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AA 777-300ER Delivery Flight  
User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 391 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43136 times:

American Airlines' first 777-300ER is currently on it's delivery flight enroute from Everett/KPAE to KDFW at this hour. Flight Aware shows N717AN is 40 minutes out.

AA announced the delivery both in-house and with a press release, noting that the aircraft is arriving without the traditional AA livery, stating that it will enter service in a new livery.

So stay tuned; the wait is almost over for the new image.


Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43205 times:

I highly doubt it will be sporting the new livery.


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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5236 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43072 times:

So, AA maintenance is going to paint the plane, rather than Boeing?

User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4226 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43086 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):
I highly doubt it will be sporting the new livery.

Its not. I don't think that they would have the new livery for the delivery when the livery is being kept so hush hush.



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User currently offlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 937 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43072 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):

I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43041 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):

I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.

Yeah... arriving after nightfall.



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User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43065 times:

Maybe it's a teaser, but here's a quote from an internal employee publication:
American's 777-300ER, delivered without the traditional American livery, marks the beginning of the airline's brand new fleet type and points toward the airline's future. The livery will be applied as part of preparations to put the new aircraft into service. Inside, the cabin is configured with three classes, featuring lie-flat seats in First and Business Class.



Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
User currently offlinerj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1844 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43001 times:

Quoting Wingtips56 (Thread starter):
AA announced the delivery both in-house and with a press release, noting that the aircraft is arriving without the traditional AA livery, stating that it will enter service in a new livery.

Ok, then if that's the case, then where's the AA press release? I see a Boeing press release without a photo and that's it!


User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 43031 times:

OK, here's the link to the actual AA press release:

http://aa.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=3606



Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42944 times:

It obviously won't be delivered in the old livery. Doesn't mean it will be much more than a blank canvas for the new one, though.


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User currently offlineAtlflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 736 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42760 times:

Wow the new First looks great. Click on the photo link in the press release.

User currently offlineWingtips56 From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42784 times:

Here's the photo from Flight Aware.
http://flightaware.com/photos/view/1...ircrafttype/B773/sort/date/page/12

No bare metal showing, though I suppose there could be a temporary sealer on it.

Yes, this could all be a tease, and they'll just roll it out in the current livery, but why have to strip that off before applying any livery over the traditional bare metal?



Worked for WestAir, Apollo Airways, Desert Pacific, Western, AirCal and American Airlines
User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2188 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42689 times:

Quoting AVENSAB727 (Reply 4):
I think it will, this could be the perfect opportunity to unveil it.

No, it is not.

While a lot of the heavier work has been done with regards to the restructuring, AA is still not completely out of the woods yet. They have to have a re-modernization plan set in stone moving forward, and an unknown portion is hinged on whether or not it will entail a merger with US. The re-branding has to take all of that into account.

I understand that ideally while most of us were expecting this to all be wrapped up by this month (December 2012), that is not going to be the case any longer. We'll have to wait a bit more...



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42672 times:

I'll bet you it looks just like this:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/8251653792/in/photostream



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11669 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42676 times:

N717AN is descending now.




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User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 42479 times:

It just flew over me. Looks beautiful with no paint job  

[Edited 2012-12-11 15:34:23]

User currently offlineN737MC From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 678 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41991 times:

Looks like they also took a new Boeing 737-800 today as well. BFI-DFW

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...2/history/20121211/1730Z/KBFI/KDFW


Thanks,

Aaron


User currently offlineCargolex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1271 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41898 times:

It was not painted in the new livery when it last flew, and it's highly unlikely that it would have been painted between then and now.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 13):
'll bet you it looks just like this:

Yup.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41800 times:

Quoting N737MC (Reply 16):

------& this is in the current livery???? What's the point?



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User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41728 times:

The new 737 will begin flying much sooner. I doubt they want to have an unbranded airplane flying around.


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User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41672 times:

Saw it land by sheer chance at 5:36PM local time.

Taxied over to the east hanger (former Delta) and that's the last I saw of it.



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 41551 times:

Unfortunately for us gathered at Founders' Plaza, it landed on the east side (far side) of the airport.

Some [subpar] photos I managed from the arrival:






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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 41047 times:

Dallas Morning News has some more up and close pics

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/



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User currently offlineDeltaDc8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 41034 times:

Here is a video of it arriving in DFW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFyUTqd8NTg&feature=youtu.be

Hopefully this final magically livery they are putting on it will look good.      



