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Pegasus Orders A320NEO and A321NEO  
User currently offlinerheinwaldner From Switzerland, joined Jan 2008, 2213 posts, RR: 5
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12467 times:

According to this article, Pegasus could have ordered 100 A320NEO's:
http://www.tasimasektoru.com/pegasus...7-milyar-dolarlik-ucak-aliyor.html

As I don't understand the Turkish language beyond google-translations, I'd ask somebody who is able to read the article properly to bring certainty.

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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12379 times:

If you run the text of the article through Google Translate, this is what you get:

Pegasus Airlines for 90 Airbus A320neo will get the agreement on December 18 at 15:00 Transportation, Communication and Navigation signing ceremony attended by Minister Binali Yildirim. 70 final, 20 a total of 90 aircraft converted into an option agreement that will make the exact order, Pegasus, all Boeing 737 fleet consists of changing the joint session.
 
List purchase price, including 96.7 million dollars opsiyonyar for A320neo'lar Pegasus Airlines Airbus will pay a total of 8 billion 703 million dollars. New member of the family of Airbus A320 NEO model, will begin to be delivered from 2016.
 
Pegasus Airlines from Sabiha Gokcen Airport is near the newly built Airbus head office at a ceremony held at the level of Vice President will attend.


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12227 times:

Yes, it is not firm yet, but looks like the order will be signed on the 18th. 70 firm + 20 options for A320 NEOs.

Funny thing is; they only have 737s and the owner was very enthusiastic about the 737 -> even their call center phone number is 250 0 737 !!!



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

I know Pegasus did a RFP with both Airbus and Boeing back in July for an order for about 40 to 50 new planes, excluding options.

Looking at it, Airbus is the winner with an order for 70 A320NEO's, with an option for 20 planes.

Pegasus is currently operating around 40 planes, mainly B737's, with still a a dozen B737-800s to be delivered. I expected Pegasus to remain loyal to Boeing, so this can be seen as a coup for Airbus.

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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12188 times:
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Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
Looking at it, Airbus is the winner with an order for 70 A320NEO's, with an option for 20 planes.

Indeed it looks like this. But I will wait for an official confirmation before I count this one as final.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 3):
I expected Pegasus to remain loyal to Boeing, so this can be seen as a coup for Airbus.

If confirmed, then yes, it would be a nice coup for Airbus.  

[Edited 2012-12-12 07:02:37]

User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12059 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 4):
If confirmed, then yes, it would be a nice coup for Airbus.

Indeed.

On a slightly related note, what's the O&D tally so far this year between A & B? IIRC, this wouldn't put much of a dent in B's lead, right?



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11983 times:
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Quoting sturmovik (Reply 5):
IIRC, this wouldn't put much of a dent in B's lead, right?

No, it won't. Boeing has a year now which is more or less comparable with the year Airbus had in 2011. The NEO was the big driver of sales for Airbus then, and the MAX is the big driver for the sales success Boeing has this year. Over time it will probably (more or less) even out in the market which is owned by Airbus and Boeing together.


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11824 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 6):
Boeing has a year now which is more or less comparable with the year Airbus had in 2011

If confirmed the NEO order-book will stand at 1649 frames!
The MAX order-book is at the moment 969.
I expect the NEO order-book might "always" be about 500-800 frames larger than the MAX because of the difference in EIS (about 18 months).

If this changes for the benefit of either Airbus or Boeing I would call it a "lead" by that model.
Otherwise they are pretty even IMO.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 11774 times:

Nice find, rheinwaldner. Turkey's airporthaber has also picked up on it:
http://www.airporthaber.com/havacili...ri/pegasus-imzalari-mi-atacak.html

Guess we'll learn more on the 18th.

edit to add: Above article also would also suggest they'd be taking VX's slots (google translation):
"The new generation A320neo less carbon emissions and fuel economy and the environment, which aims to take delivery of orders as of 2015, is aimed at Pegasus."

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 6):
Boeing has a year now which is more or less comparable with the year Airbus had in 2011.

In terms of percentages and excluding the possible Pegasus order, they're darn near identical. Boeing is currently at 64%, the same percentage Airbus held in 2011  

[Edited 2012-12-12 07:53:07]

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 8):
In terms of percentages and excluding the possible Pegasus order, they're darn near identical. Boeing is currently at 64%, the same percentage Airbus held in 2011

Does that include the unidentified order for 100, of which it seems the client is AirAsia?


