wishes to ll of you over at UA
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4280 posts, RR: 36 Reply 51, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 25228 times:
Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42): The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.
I remember that! But someone did eventually publish a picture, grainy and from a distance, but no one believed it.
It wasn't until Hollis Harris called the photographer a "spoil sport" (or was it "party pooper") that everyone started to believe it really was the new livery.
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Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?
Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.
blink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5430 posts, RR: 19 Reply 53, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24776 times:
Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):
Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.
I keep envisioning a light/translucent glaze in that blue hue all over the AA fuselage with an effect similar to AC, but I think that would have happened already at Boeing. Who knows, maybe AA has been secretly installing painting facilities in the DFW mx base.
Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
JAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1191 posts, RR: 1 Reply 54, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 24623 times:
Quoting Independence76 (Reply 24): The interior, while upgraded, does seem a bit lacking to me.
Seems a bit bland doesn't it? A lot of light colored plastic and plain bulk heads.
deltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 1 Reply 55, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23807 times:
Does anyone know if the plane is inside DWH now? I just flew out of DFW and I didn't see the plane outside or on the west ramps.
jetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 388 posts, RR: 5 Reply 56, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 23368 times:
Yesterday in MIA I saw this plane and did an immediate double-take, at first not liking the red white and blue bottom portion of the tail, and then being relieved to see it was not the new AA. I really hope AA has a very classy looking Eagle on the tail.
dtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1415 posts, RR: 2 Reply 57, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22191 times:
It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?
YYZBound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0 Reply 59, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21889 times:
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):
It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?
The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.
Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.
Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 61, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21234 times:
Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53): Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?
Yeah, that's nothing more than an amateur rendering, although a few people have ran with it claiming that it's an official rendering of the next AA livery - which it's not.
Quoting N737AA (Reply 44): As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.
Based on comments by senior management, it seems a new livery is on the way. Although that doesn't necessarily mean it will be introduced on either of the first two 77Ws.
JeffinMass From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 62, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 20323 times:
I wonder what it costs AA to paint the B777 versus Boeing. Perhaps AA thinks they can keep the new livery under their own wraps until their big hurrah, Will AA be painting all their B777-300ERs or will Boeing be doing that? After all AA has a huge fleet to paint eventually along with the US Airways fleet. At $300 million a piece at MSRP (lol) AA is treating their new B777-300ER with kid gloves. I don't blame them. Kind of like a new car.
LMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 64, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 17505 times:
Quoting ckfred (Reply 2): So, AA maintenance is going to paint the plane, rather than Boeing?
AA M&E does not have the capability to paint the aircraft. Unless they plan to finish it with rollers. Or the final markings are all decals in whioch case they can do it.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 66, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16130 times:
As a sidenote, August 1968 photo at LAX of the first AA aircraft, 720B N7528A, to appear in the current livery. At the time of the photo it was still experimental, but about the only change was the addition of the eagle logo on the tail. In my opinion it still looks good 44 years later. Photo from Jon Proctor's excellent website (jonproctor.net) with hundreds of photos (among other things), mostly from the 50s/60s/70s.
817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 1404 posts, RR: 1 Reply 67, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15769 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 44): As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.
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44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0 Reply 70, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14069 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 69): Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.
Looking at the interior images, I think they made a HUGE step in improving the hard product, - it looks amazing, better than I expected! I'm anxiously looking forward to the inaugural flight!
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8581 posts, RR: 8 Reply 71, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 13205 times:
Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42): The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.
Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.
just a note, a guy at a MRO can put it out there just as easy as someone at AA..... Not like they don't have internet or cameras
Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.
I didn't really think about it, but i guess with AA's livery being so simple (and rolled on) it doesn't need paint bays. (like Delta who sprays and would need true paint bays like the 3 bays in Atlanta.)
I do believe I am right that DWH didn't have any bays like the ones in TOC 3 in ATL. (but i can't really remember)
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2096 posts, RR: 10 Reply 73, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12047 times:
Quoting WROORD (Reply 69): Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.
And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
LDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 751 posts, RR: 5 Reply 74, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11773 times:
Quoting YYZBound (Reply 59): The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.
Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.
Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*
Iridescent? I ventured in the first thread on this subject that the base coat lends itself quite nicely to platinum decals for the titles and the Eagle logo. (Think back to the now defunct SilverJet for what that might look like.) Specifically with the titles, I am thinking outlined in platinum with blue as the infill color.
As to the retro influence, it is already apparent in the design of the First Class Cabin. AA means to reinvent itself by re-imagining its streamline moderne past. If that is the case, could we see the return of the Eagle logo in the circle? That logo would look great on a white tail. Moreover, with the titles, will we see the return of the RetroJet font.
The only thing I can't quite figure is how they keep the color red with this base coat and how they would do the cheatline with the diagonal banding of the tail.
N737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 269 posts, RR: 0 Reply 75, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11020 times:
Quoting N737AA (Reply 72): Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.
