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AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight  
User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 601 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 44047 times:

American Airlines' first 777-300ER is currently on it's delivery flight enroute from Everett/KPAE to KDFW at this hour. Flight Aware shows N717AN is 40 minutes out.

AA announced the delivery both in-house and with a press release, noting that the aircraft is arriving without the traditional AA livery, stating that it will enter service in a new livery.

So stay tuned; the wait is almost over for the new image.


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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 44116 times:

I highly doubt it will be sporting the new livery.


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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5552 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43983 times:

So, AA maintenance is going to paint the plane, rather than Boeing?

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4519 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43997 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):
I highly doubt it will be sporting the new livery.

Its not. I don't think that they would have the new livery for the delivery when the livery is being kept so hush hush.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 1037 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43983 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):

I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43952 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):

I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.

Yeah... arriving after nightfall.



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User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43976 times:

Maybe it's a teaser, but here's a quote from an internal employee publication:
American's 777-300ER, delivered without the traditional American livery, marks the beginning of the airline's brand new fleet type and points toward the airline's future. The livery will be applied as part of preparations to put the new aircraft into service. Inside, the cabin is configured with three classes, featuring lie-flat seats in First and Business Class.



Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1973 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43912 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Thread starter):
AA announced the delivery both in-house and with a press release, noting that the aircraft is arriving without the traditional AA livery, stating that it will enter service in a new livery.

Ok, then if that's the case, then where's the AA press release? I see a Boeing press release without a photo and that's it!


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43942 times:

OK, here's the link to the actual AA press release:

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3606



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43855 times:

It obviously won't be delivered in the old livery. Doesn't mean it will be much more than a blank canvas for the new one, though.


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User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43671 times:

Wow the new First looks great. Click on the photo link in the press release.

User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 601 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43695 times:

Here's the photo from Flight Aware.
http://flightaware.com/photos/view/1...ircrafttype/B773/sort/date/page/12

No bare metal showing, though I suppose there could be a temporary sealer on it.

Yes, this could all be a tease, and they'll just roll it out in the current livery, but why have to strip that off before applying any livery over the traditional bare metal?



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User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2376 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43600 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):
I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.

No, it is not.

While a lot of the heavier work has been done with regards to the restructuring, AA is still not completely out of the woods yet. They have to have a re-modernization plan set in stone moving forward, and an unknown portion is hinged on whether or not it will entail a merger with US. The re-branding has to take all of that into account.

I understand that ideally while most of us were expecting this to all be wrapped up by this month (December 2012), that is not going to be the case any longer. We'll have to wait a bit more...



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43583 times:

I'll bet you it looks just like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8251653792/in/photostream



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15505 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43587 times:
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N717AN is descending now.




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User currently onlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 43390 times:

It just flew over me. Looks beautiful with no paint job  

[Edited 2012-12-11 15:34:23]

User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 680 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 42902 times:

Looks like they also took a new Boeing 737-800 today as well. BFI-DFW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20121211/1730Z/KBFI/KDFW


Thanks,

Aaron


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1287 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 42809 times:

It was not painted in the new livery when it last flew, and it's highly unlikely that it would have been painted between then and now.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
'll bet you it looks just like this:

Yup.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 42711 times:

Quoting N737MC (Reply 16):

------& this is in the current livery???? What's the point?



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 42639 times:

The new 737 will begin flying much sooner. I doubt they want to have an unbranded airplane flying around.


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User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 42583 times:

Saw it land by sheer chance at 5:36PM local time.

Taxied over to the east hanger (former Delta) and that's the last I saw of it.


User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1656 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 42462 times:

Unfortunately for us gathered at Founders' Plaza, it landed on the east side (far side) of the airport.

Some [subpar] photos I managed from the arrival:






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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 41958 times:

Dallas Morning News has some more up and close pics

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/



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User currently offlineDeltaDc8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 41945 times:

Here is a video of it arriving in DFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyUTqd8NTg&feature=youtu.be

Hopefully this final magically livery they are putting on it will look good.      



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User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 39942 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 21):

Amazingly, my car (silver-beige) is visible in the second photo just to the top right of the water tanks.


Let's hope this livery does wonders. The interior, while upgraded, does seem a bit lacking to me. Regardless, great to see this bird finally in Texas.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8315 posts, RR: 19
Reply 25, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 40652 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 9):
It obviously won't be delivered in the old livery. Doesn't mean it will be much more than a blank canvas for the new one, though.