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 11451 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 9):
Does that include the unidentified order for 100, of which it seems the client is AirAsia?

It does. I just used their latest net figures.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10700 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 9):
AirAsia

Speaking of which...

"AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA), the region’s biggest discount airline, plans to unveil an order for 100 Airbus A320 jets today as the carrier expands operations to fend off rising competition, two people familiar with the contract said."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ing-order-for-100-airbus-jets.html


User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9870 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 11):
"AirAsia Bhd. (AIRA), the region’s biggest discount airline, plans to unveil an order for 100 Airbus A320 jets today

Does that mean that it's not AirAsia who's included as unidentified in Novembers spreadsheet?


User currently offlineSEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9731 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 12):
Does that mean that it's not AirAsia who's included as unidentified in Novembers spreadsheet?

No, that article is dated December 13th. So the order is unidentified until tomorrow. In next month's O&D spreadsheet, it will show the orders for AirAsia.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9601 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 12):
Does that mean that it's not AirAsia who's included as unidentified in Novembers spreadsheet?

I guess we'll see this order confirmed today, revealing that AirAsia was the unidentified customer of November.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

From the quoted article:

The order was signed last month and announced by Airbus as an undisclosed customer, the people said.


User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9008 times:

Do you know if Pegasus has any long haul plans? If I remember correctly at some point they were thinking about US routes but I am not sure.

It would be lovely if they add a few wide bodies to the order ( I know a big no no for LCC's but still it will be good to see some big aircraft at SAW )


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 16):

I bet in the next decade, TK will be challenged on its trunk long haul routes, like JFK, by a Turkish based company.
It would be awesome if this was Pegasus, I know even though it doesn't match its business plan (though look at AirBerlin), or it could be a revamped Atlasjet....
And wouldn't it be awesome if this was out of SAW. It could work, IST-JFK is probably around 60% O&D, but yet Pegasus have enough of a hub to accommodate transfers.
Maybe 100 NEOs, could be a sweet negotiating platform for a handful of 332/333s???


User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8483 times:

You just read my mind, I was hoping for a 332  

TK 's US routes are getting a bit pricey so I am sure an alternative will work, especially from SAW


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7197 times:

Announcement of order is expected today, which will be streamed live at:
http://flypgslive.com/index-eng.php

They currently have a test stream up with the Airbus logo on stage.

Seattle Times suggests 75 + 25, mix of A320/321 (neo).


User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Closer and closer to order 100 A320 family:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rkey-pegasus-idUSLNE8BG00Q20121217

Great news   

[Edited 2012-12-18 02:46:34]


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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6821 times:

Confirmed, its 58 A320 NEO and 17 A321NEO plus 25 options.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...rkey-pegasus-idUSL5E8NI6BS20121218



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User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6767 times:
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Nice 'win' for Airbus. Am I right in thinking this is only the 2nd 737NG operator to select the A320neo (after AA)?

Other than Tiger, has any other A320 operator selected MAX?



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6728 times:

For anyone interested in tuning in, the press conference is about to begin:
http://flypgslive.com/index-eng.php


User currently offlinelegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6722 times:

So where are the total orders standing at now for the A320 NEO series?

1654 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_orders) + whatever AA firms up.

When all the above is firmed, that must bring it close to 1800 orders for the NEO alone?



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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 25, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 22):
Other than Tiger, has any other A320 operator selected MAX?

Tiger? You mean Silkair, right?
As for 737NG operators switching to NEO, there is also Norwegian and Transaero.


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 26, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6927 times:
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Quoting sirtoby (Reply 25):
Tiger? You mean Silkair, right?

Oops, indeed.   



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7301 times:

Congrats to Pegasus and Airbus.
It is nice to point out that Pegasus outdid TK in terms of the largest onetime order.
I can see TK reversing this very shortly. TK is in love with numbers  


User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 28, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7259 times:

Quoting legoguy (Reply 24):
When all the above is firmed, that must bring it close to 1800 orders for the NEO alone?

It could be soon 2000+ orders and commitments...

http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20...12/airbus-year-end-order-buzz.html


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 29, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

Can someone summarise the capacities of 320 and 321NEO? Thank you.

User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 369 posts, RR: 22
Reply 30, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 29):
Can someone summarise the capacities of 320 and 321NEO? Thank you.

