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Pegasus Orders A320NEO and A321NEO  
User currently offlinerheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2213 posts, RR: 5
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12467 times:

According to this article, Pegasus could have ordered 100 A320NEO's:
http://www.tasimasektoru.com/pegasus...7-milyar-dolarlik-ucak-aliyor.html

As I don't understand the Turkish language beyond google-translations, I'd ask somebody who is able to read the article properly to bring certainty.

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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

If you run the text of the article through Google Translate, this is what you get:

Pegasus Airlines for 90 Airbus A320neo will get the agreement on December 18 at 15:00 Transportation, Communication and Navigation signing ceremony attended by Minister Binali Yildirim. 70 final, 20 a total of 90 aircraft converted into an option agreement that will make the exact order, Pegasus, all Boeing 737 fleet consists of changing the joint session.
 
List purchase price, including 96.7 million dollars opsiyonyar for A320neo'lar Pegasus Airlines Airbus will pay a total of 8 billion 703 million dollars. New member of the family of Airbus A320 NEO model, will begin to be delivered from 2016.
 
Pegasus Airlines from Sabiha Gokcen Airport is near the newly built Airbus head office at a ceremony held at the level of Vice President will attend.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12227 times:

Yes, it is not firm yet, but looks like the order will be signed on the 18th. 70 firm + 20 options for A320 NEOs.

Funny thing is; they only have 737s and the owner was very enthusiastic about the 737 -> even their call center phone number is 250 0 737 !!!



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

I know Pegasus did a RFP with both Airbus and Boeing back in July for an order for about 40 to 50 new planes, excluding options.

Looking at it, Airbus is the winner with an order for 70 A320NEO's, with an option for 20 planes.

Pegasus is currently operating around 40 planes, mainly B737's, with still a a dozen B737-800s to be delivered. I expected Pegasus to remain loyal to Boeing, so this can be seen as a coup for Airbus.

Cheers!   



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12188 times:
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Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
Looking at it, Airbus is the winner with an order for 70 A320NEO's, with an option for 20 planes.

Indeed it looks like this. But I will wait for an official confirmation before I count this one as final.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
I expected Pegasus to remain loyal to Boeing, so this can be seen as a coup for Airbus.

If confirmed, then yes, it would be a nice coup for Airbus.  

[Edited 2012-12-12 07:02:37]

User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12059 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 4):
If confirmed, then yes, it would be a nice coup for Airbus.

Indeed.

On a slightly related note, what's the O&D tally so far this year between A & B? IIRC, this wouldn't put much of a dent in B's lead, right?



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11983 times:
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Quoting sturmovik (Reply 5):
IIRC, this wouldn't put much of a dent in B's lead, right?

No, it won't. Boeing has a year now which is more or less comparable with the year Airbus had in 2011. The NEO was the big driver of sales for Airbus then, and the MAX is the big driver for the sales success Boeing has this year. Over time it will probably (more or less) even out in the market which is owned by Airbus and Boeing together.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11824 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 6):
Boeing has a year now which is more or less comparable with the year Airbus had in 2011

If confirmed the NEO order-book will stand at 1649 frames!
The MAX order-book is at the moment 969.
I expect the NEO order-book might "always" be about 500-800 frames larger than the MAX because of the difference in EIS (about 18 months).

If this changes for the benefit of either Airbus or Boeing I would call it a "lead" by that model.
Otherwise they are pretty even IMO.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Nice find, rheinwaldner. Turkey's airporthaber has also picked up on it:
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...ri/pegasus-imzalari-mi-atacak.html

Guess we'll learn more on the 18th.

edit to add: Above article also would also suggest they'd be taking VX's slots (google translation):
"The new generation A320neo less carbon emissions and fuel economy and the environment, which aims to take delivery of orders as of 2015, is aimed at Pegasus."

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 6):
Boeing has a year now which is more or less comparable with the year Airbus had in 2011.

In terms of percentages and excluding the possible Pegasus order, they're darn near identical. Boeing is currently at 64%, the same percentage Airbus held in 2011  

[Edited 2012-12-12 07:53:07]

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 8):
In terms of percentages and excluding the possible Pegasus order, they're darn near identical. Boeing is currently at 64%, the same percentage Airbus held in 2011

Does that include the unidentified order for 100, of which it seems the client is AirAsia?


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11451 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 9):
Does that include the unidentified order for 100, of which it seems the client is AirAsia?

It does. I just used their latest net figures.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 9):
AirAsia

Speaking of which...

"AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA), the region’s biggest discount airline, plans to unveil an order for 100 Airbus A320 jets today as the carrier expands operations to fend off rising competition, two people familiar with the contract said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ing-order-for-100-airbus-jets.html


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 11):
"AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA), the region’s biggest discount airline, plans to unveil an order for 100 Airbus A320 jets today

Does that mean that it's not AirAsia who's included as unidentified in Novembers spreadsheet?


User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 12):
Does that mean that it's not AirAsia who's included as unidentified in Novembers spreadsheet?

No, that article is dated December 13th. So the order is unidentified until tomorrow. In next month's O&D spreadsheet, it will show the orders for AirAsia.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 12):
Does that mean that it's not AirAsia who's included as unidentified in Novembers spreadsheet?

I guess we'll see this order confirmed today, revealing that AirAsia was the unidentified customer of November.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

From the quoted article:

The order was signed last month and announced by Airbus as an undisclosed customer, the people said.


