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National Airlines (USA) Plans DXB-Afghanistan  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Posted (1 year 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 7665 times:

National Airlines has filed with the US DOT for authority to engage in scheduled passenger operations from the US via Dubai to Afghanistan.

National states for the last year it has successfully operated 757 charter flights on near daily basis from Dubai to points in Afghnaistan on behalf of the US government, NGO's and private companies and now seeks to convert this to a scheduled operation.

As part of the expansion, National also seeks approval to enter into a codeshare agreement with either a US or foreign carrier on the route between Washington IAD and Dubai to feed its planned 757 beyond service.

National initially states it will plans to operate a 5 x weekly routing consisting of Dubai - Kabul - Bagram - Kandahar effective March 2013.

Carrier also states it is in the process of acquiring a 2nd passenger 757 to assist with this scheduled flying.


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User currently offlinetsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 626 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 23 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

Can they just set up shop in DXB like that? I would imagine charter work is one thing...but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
Can they just set up shop in DXB like that? I would imagine charter work is one thing...but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

They would probably need that indeed...but this is what confused me here:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
to engage in scheduled passenger operations from the US via Dubai to Afghanistan.

FROM the US to Afghanistan.....how would National get to DXB ?



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User currently offlineblueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3900 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 21 hours ago) and read 7250 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
how would National get to DXB ?
Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
As part of the expansion, National also seeks approval to enter into a codeshare agreement with either a US or foreign carrier on the route between Washington IAD and Dubai to feed its planned 757 beyond service.

That.

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

Dubai hands out traffic rights like candy.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7114 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 7148 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):

That.

Hmm So UA or EK screams at this one.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12279 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 6993 times:
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Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Carrier also states it is in the process of acquiring a 2nd passenger 757 to assist with this scheduled flying.

Why would they do that when they seem to have three parked at OSC?

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24634 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

Dubai hands out traffic rights like candy.

They don't need anything from the UAE since it's an Open Skies market with unlimited 5th freedom rights at beyond or intermediate points. They of course also need such rights from the 3rd country involved, in this case Afghanistan.


User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6877 times:
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If not DXB, then KWI. I flew from KWI on a Griffon Airways DC-9 twice into Kandahar. KWI is NEVER busy, especially compared to DXB. There is at least one other airline in addition to Griffon that flies out of DXB to points in Afghanistan, but I forgot it's name.

Just an FYI for you.

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User currently offlineTZFALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 80 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6837 times:

Is this the same National Airlines that was Vegas based and closed up shop around 2002?

User currently onlinemaxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 1071 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 6675 times:

Quoting TZFALAX (Reply 8):
Is this the same National Airlines that was Vegas based and closed up shop around 2002?

No connection whatoever, unless someone knows differently.

Like the original Braniff and Pan Am, there is only one National Airlines - 1934 to 1980!


User currently offlinetb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1572 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
Why would they do that when they seem to have three parked at OSC?

Those are combi's, I don't know what's going on with those.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
Can they just set up shop in DXB like that? I would imagine charter work is one thing...but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

UAE is an extremely liberal place for airlines to do business, especially a US airline that shares broad open-skies rights.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Dubai hands out traffic rights like candy.

  

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
So UA or EK screams at this one.

Yes I wonder who they will hook up with. Obviously whomever gives them the best rates and space to allow them to sell US-Afghanistan itineraries

Quoting TZFALAX (Reply 8):
Is this the same National Airlines that was Vegas based and closed up shop around 2002?

Nothing to do with that National.

This National has been in business for almost 30-years, and was a merger between National Air Cargo and Murray Air.

http://www.nationalairlines.aero/

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User currently onlineboberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 6375 times:
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Quoting tb727 (Reply 10):
Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
Why would they do that when they seem to have three parked at OSC?

Those are combi's, I don't know what's going on with those.

On their website is has a note that they are awaiting government approval for the 757 Combi


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24707 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Those 3 combi's are going to ATSG for US military flying.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/atsg-c...ernization-purchase-171000044.html

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User currently onlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Several carriers were looking to get that combi business from ATI, and modified or planned to modify 757s in order to get it. I think North American was trying to get it as well. Now ATI is collecting the game pieces created by others.

National is basically the successor to Murray Air, which used to move around auto parts in DC8s. The current National is actually doing a good deal of military business, and some very specialized military business.


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