A320: max pax capacity: 180
A321: max pax capacity: 220

Airbus is just considering extra exit doors for the A321 to raise capacity to 235.


User currently offlinelegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 31, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

Quoting sirtoby (Reply 28):

Quoting legoguy (Reply 24):
When all the above is firmed, that must bring it close to 1800 orders for the NEO alone?

It could be soon 2000+ orders and commitments...

http://aeroturbopower.blogspot.de/20...12/airbus-year-end-order-buzz.html

Huge amount!

It breaks down currently as:

1654 Firm Orders
155 Commitments (AA + MEA, etc)
444 options

Totalling 2253 Orders, options and commitments.



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User currently offlineChiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Our dear flood has summarized "everything" there is to know about the NEO and Max orders here:
http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm

Thanks!!

I find it surprising that the last 3 orders (185 frames) has gone to the NEO, resulting in almost 2 of 3 planes on firm order in this battle being NEO's.
IMO this is starting to look like some domination even though the MAX is to EIS some 18 months later.
Do anyone know about some upcoming orders that might change the balance either way?


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4392 posts, RR: 12
Reply 33, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6828 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 32):
Do anyone know about some upcoming orders that might change the balance either way?

TK to order 100 narrow bodies soon. It could be more, it could be a split as.


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 32):
Do anyone know about some upcoming orders that might change the balance either way?

The next sizable one seems to be the Lion Air order which currently seems to be in Airbus' favor.

Thanks for the plug, btw... time flies, the chart has grown a little since the early NEO days of pasting a tiny table here.

[Edited 2012-12-18 06:54:19]

User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6525 times:

Great news for both Pegasus and Airbus! Bold move switching from all 737 to 320 family.
Can mods please change the title of this thread...



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 36, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Looking good:

http://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/262689_574090232607265_1679522148_n.jpg



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4705 posts, RR: 38
Reply 37, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6397 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
Looking good:

It sure does.

So now after the confirmation congrats are in place to all involved.  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24856 posts, RR: 46
Reply 38, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6374 times:

Congrats to Airbus and Pegasus   

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 16):
Do you know if Pegasus has any long haul plans? If I remember correctly at some point they were thinking about US routes but I am not sure.

The owner/CEO has talked about his personal dreams to connect his family home town of Adana with the world, however only last week there was a news story that he clearly stated there was no place for longhaul in the Pegasus LCC business model. I know Boeing has certainly made 787 presentations to Pegasus in the past.


Might also be interesting to know that Atlasjet got very close to acquiring A340s. They even signed a LOI with ILFC for a pair of ex Virgin Atlantic aircraft. Their plans were to offer both New York and Bangkok service. Unfortunately their ownership changed just at the juncture that this was happening which changed the companies strategy away from scheduled service back into more charter and ACMI flying which killed the deal.



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User currently offlineYakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

Does I'm right, that all ordered aircraft since yesterday (so without this 100 Neo's) are delivered, or are there not delivered airplanes?

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5405 posts, RR: 30
Reply 40, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6112 times:

Turkey seems to fly under the radar as an airline power, but I suspect this will change over the next few years. I believe it won't be to long before they provide a real challenge to the Gulf carriers.


What the...?
User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 41, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5957 times:

Quoting Chiad (Reply 7):
If confirmed the NEO order-book will stand at 1649 frames!
Quoting legoguy (Reply 31):
1654 Firm Orders155 Commitments (AA + MEA, etc)444 options

This is great news for Airbuss, but it must be quite a concern to those airlines currently studying both types. If you assume a production rate of about 30 a month (which it will probably take some time to reach, being a new aircraft), that's about four and a half year's production. Assuming production begins on time and the first delivery takes place in 2015 as planned, then an airline ordering now would not get its own aircraft (i.e. ordered directly) much before 2020.

Looking at the current production list, lessors account for around 360 of the orders placed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A320neo_orders

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 40):
Turkey seems to fly under the radar as an airline power, but I suspect this will change over the next few years. I believe it won't be to long before they provide a real challenge to the Gulf carriers.

I agree totally - up to the point that I think TK does, in many markets. TK recently announced that it serves more countries than any other airline and it has ambitious growth plans for next year, not to mention a plan to order 100 narrowbody types next year. (I realise you're talking about the country, whereas I'm talking about TK!). One of the biggest challenges facing Turkish aviation, and by implication TK, is the lack of capacity at IST and the need to get the new airport opened NE of Istanbul by 2016 - a very tall order!

