spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7507 times:
If this is true, I'm very surprised that they didn't start with Florida routes too!
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 7443 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Thread starter): Im hearing that B6 has/will announce BOS-PHL 5x weekly starting in May.
I hope you mean 5x daily.
Not a bad schedule but to complete against US' frequency they may need to be up in the 8-10 range. 190s are good aircraft for the route.
southwest737500 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 594 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6888 times:
flyby519 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 852 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6848 times:
Making lots of assumptions (AA/US merge and B6 does start PHL) it could be perfect timing. The combined carrier might shift focus and leave an opening.
deltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8771 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6839 times:
Quoting etops1 (Reply 6):
US will Crush them as they have all the others who tried this route and failed .. Next !
The previous attempts here were as follows:
American Eagle - until Oct 2004. Was 10x/day in 2000, 4x/day in 2004. All on ERJs (135/145).
Delta Connection - until July 2004. Started 6x/day in 2000, 4x/day in the end. Mix of CRJs/FRJ-328s.
AirTran - Jun 2003-Oct 2007. Mostly 3-4x/day 717.
Delta Connection (round 2) - Nov 2007-Jul 2009. 3-5x CRJs.
Southwest - Jul 2010-Feb 2012. Started 8x/737, ended 6x/737
With Eagle/Delta, the RJs on AA/DL were simply far inferior to the US product. With FL, they simply didn't have the frequency for business travelers. Southwest had the frequency, but they had US on the PHL end where they had a ton of frequent flyers, and in BOS Southwest was new.
This time, if B6 has 6x/day or so E-190, they have likely the right frequency, the lower number of seats, as well as a huge market base on the Boston end of the market - a place where US has pulled back a good bit over the past 5-6 years.
womenbeshoppin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6786 times:
Quoting etops1 (Reply 6): US will Crush them as they have all the others who tried this route and failed .. Next !
Totally agree, US has such a huge grip on this route, there is no room for another carrier as pointed out. I remember WN putting fares at 99 each way for quite sometime and still getting crushed. Why even try?
American Eagle - until Oct 2004. Was 10x/day in 2000, 4x/day in 2004. All on ERJs (135/145).
Delta Connection - until July 2004. Started 6x/day in 2000, 4x/day in the end. Mix of CRJs/FRJ-328s.
AirTran - Jun 2003-Oct 2007. Mostly 3-4x/day 717.
Delta Connection (round 2) - Nov 2007-Jul 2009. 3-5x CRJs.
Southwest - Jul 2010-Feb 2012. Started 8x/737, ended 6x/737
You go back even further in the 90s and you can add the likes of Northwest Airlink, Nations Air Express, JetTrain, Delta Connection as Business Express, Midway Airlines, I think ValuJet... I think that's all.
icebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 621 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6596 times:
I have been waiting for this announcement to come also as PHL is the largest business market out of BOS that we do not serve currently. As for us getting crushed by US, I don't believe it. They have bigger issues right now like trying to merge with AA and did they ever fix the pilot issues between US and HP pilots? I could also see PHL-LGB maybe but who knows.
LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
usflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6560 times:
Quoting N757ST (Reply 12): Southwest never had a hub at either end... B6 does. This route will do very well.
BOS is not a very useful hub for PHL based-travellers. It is in the wrong direction for everywhere. B6 would do fine with the BOS folks but struggle on the PHL end.
crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1594 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6559 times:
Quoting flyjoe (Reply 11): You go back even further in the 90s and you can add the likes of Northwest Airlink, Nations Air Express, JetTrain, Delta Connection as Business Express, Midway Airlines, I think ValuJet... I think that's all.
Hey Don't forget DLH DC-10's, AFR 707's, SWR 743's and AZA DC-10's didn't survive this route either
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2656 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6483 times:
Like BWI and DCA, this route will be a bloodbath for B6. And please don't tell me they are making money with their 10 flights a day to DCA because the CEO says they are.
However, B6 has reached the point in BOS that the only expansion they can do is into fortress hubs.
Out of ATL, DTW, MSP, or PHL...this is the point of least resistance.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6367 times:
Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 16): Like BWI and DCA, this route will be a bloodbath for B6. And please don't tell me they are making money with their 10 flights a day to DCA because the CEO says they are.
I'm confused, do yo think DCA and BWI are doing well for B6? I think they are, otherwise they probably wouldn't have kept them for this long and, especially in DCA's case, wouldn't be expanding.
bos2laf From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 354 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6265 times:
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 17): I'm confused, do yo think DCA and BWI are doing well for B6? I think they are, otherwise they probably wouldn't have kept them for this long and, especially in DCA's case, wouldn't be expanding.
As I've said before, they're not shy about dropping unprofitable routes. JFK-PIT, JFK-RIC, ORD-LGB, pulling back BOS-OAK and SJC to seasonal, the list goes on... ONT, CMH, BNA, the IAD pullback.
If they've been flying it for over a year (allowing time to gain traction), you better believe its profitable, or they'll pull the plug.
spiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6251 times:
Quoting bos2laf (Reply 19): If they've been flying it for over a year (allowing time to gain traction), you better believe its profitable, or they'll pull the plug.
That's what I thought, but jfklganyc made it sound like he didn't think it was profitable.
jfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2656 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5882 times:
In BOS with business markets...they are very persistent.
They will run a DCA flight 5 hours late if they have to to show the business traveller they don't cancel.
As for my belief: bwi loses lots of money, dca to bos with that frequency loses money too. Bos to dfw has less exposure and likely makes money. Phl will bleed money
usairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3097 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5645 times:
Let the blood bath begin.