Basically this confirms there's a new livery then if it wasn't delivered in polished.



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User currently offlineaa77w From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 38819 times:

Is that another plane trailing the 77W in the video or is it part of the plane? If it's another a/c why is it there?

User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 40560 times:

It's gorrrrrrgeous!!!

I guess Newport News had some left over fleet grey paint that AA picked up on the cheap!!



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1656 posts, RR: 19
Reply 28, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 39056 times:

Quoting aa77w (Reply 26):
Is that another plane trailing the 77W in the video or is it part of the plane? If it's another a/c why is it there?

I don't see any other plane. You may be seeing the wingtip lights at the beginning and thinking they're a different plane, but that's because the outboard section of the wing blends in with the sky color at first.

Also keep in mind that DFW uses 18R, 17C and 17L concurrently for parallel landings...you may be seeing something I'm not seeing and mistaking it for a plane in trail.



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User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 38679 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNH2ujzXE4

At the end of this video (that American Airlines put together) around 2:17 towards the end the show a tail coverd by some type of cloth,than they peal it away attempting to unviel the Tail....AA sure is trying to Tease us with it


User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 38546 times:

This new 777-300ER will in fact be sporting a new livery.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):



4engines4lnghll
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 38660 times:

Here are some up close shots.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-777-300er-one-shade-of-gray.html/



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User currently offlineNeed2Fly From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 38434 times:

I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!


[Edited 2012-12-11 23:58:23]

User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4537 posts, RR: 25
Reply 33, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 37109 times:

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 30):
This new 777-300ER will in fact be sporting a new livery.

Eventually? No kidding. I meant today, which it wasnt.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 36738 times:

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

Only the last livery looks professional and not something designed for teenagers. However, it needs some red.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2989 posts, RR: 15
Reply 35, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 35949 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 34):
Only the last livery looks professional and not something designed for teenagers. However, it needs some red.

You haven't been to any airports in the last ten years, I take it?!

Anyway, I really like the gray tone they have put on this bird. I hope they don't screw around too much.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 10236 posts, RR: 16
Reply 36, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 36178 times:

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 30):

Really? I figured they painted it in grey just to strip it and go with the classic AA c/s  
Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 22):

*sigh* every time i see pictures of AA planes at DWH it makes me sick.

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 20):

Someone from AA would have to clear this up, but I believe AA can only paint at TUL. I know DWH doesn't, or didn't when it was Delta's, have any paint bays. So point is, this bird will have to leave Dallas, unless AA has paint bays that I don't know about.



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User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1803 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 36159 times:
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Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

Well... Nope. They are branding them selves as "American" so the Airlines needs to be dropped 

I do like the T7 livery.



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User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 35591 times:

Could they be planning to vinyl the livery over the base colours for the launch? (and paint it properly later)

User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 10236 posts, RR: 16
Reply 39, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 35445 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 38):

I wouldn't see why they couldn't, but i couldn't see why they would. IMHO seem like a big waste of money.



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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1291 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 35352 times:

I think they will flying a flag on the tail à la EK, could be gorgious!


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User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 35134 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 39):
I wouldn't see why they couldn't, but i couldn't see why they would. IMHO seem like a big waste of money.

Depends on how much they want to make a big bang with the launch... They might view it as being worth the cost (or the cost of the vinyl comes out of the marketing budget)


User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 374 posts, RR: 3
Reply 42, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 34887 times:

I bet they paint the first plane at a secret location, not in house.

Air Canada did this prior to unveiling the green tail white fuselage scheme of the 90s.

The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 33970 times:
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Maybe the 1st to be painted in AA / USAirways hybrid color scheme! 

User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 33099 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
Someone from AA would have to clear this up, but I believe AA can only paint at TUL. I know DWH doesn't, or didn't when it was Delta's, have any paint bays. So point is, this bird will have to leave Dallas, unless AA has paint bays that I don't know about.

AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.

As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

N737AA


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5307 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 32932 times:

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):

The last image is very similar to that of DL minus the red...

EK413



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User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 628 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 30115 times:

As a former AA employee (Current UA), I really do hope AA is able to re-brand themselves and become a terrific carrier again. I can remember when I started at AA, things were starting to go downhill. Then, near the end of my time, they were bad! (but not as bad as recently).