I guess so....
N737AA
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 77, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10755 times:
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 73): Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.
And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 78, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10684 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77): The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.
The SkyTeam livery is another example.
Is that darker than what the A300s wore? Or even Eastern's 727-100 & A300?
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8581 posts, RR: 8 Reply 79, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10602 times:
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78): Get ready.........because recently I've seen several AA planes in the old DL hangar @ TPA!
Wow. I it fairly sad that you think it makes me sick because its AA.
Glad you can make jokes about people losing jobs though. Haha real funny.
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78): UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!
Ah yes. I should be just tickled sh*tless that AA having DWH means Delta had to lay off a ton of people and send work to places like Mexico and China. Should be happy to know some really good guys have to fly Atlanta weekly because they couldn't move their family.
Try not to think of every single person on the site as a 5 year who enjoys getting into stupid peeing contest normally seen on here. I'll be just as sick to see some crappy company like TIMCO/PIMCO/AAR's logo on the AFW base as I am about PIMCO logos on the Delta TPA hangar or the AA logos on DWH. I'm worried about my craft, not stupid crap like most on here.
oh, and FWIW, I'd much rather see AA have DWH than a company like PIMCO.
sorry for the small OT mods. Couldn't just let this one go.
"Oh look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky! Look at the sUGAr falling out of the sky!" LM 1922-2011 Go Dawgs! G.A.T.A.
EASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0 Reply 80, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10401 times:
Well I just looked at the video about the NEW AA. Takes me back 25 years ago to an ad put out by EA was the same thing including people and planes blah blah blah, and of course Frank Borman walking through employees with his senseless smile spuing out bs! Look at the old EA ad and this new on by AA, and substitute AA over the EA one. Same Stuff!!!! I don't care what the plane is, and don't care how it's painted. Until customers are treated properly and have a good sense of flying then new ads and paint jobs aren't going to do it. By the same token, passengers have got to stop employees like they are their personal servants. Respect.
american 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3321 posts, RR: 14 Reply 82, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9071 times:
Quoting lollomz (Reply 81): Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???
That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.
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qqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2198 posts, RR: 14 Reply 83, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8980 times:
Quoting american 767 (Reply 82): That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.
I would think we'd know by the end of January at the latest considering this a/c goes into revenue service on 1/31. Yes it's possible AA puts the a/c in service before the livery is finished, but I don't think that is likely.
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dtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1415 posts, RR: 2 Reply 84, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8676 times:
Quoting lollomz (Reply 81): Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???
The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 85, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8483 times:
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 84): The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.
I believe it's been done before.
Let's face a few realities:
1) They are not going to put the aircraft into service without fully painting it in AA titles. Mr. Horton already said that it would be painted in the new colors, explicitly. If they don't paint it completely, it will have to be removed from service for painting, which costs a lot of revenue. If they don't paint it completely, it is not recognizable as an American aircraft and instead is unmarked, which unacceptable.
2) They are not going to delay EIS just because of timing the branding. The timing of the unveiling is important but not so important as to justify keeping the aircraft grounded pending clearing bankruptcy. The new brand must be introduced prior to EIS, period. EIS is not going to move on account of branding.
3) They did not paint their first two 77W frames in some special colors just for the heck of it. This is very obviously the background for the new livery. If there were going to be a special livery just for the new 77W, they would have said so. Instead, Mr. Horton explicitly said that it would wear the new AA livery.
Whether this makes you happy or sad, AA is changing its livery. Barring extraordinary circumstances, N717AN will wear the new livery when it goes into service. In all likelihood, all future deliveries will be painted in the new livery unless they are carrying a special colorscheme.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77): The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.
It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.
allegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 94 posts, RR: 0 Reply 86, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8420 times:
Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2160 posts, RR: 4 Reply 90, posted (5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7706 times:
Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32): I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!
I likde the first one, but don't think they will go that drastic, I bedt most will be underwhelmed.
Quoting N737AA (Reply 75): My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited
Exactly what I think, with exception of a handful of carriers, liveries are created more white, and sterile looking with little originality. I like TG, HA off the top of my head.
Quoting american 767 (Reply 82): management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public.
I think AA should not put thedmselves under any unnessisary public announcement dates, just in case something goes wrong, it does not look like a public blunder they could have avoided by keeping quiet, until the paint is almost dry.
If UA & AA do merge, I am sure it would be best to hold off on repainting planes, just in case something changes with the livery of the merged carrier, this 777 could possibly become one of few that gets this new livery until the merger settles up.
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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 95, posted (5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6725 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.
It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.
Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft. In my opinion, whatever AA does to their livery will no impact on their traffic or revenue. Other things are more important like their product and service. That's where they should be spending their limited cash resources -- on the inside of the aircraft -- not on the outside.
If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 97, posted (5 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6313 times:
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 86):
Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?
