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A380 - Airbus Close To 'Significant Order'  
User currently offlineafriwing From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2008, 62 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70549 times:

According to Aviation Week, Airbus is working on a significant A380 order


http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_12_12_2012_p0-527595.xml


so .. let the speculations begin   .. but let's first hope it's from a new customer, rather than a top-up order



Cheers



(Edit: corrected quote  Wink )

[Edited 2012-12-13 02:21:17]


afriwing
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User currently offlineshanxz From Singapore, joined Apr 2006, 243 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70522 times:

1. Turkish Airlines
2. Garuda Indonesia
3. Hainan Airlines

In that order of likelihood...



Airlines are in the service business, not transport. Brand matters...
User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5873 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70492 times:

Well, as much as I'd like it to be UA or DL (though I'd prefer a 748 order!), I suspect that it's not a US-based customer.
More for Emirates? Gee, I hope not.
Chinese?


User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70434 times:
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With the EU-China spat dissipating - with announcements for 320 & 330 orders since - and with JL being recently back from that country, is there anything we can deduce?

User currently offlineZKOKQ From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70415 times:

Is this a Cathay Order incoming?

User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70407 times:

i still expect CX to change their minds one day. Maybe we will have another chinese operator with this one.

User currently offlinespantax From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 323 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70342 times:

No room for speculations. I know for sure that it is .... Ryanair (999 PAX configuration). 


A300.10.19.20.21.30.40,AN26,ATR42,AVR146,B717.27.37.47.57.77,B1900,C130,C212,CH47,CRJ200.700,DC9,DHC4,ERJ135.190,F27
User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70245 times:

Ok I'll play!

I actually doubt that it's a(nother!) top-up for EK as they'd probably not have a MOU followed by a firm order later.

My thoughts:

New customers:

TK, NH, Tam or maybe one of the other Chinese carriers. As a real outside bet, that Thai startup whose name that I can't remember!


Top-ups:

BA, EY (seem to have lots a cash to splash at the moment) or KE

Interesting next 10 days 


User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70209 times:

why do I have this feeling it is going to be Philippine Airlines, there is much talk about Europe being receptive to the airlines "come back"

User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70143 times:

DL! They're on a roll this week  

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5205 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70153 times:

DL and VS ?   Bombarding LHR with A380's .

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70072 times:

1. Air China
2. Turkish Airlines
3. Cathay (one can dream)


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 70033 times:

Why do I have a feeling it's going to be GA...

EK413



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69985 times:

Since it's supposed to be "significant," we can assume it will not be a start-up or a smaller airline.
Of course it will not be Philippine Airlines, since they could not serve the US with it.
Maybe they are calling it significant because of the customer, not the number of airframes, which is intriguing.

If it's in regard of airframes, my money is on these three:

1. EY
2. TK
3. EK


If it's in regard of carrier:

1. CX
2. DL
3. UA



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineAirbusA370 From Germany, joined Dec 2008, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69982 times:

-800 or -900?   

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69863 times:

Depends what 'significant' means. Is it significant due to the number of aircraft ordered or due to the airline. If it is a new airline it could be thought significant to airbus.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69865 times:

Like others I hope its NOT Emirates.

I could think of, in no particular order:
Cathay
ANA
Turkish
Delta
United
BA
Etihad
Qatar
TAM (very remote chance)
China Airlines (very remote chance)
Air China or another major Chinese operator
or someone totally different


As for Garuda, maybe they could order 4, but that wouldnt be a significant order. "Significant" sounds like 10 or more, or a smaller order of an influential carrier not operating the A380 so far and bound to order more (CX, DL).


User currently offlineqf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69771 times:

Where was Leahy in the last few days??? Wasn't the A380 "demonstrator plane" flying from Hawaii to Hongkong afterwards???

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69769 times:

I've got a feeling BA may top up their order.. they have a lot of 744s to replace, which the 777X and A350 cannot cover in their entirety...

However, I hope it will be CX.. They have a lot of competition with A380s in service or arriving: Singapore Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana, China Southern, Malaysia Airlines, Thai...



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69725 times:

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 17):
Where was Leahy in the last few days??? Wasn't the A380 "demonstrator plane" flying from Hawaii to Hongkong afterwards???

So it's between Hawaiian and Cathay then  )) hehe



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User currently offlineqf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69720 times:

Please, let it be CX  ))))

User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 69630 times:

Quoting spantax (Reply 6):
No room for speculations. I know for sure that it is .... Ryanair (999 PAX configuration).

  

possibly the new "999 standing-active-full-flex" config! with personal energy-producing generators king of IFE where inflight mandatory competitions will be offered and the best ECO passsengers will be awarded lotery tickets/beverage discounts.. with trumpets!   


User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 69579 times:

To quote

"The French and the British are certainly happy that PAL is giving them a big chunk of the business via the acquisition of Airbus aircraft that include A330s, A320s, A340s, A319s, as well as A350s and A380s"
- The Philippine Star BUSINESS section Spy Bits by Babe G. Romualdez

......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....