So, good luck AA!!


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1143 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29615 times:

Quoting 777ord (Reply 46):

That's a really awesome thing for you to say . Some people on here all they do is bash the other carrier that's not doing so hot at the moment . Best wishes to ll of you over at UA  


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 538 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29918 times:

This just popped up on facebook, apparently from the Airbus FanClub Page.



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=485121458204558&set=pb.467078656675505.-2207520000.1355325216&type=3&theater

Matches the base paint that's already on the aircraft.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6825 posts, RR: 16
Reply 49, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29410 times:

Ugggh! Hate it.. it looks so sterile... I think I would rather have the AA and the Eagle fade into the tail and be larger so it's much more nicer..


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User currently onlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29270 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 48):

I like the fuselage but the tail seems horrible.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5541 posts, RR: 43
Reply 51, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29192 times:

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42):
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

I remember that! But someone did eventually publish a picture, grainy and from a distance, but no one believed it.

It wasn't until Hollis Harris called the photographer a "spoil sport" (or was it "party pooper") that everyone started to believe it really was the new livery.



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User currently offlineYYZBound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29252 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 48):

Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?

Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.

*shrugs*


User currently offlineblink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5493 posts, RR: 14
Reply 53, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28739 times:

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):

Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.

I keep envisioning a light/translucent glaze in that blue hue all over the AA fuselage with an effect similar to AC, but I think that would have happened already at Boeing. Who knows, maybe AA has been secretly installing painting facilities in the DFW mx base.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28586 times:

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 24):
The interior, while upgraded, does seem a bit lacking to me.

Seems a bit bland doesn't it? A lot of light colored plastic and plain bulk heads.


User currently onlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27770 times:

Does anyone know if the plane is inside DWH now? I just flew out of DFW and I didn't see the plane outside or on the west ramps.

User currently offlinejetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 395 posts, RR: 4
Reply 56, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 27332 times:

Yesterday in MIA I saw this plane and did an immediate double-take, at first not liking the red white and blue bottom portion of the tail, and then being relieved to see it was not the new AA. I really hope AA has a very classy looking Eagle on the tail.


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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1623 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 26154 times:

It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?


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User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 323 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 25977 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):

Some people are reporting rumours that the livery is only blue white and grey and the red was dropped. Of course we'll never know until the reveal.



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User currently offlineYYZBound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 25852 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):

It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?

The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.

Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.

Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*


User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1623 posts, RR: 4
Reply 60, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25891 times:

I think it would be great if they would modernize this!
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User currently offline777STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 61, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 25197 times:

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):
Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?

Yeah, that's nothing more than an amateur rendering, although a few people have ran with it claiming that it's an official rendering of the next AA livery - which it's not.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

Based on comments by senior management, it seems a new livery is on the way. Although that doesn't necessarily mean it will be introduced on either of the first two 77Ws.


User currently offlineJeffinMass From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 24285 times:
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I wonder what it costs AA to paint the B777 versus Boeing. Perhaps AA thinks they can keep the new livery under their own wraps until their big hurrah, Will AA be painting all their B777-300ERs or will Boeing be doing that? After all AA has a huge fleet to paint eventually along with the US Airways fleet. At $300 million a piece at MSRP (lol) AA is treating their new B777-300ER with kid gloves. I don't blame them. Kind of like a new car.

User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 63, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 23521 times:

They must be holding out for the amAAzing USAirways-inspired livery that has been floating around the Tempe HQ in recent months.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 4788 posts, RR: 22
Reply 64, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21468 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 2):
So, AA maintenance is going to paint the plane, rather than Boeing?

AA M&E does not have the capability to paint the aircraft. Unless they plan to finish it with rollers. Or the final markings are all decals in whioch case they can do it.



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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21519 times:

AA seems to have updated and refreshed their booking site. Nothing new or groundbreaking, but it does a look a bit more modern and fresh.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...ew-look-with-up-sale-options.html/



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 66, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 20093 times:

As a sidenote, August 1968 photo at LAX of the first AA aircraft, 720B N7528A, to appear in the current livery. At the time of the photo it was still experimental, but about the only change was the addition of the eagle logo on the tail. In my opinion it still looks good 44 years later. Photo from Jon Proctor's excellent website (jonproctor.net) with hundreds of photos (among other things), mostly from the 50s/60s/70s.

http://jonproctor.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/720-023B-N7528A-no-eagle-868-Bob-Proctor-860x503.jpg


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3036 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19731 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.