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User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 39031 times:

Quoting N243NW (Reply 21):

Amazingly, my car (silver-beige) is visible in the second photo just to the top right of the water tanks.


Let's hope this livery does wonders. The interior, while upgraded, does seem a bit lacking to me. Regardless, great to see this bird finally in Texas.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 39741 times:

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 9):
It obviously won't be delivered in the old livery. Doesn't mean it will be much more than a blank canvas for the new one, though.

Basically this confirms there's a new livery then if it wasn't delivered in polished.



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User currently offlineaa77w From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 37908 times:

Is that another plane trailing the 77W in the video or is it part of the plane? If it's another a/c why is it there?

User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 39649 times:

It's gorrrrrrgeous!!!

I guess Newport News had some left over fleet grey paint that AA picked up on the cheap!!



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 38145 times:

Quoting aa77w (Reply 26):
Is that another plane trailing the 77W in the video or is it part of the plane? If it's another a/c why is it there?

I don't see any other plane. You may be seeing the wingtip lights at the beginning and thinking they're a different plane, but that's because the outboard section of the wing blends in with the sky color at first.

Also keep in mind that DFW uses 18R, 17C and 17L concurrently for parallel landings...you may be seeing something I'm not seeing and mistaking it for a plane in trail.



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User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 37768 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSNH2ujzXE4

At the end of this video (that American Airlines put together) around 2:17 towards the end the show a tail coverd by some type of cloth,than they peal it away attempting to unviel the Tail....AA sure is trying to Tease us with it


User currently offline4engines4lnghll From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 37635 times:

This new 777-300ER will in fact be sporting a new livery.

Quoting jpetekyxmd80 (Reply 1):



4engines4lnghll
User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 37749 times:

Here are some up close shots.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...-777-300er-one-shade-of-gray.html/



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User currently offlineNeed2Fly From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 37523 times:

I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!


[Edited 2012-12-11 23:58:23]

User currently offlinejpetekyxmd80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 36198 times:

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 30):
This new 777-300ER will in fact be sporting a new livery.

Eventually? No kidding. I meant today, which it wasnt.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2360 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 35827 times:

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

Only the last livery looks professional and not something designed for teenagers. However, it needs some red.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 35038 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 34):
Only the last livery looks professional and not something designed for teenagers. However, it needs some red.

You haven't been to any airports in the last ten years, I take it?!

Anyway, I really like the gray tone they have put on this bird. I hope they don't screw around too much.



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User currently onlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 35267 times:

Quoting 4engines4lnghll (Reply 30):

Really? I figured they painted it in grey just to strip it and go with the classic AA c/s  
Quoting CapEd388 (Reply 22):

*sigh* every time i see pictures of AA planes at DWH it makes me sick.

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 20):

Someone from AA would have to clear this up, but I believe AA can only paint at TUL. I know DWH doesn't, or didn't when it was Delta's, have any paint bays. So point is, this bird will have to leave Dallas, unless AA has paint bays that I don't know about.



yep.
User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 35248 times:
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Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

Well... Nope. They are branding them selves as "American" so the Airlines needs to be dropped 

I do like the T7 livery.



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User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 34680 times:

Could they be planning to vinyl the livery over the base colours for the launch? (and paint it properly later)

User currently onlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 34534 times:

Quoting starrymarkb (Reply 38):

I wouldn't see why they couldn't, but i couldn't see why they would. IMHO seem like a big waste of money.



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User currently offlinebrightcedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1289 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 34441 times:

I think they will flying a flag on the tail à la EK, could be gorgious!


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User currently offlinestarrymarkb From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 34223 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 39):
I wouldn't see why they couldn't, but i couldn't see why they would. IMHO seem like a big waste of money.

Depends on how much they want to make a big bang with the launch... They might view it as being worth the cost (or the cost of the vinyl comes out of the marketing budget)


User currently offlineSixtySeven From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 332 posts, RR: 2
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 33976 times:

I bet they paint the first plane at a secret location, not in house.

Air Canada did this prior to unveiling the green tail white fuselage scheme of the 90s.

The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 33059 times:
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Maybe the 1st to be painted in AA / USAirways hybrid color scheme! 