User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 69229 times:

a CX 15/20 frame order would make my next night dream.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 22):
To quote

"The French and the British are certainly happy that PAL is giving them a big chunk of the business via the acquisition of Airbus aircraft that include A330s, A320s, A340s, A319s, as well as A350s and A380s"
- The Philippine Star BUSINESS section Spy Bits by Babe G. Romualdez

......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

maybe 6 frames for Manilla-North Amecrica ops? would be another another nice one, and that would make my first dream even more likely.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 69131 times:
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Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
More for Emirates? Gee, I hope not.
Quoting na (Reply 16):
Like others I hope its NOT Emirates.

Why not? They've already said they will need another 30. But, it would be unlike them to issue an MOU/LOI first. I also don't see them topping up before the Dubai Air Show next November.

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 22):
......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

Well, today they certainly haven't ordered either the A350 or A380. Then again, how reliable is the source? If they did order a bunch of A350s and A380s that would certainly upset some here who assumed the rest of the order was a slam-dunk for Boeing.

I'll be very surprised if it isn't an Asian carrier.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 25, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 71388 times:

Why would the British be happy?

Quoting worldrider (Reply 23):
maybe 6 frames for Manilla-North Amecrica ops? would be another another nice one, and that would make my first dream even more likely.

Under their current restrictions that would leave them with MEX, YVR, YUL and YYZ as possible destinations, since they are not allowed to change aircraft on their current US routes. I seriously doubt that they can persuade the FAA recategorizing them with an A380 order...



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 71029 times:

check out philippineairspace.blogspot.com the site explains the British on the Rolls Royce that complements the aircraft order........

User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 72221 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):

Under their current restrictions that would leave them with MEX, YVR, YUL and YYZ as possible destinations, since they are not allowed to change aircraft on their current US routes. I seriously doubt that they can persuade the FAA recategorizing them with an A380 order...

interesting info, thanks for the insight UM


User currently offlinePIEAvantiP180 From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 72391 times:
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Quoting AF185 (Reply 9):
DL! They're on a roll this week
Quoting KL911 (Reply 10):
DL and VS ? Bombarding LHR with A380's .
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 13):
2. DL
Quoting na (Reply 16):
Delta

You guys can for certanly take DL off the list. At least for as long as the current managment team is running the show. Yesterday during DL investor day conference R. Anderson mentioned several times that the A380 will not provide a reasonable ROI for DL over a 30year span. A reporter asked him how do you compare buying VS and an A380 and he said it does not come close.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 29, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 71999 times:
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Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):
Why would the British be happy?

Why wouldn't they be very happy? Airbus wings and RR engines for a start.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 72215 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):
Why would the British be happy?

Because a large part of the manufacturing takes place in the UK for the A380... The wings, which are if I'm not mistaken quite a big and critical part of the aircraft.

Also, many airlines have gone for Rolls Royce engines, which are British.

So essentially ordering an A380 is good for the British economy as well as the French, German, Spanish.. etc  



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User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 71656 times:

very well said SKAirbus!

User currently offlineWisdom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 32, posted (1 year 10 months 2 weeks ago) and read 71698 times:

My 3 choices:

-SQ
-LATAM
-CX


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 33, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71666 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 30):
Because a large part of the manufacturing takes place in the UK for the A380... The wings, which are if I'm not mistaken quite a big and critical part of the aircraft.

Also, many airlines have gone for Rolls Royce engines, which are British.

So essentially ordering an A380 is good for the British economy as well as the French, German, Spanish.. etc

After reading that blogspot entry, it becomes clear, why they are sucking up to the Brits.
Looks like quite a bit of bribery might be going on. Just sayin'.
We'll see what comes of this.
The more I think about it, the more I am leaning toward a CX order.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71447 times:

Quoting spantax (Reply 6):
No room for speculations. I know for sure that it is .... Ryanair (999 PAX configuration).

I'm sure they could fit a couple thousand with their all-standing configurations. 

I dearly hope it is CX or perhaps TK.

However, as others, I fear it will be EK (which has become so boring lately.... [unless it is A380-900])

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71326 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 33):
After reading that blogspot entry, it becomes clear, why they are sucking up to the Brits.
Looks like quite a bit of bribery might be going on. Just sayin'.
We'll see what comes of this.
The more I think about it, the more I am leaning toward a CX order.

Well if you are going to use that logic then I would say Germany and France are also culprits here. It has been known for Airbus orders to be signed in conjunction with state visits by the likes of Merkel and Sarkozy/Hollande so it is a bit naive to accuse the Brits of bribery here.



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 36, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71267 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 34):
However, as others, I fear it will be EK (which has become so boring lately.... [unless it is A380-900])

Which would also qualify as significant.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently onlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71170 times:

The report reads to me more like a new customer than a top up by an existing customer.

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 38, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71159 times:
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Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 33):
Looks like quite a bit of bribery might be going on. Just sayin'.

Just sayin' bribery? Based on what, exactly?   