Checked a random date in June
$17 ai midweek fares, $64 weekend and during business travel times
5 flts a day
First PHL-BOS departure is at 8:45am, last is 8:25pm. I think the first flt might be a bit late for business travelers, last is good.
They will not RON an aircraft in PHL The last BOS-PHL flt leaves at 6:10pm which is early
phl27rphotog From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 76 posts, RR: 5 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5239 times:
Not a rumor anymore, offiicial announcement made this morning:
25 AirFrance744: From another thread: I just looked at this on the JetBlue site and found fares for this as low as $17 each way just about a week after they launch the
26 richierich: Yes and no, I think. Yes, B6 will probably lose money on the route, but frankly I'd be surprised if US is making any money at 16 weekday frequencies
27 globetrotter29: Just bought a same day roundtrip for $33.60. Gonna enjoy some leisurely plane spotting in June!
28 avi8: I think this is a smooth move for B6. Excellent connecting opportunities are offered and travel times are neat for buisiness travelers. I don't think
29 richierich: Where can you go from BOS that you can't go to directly from PHL? OK, ACK and MVY perhaps, but is that a big market from PHL?
30 avi8: Just because there are direct flights from PHL does not mean you wouldn't use DL and connect at ATL, or AA and connect at DFW. Maybe it's cheaper to g
31 PHLBOS: Great news and about time! Another advantage B6 has over US is that the first check bag is still free on B6. So even if US matches B6's fares; if one'
32 BOStonsox: It's nice to see this monopoly finally get broken. BOS/PVD/MHT-PHL has 1270 PDEW, that's the seventh largest market from the Boston area and is larger
33 doulasc: I think its great to see JetBlue coming to PHL. I would have thought FLL and MCO would be included and maybe TPA.Later maybe a flight to the west coas
34 chrisnh: I saw nothing even remotely that low. Must have all been scooped up...
35 usairways85: They must have. I saw them as late as noon today but it looks like the mid-week fares are up to ~$55
36 Flytravel: Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 14): BOS is not a very useful hub for PHL based-travellers. It is in the wrong direction for everywhere. B6 would do fine w
37 wnflyguy: WN has struggled with PHL from the get go and BOS I feel is only pulling WN traffic that used to travel from PVD and MHT. B6 has a strong loyalty in B
38 usflyer msp: That is great but no one will fly those routings. You can drive PHL-BUF in 6.5-7 hours...connecting via Boston will take: 1.5 hours PHL-BOS 1.75 hour
39 PHLwok: Maybe, but mostly only on the BOS side barring a buildup in PHL by B6 and the resulting increase in frequent flyer base. They're clearly targeting th
40 Byrdluvs747: If the merger goes through and US becomes AA, can the northeast relationship between AA and B6 survive? I suspect AA will have to increase the frequen
41 wnflyguy: "WIN" I say this only because B6 has the best product in air travel. And once it's Internet is up and running it's rumored that it will not have any r
42 Flytravel: How is the PHL-BOS flight 1.5 hours? Actually in flight time is less. Driving to BUF at where it's 7 hours isn't a fun drive for most, and too old an
43 usairways85: Oh the inflight time is likely much less. They probably pad the schedule with at least 20-30 minutes to account for tarmac delays. I know PHL-EWR and
44 jfklganyc: Just like B6 has done down the road at the other mega hub for US (CLT)? How's that looking now? 2 flights a day to BOS, 3 to JFK. Heck, US didn't eve
45 usflyer msp: Yes, PHLBOS is blocked for 1.5 hours. For connecting flights the actual flight time is irrelevant, B6 is not going to let a pax book an illegal conne
46 usairways85: Honestly though even if B6 goes after connections it likely is not going to be intra-NE destinations it's probably going to be the longer stage flts
47 jetbluefan1: This route makes sense and is at the right frequency. Despite the long history of airlines dropping off and US standing as the lone market server, I t
48 avi8: B6 does offer good PHL-BOS-West Coast connections. Some people might even do PHL-BOS-TPA/MCO/JAX etc. Flying in the opposite direction is really nothi
49 PHLBOS: From last Friday's Philadelphia Inquirer: http://www.philly.com/philly/busines...means_cheaper_fares_in_Phila_.html Interesting excerpt from the artic
50 southwest737500: B6 really needs to bulid on what they have. I try to fly B6 alot from CLT and there connection are horrible. Its the lack of flights from CLT. Which i
51 apodino: From an O and D standpoint, I think B6 is the one carrier other than US that can make this work. US does have an FF monopoly on the PHL end. B6 has be
52 usflyguy: Will US put mainline equipment on the flights that depart at roughly the same time as the corresponding B6 flights?
53 usflyer msp: I think we overestimate the loyalty of B6's frequent flyer base in BOS. TrueBlue is not a particularly well-regarded or generous program. Most BOS-ba
54 PHLBOS: Actually, every LFC that flew the route had only mainline equipment. It was only AA, DL &, way back when, NW & Business Express that utilized
56 usairways85: Isn't the B6 to Int'l connection in BOS rather cumbersome? Do you have to exit and re-enter security? I think what really does hurt PHL is that if so
57 usflyer msp: I really don't see how this is such a huge advantage for B6. US has the same interline agreements B6 does at BOS...
58 ScottB: I'd also argue that people underestimate frequent flyer loyalty to US in BOS as well, especially among those who fly frequently to PHL. At one time,
59 PHLBOS: For the last couple of years, the New Jersey Turnpike between Exits 8A (Route 32 Jamesburg-Cranbury) & 6 (Pennsylvania Turnpike Connector) has be
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