User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 32188 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
Someone from AA would have to clear this up, but I believe AA can only paint at TUL. I know DWH doesn't, or didn't when it was Delta's, have any paint bays. So point is, this bird will have to leave Dallas, unless AA has paint bays that I don't know about.

AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.

As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

N737AA


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 32021 times:

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):

The last image is very similar to that of DL minus the red...

EK413



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User currently offline777ord From United States of America, joined May 2010, 501 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 29204 times:

As a former AA employee (Current UA), I really do hope AA is able to re-brand themselves and become a terrific carrier again. I can remember when I started at AA, things were starting to go downhill. Then, near the end of my time, they were bad! (but not as bad as recently).

So, good luck AA!!


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1087 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28704 times:

Quoting 777ord (Reply 46):

That's a really awesome thing for you to say . Some people on here all they do is bash the other carrier that's not doing so hot at the moment . Best wishes to ll of you over at UA  


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 29007 times:

This just popped up on facebook, apparently from the Airbus FanClub Page.



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=485121458204558&set=pb.467078656675505.-2207520000.1355325216&type=3&theater

Matches the base paint that's already on the aircraft.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28499 times:

Ugggh! Hate it.. it looks so sterile... I think I would rather have the AA and the Eagle fade into the tail and be larger so it's much more nicer..


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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28359 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 48):

I like the fuselage but the tail seems horrible.



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User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4982 posts, RR: 42
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28281 times:

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42):
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

I remember that! But someone did eventually publish a picture, grainy and from a distance, but no one believed it.

It wasn't until Hollis Harris called the photographer a "spoil sport" (or was it "party pooper") that everyone started to believe it really was the new livery.



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User currently offlineYYZBound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28341 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 48):

Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?

Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.

*shrugs*


User currently onlineblink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5482 posts, RR: 15
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 27828 times:

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):

Again, what was told to me was that the new lighter blue that is on the kiosk interface is the new blue that is going to be used..and there is no red.

I keep envisioning a light/translucent glaze in that blue hue all over the AA fuselage with an effect similar to AC, but I think that would have happened already at Boeing. Who knows, maybe AA has been secretly installing painting facilities in the DFW mx base.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 27675 times:

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 24):
The interior, while upgraded, does seem a bit lacking to me.

Seems a bit bland doesn't it? A lot of light colored plastic and plain bulk heads.


User currently offlinedeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 26859 times:

Does anyone know if the plane is inside DWH now? I just flew out of DFW and I didn't see the plane outside or on the west ramps.

User currently offlinejetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 5
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 26420 times:

Yesterday in MIA I saw this plane and did an immediate double-take, at first not liking the red white and blue bottom portion of the tail, and then being relieved to see it was not the new AA. I really hope AA has a very classy looking Eagle on the tail.


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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1565 posts, RR: 4
Reply 57, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 25243 times:

It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?


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User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 25066 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):

Some people are reporting rumours that the livery is only blue white and grey and the red was dropped. Of course we'll never know until the reveal.



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User currently offlineYYZBound From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 24941 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 58):

It's been said before that inside sources say it will be retro looking. All AA liveries prior to the current one had orange on them. I just wonder if we might see orange show up on the new one?

The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.

Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.

Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*


User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1565 posts, RR: 4
Reply 60, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 24979 times:

I think it would be great if they would modernize this!
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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 24286 times:

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 53):
Wasn't that posted on here a few months ago? I thought it was another A.netter creation...and there was all this 'uproar' about what the thing was between the two A's...anyone remember that?

Yeah, that's nothing more than an amateur rendering, although a few people have ran with it claiming that it's an official rendering of the next AA livery - which it's not.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

Based on comments by senior management, it seems a new livery is on the way. Although that doesn't necessarily mean it will be introduced on either of the first two 77Ws.



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User currently offlineJeffinMass From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 23374 times:

I wonder what it costs AA to paint the B777 versus Boeing. Perhaps AA thinks they can keep the new livery under their own wraps until their big hurrah, Will AA be painting all their B777-300ERs or will Boeing be doing that? After all AA has a huge fleet to paint eventually along with the US Airways fleet. At $300 million a piece at MSRP (lol) AA is treating their new B777-300ER with kid gloves. I don't blame them. Kind of like a new car.