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 39, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71148 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 35):
Well if you are going to use that logic then I would say Germany and France are also culprits here. It has been known for Airbus orders to be signed in conjunction with state visits by the likes of Merkel and Sarkozy/Hollande so it is a bit naive to accuse the Brits of bribery here.

Oh, no doubt about that.
But I haven't heard of any lobbying to let unsafe airlines come back into the EU by anyone but RR.  



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1623 posts, RR: 6
Reply 40, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 71298 times:

David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-20708486


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1896 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 70577 times:

It's going to be either major Asian or European customer. I highly doubt any carrier from North America will ever order A380. 777-9X is as large as they will go, size-wise.


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User currently offlineHooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 70386 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):

Must be a huge order if it's gonna save 9000 jobs.

I'll go for BA or CX.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 70396 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):
David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-n...08486

According to Bloomberg this is the AirAsia announcement, see:

AirAsia Order For 100 A320's To Be Conf'd 13-Dec (by Focker Dec 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

And:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...ing-order-for-100-airbus-jets.html


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 44, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 70286 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 41):
777-9X is as large as they will go, size-wise.

Much too late to replace their 744 fleets! And such plane would largely carry on the comfort and passenger appeal shortfalls the 77W now has against the 748I and A380.

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):
David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-n...08486

Airbus announces a deal securing 9000 jobs there. And they do make the A380 wings so its about a signifcant A380 deal. Sounds a lot like many more A380s for BA.


User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69976 times:

considering that new airlines cannot wait for an open slot for the A380 by 2015 was it or 2017 not so sure about the date but are there any frames available by 2013 must it be a new airline for the A380 needing it ASAP?

User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5205 posts, RR: 15
Reply 46, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69757 times:

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 42):
I'll go for BA or CX.

BA already has the A380 on order, and I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.


User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69621 times:

Quoting Richard28 (Reply 40):
David Cameron is going to Airbus Flintshire later today, where an announcement will be made...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-east-wales-20708486

Not sure whether this is related to an aircraft order or just a deal between Airbus and UK Govt. on tax breaks etc.

"The company says a new agreement will safeguard 1,500 Airbus jobs in the UK and 7,500 in its supply chain."

That comment makes it sound like industrial co-operation rather than an order.


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69713 times:

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 47):
That comment makes it sound like industrial co-operation rather than an order.

The article states:

The company says a multibillion-pound order for 100 A320 planes from AirAsia will safeguard 1,500 Airbus jobs in the UK and 7,500 in its supply chain.


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69664 times:

G´day

Likely Tony Fernandes is saving on travel costs by combining the order announcements for 100 A 320´s for Air Asia and a dozen or so A 380´s for Air Asia X expansion   

The BA top-up for twenty more will be announced when they get their first A 380 delivered next year.

The CX order for a dozen A 380´s is not going to happen this year, but then again the A company also needs some press next year


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6824 posts, RR: 77
Reply 50, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69219 times:

Quoting na (Reply 44):
And such plane would largely carry on the comfort and passenger appeal shortfalls the 77W now has against the 748I and A380.

Which are those exactly? Seats, pitch and IFE are independant from airframe size. Cabin noise? Not a good argument. I'd prefer engine/outside noise over snorring or loudly chatting people around me any time. Noise-cancelling headphones work in any case. Smoother cruise? No, I have experienced significant turbulence on the A380.


PH



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User currently offlineCerecl From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 740 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 69192 times:

My guess is CX, followed by BA, with TK and GA possible but less likely. I don't think Leahy needed to hold back if EK was behind the order because EK would have let everybody know by now. The same applies to EY and QR.

BA: They were talking about A350-1000/787-10/77X more than A380, and will they top up even before having A380 in service?
TK: Only recently did they announce substantial A330+77W orders. Do they still need A380?
GA and LATAM: don't know enough to comment.

Airlines that were mentioned in this thread but seems (very) unlikely
HU: They have only recently said they are looking to change their A380 orders into A330/A320s, makes little sense to place another order now.
SQ: Recently topped up with 5 more.
CA: They have 5x748i+19 77W+A350+787-9 on order/partially delivered. No need for A380.
MU: their largest aircraft is A346 (5) and they signed an MOU for 20x77W.
CZ: Needs to digest the 5 they ordered first.
NH: Seems focused on 787. I came across a report (sorry no link) recently that suggested that A380 is not very high on their priority list
UA: Weren't they thinking about A350-900/-1000 to replace their 747s? Should they require a VLA wouldn't 77X or 747-8i make more sense?
CI: They are ordering 77W
KE: With 10xA380 and 5x747-8i on order it seems its 16x744 replacement is done

Having said all that, does anyone know why A380 was flying from Hawaii to HK recently? If HA is not interested, which airline(s) was Airbus demonstrating to?

[Edited 2012-12-13 05:18:47]

User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 52, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 68492 times:

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
Having said all that, does anyone know why A380 was flying from Hawaii to HK recently? If HA is not interested, which airline(s) was Airbus demonstrating to?