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User currently offlineSeat99A From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 19653 times:
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Does anyone else find the Facebook rendering to almost look a bit Aeromexico-inspired? (not a bad thing, just an observation).

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 1023 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18035 times:

Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with. Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.

User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 18032 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.

Looking at the interior images, I think they made a HUGE step in improving the hard product, - it looks amazing, better than I expected! I'm anxiously looking forward to the inaugural flight!


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 10236 posts, RR: 16
Reply 71, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17168 times:

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42):
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.

just a note, a guy at a MRO can put it out there just as easy as someone at AA..... Not like they don't have internet or cameras  
Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):

AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.

I didn't really think about it, but i guess with AA's livery being so simple (and rolled on) it doesn't need paint bays. (like Delta who sprays and would need true paint bays like the 3 bays in Atlanta.)

I do believe I am right that DWH didn't have any bays like the ones in TOC 3 in ATL. (but i can't really remember)



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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16370 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.

I guess so....

N737AA


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 73, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 16010 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.

And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.



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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1215 posts, RR: 5
Reply 74, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 15736 times:

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 59):
The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.

Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.

Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*

Iridescent? I ventured in the first thread on this subject that the base coat lends itself quite nicely to platinum decals for the titles and the Eagle logo. (Think back to the now defunct SilverJet for what that might look like.) Specifically with the titles, I am thinking outlined in platinum with blue as the infill color.

As to the retro influence, it is already apparent in the design of the First Class Cabin. AA means to reinvent itself by re-imagining its streamline moderne past. If that is the case, could we see the return of the Eagle logo in the circle? That logo would look great on a white tail. Moreover, with the titles, will we see the return of the RetroJet font.

The only thing I can't quite figure is how they keep the color red with this base coat and how they would do the cheatline with the diagonal banding of the tail.


User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14983 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 72):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.

I guess so....

N737AA

My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.

N737AA


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3036 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14753 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 75):
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.

If you say so... we'll see...



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 77, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14716 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 73):
Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.

And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.

The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

The SkyTeam livery is another example.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6965 posts, RR: 21
Reply 78, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14645 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

The SkyTeam livery is another example.

Is that darker than what the A300s wore? Or even Eastern's 727-100 & A300?

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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
*sigh* every time i see pictures of AA planes at DWH it makes me sick.

UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!   
Get ready.........because recently I've seen several AA planes in the old DL hangar @ TPA!



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 10236 posts, RR: 16
Reply 79, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 14563 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78):
Get ready.........because recently I've seen several AA planes in the old DL hangar @ TPA!

Wow. I it fairly sad that you think it makes me sick because its AA.
Glad you can make jokes about people losing jobs though. Haha real funny.  
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78):
UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!

Ah yes. I should be just tickled sh*tless that AA having DWH means Delta had to lay off a ton of people and send work to places like Mexico and China. Should be happy to know some really good guys have to fly Atlanta weekly because they couldn't move their family.

Try not to think of every single person on the site as a 5 year who enjoys getting into stupid peeing contest normally seen on here. I'll be just as sick to see some crappy company like TIMCO/PIMCO/AAR's logo on the AFW base as I am about PIMCO logos on the Delta TPA hangar or the AA logos on DWH. I'm worried about my craft, not stupid crap like most on here.

oh, and FWIW, I'd much rather see AA have DWH than a company like PIMCO.

sorry for the small OT mods. Couldn't just let this one go.



yep.
User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 683 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14362 times:

Well I just looked at the video about the NEW AA. Takes me back 25 years ago to an ad put out by EA was the same thing including people and planes blah blah blah, and of course Frank Borman walking through employees with his senseless smile spuing out bs! Look at the old EA ad and this new on by AA, and substitute AA over the EA one. Same Stuff!!!! I don't care what the plane is, and don't care how it's painted. Until customers are treated properly and have a good sense of flying then new ads and paint jobs aren't going to do it. By the same token, passengers have got to stop employees like they are their personal servants. Respect.

User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 13406 times:
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Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4462 posts, RR: 12
Reply 82, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 13032 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 81):
Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2319 posts, RR: 13
Reply 83, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 12941 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 82):
That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.

