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National Airlines (USA) Plans DXB-Afghanistan

LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51
Posted (5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6176 times:

National Airlines has filed with the US DOT for authority to engage in scheduled passenger operations from the US via Dubai to Afghanistan.

National states for the last year it has successfully operated 757 charter flights on near daily basis from Dubai to points in Afghnaistan on behalf of the US government, NGO's and private companies and now seeks to convert this to a scheduled operation.

As part of the expansion, National also seeks approval to enter into a codeshare agreement with either a US or foreign carrier on the route between Washington IAD and Dubai to feed its planned 757 beyond service.

National initially states it will plans to operate a 5 x weekly routing consisting of Dubai - Kabul - Bagram - Kandahar effective March 2013.

Carrier also states it is in the process of acquiring a 2nd passenger 757 to assist with this scheduled flying.

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tsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 602 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6070 times:

Can they just set up shop in DXB like that? I would imagine charter work is one thing...but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4985 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 5850 times:

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
Can they just set up shop in DXB like that? I would imagine charter work is one thing...but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

They would probably need that indeed...but this is what confused me here:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
to engage in scheduled passenger operations from the US via Dubai to Afghanistan.

FROM the US to Afghanistan.....how would National get to DXB ?

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blueflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
how would National get to DXB ?

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
As part of the expansion, National also seeks approval to enter into a codeshare agreement with either a US or foreign carrier on the route between Washington IAD and Dubai to feed its planned 757 beyond service.

That.

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

Dubai hands out traffic rights like candy.

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PHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 4985 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):

That.

Hmm So UA or EK screams at this one.

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scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11366 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Carrier also states it is in the process of acquiring a 2nd passenger 757 to assist with this scheduled flying.

Why would they do that when they seem to have three parked at OSC?

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Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21498 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

Dubai hands out traffic rights like candy.

They don't need anything from the UAE since it's an Open Skies market with unlimited 5th freedom rights at beyond or intermediate points. They of course also need such rights from the 3rd country involved, in this case Afghanistan.

fridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1383 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 5382 times:

If not DXB, then KWI. I flew from KWI on a Griffon Airways DC-9 twice into Kandahar. KWI is NEVER busy, especially compared to DXB. There is at least one other airline in addition to Griffon that flies out of DXB to points in Afghanistan, but I forgot it's name.

Just an FYI for you.

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TZFALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 77 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5342 times:

Is this the same National Airlines that was Vegas based and closed up shop around 2002?

maxpower1954 From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 854 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5180 times:

Quoting TZFALAX (Reply 8):
Is this the same National Airlines that was Vegas based and closed up shop around 2002?

No connection whatoever, unless someone knows differently.

Like the original Braniff and Pan Am, there is only one National Airlines - 1934 to 1980!

tb727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
Why would they do that when they seem to have three parked at OSC?

Those are combi's, I don't know what's going on with those.

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LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

Quoting tsnamm (Reply 1):
Can they just set up shop in DXB like that? I would imagine charter work is one thing...but wouldn't they need some sort of 5th freedom rights via DXB?

UAE is an extremely liberal place for airlines to do business, especially a US airline that shares broad open-skies rights.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Dubai hands out traffic rights like candy.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
So UA or EK screams at this one.

Yes I wonder who they will hook up with. Obviously whomever gives them the best rates and space to allow them to sell US-Afghanistan itineraries

Quoting TZFALAX (Reply 8):
Is this the same National Airlines that was Vegas based and closed up shop around 2002?

Nothing to do with that National.

This National has been in business for almost 30-years, and was a merger between National Air Cargo and Murray Air.

http://www.nationalairlines.aero/

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boberito6589 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting tb727 (Reply 10):
Quoting scbriml (Reply 5):
Why would they do that when they seem to have three parked at OSC?

Those are combi's, I don't know what's going on with those.

On their website is has a note that they are awaiting government approval for the 757 Combi

LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22070 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Those 3 combi's are going to ATSG for US military flying.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/atsg-c...ernization-purchase-171000044.html

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wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Several carriers were looking to get that combi business from ATI, and modified or planned to modify 757s in order to get it. I think North American was trying to get it as well. Now ATI is collecting the game pieces created by others.

National is basically the successor to Murray Air, which used to move around auto parts in DC8s. The current National is actually doing a good deal of military business, and some very specialized military business.

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