Island Air?  



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 68300 times:

My bet is on CX!  


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User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 67801 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 48):
The article states:

The company says a multibillion-pound order for 100 A320 planes from AirAsia will safeguard 1,500 Airbus jobs in the UK and 7,500 in its supply chain.

Article has been updated since my post :P but that clears it up anyway.

"AirAsias's order is for 64 of the A320neo and 36 of the A320ceo aircraft."

Would be interested to know what an A320ceo is? :P


User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 67289 times:

CEO = Current Engine Option, if I am not mistaken

[Edited 2012-12-13 05:47:23]

User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 66490 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
Why do I have a feeling it's going to be GA...

EK413


Ummm... because you're taking something that's either prescription or not... (meant in a friendly way).
I don't think GA has routes that would fill an A380.

CX - yes, I can see that.

NH - I'd like to see that, but can't see them filling seats because travel is far too seasonal from Japan.
VS - possibly
BA - don't think so - and equally no more to EK or QF.

I hope it will be UA!
I believe the A380 could serve major routes such as LAX/SYD/MEL or LAX or SFO/LHR or FRA (or others).


User currently offlineMark2fly1034 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 66416 times:

I am going to go out on a limb here and say Win Air or Cape Air. DL would be nice seeing as they are buying 49% of airlines this week, they need something next week.

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 66200 times:

The British press often say 'xxx jobs will be safeguarded by this event' which means absolutely nothing as those jobs weren't in danger in the first place as there are one or two other orders outstanding....!.

Spin spin spin....


User currently onlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 59, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 66036 times:
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Congrats to Airbus and whoever it is that will be ordering it. However ...

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
I hope it will be CX..
Quoting qf340500 (Reply 20):
Please, let it be CX
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 34):
I dearly hope it is CX

... etc.

Personally, I hope it won't be.

Besides, I'd be very surprised if they did, because so far they have avoided committing to any aircraft larger than the 777-300ER and A350-1000 because that's what suits their model best. The 777-300ER and the A350-1000 both offer better cargo carrying capabilities than the A380, as does the 747-8, when passengers and bags are taken into account.

Quoting qf340500 (Reply 17):
They have a lot of competition with A380s in service or arriving: Singapore Airlines, Korean Air, Asiana, China Southern, Malaysia Airlines, Thai...

I don't think that should have any relevance to an airline's decision on which plane they order. Just because other airlines are operating it doesn't mean they have to; it has to suit them as well.

Quoting na (Reply 44):
And such plane would largely carry on the comfort and passenger appeal shortfalls the 77W now has against the 748I and A380.

Such as?

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 50):
Which are those exactly? Seats, pitch and IFE are independant from airframe size. Cabin noise? Not a good argument. I'd prefer engine/outside noise over snorring or loudly chatting people around me any time. Noise-cancelling headphones work in any case. Smoother cruise? No, I have experienced significant turbulence on the A380.

        



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 65802 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 46):
BA already has the A380 on order, and I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

The masterplan for LHR states that a third satellite may be built at Terminal 5 (T5D), which could add quite a few A380 gates.. there are already a couple at T5B and quite a few at T5C. There'll be space.



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User currently offlinebabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 61, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 65668 times:

QR really need to order a whole new tranche of A380s to keep up with EK. QR's 3 vs EK's 30 is a major imbalance.

I would also think BA will need to order more. An iconic international airline flying around with twin jets doesn't inspire confidence or send out the right image for the UK post Olympics.

We probably will see a lot more orders in 2013 as airlines around the world see what the A380 has done for the current airlines it serves and passenger satisfaction.

I'd like it to be Iberia but I doubt that will ever happen.


User currently offlineslinky09 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2009, 843 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 65547 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 46):
BA already has the A380 on order, and I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

HAL is converting more gates at T3 to be A380 compatible. So if T3 is needing more A380 gates we might have to consider who flies there    
Quoting trent1000 (Reply 56):
VS - possibly

Already 'on the books'.


User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 65284 times:
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Why not Aeroflot?   or LATAM? would be interesting.. sure GRU & GIG have enough traffic!

User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4452 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 65227 times:

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
TK: Only recently did they announce substantial A330+77W orders. Do they still need A380?

Exactly my feelings, no way TK is ordering another wide body until a brand new airport is up and running in Istanbul, mostly likely by 2018.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13260 posts, RR: 100
Reply 65, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 64829 times:
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Quoting spantax (Reply 6):
Ryanair (999 PAX configuration). 

Na... 666 passengers.   

Quoting KL911 (Reply 46):
I doubt LHR has enough space to build more A380 gates.

What about Terminal 2 and the fact a third of those gates will accommodate the A380?

http://photolibrary.heathrow.com/focusOn.aspx

There is mention of a T5D in wikipedia that is planned. There is certainly more space at T5C for the A380, so even if T5D only takes other aircraft, it would free up space for the A388.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Heathrow_Terminal_5

I see MASSIVE room for growth at LHR for the A380.