User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Do you know if Pegasus has any long haul plans? If I remember correctly at some point they were thinking about US routes but I am not sure.

It would be lovely if they add a few wide bodies to the order ( I know a big no no for LCC's but still it will be good to see some big aircraft at SAW )


User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 16):

I bet in the next decade, TK will be challenged on its trunk long haul routes, like JFK, by a Turkish based company.
It would be awesome if this was Pegasus, I know even though it doesn't match its business plan (though look at AirBerlin), or it could be a revamped Atlasjet....
And wouldn't it be awesome if this was out of SAW. It could work, IST-JFK is probably around 60% O&D, but yet Pegasus have enough of a hub to accommodate transfers.
Maybe 100 NEOs, could be a sweet negotiating platform for a handful of 332/333s???


User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8483 times:

You just read my mind, I was hoping for a 332  

TK 's US routes are getting a bit pricey so I am sure an alternative will work, especially from SAW


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

Announcement of order is expected today, which will be streamed live at:
http://flypgslive.com/index-eng.php

They currently have a test stream up with the Airbus logo on stage.

Seattle Times suggests 75 + 25, mix of A320/321 (neo).


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Closer and closer to order 100 A320 family:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rkey-pegasus-idUSLNE8BG00Q20121217

Great news   

[Edited 2012-12-18 02:46:34]


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Confirmed, its 58 A320 NEO and 17 A321NEO plus 25 options.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rkey-pegasus-idUSL5E8NI6BS20121218



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6767 times:
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Nice 'win' for Airbus. Am I right in thinking this is only the 2nd 737NG operator to select the A320neo (after AA)?

Other than Tiger, has any other A320 operator selected MAX?



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

For anyone interested in tuning in, the press conference is about to begin:
http://flypgslive.com/index-eng.php


User currently offlinelegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

So where are the total orders standing at now for the A320 NEO series?

1654 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_orders) + whatever AA firms up.

When all the above is firmed, that must bring it close to 1800 orders for the NEO alone?



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25 sirtoby : Tiger? You mean Silkair, right? As for 737NG operators switching to NEO, there is also Norwegian and Transaero.
26 Post contains images scbriml : Oops, indeed.
27 Post contains images TK787 : Congrats to Pegasus and Airbus. It is nice to point out that Pegasus outdid TK in terms of the largest onetime order. I can see TK reversing this very
28 Post contains links sirtoby : It could be soon 2000+ orders and commitments... http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20...12/airbus-year-end-order-buzz.html
29 TK787 : Can someone summarise the capacities of 320 and 321NEO? Thank you.
30 sirtoby : A320: max pax capacity: 180 A321: max pax capacity: 220 Airbus is just considering extra exit doors for the A321 to raise capacity to 235.
31 legoguy : Huge amount! It breaks down currently as: 1654 Firm Orders 155 Commitments (AA + MEA, etc) 444 options Totalling 2253 Orders, options and commitments
32 Post contains links Chiad : Our dear flood has summarized "everything" there is to know about the NEO and Max orders here: http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm Thanks!! I find it s
33 TK787 : TK to order 100 narrow bodies soon. It could be more, it could be a split as.
34 flood : The next sizable one seems to be the Lion Air order which currently seems to be in Airbus' favor. Thanks for the plug, btw... time flies, the chart h
35 gokmengs : Great news for both Pegasus and Airbus! Bold move switching from all 737 to 320 family. Can mods please change the title of this thread...
36 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Looking good:
37 Post contains images EPA001 : It sure does. So now after the confirmation congrats are in place to all involved.
38 Post contains images LAXintl : Congrats to Airbus and Pegasus The owner/CEO has talked about his personal dreams to connect his family home town of Adana with the world, however onl
39 Yakamoz : Does I'm right, that all ordered aircraft since yesterday (so without this 100 Neo's) are delivered, or are there not delivered airplanes?
40 JoeCanuck : Turkey seems to fly under the radar as an airline power, but I suspect this will change over the next few years. I believe it won't be to long before
41 Post contains links kaitak : This is great news for Airbuss, but it must be quite a concern to those airlines currently studying both types. If you assume a production rate of ab
42 Hamlet69 : Thankfully for the airlines, real-world production isn't 'stacked-up' like that. For instance, AirAsia only planned on taking @ 25 NEO's a year. I do
43 Stitch : I wonder if Airbus will reconsider their decision not to increase A320 production to 44 per month...
44 Post contains images LifelinerOne : I suggest a new livery.... Cheers!
45 BlueShamu330s : I wonder if Airbus should have considered buying Woodford for a supplemental line... Rgds
46 Hamlet69 : I'm sure they're still studying it for the future. But the final decision will likely have to do with: a) their confidence in the supply chain being
47 Tupolev160 : Yes, it did. Good point about Pegasus developing in the similar pattern as Air Berlin. I am glad they've chosen Airbus but what, in your opinion, made
48 scbriml : In this specific case, availability seems to have been a significant factor. It's been suggested that Airbus was able to offer earlier slots thanks t
49 neutrino : From what I understand, since B's annual production is at monthly times twelve and A's at monthly times eleven, having equal monthly rates would tran
50 Stitch : And this likely explains SilkAir switching from the A320 classic to the 737MAX.
51 LAXintl : Even before the order was placed the CEO of Pegasus had made public comments some 6-months ago that delivery of the 737 delivery would be 2-years late
52 ODwyerPW : Congradulations to Airbus on this order. That is a sizeable conquest.
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