User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 63, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 22610 times:

They must be holding out for the amAAzing USAirways-inspired livery that has been floating around the Tempe HQ in recent months.


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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 64, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20557 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 2):
So, AA maintenance is going to paint the plane, rather than Boeing?

AA M&E does not have the capability to paint the aircraft. Unless they plan to finish it with rollers. Or the final markings are all decals in whioch case they can do it.


User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 20608 times:

AA seems to have updated and refreshed their booking site. Nothing new or groundbreaking, but it does a look a bit more modern and fresh.

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2...ew-look-with-up-sale-options.html/



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 66, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 19182 times:

As a sidenote, August 1968 photo at LAX of the first AA aircraft, 720B N7528A, to appear in the current livery. At the time of the photo it was still experimental, but about the only change was the addition of the eagle logo on the tail. In my opinion it still looks good 44 years later. Photo from Jon Proctor's excellent website (jonproctor.net) with hundreds of photos (among other things), mostly from the 50s/60s/70s.

http://jonproctor.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/720-023B-N7528A-no-eagle-868-Bob-Proctor-860x503.jpg


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18820 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):
As I've said before in other threads, this aircraft is going to sport a special livery but not necessarily a rebranding livery, as evidence of 7LB is unpainted and getting the traditional livery for delivery.

Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.



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User currently offlineSeat99A From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 10 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 18742 times:
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Does anyone else find the Facebook rendering to almost look a bit Aeromexico-inspired? (not a bad thing, just an observation).

User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 956 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17124 times:

Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with. Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.

User currently online44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 17121 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Besides they should be spending money on improving their service and not looks.

Looking at the interior images, I think they made a HUGE step in improving the hard product, - it looks amazing, better than I expected! I'm anxiously looking forward to the inaugural flight!


User currently onlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 71, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 16257 times:

Quoting SixtySeven (Reply 42):
The 747 that was painted was done somewhere in the California desert. Victorville I think. Despite having their own in house paint works. It kept a lid on it very nicely.

Granted this was before digital cameras and the Internet which can blow the lid off things in a jiffy.

just a note, a guy at a MRO can put it out there just as easy as someone at AA..... Not like they don't have internet or cameras  
Quoting N737AA (Reply 44):

AA has no "special" paint hangar(s), all paint is rolled on and can be done anywhere since its not sprayed there are not as many environmental concerns. But most of the stripping and painting is done in TUL (and AFW). All of the Special livery's were done in TUL and AFW, but DWH is classified as a main base now and has all the capabilities of TUL resource wise so it could be done there.

I didn't really think about it, but i guess with AA's livery being so simple (and rolled on) it doesn't need paint bays. (like Delta who sprays and would need true paint bays like the 3 bays in Atlanta.)

I do believe I am right that DWH didn't have any bays like the ones in TOC 3 in ATL. (but i can't really remember)



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User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15459 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.

I guess so....

N737AA


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 73, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15099 times:

Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.

And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.



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User currently offlineLDVAviation From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 1068 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 14825 times:

Quoting YYZBound (Reply 59):
The ONE person I had talked to who had seen the renderings had told me "they've gone retro". Granted, what he might consider 'retro' may not be to others...not sure if that applies to the font, or the stylization of the eagle, etc.

Both sources have also said that there is something about the new livery that will be particularly 'stunning' when the sun shines on it in the sky....which, I take to mean there will be something iridescent in the paint like what Air Canada has.

Or maybe the blue matches the color of the sky....*shrugs*

Iridescent? I ventured in the first thread on this subject that the base coat lends itself quite nicely to platinum decals for the titles and the Eagle logo. (Think back to the now defunct SilverJet for what that might look like.) Specifically with the titles, I am thinking outlined in platinum with blue as the infill color.

As to the retro influence, it is already apparent in the design of the First Class Cabin. AA means to reinvent itself by re-imagining its streamline moderne past. If that is the case, could we see the return of the Eagle logo in the circle? That logo would look great on a white tail. Moreover, with the titles, will we see the return of the RetroJet font.

The only thing I can't quite figure is how they keep the color red with this base coat and how they would do the cheatline with the diagonal banding of the tail.


User currently offlineN737AA From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 14072 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 72):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 67):
Well, your gonna need to explain why 7LB is now painted like 7LA, Matt Cawby just tweeted a photo of it.

I guess so....

