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UA SFO-SAO 788 On The Horizon?  
User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 387 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

I have heard this a few times around the UA water cooler with the 788 at SFO. The flight will begin in LAX then fly nonstop to SAO from SFO 5x a week. Does this seem doable? How's the service on KE from LAX? The last time I flew to SAO it was $9000.00 r/t on KE. I flew CM the second time and third time via PTY $3200.00 r/t and It was great. 48 min lay-over and the flight attendants were hot. unlike the stuffy KE flights. The flights were late and flight attendants seemed like they needed to get some action in the mile high club. Granted a 772 is a much different experience than a 737 but not much different in the customer service.

*A has not had direct west-coast service since RG went under. Is this someone's pipe dream or does this have some real viability?

Apparently it would be used as an Asian connecting point? which would be good for ORD if there's snow. I heard them say leave LAX around and leave SFO around 2pm? Arrive in time to turn back around for a red-eye back to SFO and land the next morning with a 1am departure from SAO? At first I didn't give it much interest until I heard it would be starting from LAX and what the schedules would seemingly look like...

Any thoughts?

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User currently offlineolddominion727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 387 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7902 times:

sorry... 1145am departure from LAX-SFO then 2p departure from SFO-SAO

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

I didn't realize Korean Airlines flew from LAX to SAO.... not being familiar with SAO, I'm not exactly sure what airport that is, or what city, but I gather it's in South American, since you also flew Copa.

Codes are cool, but not all of us know them.

Otherwise, I think UA has a LOT of other priorities when it comes to the 787 before some of these also-good-ideas.
For starters, convincing the aircraft to fly reliably to LAX or ORD or EWR from IAH, namely!


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

...are we talking about GRU?

LAX-SFO-GRU seems a little on the backwards side. I spose its possible, but it seems pretty farfetched to me.

EWR or IAD are far, far better points to connect Asian destinations to GRU... and that connection can happen today to a lot of places.

NS


User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):
...are we talking about GRU?

Think so. Had to look it up. SAO is a city wide code - like CHI or NYC. GRU is the airport served by UA.

I would like to see them finally start SFO-CAN with 788 than dabbling in SFO to South America. But what ever they can make money on they should fly.

SFO-GRU is only 1% shorter than SFO-IAH-GRU, so you are not saving a ton of mileage with a non-stop flight.

[Edited 2012-12-11 18:32:54]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25436 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Why back track?

SFO-GRU - 6,472mi
LAX-GRU - 6,156mi

West Coast - Brazil is a though and marginal market. We saw DL try is a couple years ago. Also LAX is the far larger market, not SF.

Anyhow, I need to read up on the Brazil air service agreement. IIRC there are no new GRU authorities for US carriers until 2014 and that GRU slots(parking) are very problematic (look at US Airways).



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User currently offlineas739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6151 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

Quoting olddominion727 (Thread starter):
I have heard this a few times around the UA water cooler with the 788 at SFO



Where is your water cooler? Cause the rumor hasn't been floating around here for GRU, and I am in the heart of it here.

In the rumors defense however, there has been talk of beefing up Central and South America service from SFO. I'd look for the 788 being deployed in other places first.



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7178 times:
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No frequencies available right now and UA in fact leased the frequencies used by US to start CLT-GRU.
But If they think that SFO-GRU works better than IAH-GRU, so they can do it.

Problems are:
* In general connections are limited to few west coast markets
* Schedule is complicated due to 6h difference
* Yields are not so great



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7169 times:

"48 min lay-over and the flight attendants were hot. unlike the stuffy KE flights. The flights were late and flight attendants seemed like they needed to get some action in the mile high club"

LOL! Made my night reading this! I've had F/As like that, and it did enhance the experience  

I am interested to see if this actually happens or not. It seems like the flightncould be doable with the Dreamliner, but I'm still a bit skeptical. Hope for the best, though!


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7090 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
But If they think that SFO-GRU works better than IAH-GRU, so they can do it.

There's no way they think that's true  

NS


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3128 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 9):
There's no way they think that's true

Given that of all US airline hubs UA@SFO has the most Asian flights, itd be interesting to see the numbers of passengers from various asian destinations to GRU. The only problem is that transit in the US would require a visa...

Currently, I can think of 3 Asian far east/southeast routes to South America...

KE ICN-LAX-GRU
CA PEK-MAD-GRU
SQ SIN-BCN-GRU

and JL used to fly NRT-JFK-GRU.

UA@SFO serves the following cities in Asia,

PEK
HKG
KIX
ICN
PVG
TPE
NRT
BKK (via NRT)
SIN (via NRT or HKG)

Given all of these, as well as domestic feed from the west coast, and the local SFO-GRU market, maybe a 788 on SFO-GRU would actually make sense. SFO-GRU is shorter than NRT-BOS for example, and JL is making that work.

A schedule something like this could work:

SFO 1230 - 0705+1 GRU
GRU 0105 - 0920 SFO

This would fit well with all of UA's asian flights, departures as follows;

1050 ICN
1100 NRT
1110 NRT (NH)
1115 KIX
1150 PEK
1200 ICN (OZ)
1300 PVG
1325 HKG
1330 TPE
1350 PEK (CA)

as well as asian arrivals, as follows;

0815 TPE
0820 HKG
0830 PVG
0855 PEK
0910 NRT
0930 NRT (NH)
1000 ICN (OZ)
1120 PEK (CA)
1125 ICN
1100 KIX

Any thoughts?

'902



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5981 times:

It's the transit visa. California worked well a billion years ago to get between Brazil and Asia but the transit visa and issues associated with it mean pax pick plenty of other options. I wouldn't hold your breath. yes there is a market, bit it has a massive road block in it, so that really means any such flight needs to cater to the American market. and that is largely better served by a southern hub, if you're relying on connections. might change in the future though, Canada seems to have smelled opportunity and is getting in on this act, as has emirates etc. Maybe if the US started building international terminals that allowed connections without clearing customs you might see things change.

User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5500 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 8):
LOL! Made my night reading this! I've had F/As like that, and it did enhance the experience

I don't think his comment intended on complimenting the KE flight attendants. The flight was late and the flight attendants were cranky is probably a more accurate (and less sexist) way of saying it.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7625 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

SFO-GRU being a starter depends on what the local market is between destinations like KIX and TPE and GRU. If its not significant, I dont see SFO-GRU being on the radar. There are many options to get between GRU and NRT/PEK/HKG/PVG (which are the big ones) so SFO brings nothing new there. The local market is about 70 passengers but with marginal yields.


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