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Brazil To Build Over 800 New Airports  
User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3846 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9379 times:

Brazil to build over 800 new airports

Brazil will build over 800 new regional airports, said President Dilma Rousseff.

- Figures in Brazil are big. We plan 800 regional airports to cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants, the president told French business leaders at a seminar in Paris on Wednesday.

She says that Brazil is a country the size of a continent. The country needs more rail, but many people have no alternative but to travel by plane.

- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.

Brazil, which has 194 million inhabitants of a territory which is 17 times the size of Spain, is planning to upgrade its dilapidated infrastructure in the coming years.

Among other things, the capacity of the country's airports blasted after air transport increased by over 120 percent in the past decade as a result of that 30 million people have been lifted out of poverty and have started to fly for the first time.

Article translated from Norwegian:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ur...ge-800-nye-flyplasser-7068888.html


Interesting developments. People are gonna be put to work in Brazil, that's for sure. I'm guessing that more aircraft orders are on it's way too in the comming years ...  

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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9347 times:

She's completely delusional. Forget what she said.

User currently onlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9197 times:

What a dumb witch! They can't even remodel current airports.

User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6142 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9115 times:
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Everyday she´s looking more and more like her bipolar counterpart in Buenos Aires. She might build them. Who´s to say airlines are going to fly there? A recipe for money losing white elephants for sure.


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User currently onlinetonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9066 times:

Brazil does not have a sustainable domestic market and she wants to build another 800? And why would you build airports if the roads are so great! Have any of you ever traveled through Minas?

User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.

User currently offlineRG787 From Brazil, joined Nov 2010, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8712 times:

What is running trough my mind is that those airports will be regional, then, where are the planes flying to? Bigger airports, the ones that are crowded now and the government doesn't put serious investment on. This is a recipe to chaos. And kiwi, you didn't miss it, it's 800 nutports.

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8675 times:

How environmentally friendly.


chase the sun
User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8569 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.

"Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"

The number reported in Aftenposten is definitely 800. My Norwegian is more or less non-existent but I wonder if in Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?

I guess that the intention is to provide the infrastructure to enable air links to all towns with a population of 100,000 or more.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8474 times:

Quoting art (Reply 9):
"Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"

I was thinking the paper not the OP miss quoted, it happens frequerntly in Norway especially with numnbers where the number said and the number translatedto are often wildly different.


User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5491 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8382 times:

Not sure I understand what "environmental effects" are being complained of here.

While I don't buy the 800 figure, I commend the initiative to improve and increase the country's aviation infrastructure. It is useful and valuable to the country as a whole, and to the local communities in which the airfields are built.

Lastly, it is irrelevant whether a regional airline can and will serve any particular location; a healthy general aviation infrastructure is vital and valuable, as well.



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8181 times:

Brazilians here are not commenting on the 800 airports based on the Norwegian article. 800 is really the figure mentioned. It was all over the news in Brazil:
http://oglobo.globo.com/economia/dil...roportos-regionais-no-pais-7024002

It's really insane and will never be done. Nobody needs to worry about, especially when it comes to the environment. Brazil has one of the most restrictive environmental laws. It's not adequately enforced after the projects are done, but when it comes to licensing, it's a real bureaucratic nightmare. Not in this century will 800 airports be built.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3846 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8100 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5):
Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11):
I was thinking the paper not the OP miss quoted, it happens frequerntly in Norway especially with numnbers where the number said and the number translatedto are often wildly different.

The 800 number is correct and is not a misstranslation from the Norwegian article. Anyone can search google or yahoo and find numerous articles with the same quoted number.

Quoting art (Reply 9):
Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
We plan 800 regional airports to cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.




Now, the 800 number is deffinetly hard to beleave and I personally don't know what to think about it. However Brazil and other developing countries like China will see an increase in passenger numbers as people will get an increase in wealth and will be able to travel more unlike before. It is in Asia, Africa and South America the increase in airtravel will increase in the future.

