Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2 Posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7923 times:
Brazil to build over 800 new airports
Brazil will build over 800 new regional airports, said President Dilma Rousseff.
- Figures in Brazil are big. We plan 800 regional airports to cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants, the president told French business leaders at a seminar in Paris on Wednesday.
She says that Brazil is a country the size of a continent. The country needs more rail, but many people have no alternative but to travel by plane.
- We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.
Brazil, which has 194 million inhabitants of a territory which is 17 times the size of Spain, is planning to upgrade its dilapidated infrastructure in the coming years.
Among other things, the capacity of the country's airports blasted after air transport increased by over 120 percent in the past decade as a result of that 30 million people have been lifted out of poverty and have started to fly for the first time.
Interesting developments. People are gonna be put to work in Brazil, that's for sure. I'm guessing that more aircraft orders are on it's way too in the comming years ...
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 4844 posts, RR: 27 Reply 3, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7659 times:
Everyday she´s looking more and more like her bipolar counterpart in Buenos Aires. She might build them. Who´s to say airlines are going to fly there? A recipe for money losing white elephants for sure.
tonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 959 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7610 times:
Brazil does not have a sustainable domestic market and she wants to build another 800? And why would you build airports if the roads are so great! Have any of you ever traveled through Minas?
RG787 From Brazil, joined Nov 2010, 108 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7256 times:
What is running trough my mind is that those airports will be regional, then, where are the planes flying to? Bigger airports, the ones that are crowded now and the government doesn't put serious investment on. This is a recipe to chaos. And kiwi, you didn't miss it, it's 800 nutports.
art From Lebanon, joined Feb 2005, 2937 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7113 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5): Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.
"Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"
The number reported in Aftenposten is definitely 800. My Norwegian is more or less non-existent but I wonder if in Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?
I guess that the intention is to provide the infrastructure to enable air links to all towns with a population of 100,000 or more.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 5286 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7018 times:
Quoting art (Reply 9): "Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff"
I was thinking the paper not the OP miss quoted, it happens frequerntly in Norway especially with numnbers where the number said and the number translatedto are often wildly different.
sccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5091 posts, RR: 28 Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6926 times:
Not sure I understand what "environmental effects" are being complained of here.
While I don't buy the 800 figure, I commend the initiative to improve and increase the country's aviation infrastructure. It is useful and valuable to the country as a whole, and to the local communities in which the airfields are built.
Lastly, it is irrelevant whether a regional airline can and will serve any particular location; a healthy general aviation infrastructure is vital and valuable, as well.
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It's really insane and will never be done. Nobody needs to worry about, especially when it comes to the environment. Brazil has one of the most restrictive environmental laws. It's not adequately enforced after the projects are done, but when it comes to licensing, it's a real bureaucratic nightmare. Not in this century will 800 airports be built.
Mortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3228 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6644 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 5): Are you sure it wasn't a miss translation, 800 sounds nuts, 80 sounds much more plausible.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 11): I was thinking the paper not the OP miss quoted, it happens frequerntly in Norway especially with numnbers where the number said and the number translatedto are often wildly different.
The 800 number is correct and is not a misstranslation from the Norwegian article. Anyone can search google or yahoo and find numerous articles with the same quoted number.
Quoting art (Reply 9): Norwegian the word "flyplass" could mean anything from an airstrip to a large airport. Any Norwegians able to clarify, please?
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): We plan 800 regional airports to cities with more than 100,000 inhabitants
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): - We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.
Now, the 800 number is deffinetly hard to beleave and I personally don't know what to think about it. However Brazil and other developing countries like China will see an increase in passenger numbers as people will get an increase in wealth and will be able to travel more unlike before. It is in Asia, Africa and South America the increase in airtravel will increase in the future.
BCBHokie From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 118 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6417 times:
How about just two new international ones, one in Rio de Janeiro and one in Sao Paulo? Both are inefficient, dingy, dysfunctional train wrecks.
Its sad when one of the worlds most powerful economies can't build decent airports in its two most important world cities. When you somehow manage to make LAX and JFK look like HKG and SIN by comparison, it is time to start over.
I know Brazil is capable if they put their mind to it... CGH and SDU are pleasant and efficient, but GRU and GIG are a different story.
beiaard From United States of America, joined May 2011, 41 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6161 times:
For a bit of scale in your mind's eye....
In the US, the number of airports offering commercial airline service is 503 (http://www.airlines.org/Pages/Airports-QA.aspx), meaning that the people-to-airport ratio is about 618 000:1. Even if there were no existing airports in Brazil, after these 800 airports were built, the people-to-airport ratio would be about 245 000:1. This would mean that the airport per capita rate in Brazil would be more than twice as high as in the US, and I'm not sure anyone would think the US is short on airports.
This to say nothing of what the comparative rate would be if we included only those who had the means to travel by air, which I'm fairly confident would be significantly higher in the US than in Brazil, making the ratio even more extreme.
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timpdx From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 293 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6096 times:
They ought to stick to upgrading or better yet buldozing GRU and GIG before millions pour through these wretched places for the World Cup and Rio Olympics.
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10676 posts, RR: 100 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5524 times:
Now we know where all the planes being bought will fly.
Quoting sccutler (Reply 12): While I don't buy the 800 figure, I commend the initiative to improve and increase the country's aviation infrastructure.
Agree. Now for something to off-load (replace) GRU.
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): - We want all cities of over 100,000 inhabitants to have an airport within 60 miles, she said.
A little ambitious. It takes a larger population to support an airfield unless there is significant wealth. I'm doubting the 800, but a few hundred is reasonable. Heck, China is building 400 runways which implies Brazil needs at least a hundred more.
Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter): as a result of that 30 million people have been lifted out of poverty and have started to fly for the first time.
And that is why the 'epicenters of aviation' shall shift. Brazil and Indonesia will be too hot spots of growth.
Quoting TR763 (Reply 22): Before thinking of constructing 800 new airports, they should make the existing ones better. MUCH better.
seabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 4277 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5510 times:
Is there any plan for improving the benighted ATC system?
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andrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5568 times:
Oh no, We already pay too much taxes.... LOL, jokes apart, I make my fellow brazilian posters words mine: "She can't even remodel the old ones, you can imagine build new and helpful ones"....
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2147 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4777 times:
Given Brazil's population concentration is mostly on its eastern coast, where is the justification for 800 airports even if only regional?
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Aesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 4787 posts, RR: 9 Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4311 times:
For irony's sake she said that in France where there is local civil unrest because of an airport project, with its main proponent being former Nantes' mayor and current socialist prime minister Jean-Marc Ayrault. Some experts are saying it could lead to a governmental breakdown.
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PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8492 posts, RR: 43 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4012 times:
Quoting beiaard (Reply 19): This to say nothing of what the comparative rate would be if we included only those who had the means to travel by air, which I'm fairly confident would be significantly higher in the US than in Brazil, making the ratio even more extreme.
That, plus the US has about 100,000,000 more people.
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25 danielkandi: "Brasil skal bygge over 800 nye regionale flyplasser, opplyser president Dilma Rousseff" The number reported in Aftenposten is definitely 800. My Norw
26 incitatus: Brazil's geography is not unlike the Continental USA. Brazil's area is larger. The Continental US also has vast empty spaces. Wealth in the Western h
27 pierrelav: Another Brazilian wet dream. Can barely cope with their present shabby infrastructure. 20 N.M separation in effect on many airports due to poor radar
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