Before 31 January.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 95): Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft.
Branding on the aircraft is very important. One very important job of advertising and branding is not to promote your product, but to simply increase awareness. Everyone knows American Airlines exists and is familiar with its brand. However, when you go to the airport, even if you are flying another carrier, you will see AA airliners coming and going. The result is that the thought "American Airlines" goes through your head in some manner.
The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.
Quoting dtw757 (Reply 96): If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.
If they can arrange it, then that is what they will do, I agree. However, they are not in 100% control of when they will formally be released from bankruptcy. If the aircraft needs to go into service prior to that time, they will be forced to reveal the livery and new brand before they formally emerge from bankruptcy.
OB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2966 posts, RR: 8 Reply 98, posted (5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6045 times:
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 94): We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.
In that case, use the entire registration. There's a difference between "N717AN" and "7AN", and AA uses fleet numbers almost exclusively for its operations. I also thought he was referring to ship 7AN.
777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3033 posts, RR: 3 Reply 100, posted (5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 5913 times:
A lot of people don't know or care what terminology AA uses to internally identify their aircraft. I didn't think it would be that difficult for a bunch of airline geeks to understand that I was simply abbreviating the tail number especially considering the context. But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 102, posted (5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5419 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 97): The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.
At many airports you barely see the aircraft now. Gate areas have often been converted to shopping malls with few windows so the first sight of the aircraft is often as you board it. I just fail to see how AA spending millions on a major rebranding and an entirely new livery could ever cover the investment from increased traffic. I think that's true for virtually all previous excercises of this nature also. About the only thing most people care about these days is finding the lowest fare, regardless whether the aircraft is painted black, white or blue (I'm current in the KL lounge at AMS waiting for my connection to GVA!)
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 103, posted (5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4859 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 102):
At many airports you barely see the aircraft now.
Untrue, you do see them. You also see them taking off and landing as you approach the airport by car. You see them out of your window. And you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.
SPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2096 posts, RR: 10 Reply 104, posted (5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4619 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 100): But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.
Maybe we should add Mode-S address or MSN for confirmation. Then we could have a whole new class of Anetters who know more about Mode-S than anyone else.
Think of the women they would attract.
I don't understand everything I don't know about this.
jmw99ttu From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 37 posts, RR: 0 Reply 105, posted (5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4538 times:
Quoting 777STL (Reply 100): But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.
I applaud the use of the word pedantic, and the Anchor Man reference.
Back to the topic, is the plane outside, or parked in the hanger? I'd like to take the long way to work and see her if she's parked outside and visible from Airfield Dr.
longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4280 posts, RR: 36 Reply 107, posted (5 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 103): Untrue, you do see them. You also see them taking off and landing as you approach the airport by car. You see them out of your window. And you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.
We do ... because of who we are ... but the average traveler buying a seat doesn't.
When choosing an airline, the fare paid is always the prime factor in choosing an airline. While I can see the average denizen here choosing a flight by paint scheme, I can't see an average traveler doing that.
However ...
Many studies have shown an odd by-product of a new image/paint scheme, and that is increased employee pride and enthusiasm. And indirectly that often shows in a better traveling experience.
Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
Untrue, you do see them...you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.
I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18839 posts, RR: 64 Reply 109, posted (5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3306 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 108): I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.
Branding does make a difference, right down to the paint on the aircraft. Pan Am's globe is still unmistakeable. Would Pan Am have been Pan Am with Mickey Mouse on the tail? No, the globe was a symbol that still has value even today.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21483 posts, RR: 24 Reply 110, posted (5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3258 times:
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 109): Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 108):
I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.
Branding does make a difference, right down to the paint on the aircraft. Pan Am's globe is still unmistakeable. Would Pan Am have been Pan Am with Mickey Mouse on the tail? No, the globe was a symbol that still has value even today.
The world has changed since then. Air travel has largely become a commodity since fares were deregulated and price is now the #1 factor in customer choice. Few customers care whether the aircraft has a globe or an eagle or anything else on the tail.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 16819 posts, RR: 57 Reply 111, posted (5 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3241 times:
Quoting longhauler (Reply 107): When choosing an airline, the fare paid is always the prime factor in choosing an airline. While I can see the average denizen here choosing a flight by paint scheme, I can't see an average traveler doing that.
It is the prime factor but not the only factor. And, unlike aircraft types, passengers CAN tell you which airline they are flying. They might not know whether their flight from DTW to ORD was on an A320 or a 744, but they'll know it was on DL.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18839 posts, RR: 64 Reply 112, posted (5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3149 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 110): Few customers care whether the aircraft has a globe or an eagle or anything else on the tail.
And as you say, there are still those for whom it does have some effect. Branding still has some value to some people as a reflection of their expectation of a certain level of service or quality, and should not be universally dismissed as a "doesn't matter" afterthought.
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