As already noted:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 60):
There'll be space.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineogshelly From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 64617 times:

What about Aeromexico or LAN?

User currently offlinegokmengs From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 67, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 64719 times:

As much as I would like to see TK order the A380 we can take them off the list. Only recently the CEO suggested that TK needs VLA's but will not be ordering them till at least 2016 when they have a clear picture of the new airport situation. Right after that statement they announced the 777/330 order which is significant.
Also note at its current layout IST is not capable of regular A380 service...

My bet is that it will be CX, the launch 380 and the 380 they would get has improved significantly, and they will finally pull the trigger IMO.



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User currently offlineBommerJan From UK - England, joined Dec 2005, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 64613 times:

[quote=airlinebuilder,reply=22]"The French and the British are certainly happy that PAL is giving them a big chunk of the business via the acquisition of Airbus aircraft that include A330s, A320s, A340s, A319s, as well as A350s and A380s"
- The Philippine Star BUSINESS section Spy Bits by Babe G. Romualdez

......this can be that "order" remember Philippine Airlines got 36 more orders to go....

The French and the BRITISH? ...... Only goes to show that "Babe" has no insights  .....


User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 69, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 64395 times:

Must be a top-up order from Kingfisher   

My guess would be CX.
My wish would be a US carrier.
My 'fear' would be more for EK or an unexciting top-up elsewhere.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12635 posts, RR: 46
Reply 70, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 63247 times:
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Quoting flood (Reply 69):
unexciting top-up

There's such a thing where the A380 is concerned?  Wow!



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User currently offlineneutrino From Singapore, joined May 2012, 615 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 63030 times:

Quoting Focker (Reply 55):
CEO = Current Engine Option, if I am not mistaken

You are not mistaken.  



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 63036 times:

Quoting BommerJan (Reply 68):
The French and the BRITISH? ...... Only goes to show that "Babe" has no insights .....

Does no one know anything about Airbus production?? I'm not going to repeat myself again.. scroll up!



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 73, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 62793 times:
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Quoting babybus (Reply 61):
I'd like it to be Iberia but I doubt that will ever happen.

Iberia has no use for them, except on MAD-MEX and MAD-EZE. They´ve already said they won´t go for a special, small subfleet for only two routes.

Quoting ogshelly (Reply 66):
What about Aeromexico or LAN?

Same thing with AM. They could only make it work on MEX-MAD, maybe, big maybe, MEX-CDG and MEX-GRU But if they were going to buy a VLA they would go for the 747-8i, not the A380. I don´t know about LA, but their business model is strongly based on the 767/787, not on a VLA.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 74, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 62630 times:
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I'd be surprised to see TK order either the 747-8 or A380-800 right now. They just added a significant order of 777-300ERs and A330-300s that will be pushing operations at IST.

As for NH and JL, both appear to not currently be interested in VLAs (they're retiring their 747-400 fleets) so an order would be significant on that basis (as well as their long and close relationship with Boeing).

PA would be a surprise for much the same reason as NH/JL (phasing out 747s) and their CEO has stated that the A380-800 could encounter issues operating out of Philippine airports.

If I had to put money down, I'd say EK will be adding another score or two.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 75, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 59534 times:

Maybe we can narrow the field down by deduction?

1. What airlines are big enough to buy A380s?

2. Of those, which of them have ruled buying A380s out (KL, IB, TK, DL etc.)

3. What does significant mean? (Likely ''substantial'').

3.1. What is substantial? (20+?)

4. Why is the news not bigger? (Rules out unexpected buyers)

5. Why does the news take place in 2012? (Airline that wants to write off big profits? Airbus can write off the wing repairs and asked an airline to generate some profit they can write those expenses off of?)

6. Why has that airline not bought A380s before? (MTOW increase and wing fix etc. aren't new. Maybe an airline that loses traffic to the A380-owning competition eg. Garuda, surrounded by A380 airlines, other changes in the company?)

7. What airline has the money for A380s?

8. How do the airlines left at this point announce orders (EK on air shows, China on state visits.. any of those in sight?)

9. Are there any indications from ''surprise buyers''? (Like Skymark. Garuda has mentioned interest, apparently so has Philippines?)

Personally, I think it will be Etihad. They seem to have gotten very aggressive recently. They've bought themselves into Air Berlin, Air France and KLM and now Kingfisher. They have the money. They have the infrastructure. They have A380s on order. 20 A380s for EY doesn't seem unrealistic. Maybe they can fly A380s into India under Kingfisher flight numbers? Maybe EY is just trying to expand more aggressively with this move to compete with EK?



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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 76, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 59478 times:

Can it be said that no airline is publicly interested (indeed, may be publicly disinterested/dismissive!) until they actually do the deed!

I think all of the possible options have been listed in the thread. I tend to think that TK is a possibility, likewise CA and CX, but I am not expecting CX to order until the middle of next year - but of course, if Airbus gives them a good deal, why wait.