I would think we'd know by the end of January at the latest considering this a/c goes into revenue service on 1/31. Yes it's possible AA puts the a/c in service before the livery is finished, but I don't think that is likely.



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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1623 posts, RR: 4
Reply 84, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 12637 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 81):
Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21933 posts, RR: 63
Reply 85, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12444 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 84):
The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.

I believe it's been done before.

Let's face a few realities:

1) They are not going to put the aircraft into service without fully painting it in AA titles. Mr. Horton already said that it would be painted in the new colors, explicitly. If they don't paint it completely, it will have to be removed from service for painting, which costs a lot of revenue. If they don't paint it completely, it is not recognizable as an American aircraft and instead is unmarked, which unacceptable.

2) They are not going to delay EIS just because of timing the branding. The timing of the unveiling is important but not so important as to justify keeping the aircraft grounded pending clearing bankruptcy. The new brand must be introduced prior to EIS, period. EIS is not going to move on account of branding.

3) They did not paint their first two 77W frames in some special colors just for the heck of it. This is very obviously the background for the new livery. If there were going to be a special livery just for the new 77W, they would have said so. Instead, Mr. Horton explicitly said that it would wear the new AA livery.

Whether this makes you happy or sad, AA is changing its livery. Barring extraordinary circumstances, N717AN will wear the new livery when it goes into service. In all likelihood, all future deliveries will be painted in the new livery unless they are carrying a special colorscheme.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 12381 times:

Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?

User currently offline777STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 87, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Probably when -7AN enters revenue service or shortly prior to that.

User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 87):
Probably when -7AN enters revenue service or shortly prior to that.

7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time


Also 7LB second 777-300 is due for delivery Dec 19


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3036 posts, RR: 2
Reply 89, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11750 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 88):

7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time


I think he means N717AN...



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4017 posts, RR: 5
Reply 90, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 11667 times:

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

I likde the first one, but don't think they will go that drastic, I bedt most will be underwhelmed.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 75):
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited

Exactly what I think, with exception of a handful of carriers, liveries are created more white, and sterile looking with little originality. I like TG, HA off the top of my head.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 82):
management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public.

I think AA should not put thedmselves under any unnessisary public announcement dates, just in case something goes wrong, it does not look like a public blunder they could have avoided by keeping quiet, until the paint is almost dry.

If UA & AA do merge, I am sure it would be best to hold off on repainting planes, just in case something changes with the livery of the merged carrier, this 777 could possibly become one of few that gets this new livery until the merger settles up.



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User currently offline777STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 91, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 11412 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 88):
7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time

N717AN is NOT in revenue service and you knew that was what I meant. Don't be obtuse.

[Edited 2012-12-16 09:12:38]

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From Germany, joined May 2004, 1265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 92, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11237 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 90):
If UA & AA do merge

I hope you mean US, because UA/AA wouldnt ever be allowed to merge for anti trust issues!

-m

  


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11067 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 91):
N717AN is NOT in revenue service and you knew that was what I meant. Don't be obtuse.

7AN is also a fleet number. Typically AA refers to fleet numbers. N717AN will be known as 7LA.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3036 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 10878 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 93):
7AN is also a fleet number. Typically AA refers to fleet numbers. N717AN will be known as 7LA.

We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 95, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10686 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.

Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft. In my opinion, whatever AA does to their livery will no impact on their traffic or revenue. Other things are more important like their product and service. That's where they should be spending their limited cash resources -- on the inside of the aircraft -- not on the outside.


User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1623 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10529 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
I believe it's been done before

If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21933 posts, RR: 63
Reply 97, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 86):

Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?

Before 31 January.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 95):
Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft.

Branding on the aircraft is very important. One very important job of advertising and branding is not to promote your product, but to simply increase awareness. Everyone knows American Airlines exists and is familiar with its brand. However, when you go to the airport, even if you are flying another carrier, you will see AA airliners coming and going. The result is that the thought "American Airlines" goes through your head in some manner.

The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 96):
If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.

If they can arrange it, then that is what they will do, I agree. However, they are not in 100% control of when they will formally be released from bankruptcy. If the aircraft needs to go into service prior to that time, they will be forced to reveal the livery and new brand before they formally emerge from bankruptcy.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3614 posts, RR: 6
Reply 98, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 10007 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 94):
We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.