N737AA

My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.

N737AA


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 13842 times:

Quoting N737AA (Reply 75):
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited, just the marketing folks rolling out their latest marketing gimick.

If you say so... we'll see...



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 77, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 13805 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 73):
Quoting WROORD (Reply 69):
Their look is very classic and should not be tinkered with.

And, it won't work on the composite aircraft that are coming.

The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

The SkyTeam livery is another example.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6436 posts, RR: 17
Reply 78, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13734 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

The SkyTeam livery is another example.

Is that darker than what the A300s wore? Or even Eastern's 727-100 & A300?

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Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 36):
*sigh* every time i see pictures of AA planes at DWH it makes me sick.

UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!   
Get ready.........because recently I've seen several AA planes in the old DL hangar @ TPA!



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User currently onlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 79, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 13652 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78):
Get ready.........because recently I've seen several AA planes in the old DL hangar @ TPA!

Wow. I it fairly sad that you think it makes me sick because its AA.
Glad you can make jokes about people losing jobs though. Haha real funny.  
Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 78):
UGH.....that comment just makes me barf!

Ah yes. I should be just tickled sh*tless that AA having DWH means Delta had to lay off a ton of people and send work to places like Mexico and China. Should be happy to know some really good guys have to fly Atlanta weekly because they couldn't move their family.

Try not to think of every single person on the site as a 5 year who enjoys getting into stupid peeing contest normally seen on here. I'll be just as sick to see some crappy company like TIMCO/PIMCO/AAR's logo on the AFW base as I am about PIMCO logos on the Delta TPA hangar or the AA logos on DWH. I'm worried about my craft, not stupid crap like most on here.

oh, and FWIW, I'd much rather see AA have DWH than a company like PIMCO.

sorry for the small OT mods. Couldn't just let this one go.



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User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 13451 times:

Well I just looked at the video about the NEW AA. Takes me back 25 years ago to an ad put out by EA was the same thing including people and planes blah blah blah, and of course Frank Borman walking through employees with his senseless smile spuing out bs! Look at the old EA ad and this new on by AA, and substitute AA over the EA one. Same Stuff!!!! I don't care what the plane is, and don't care how it's painted. Until customers are treated properly and have a good sense of flying then new ads and paint jobs aren't going to do it. By the same token, passengers have got to stop employees like they are their personal servants. Respect.

User currently offlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 12495 times:
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Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3791 posts, RR: 12
Reply 82, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days ago) and read 12121 times:
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Quoting lollomz (Reply 81):
Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.



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User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2282 posts, RR: 13
Reply 83, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12030 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 82):
That's what everybody in the forum is waiting for. No one knows the exact date, management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public. I think it will happen by late January. If not January, February.

I would think we'd know by the end of January at the latest considering this a/c goes into revenue service on 1/31. Yes it's possible AA puts the a/c in service before the livery is finished, but I don't think that is likely.



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User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1565 posts, RR: 4
Reply 84, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Quoting lollomz (Reply 81):
Just a question: when AA will reveal the new livery to the public? Do they have a date for this???

The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 85, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11533 times:

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 84):
The day AA emerges from bankruptcy which I expect is coming soon. That's the delay because otherwise you'd have seen this aircraft already painted in the new colors. Would be a real surprise to me if they debuted the new livery before emerging.

I believe it's been done before.

Let's face a few realities:

1) They are not going to put the aircraft into service without fully painting it in AA titles. Mr. Horton already said that it would be painted in the new colors, explicitly. If they don't paint it completely, it will have to be removed from service for painting, which costs a lot of revenue. If they don't paint it completely, it is not recognizable as an American aircraft and instead is unmarked, which unacceptable.

2) They are not going to delay EIS just because of timing the branding. The timing of the unveiling is important but not so important as to justify keeping the aircraft grounded pending clearing bankruptcy. The new brand must be introduced prior to EIS, period. EIS is not going to move on account of branding.

3) They did not paint their first two 77W frames in some special colors just for the heck of it. This is very obviously the background for the new livery. If there were going to be a special livery just for the new 77W, they would have said so. Instead, Mr. Horton explicitly said that it would wear the new AA livery.