[Edited 2012-12-13 07:35:00]

[Edited 2012-12-13 07:35:38]

User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1781 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8051 times:

Could it be 800 landing strips?


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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3682 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting Marcus (Reply 15):
Could it be 800 landing strips?

No, 800 regional airports, which in Brazil are seen as airports capable of handling RJs or at least larger turboprops.


User currently offlineBCBHokie From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

How about just two new international ones, one in Rio de Janeiro and one in Sao Paulo? Both are inefficient, dingy, dysfunctional train wrecks.

Its sad when one of the worlds most powerful economies can't build decent airports in its two most important world cities. When you somehow manage to make LAX and JFK look like HKG and SIN by comparison, it is time to start over.

I know Brazil is capable if they put their mind to it... CGH and SDU are pleasant and efficient, but GRU and GIG are a different story.


User currently offlinebeiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

For a bit of scale in your mind's eye....
In the US, the number of airports offering commercial airline service is 503 (http://www.airlines.org/Pages/Airports-QA.aspx), meaning that the people-to-airport ratio is about 618 000:1. Even if there were no existing airports in Brazil, after these 800 airports were built, the people-to-airport ratio would be about 245 000:1. This would mean that the airport per capita rate in Brazil would be more than twice as high as in the US, and I'm not sure anyone would think the US is short on airports.
This to say nothing of what the comparative rate would be if we included only those who had the means to travel by air, which I'm fairly confident would be significantly higher in the US than in Brazil, making the ratio even more extreme.



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User currently offlinetimpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

They ought to stick to upgrading or better yet buldozing GRU and GIG before millions pour through these wretched places for the World Cup and Rio Olympics.

User currently offlineTR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 775 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7107 times:

Before thinking of constructing 800 new airports, they should make the existing ones better. MUCH better.
What a reverie...



Transbrasil
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12905 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6980 times:
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Now we know where all the planes being bought will fly.  
Quoting sccutler (Reply 12):
While I don't buy the 800 figure, I commend the initiative to improve and increase the country's aviation infrastructure.

Agree. Now for something to off-load (replace) GRU.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.

A little ambitious. It takes a larger population to support an airfield unless there is significant wealth. I'm doubting the 800, but a few hundred is reasonable. Heck, China is building 400 runways which implies Brazil needs at least a hundred more.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
as a result of that 30 million people have been lifted out of poverty and have started to fly for the first time.

And that is why the 'epicenters of aviation' shall shift. Brazil and Indonesia will be too hot spots of growth.

Quoting TR763 (Reply 22):
Before thinking of constructing 800 new airports, they should make the existing ones better. MUCH better.

They should do both.

Lightsaber



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5331 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6966 times:

Is there any plan for improving the benighted ATC system?

User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7024 times:

Oh no, We already pay too much taxes.... LOL, jokes apart, I make my fellow brazilian posters words mine: "She can't even remodel the old ones, you can imagine build new and helpful ones"....

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Given Brazil's population concentration is mostly on its eastern coast, where is the justification for 800 airports even if only regional?




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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5767 times:

For irony's sake she said that in France where there is local civil unrest because of an airport project, with its main proponent being former Nantes' mayor and current socialist prime minister Jean-Marc Ayrault. Some experts are saying it could lead to a governmental breakdown.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8942 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

Quoting beiaard (Reply 19):
This to say nothing of what the comparative rate would be if we included only those who had the means to travel by air, which I'm fairly confident would be significantly higher in the US than in Brazil, making the ratio even more extreme.

That, plus the US has about 100,000,000 more people.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
25 danielkandi : "Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff" The number reported in Aftenposten is definitely 800. My Norw
26 incitatus : Brazil's geography is not unlike the Continental USA. Brazil's area is larger. The Continental US also has vast empty spaces. Wealth in the Western h
27 pierrelav : Another Brazilian wet dream. Can barely cope with their present shabby infrastructure. 20 N.M separation in effect on many airports due to poor radar
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