The thing about CX is that they are phasing out 744s and with new products being added to their 77W fleet, capacity is being reduced on this types (I think a four class 77W has about 278 seats, although not all are in that config); however, on primary route like LAX, SFO, JFK and LHR, that means losing quite a bit of capacity. So, this - to me - means that CX is a strong possibility, even if they don't order now.


User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 59345 times:

Interesting that not long ago many here were saying the A380 would never sell many more. Yet now there are so many airlines that are being lined up for this order that its going to be a huge success!

User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10111 posts, RR: 97
Reply 78, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 59172 times:
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Quoting something (Reply 75):
Why has that airline not bought A380s before? (MTOW increase and wing fix etc. aren't new

True.

But enablers like available production slots in a timely manner, or appropriate financing, might be "new".

Rgds


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 58900 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 65):
I see MASSIVE room for growth at LHR for the A380.

Heathrow is a relatively small airport, there is not space for 'massive' numbers of A380s. Many of the taxiways cannot accept code F aircraft and it will be many years before they will be able to.

Two additional stands, 340 & 342 have/are being converted in T3 to accomodate the current operators, (yesterday SIA and UAE both used stand 342), so more expansion in T3 is not near. In fact space is at such a premium that the conversion of those two stands meant the closing of another one....


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 80, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 58437 times:

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 77):

Lets slow down a little bit , were talking about an order that hasn't been confirmed nor do we even know who the buyer is. Will it be a success ? Probably. Will many more new operators order it ? Probably not. It is a niche aircraft. As for the order - my money is on EK , just don't see any others , I hope to be pleasantly surprised however.


User currently offlineYTZ From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 2071 posts, RR: 24
Reply 81, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 57837 times:

I'll be more impressed if it's not EK/EY or QR.

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1013 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 57275 times:

I'm surprised only one here mentions China Southern (CZ). They only ordered 5 and had 4 deliveries so far. Maybe they'd like to top op before they get their final frame. It would be likely for the following reasons:
1) They are content with the performance so far and since it's not really efficient to have such a small subfleet, they will get more
2) The EU-CHINA ETS issue has been put to rest for a while.
3) They have financing

Another suggestion could be Air China. If not perhaps Qatar Airways.

[Edited 2012-12-13 10:55:43]


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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 57148 times:
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I still believe it could be Aeroflot  

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 84, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 56849 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 25):
Under their current restrictions that would leave them with MEX, YVR, YUL and YYZ as possible destinations

And MEX and YUL are not going to happen... like ever.

Quoting PIEAvantiP180 (Reply 28):
ou guys can for certanly take DL off the list.

Agree. I would think DL would order the 77W before the 748i, let alone the A380.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
TK: Only recently did they announce substantial A330+77W orders. Do they still need A380?

I agree it is unlikely that TK is the customer. Then again, they have surprised us in the past.

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
KE: With 10xA380 and 5x747-8i on order it seems its 16x744 replacement is done

Good point. However, I think we will see in the medium term a follow-on order of a few more A380s or a few more 748s. If such a follow-on order for A380s materializes, I would not call it significant.

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 56):
NH - I'd like to see that, but can't see them filling seats because travel is far too seasonal from Japan.

Unless they want them for domestic flights in a high-density config?

Quoting ogshelly (Reply 66):
What about Aeromexico or LAN?

No way. AR385 has already explained AM would only be able to deploy them to MAD and GRU (EZE during peak travel periods maybe?). I don't think CDG could support it. Back when AM ordered the 789s, they mentioned they "considered the 748i" for the MAD and GRU routes and then "decided to go for frequency over capacity",but even that remark was not credible IMHO. Maybe 10 or 20 years down the road we will see a V.L.A. order from AM but definitely not now.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 85, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 56487 times:

Quoting Wisdom (Reply 32):
SQ

They just announced to order 5 additional airframes but the order is not yet firm. So I would find it very dissapointing if JL classify a top-up-order for 5 airframes as "significant".

Furthermore, I am suprised that so many think about TK as they clearly said "not now" just very recently.


User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 86, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 54569 times:

Unless my usually very reliable sources are wrong, it's not EK.
I am among the crowd who think it's probably CX, but I'm going to toss a wild-card out there - KL


User currently offlineIwantaBBJ From Switzerland, joined Jun 2002, 776 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 53117 times:
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Ryanair maybe?

    


User currently offlineAirlineCritic From Finland, joined Mar 2009, 728 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 53127 times:

My money is on EK adding 30 frames, launch of A380-900, and converting a few existing orders to the same model as well.

But it could also be EY, CZ, or SU.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8143 posts, RR: 54
Reply 89, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 52964 times:

Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China. A 777 replacing a 747 is a major step down in capacity and I don't think they're ready to cede that kind of market share to Qantas, Delta, JAL, Nippon, Air China et al.

Come on United Air Lines!



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 90, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 52832 times:

Quoting astuteman (Reply 78):
But enablers like available production slots in a timely manner, or appropriate financing, might be "new".