Whether this makes you happy or sad, AA is changing its livery. Barring extraordinary circumstances, N717AN will wear the new livery when it goes into service. In all likelihood, all future deliveries will be painted in the new livery unless they are carrying a special colorscheme.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11470 times:

Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 87, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11224 times:

Probably when -7AN enters revenue service or shortly prior to that.


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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10872 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 87):
Probably when -7AN enters revenue service or shortly prior to that.

7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time


Also 7LB second 777-300 is due for delivery Dec 19


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 10839 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 88):

7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time


I think he means N717AN...



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3256 posts, RR: 5
Reply 90, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10756 times:

Quoting Need2Fly (Reply 32):
I think these liveries would look beautiful on the new AA!

I likde the first one, but don't think they will go that drastic, I bedt most will be underwhelmed.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 75):
My coworker at PAE/BFI said not to get too excited

Exactly what I think, with exception of a handful of carriers, liveries are created more white, and sterile looking with little originality. I like TG, HA off the top of my head.

Quoting american 767 (Reply 82):
management probably does but they don't want to announce it yet to the public.

I think AA should not put thedmselves under any unnessisary public announcement dates, just in case something goes wrong, it does not look like a public blunder they could have avoided by keeping quiet, until the paint is almost dry.

If UA & AA do merge, I am sure it would be best to hold off on repainting planes, just in case something changes with the livery of the merged carrier, this 777 could possibly become one of few that gets this new livery until the merger settles up.



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User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 91, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10501 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 88):
7AN is in revenue service, has been for a long time

N717AN is NOT in revenue service and you knew that was what I meant. Don't be obtuse.

[Edited 2012-12-16 09:12:38]


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 92, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10326 times:

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 90):
If UA & AA do merge

I hope you mean US, because UA/AA wouldnt ever be allowed to merge for anti trust issues!

-m

  


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10156 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 91):
N717AN is NOT in revenue service and you knew that was what I meant. Don't be obtuse.

7AN is also a fleet number. Typically AA refers to fleet numbers. N717AN will be known as 7LA.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9967 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 93):
7AN is also a fleet number. Typically AA refers to fleet numbers. N717AN will be known as 7LA.

We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 95, posted (1 year 9 months 5 days ago) and read 9775 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 77):
The only change needed is to paint the fuselage with the same type of silver metallic paint used by half a dozen other carriers, for example the final NW livery.

It looks completely different than bare metal and, IMHO, would look like a lame attempt at pretense. Times change and liveries need to change with them.

Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft. In my opinion, whatever AA does to their livery will no impact on their traffic or revenue. Other things are more important like their product and service. That's where they should be spending their limited cash resources -- on the inside of the aircraft -- not on the outside.


User currently offlinedtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1565 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 85):
I believe it's been done before

If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 97, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9363 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 86):

Does anyone have any guesses when the entire new livery will be revealed?

Before 31 January.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 95):
Branding is important but not on the aircraft since passengers have made their purchase decision by the time they see the aircraft.

Branding on the aircraft is very important. One very important job of advertising and branding is not to promote your product, but to simply increase awareness. Everyone knows American Airlines exists and is familiar with its brand. However, when you go to the airport, even if you are flying another carrier, you will see AA airliners coming and going. The result is that the thought "American Airlines" goes through your head in some manner.

The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 96):
If they are planning on unveiling the new livery before emerging from bankruptcy, then why is it not fully painted yet? I think it's going to be a simultaneous announcement; They will emerge and unveil the new livery on the same day.

If they can arrange it, then that is what they will do, I agree. However, they are not in 100% control of when they will formally be released from bankruptcy. If the aircraft needs to go into service prior to that time, they will be forced to reveal the livery and new brand before they formally emerge from bankruptcy.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3351 posts, RR: 9
Reply 98, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9096 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 94):
We know that, but not everyone here can identify aircraft by fleet number... Hence we use the reg.

In that case, use the entire registration. There's a difference between "N717AN" and "7AN", and AA uses fleet numbers almost exclusively for its operations. I also thought he was referring to ship 7AN.


User currently onlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3298 posts, RR: 44
Reply 99, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9065 times:

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 98):

I have to agree with this.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 100, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

A lot of people don't know or care what terminology AA uses to internally identify their aircraft. I didn't think it would be that difficult for a bunch of airline geeks to understand that I was simply abbreviating the tail number especially considering the context. But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.