With the collapse of Syria, strife in Egypt and the isolation of Iran, Turkey's geopolitical importance is going up and up and that can only help Turkey economically, and indeed its airlines.


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 42, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5778 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 41):
This is great news for Airbuss, but it must be quite a concern to those airlines currently studying both types. If you assume a production rate of about 30 a month (which it will probably take some time to reach, being a new aircraft), that's about four and a half year's production. Assuming production begins on time and the first delivery takes place in 2015 as planned, then an airline ordering now would not get its own aircraft (i.e. ordered directly) much before 2020.

Thankfully for the airlines, real-world production isn't 'stacked-up' like that. For instance, AirAsia only planned on taking @ 25 NEO's a year. I don't know if that has changed with last month's order, but even if it did, my hunch would be that figure only increased by 2-4 more frames a year. Otherwise, you're talking about a HUGE capital expenditure in a very short time frame, and that would be a burden on even the most profitable of company's.

In addition, there is often also a certain amount of 'jockeying for position.' Case in point: this very order. Airbus was able to win the Pegasus deal by offering the airline Virgin America's 2015/16 slots.

Regards,

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30581 posts, RR: 84
Reply 43, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5619 times:
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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 42):
In addition, there is often also a certain amount of 'jockeying for position.' Case in point: this very order. Airbus was able to win the Pegasus deal by offering the airline Virgin America's 2015/16 slots.

I wonder if Airbus will reconsider their decision not to increase A320 production to 44 per month...


User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1916 posts, RR: 7
Reply 44, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5514 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):
Looking good:

I suggest a new livery....

Cheers!   



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2865 posts, RR: 25
Reply 45, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

I wonder if Airbus should have considered buying Woodford for a supplemental line...

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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2735 posts, RR: 58
Reply 46, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5377 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 43):
I wonder if Airbus will reconsider their decision not to increase A320 production to 44 per month...

I'm sure they're still studying it for the future. But the final decision will likely have to do with: a) their confidence in the supply chain being able to support it. And: b) what Boeing (and their respective supply chain) does as well.

As it stands, both Boeing and Airbus will be producing at 42/month very soon, which to my knowledge is unprecedented. Both in the number produced, as well as the fact they'll be producing at equal rates. Which is why we're seeing near-perfect parity in terms of orders.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineTupolev160 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 47, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4030 times:

Yes, it did. Good point about Pegasus developing in the similar pattern as Air Berlin. I am glad they've chosen Airbus but what, in your opinion, made them go for an entirely different fleet than the one they already have? Are they unhappy about their Boeing performances or...?

User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 48, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
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Quoting Tupolev160 (Reply 47):
I am glad they've chosen Airbus but what, in your opinion, made them go for an entirely different fleet than the one they already have? Are they unhappy about their Boeing performances or...?

In this specific case, availability seems to have been a significant factor. It's been suggested that Airbus was able to offer earlier slots thanks to the deferral of early neo deliveries by VX.

Despite what both OEMs claim with regard to their product vs the other, overall buying patterns suggest there's very little between them. So it looks as though earlier availability for neos swung it sufficiently for Pegasus to jump to Airbus.



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 46):
As it stands, both Boeing and Airbus will be producing at 42/month very soon, which to my knowledge is unprecedented. Both in the number produced, as well as the fact they'll be producing at equal rates.

From what I understand, since B's annual production is at monthly times twelve and A's at monthly times eleven, having equal monthly rates would translate into B outputting more anually.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30581 posts, RR: 84
Reply 50, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3563 times:
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Quoting scbriml (Reply 48):
Despite what both OEMs claim with regard to their product vs the other, overall buying patterns suggest there's very little between them. So it looks as though earlier availability for neos swung it sufficiently for Pegasus to jump to Airbus.

And this likely explains SilkAir switching from the A320 classic to the 737MAX.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24856 posts, RR: 46
Reply 51, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3326 times:

Even before the order was placed the CEO of Pegasus had made public comments some 6-months ago that delivery of the 737 delivery would be 2-years later compared to Airbus.

Imo this order was Boeing's to lose, which they did. I'm sure the combination of earlier delivery slots, and competitive pricing was enough to push Pegasus into the Airbus camp.

Many carriers these days seems agnostic in the A vs B debate when the products are so comparative.



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User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3272 times:

Congradulations to Airbus on this order. That is a sizeable conquest.


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