clrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 10774 times:
Is that link working for anyone else? I can't get it to open.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5445 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10642 times:
I'm pondering at just how many of them will be MRJ90s, though---if any. Based on scope for DL, AA, and (as of yet undecided) UA, the biggest that can be ordered for those is the MRJ70-ER. The maxmimum weight weights for scope would have to increase about 1,500 lbs. or so for the MRJ-90-STD to fall within scope so as to fit 76 seats with a first/E+/Economy configuration.
I guess US and AS are still on the table, though.
Based on current specs, the MRJ-70ER fits the current CRJ-700 mission model like a glove (ASE/EGE testing nonwithstanding.) However, as for the MRJ90's, the best fit is the LR model, as the ER model falls about 300NM short of current CRJ-900 mission requirements; however, the 90LR is about 8,000 lbs. over current scope limits.
[Edited 2012-12-13 06:11:25]
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lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 8, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9684 times:
This is exciting. It also implies an end customer.
Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 4): I'm pondering at just how many of them will be MRJ90s
The weights are an interesting question. I would expect most to be MRJ90s, but that will depend on scope.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9287 times:
Can't wait to see these make a few appearances in St George which i am sure they will to show to employees and stuff.
KGRB From United States of America, joined Sep 2010, 614 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9109 times:
Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 6): So does this mean that Skywest/Expressjet are done with the CRJ? Meaning that they will not order anymore for themselves?
Between these 100 aircraft, the 16 9E CRJ-900s that are being transfered to EV, and the 40 CRJ-900s DL just ordered (which I suspect will mainly be operated by OO and EV), I doubt they'll have the need for more aircraft for quite a while. But I'm sure SkyWest, Inc. still has great ties with Bombardier and would order the CRJ-700 or -900 again for the right price. SkyWest has never been too keen on sticking with one manufacturer exclusively, operating EMB-120s alongside the CRJs for years.
mrocktor From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1646 posts, RR: 51 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8943 times:
They are officially in the game now, can't be a happy day down in Brazil (between this and the recent CRJ sale, not a happy year really...).
The trick is getting the plane approved, delivered and meeting requirements. I would count on further delays since Mitsubishi are first timers in the modern transport aircraft market - but with this big an order on the books this program is definitely surviving whatever difficulties they have with certification and EIS.
Aaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7638 posts, RR: 28 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8740 times:
Quoting lollomz (Reply 11):
Well, at least now the MRJ project have a big customer, the project will see the light. Who will be the launch customer?
The project has been a go for a long time now.
Quoting mrocktor (Reply 13): I would count on further delays since Mitsubishi are first timers in the modern transport aircraft market
I am close to some people in MRJ program management, and while there are definitely concerns, they are pretty well on top of it. They have a long relationship with Boeing and are getting consulting help on the certification front. Not to mention that JCAB's certification requirements are perhaps more strict than the FAA or JAA in some respects and they are getting plenty of assistance on the Japanese government end as well.
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Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5445 posts, RR: 12 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8735 times:
Quoting mrocktor (Reply 13): I would count on further delays since Mitsubishi are first timers in the modern transport aircraft market
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 5310 posts, RR: 47 Reply 16, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8655 times:
delta747tlv From United States of America, joined Aug 2012, 22 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8389 times:
We wont see it in Delta colors with 90 seats. If they configure it as a 76 seater cause of F and Y+ then it can fly connection flights, otherwise it violates the pilots contract.
Goldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5445 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 8236 times:
Quoting delta747tlv (Reply 18): We wont see it in Delta colors with 90 seats. If they configure it as a 76 seater cause of F and Y+ then it can fly connection flights, otherwise it violates the pilots contract.
If this order is truly for MRJ90s, and MRJ90s only, I can only bet that there will be a new, snazzy SkyWest livery coming in the next 4 years---if you catch my drift.
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ouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4005 posts, RR: 23 Reply 20, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7885 times:
I may have missed this, but is there anything to say that these must be flown in the US? SkyWest has invested overseas in a few instances and this could be setting them up for that or to sublease out.
Any opinion/comment posted is that of my own and not that of Southwest Airlines Co.
Squid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7852 times:
Why didn't they just order ERJ-175's or 190's? These AC have been in production for several years and airlines and passengers seem to like them. Or why not order the C-Series? Also what is the possiblitity of scope clauses being relaxed to allow regional airlines fly AC up to 100 seats in the near future?
infiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 172 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7512 times:
Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 20): I may have missed this, but is there anything to say that these must be flown in the US? SkyWest has invested overseas in a few instances and this could be setting them up for that or to sublease out.
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6571 times:
Quoting lollomz (Reply 11): Who will be the launch customer?
I'm curious about this as well. I think that they have either NH or an affiliate on board and I think one of the other U.S. regionals (though possibly that was just me hearing about the SkyWest order before it was firmed.)
