NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9494 times:
Now that the alliance is done..Virgin Atlantic..welcome to SKYTEAM =)
Someone else brought this up previously and i wonder now will we see VS beautiful planes gracing the tarmacs at DTW|MSP|ATL? I wish KL still flew one of the AMS runs from DTW but alas they dont, however the AF part brings their also beautiful birds into a few DL hubs so it cant be that far fetched...
airliner371 From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 878 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9500 times:
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9434 times:
Quoting delimit (Reply 2): What do you think the chances of them not joining SkyTeam are?
If this means anything..
Quote: Delta’s plan is to continue to have its trans-Atlantic joint venture with Air France-KLM and Alitalita and add the Virgin Atlantic piece to its network as its own joint venture. Virgin Atlantic executives said the deal with Delta would be the first steps for it to evaluate formal membership into SkyTeam.
I'd say pretty good in a few years.
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Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9321 times:
I would say unlikely. I wouldn't hold my breath to see much shifting. Maybe consolidation at Boston and maybe Delta metal into a new market or two(SEA maybe an LAX flight) but other than that I wouldn't hold my breath for anything more.
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PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4978 posts, RR: 14 Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9112 times:
Quoting panpan (Reply 6): Singapore owned that part of VS for years and they never joined star. Is there evidence that it's gonna go anywhere??? I'm super hopeful BTW.
If they never went to Star then no one can say if they're going to Sky, despite all of the speculation.
About additional service to hubs, well, that all depends on if VS joins an alliance. I see a flight to ATL though, or additional JFK service.
AF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 117 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9026 times:
Quoting panpan (Reply 6): Singapore owned that part of VS for years and they never joined star. Is there evidence that it's gonna go anywhere??? I'm super hopeful BTW.
True, but VS never cooperated as much with SQ as they will cooperate with DL. I believe the whole VS/DL JV project and DL's strong cooperation with AF-KL will eventually drive VS into Skyteam.
dcann40 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 303 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8972 times:
Quoting AF185 (Reply 9): True, but VS never cooperated as much with SQ as they will cooperate with DL. I believe the whole VS/DL JV project and DL's strong cooperation with AF-KL will eventually drive VS into Skyteam.
I agree - but it matters more for non-Delta flyers (AF, KLM, etc.) in SkyTeam than for Delta flyers right now, I would presume.
Delta flyers will get alliance-like benefits once the JV closes. I suppose that other SkyTeam flyers will benefit early on only if they have SkyMiles membership but fly other airlines - and most probably wouldn't do that.
NWADTWE16 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 242 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8780 times:
I must have missed something..either way i would assume with this type of partnership, why in the world wouldnt they join Skyteam, and right from the get go?
CXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2702 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
Quoting panpan (Reply 6):
Singapore owned that part of VS for years and they never joined star. Is there evidence that it's gonna go anywhere??? I'm super hopeful BTW.
Well, SQ has always seemed the odd one out at Star, doing things for themselves. They haven't been an airline that sponsors others in, etc.
DL on the other hand are seemingly (along with AF/KL) the airline in charge. I would be very surprised if VS doesn't join Skyteam.
I had long hoped VS would enter Star and bring VA/DJ along with them. Now I'm not so hopeful.
mayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 9200 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8610 times:
Quoting panpan (Reply 6): Singapore owned that part of VS for years and they never joined star. Is there evidence that it's gonna go anywhere??? I'm super hopeful BTW.
As has been said, SQ was a member of Star, but almost like a silent partner.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 8): Quoting panpan (Reply 6):Singapore owned that part of VS for years and they never joined star. Is there evidence that it's gonna go anywhere??? I'm super hopeful BTW.
If they never went to Star then no one can say if they're going to Sky, despite all of the speculation.
Well, since it was mentioned in the press release, I would imagine there's a pretty good chance that this is what they're working towards. Did we EVER hear anything from SQ or VS on any talks for VS to join Star?
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EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7177 posts, RR: 45 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8581 times:
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 1): They have not joined SkyTeam, they are just with DL right now.
Not even. An agreement has been signed, but its effectiveness is subject to the satisfaction of a number of conditions, including antitrust approval. In other words, DL has agreed to purchase the VS shares owned by SQ, and SQ has agreed to sell its VS shares to DL, but the transfer (i.e., delivery of the shares) and the payment of the purchase price have not happened yet. A number of things need to happen before this is a done deal. (Don't worry, it will be a done deal... this is standard.)
anstar From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8501 times:
Quoting panpan (Reply 6): Singapore owned that part of VS for years and they never joined star. Is there evidence that it's gonna go anywhere??? I'm super hopeful BTW.
SQ were a pretty silent shareholder and never really pushed VS into an alliance. Pus with UA and BD usally blocking their attempted entry STAR was never really going to be the alliance for VS.
On the otherhand - DL will be a much more active shareholder - just look at the announcement of the JV to see that.
Also the fact that the COO of VS has said they will now evaluate Skyteam entry is saying a lot.
Deltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8225 times:
Not in SkyTeam yet, but I just don't see how they don't try to move Virgin into the AF/KL/AZ JV over time. IMO it just means now Virgin has to sit down and talk to AF/KL group and see about a deal.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 12): I had long hoped VS would enter Star and bring VA/DJ along with them. Now I'm not so hopeful.
I don't think DJ was going to happen. They also have a JV with Delta.
Anything think this could lead to some kind of deal between DL and VX(codeshare...not the M word)?
Quoting mayor (Reply 13): Did we EVER hear anything from SQ or VS on any talks for VS to join Star?
not really. lately we have started to hear Alliance talk from VS. It looked like Star would be it (codeshare with BD, SQ owning 49%) but things change fast.....
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delimit From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1433 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8093 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 17): looking at some Delta's hubs, ATL, SLC, MSP, DTW, MEM, why would Virgin ever want to fly to these places?
Because the whole point of doing this for VS is expanding their reach into the US and Delta will provide pax for them at the DL hubs? It's not really rocket science.
LHRFlyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2010, 740 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8001 times:
Quoting g500 (Reply 17): looking at some Delta's hubs, ATL, SLC, MSP, DTW, MEM, why would Virgin ever want to fly to these places?
Branson would be crazy to send virgin to one those places even if DL owns a piece of VS.
No he wouldn't. If you look at the AA and BA schedules post ATI, they are now up to five daily flights to AA's hubs at DFW and MIA. If DL want to be a player in the transtlantic market they need decent frequency to their hubs. I would put money on ATL eventually going to five daily and the slots will have to come from somewhere.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7348 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7389 times:
Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5): So hoping to see a Virgin B744 in ATL in the future!!! We need some more variety in ATL.
Atlanta could use some of the "Glow" from Virgin Atlantic, why not offer passengers a Virgin experience from cities Virgin doesn't fly to, ATL is the logical place for this. Detroit would also be a good connecting point. Virign flies to the traditional coastal international hubs, so this benefits them as well as Delta. Maybe Virgin will offer flights to Salt Lake City too.
flybry From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 19 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7361 times:
If Virgin Atlantic adds Atlanta, or any other Delta hubs, VA will have to cut flights elsewhere because LHR is slot controlled and it’s not like VA is going to get new slots right? So which flights will VA cut in order to provide service to DL hubs?
VFRontop From Ireland, joined Oct 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7275 times:
Quoting LHRFlyer (Reply 19): No he wouldn't. If you look at the AA and BA schedules post ATI, they are now up to five daily flights to AA's hubs at DFW and MIA. If DL want to be a player in the transtlantic market they need decent frequency to their hubs.
Not sure we are comparing like with like here. BA has high demand and yield from O&D traffic to DFW (finance/business/oil) and MIA (premium leasure and Latin/South American gateway)
What has VS to gain other then connection traffic at MSP, SLC, DTW or MEM? I can see the benefits of ATL but other than that I cant see VS serving any other DL hub.
Also where do people think the LHR slots for all these new destinations are going to come from? I see some minor repositioning and shuffling of slots between DL and VS to improve schedules to current destinations but the result will still be net neutral when it comes to airports served.
bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5981 posts, RR: 9 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7022 times:
Quoting dcann40 (Reply 10): agree - but it matters more for non-Delta flyers (AF, KLM, etc.) in SkyTeam than for Delta flyers right now, I would presume.
I don't quite follow the logic in that statement
25 vgnatl747: Things do change fast, and we need to be realistic here. VS has always wanted to remain independent. I think they've started to come to the realizati
26 Lufthansa: Actually the post about slot controls is relevant. What we already know is this will be metal neutral, so, I'd say this may very well put VS's A380 o
28 EddieDude: Maybe seasonal? But then again, I would imagine that Brits ski in the Alps, not in the Rockies, so maybe no.
29 LGWflyer: I agree maybe seasonal, but you'll be surprised at how many Brits I think would go there. I believe Colorado is already quite popular.[Edited 2012-12
31 mayor: And SLC is more convenient and accessible to the ski areas than DEN is to theirs.
32 adg737800: North America is a huge, HUGE skiing destination from the UK and it's growing all the time! I'm sure there were or are charters into Denver (Thomson?
33 bjwonline: As others have said, I can very easily see VS starting service to ATL for the vast number of connections. I think this would be best served by the B74
34 Lufthansa: I worked at a risk resort on the Utah side of these rockies 10 years ago, and even back then I had plenty of Brits staying in house, coming in on the
35 delimit: VS may have slots that are currently not in use. I mean, they've announced 3 shorthaul routes. Obviously those slots didn't magically appear. Not sur
36 Polot: Those are slots they got from BA as a result of the BA/BD merger. They are required to use them on certain short haul routes for the next few years o
37 NWADTWE16: DL runs Double Daily DTW-LHR in the Summer so thats what got me thinking VS could run one. Obviously theres already slots there for DL, although i don
38 jumpjets: One of the conditions that an airline applying for the BA 'remedy' slots was that it had to be using all its' current slots. VS had to reclaim two of
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