In that case, use the entire registration. There's a difference between "N717AN" and "7AN", and AA uses fleet numbers almost exclusively for its operations. I also thought he was referring to ship 7AN.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3477 posts, RR: 44
Reply 99, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9976 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 98):

I have to agree with this.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offline777STL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 100, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9874 times:

A lot of people don't know or care what terminology AA uses to internally identify their aircraft. I didn't think it would be that difficult for a bunch of airline geeks to understand that I was simply abbreviating the tail number especially considering the context. But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.

User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 100):

I agree with you man.

I mean we are having a discussion on a thread that has to do with AAs 77W, so I think its only logical that he was referring to N717AN aka B777-300ER.

It just takes some common sense.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 102, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9381 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 97):
The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.

At many airports you barely see the aircraft now. Gate areas have often been converted to shopping malls with few windows so the first sight of the aircraft is often as you board it. I just fail to see how AA spending millions on a major rebranding and an entirely new livery could ever cover the investment from increased traffic. I think that's true for virtually all previous excercises of this nature also. About the only thing most people care about these days is finding the lowest fare, regardless whether the aircraft is painted black, white or blue (I'm current in the KL lounge at AMS waiting for my connection to GVA!)


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21933 posts, RR: 63
Reply 103, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 102):

At many airports you barely see the aircraft now.

Untrue, you do see them. You also see them taking off and landing as you approach the airport by car. You see them out of your window. And you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 104, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 100):
But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.

  

Maybe we should add Mode-S address or MSN for confirmation. Then we could have a whole new class of Anetters who know more about Mode-S than anyone else.

Think of the women they would attract.   



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User currently offlinejmw99ttu From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8500 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 100):
But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.

I applaud the use of the word pedantic, and the Anchor Man reference.

Back to the topic, is the plane outside, or parked in the hanger? I'd like to take the long way to work and see her if she's parked outside and visible from Airfield Dr.


User currently offlineB377 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

Second AA 777-300 delivery flight is today, leaves 10:10am as Flight 9704, same paint job as the first delivery.

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5541 posts, RR: 43
Reply 107, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7493 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 103):
Untrue, you do see them. You also see them taking off and landing as you approach the airport by car. You see them out of your window. And you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.

We do ... because of who we are ... but the average traveler buying a seat doesn't.

When choosing an airline, the fare paid is always the prime factor in choosing an airline. While I can see the average denizen here choosing a flight by paint scheme, I can't see an average traveler doing that.

However ...

Many studies have shown an odd by-product of a new image/paint scheme, and that is increased employee pride and enthusiasm. And indirectly that often shows in a better traveling experience.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 108, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7327 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 103):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 102):

At many airports you barely see the aircraft now.

Untrue, you do see them...you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.

I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 61
Reply 109, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7269 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 108):
I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.

Branding does make a difference, right down to the paint on the aircraft. Pan Am's globe is still unmistakeable. Would Pan Am have been Pan Am with Mickey Mouse on the tail? No, the globe was a symbol that still has value even today.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 27369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 110, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7220 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 109):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 108):
I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.

Branding does make a difference, right down to the paint on the aircraft. Pan Am's globe is still unmistakeable. Would Pan Am have been Pan Am with Mickey Mouse on the tail? No, the globe was a symbol that still has value even today.

The world has changed since then. Air travel has largely become a commodity since fares were deregulated and price is now the #1 factor in customer choice. Few customers care whether the aircraft has a globe or an eagle or anything else on the tail.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 21933 posts, RR: 63
Reply 111, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7203 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 107):
When choosing an airline, the fare paid is always the prime factor in choosing an airline. While I can see the average denizen here choosing a flight by paint scheme, I can't see an average traveler doing that.

It is the prime factor but not the only factor. And, unlike aircraft types, passengers CAN tell you which airline they are flying. They might not know whether their flight from DTW to ORD was on an A320 or a 744, but they'll know it was on DL.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 61
Reply 112, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 7113 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 110):
Few customers care whether the aircraft has a globe or an eagle or anything else on the tail.

And as you say, there are still those for whom it does have some effect. Branding still has some value to some people as a reflection of their expectation of a certain level of service or quality, and should not be universally dismissed as a "doesn't matter" afterthought.



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User currently offlineWORLDTRAVEL83 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

She will be on her way sooooon to DFW  
The second 77W is about to be on it's way to DFW!!!


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