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10690 posts, RR: 100 Reply 24, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6390 times:
Quoting gigneil (Reply 9): The article does explicitly call out the MRJ90.
That being said, I am extremely interested in what colors they'll be in.
Ditto. Any hints?
Quoting mrocktor (Reply 13): They are officially in the game now, can't be a happy day down in Brazil (between this and the recent CRJ sale, not a happy year really...).
Sadly I must agree. However, I see the E-jets making a comeback with a re-engine. I rather like the e-jets... Even if they have GE engines.
Quoting mrocktor (Reply 13): I would count on further delays since Mitsubishi are first timers in the modern transport aircraft market
So would I. Mitsubishi is having more than a few delays as they figure out how to do things. They're doing better than Honda though... I cannot say way, so just take it as my opinion.
The last one was in 1977 IIRC. In other words, no one remembers how to do a new aircraft. Mitsubishi isn't like Northrop with a few new prototypes every year.
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25 ADent: The GTFs in the MRJs should burn less fuel than the ERJs. Being a launch/key early customer gets you discounts. Also you are flying fuel efficient GT
26 EWRkid1990: MRJ-90 look almost identical to an E190...why invest in a brand new aircraft type when there are models currently available that are already being rel
28 Aaron747: Actually, Mitsubishi has been / is a supplier in some way, shape, or form on the 737, 747, 767, 777, 787, A380, and Bombardier Global Express / Chall
29 ouboy79: Trip Linhas Aereas (TRIP) and Mekong Aviation Joint Stock Co. (Air Mekong) are both international investments they have made. You could argue they ar
30 LOWS: Didn't TransStates already order 100 a few years ago...?
31 Goldenshield: It was 50, with an option for 50.
32 1337Delta764: The MRJ90 is smaller than the E-190; its closest Embraer equivalent in terms of size is the E-175.
33 lightsaber: Fuel. The same reason DC-9's were replaced early. As noted by 1337Delta764, it is E175 sized though. But the MRJ will have a more advanced wing (I'm
34 Newark727: This is an interesting feature, I can't think of too many planes of this size that do it, though I guess the Q400 and ATR-72 are kind of in the ballp
35 PHX787: I wonder which airlines OO will contract the MRJ out to. UA? DL? Maybe AA or US? Anyone got any livery sketches of the MRJ yet?
36 cotparampguy: Wouldn't only having an aft cargo bin present weight and balance issues? Especially when the plane is being offloaded?
37 Goldenshield: Actually, that's not usually an issue since the bags will be offloaded at close to, or more than, the same rate that passengers would be disembarking
38 KGRB: The CRJ-900 and 1000 would be two examples, though they actually have small forward bins for the valet bags, as well. The rear bins are nice for ramp
39 FriendlySkies: Now that the new contract is ratified, I'd strongly suspect at least some of these will be in UA colors with 76 seats unless OO is planning something
40 crj900lr: US wants to expand the OO flying from what it is now to a much bigger presence through their system. This may accelerate this if a deal can be worked
41 lightsaber: That adds weight versus underfloor cargo area but with less aerodynamic drag. It is actually a compromise to improve longer missions *and* turn time
42 Wisdom: The weight stays about the same but it reduces drag. The weight stays the same because the MRJ's underfloor will be much narrower. The aluminum you s
43 something: Triple digit A320 and 737 orders may be nice for the manufacturers, but from an enthusiast's standpoint this order is one of the most exciting orders
44 rampart: This interests me. Does anyone know if Skywest will attempt to certify the MRJ for flying into ASE? Nominally, it could have better field performance
45 Goldenshield: I'm sure they can apply with the city for an exemption. I doubt anyone's going to cry foul over an additional 8 inches of wingspan since the plane wi
46 rampart: You don't know Aspen. The 95ft wingspan rule for ASE is already an exemption for the FAA. See page 9 here: http://www.aspenpitkin.com/Portals/0...cou
47 Goldenshield: Ah, well, then it's like the old SGU. Well, at least I now know who to properly blame. That said, I doubt that OO is going to dump their entire fleet
48 rampart: My understanding is that one reason (or at least helpful coincidence) NW and UA kept the BAe146 longer was to be able to continue to fly into ASE unt
49 apodino: The one question about this order that I would have would be that is Skywest going to be able to find flying for all these new birds? From a fuel and
50 msp747: Is the aft cargo bin going to be bigger on the MRJ than the CRJ's? Lack of bag space seems to be a problem on the CRJ-900's, or at least it's been a
51 SKAirbus: I wonder if the MRJ will be certified for LCY... Could be interesting to see if that could persuade some European carriers to order.
52 queb: Total cargo volume CRJ900: 594 ft3 (belly and aft) MRJ90: 644 ft3 (aft only) http://www.mrj-japan.com/press_releases/news_090909.html
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