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User currently offlineCapEd388 From United States of America, joined Feb 2011, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 100):

I agree with you man.

I mean we are having a discussion on a thread that has to do with AAs 77W, so I think its only logical that he was referring to N717AN aka B777-300ER.

It just takes some common sense.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 102, posted (1 year 9 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8470 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 97):
The hope is that the next time you go to book a ticket, the thought: "American Airlines" might go through your head in some manner. The exterior of an aircraft is one of the best billboards that exists.

At many airports you barely see the aircraft now. Gate areas have often been converted to shopping malls with few windows so the first sight of the aircraft is often as you board it. I just fail to see how AA spending millions on a major rebranding and an entirely new livery could ever cover the investment from increased traffic. I think that's true for virtually all previous excercises of this nature also. About the only thing most people care about these days is finding the lowest fare, regardless whether the aircraft is painted black, white or blue (I'm current in the KL lounge at AMS waiting for my connection to GVA!)


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 103, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 7910 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 102):

At many airports you barely see the aircraft now.

Untrue, you do see them. You also see them taking off and landing as you approach the airport by car. You see them out of your window. And you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.


User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 104, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7670 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 100):
But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.

  

Maybe we should add Mode-S address or MSN for confirmation. Then we could have a whole new class of Anetters who know more about Mode-S than anyone else.

Think of the women they would attract.   



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User currently offlinejmw99ttu From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 100):
But in typical a.net fashion, someone has to criticize just for the sake of being pedantic and nit picky. Stay classy, a.net.

I applaud the use of the word pedantic, and the Anchor Man reference.

Back to the topic, is the plane outside, or parked in the hanger? I'd like to take the long way to work and see her if she's parked outside and visible from Airfield Dr.


User currently offlineB377 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6859 times:

Second AA 777-300 delivery flight is today, leaves 10:10am as Flight 9704, same paint job as the first delivery.

User currently offlinelonghauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4982 posts, RR: 42
Reply 107, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 103):
Untrue, you do see them. You also see them taking off and landing as you approach the airport by car. You see them out of your window. And you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.

We do ... because of who we are ... but the average traveler buying a seat doesn't.

When choosing an airline, the fare paid is always the prime factor in choosing an airline. While I can see the average denizen here choosing a flight by paint scheme, I can't see an average traveler doing that.

However ...

Many studies have shown an odd by-product of a new image/paint scheme, and that is increased employee pride and enthusiasm. And indirectly that often shows in a better traveling experience.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 108, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 103):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 102):

At many airports you barely see the aircraft now.

Untrue, you do see them...you see them when you are in your backyard mowing the lawn because a significant fraction of Americans live within 40 miles of a major airport.

I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 109, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 108):
I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.

Branding does make a difference, right down to the paint on the aircraft. Pan Am's globe is still unmistakeable. Would Pan Am have been Pan Am with Mickey Mouse on the tail? No, the globe was a symbol that still has value even today.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 110, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6309 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 109):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 108):
I doubt 1 in 1000 people who live anywhere near an airport even looks up when an aircraft flies over.

Branding does make a difference, right down to the paint on the aircraft. Pan Am's globe is still unmistakeable. Would Pan Am have been Pan Am with Mickey Mouse on the tail? No, the globe was a symbol that still has value even today.

The world has changed since then. Air travel has largely become a commodity since fares were deregulated and price is now the #1 factor in customer choice. Few customers care whether the aircraft has a globe or an eagle or anything else on the tail.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 111, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6292 times:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 107):
When choosing an airline, the fare paid is always the prime factor in choosing an airline. While I can see the average denizen here choosing a flight by paint scheme, I can't see an average traveler doing that.

It is the prime factor but not the only factor. And, unlike aircraft types, passengers CAN tell you which airline they are flying. They might not know whether their flight from DTW to ORD was on an A320 or a 744, but they'll know it was on DL.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 112, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6202 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 110):
Few customers care whether the aircraft has a globe or an eagle or anything else on the tail.

And as you say, there are still those for whom it does have some effect. Branding still has some value to some people as a reflection of their expectation of a certain level of service or quality, and should not be universally dismissed as a "doesn't matter" afterthought.



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User currently offlineWORLDTRAVEL83 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days ago) and read 6094 times:

She will be on her way sooooon to DFW  
The second 77W is about to be on it's way to DFW!!!


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