Where would those (earlier) production slots come from, especially in ''significant'' proportions? Financing can indeed play a role, though most A380 operators are in healthy financial shape. The cost of capital has been stagnant (low) for a while now as well.

I'm only speculating as I have zero insight on the situation beyond what is publicly known. For all I/we know, the term significant could just as well mean ''unexpected/mile stone'' (as opposed to ''substantial'') and it's El Al taking up those Kingfisher slots.



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 52841 times:
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I'll go for easyJet  

User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 52649 times:

Quoting something (Reply 90):
I'm only speculating as I have zero insight on the situation beyond what is publicly known. For all I/we know, the term significant could just as well mean ''unexpected/mile stone'' (as opposed to ''substantial'') and it's El Al taking up those Kingfisher slots.

An order for 5 would be 'significant' in a year where the order book totals 4......


User currently offlineHooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 52623 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United.

I don't see that happening.
I thought they ordered 787/350 to replace the 744.


User currently offlineHoMsaR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1189 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 52653 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 89):
Cedarjet's bet is United. Their 747s are among the oldest in the business and there are a load of routes they fly that can't be flown with anything less than jumbo capacity - namely, Australia, and their routes from SFO, ORD and NYC to Japan and China. A 777 replacing a 747 is a major step down in capacity and I don't think they're ready to cede that kind of market share to Qantas, Delta, JAL, Nippon, Air China et al.

UA is already going to be downgauging their ORD routes to 777s next spring. I don't think any 747s fly out of the NY area for UA at the moment.

As for my guess, I'd say Pan Am is coming back from the dead and ordering A380s.



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 95, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 52564 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 80):
It is a niche aircraft.

We are approaching 300 orders. Just out of curiosity – starting from which number would you classify the A 380 as a non-niche-aircraft?


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 96, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 52384 times:

The only reason they're refocusing the 744 fleet is for maintainability. They've been having some challenges related to the 744s lately.

That being said, the A350 order is intended to be the plane that flies the 744 routes, although I really cannot see the A350-900 being enough airplane for that.

NS


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 52358 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 95):
We are approaching 300 orders. Just out of curiosity – starting from which number would you classify the A 380 as a non-niche-aircraft?

A bit of an optimistic comment? Wiki shows 262 orders of which around 25 must be classed as a bit suspect


User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 98, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 51995 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 97):
A bit of an optimistic comment?

Yes, could be due to the half empty bottle of wine standing next to me...  
Quoting fcogafa (Reply 97):
Wiki shows 262 orders of which around 25 must be classed as a bit suspect

Well, I said "approaching", I didn't say "final approach".


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 891 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 51861 times:

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 95):

Niche - as in it only fits into a minority of airlines business plans. I wouldn't place a sales volume on it. The Mini Cooper is a niche car but they sell the heck out of them.


User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 839 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 51682 times:

To me, the elephant in the room is Skymark - they are very rarely mentioned on these pages but how likely are they to actually operate the aircraft?

User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10111 posts, RR: 97
Reply 101, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 51395 times:
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Quoting something (Reply 90):
Where would those (earlier) production slots come from, especially in ''significant'' proportions?

I didn't say "earlier". I said "in a timely manner" - i.e. as another year passes and 30 more planes get delivered, more slots start to come into the range that customers will consider for ordering...

Rgds


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 51471 times:

Quoting shanxz (Reply 1):
3. Hainan Airlines
Quoting na (Reply 16):
Delta
United

My money would be on Hainan Airlines. As before and continuing today, UA and DL will probably not order the A380 as their route structure is not conducive to having a VLA. I know that they have the 744 and that those aircraft will eventually need replacing, but I believe that those replacements would come in the form of A359/10 or the 777-X variant.



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User currently offlineBasilFawlty From Netherlands, joined Jun 2009, 1329 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 51307 times:

Hmm, in my view CA, CX and TK are the most likely candidates. My wild-card would be for SV.


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4802 posts, RR: 40
Reply 104, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 49498 times:
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Quoting AirbusA370 (Reply 14):
-800 or -900?  

-1000! .

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
I've got a feeling BA may top up their order.

Could be. I am expecting them to do so considering the big 747-fleet which will need replacement some day.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 18):
However, I hope it will be CX..

Me too!  .

Quoting Cerecl (Reply 51):
My guess is CX, followed by BA, with TK and GA possible but less likely.

Especially TK I would now consider to be unlikely with the latest large orders they placed at Airbus (A330) and Boeing (B77W)

Quoting trent1000 (Reply 56):
I hope it will be UA!

That would be something, wouldn't it?  .

Quoting babybus (Reply 61):
QR really need to order a whole new tranche of A380s to keep up with EK.

But do they want to keep up with EK in EK style? Or will they go on an build on a bit smaller planes?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
I'd be surprised to see TK order either the 747-8 or A380-800 right now. They just added a significant order of 777-300ERs and A330-300s that will be pushing operations at IST.

Agreed. TK is unlikely to be a candidate for this announcement.

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 88):
My money is on EK adding 30 frames, launch of A380-900, and converting a few existing orders to the same model as well.

You are very optimistic. It is in my opinion too soon for the launch of the A380-900. Mid 2015 with EIS in 2020 would be a better time I guess.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4977 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 49394 times:

Considering DL are going ahead with a 49% stake takeover of VS would it be possible that DL have decided to take on VS A380 order and topped it up with an additional 10 frames to replace the B744 fleet from 2017 which was the latest delivery date for VS A380s...

EK413

[Edited 2012-12-13 16:00:57]


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User currently offlineEGPH From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 49302 times:

I would suggest CX as a real possibility on this one. Would like to see KL or IB order though, really do think KL might decide in the future the A380 is for them. IB not going to happen unless they change strategy and decide to offer more long haul than just LatAm

User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8143 posts, RR: 54
Reply 107, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 48924 times:

I'm repeating myself but I say again, cos no-one else is saying it - UNITED UNITED UNITED. Only Gigneil is talking sense here - and he's right - no way do you go from a 747 to an A350. That's a cut in capacity of 50% at a stroke. No way. They need a big plane, and it almost certainly won't be 747-822s (although that would also be nice).

Quoting gigneil (Reply 96):
the A350 order is intended to be the plane that flies the 744 routes, although I really cannot see the A350-900 being enough airplane for that.

If Airbus are about to announce a new A380 customer, I'm telling you, it's United.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 108, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 48599 times:
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Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
I'm repeating myself but I say again, cos no-one else is saying it - UNITED UNITED UNITED. Only Gigneil is talking sense here - and he's right - no way do you go from a 747 to an A350. That's a cut in capacity of 50% at a stroke. No way.

United assuredly has the option of converting some or all of those A350-900 orders into A350-1000s, which would significantly close the gap to the 747-400.

Also, UA just down-gauged LAX-NRT to a 787-8 so they seem to be quite ready to gut capacity in order to shore up yields.




Quoting EK413 (Reply 105):
Considering DL are going ahead with a 49% stake takeover of VS would it be possible that DL have decided to take on VS A380 order and topped it up with an additional 10 frames to replace the B744 fleet from 2017 which was the latest delivery date for VS A380s...

DL is husbanding their cash by purchasing used airframes. There is zero chance they're going to drop tens of billions on brand new A380-800s.   


User currently offlineavek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4405 posts, RR: 19
Reply 109, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 48200 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 107):
That's a cut in capacity of 50% at a stroke.

No, it's not. Remember, United only seats about 360 people in its 744s.



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User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 48015 times:

Can't see that many of the proposed new customers would count as a "significant order", unless perhaps UA or CX. I say it isn't going to be CX ordering the A388. More likely we are seeing the launch order for the A380-900. Or I've gotten worked up for nothing.

User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 48090 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 108):

DL is husbanding their cash by purchasing used airframes

Another example of why Delta is smarter than other carriers--------As a 40-year WN customer and raving SWA fan, nonetheless I am admiring Delta more and more on what they are doing!!


User currently offlineLutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 47954 times:

Cathay, no. They will look at VLA this year, but too soon for an order, My guess is Etihad

User currently offlinepliersinsight From United States of America, joined May 2008, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 47592 times:

Perhaps a bit out in left field, but any thoughts about high capacity domestic use....say between airports on Japan or within China, ala the 747 Domestic?

Out of the box thinking I'm sure, looking forward to the shots over the bow.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 47155 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 100):

They have 6 on order at the moment unless things have changed since then.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...rk-airlines-orders-two-more-a380s/


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 115, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 47016 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 84):
(EZE during peak travel periods maybe?).

I´m not so sure. EZE is very seasonal for MEX-EZE, and AR is not going to remain a basketcase forever. And if they ever come back to be as what they were in the 80s, they´ll be a force to reckon with. I´m talking long term here...

Quoting EGPH (Reply 106):
Would like to see KL or IB order though

IB is just not going to happen for at least a decade.


User currently offlineCCA From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2002, 838 posts, RR: 14
Reply 116, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 46925 times:

Well considering Airbus had its test A380 in the HAECO hangar yesterday and Airbus was at CX plus drinks were held in the A/C last night, I'd say Airbus is pushing hard at CX.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 117, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 46681 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 115):
I´m not so sure. EZE is very seasonal for MEX-EZE, and AR is not going to remain a basketcase forever. And if they ever come back to be as what they were in the 80s, they´ll be a force to reckon with. I´m talking long term here...

Good point. I guess this reinforces our previous assessment that A380s are a no-go for AM.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 118, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 46156 times:
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Quoting EddieDude (Reply 117):
I guess this reinforces our previous assessment that A380s are a no-go for AM.

I think so. Besides, I can´t see them not going with the 748i, if they wanted a VLA. The relationship with Boeing is too cozy, plus NAFTA and the synergies such a purchase could generate, specially in QRO.


User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 45645 times:

Air Canada...    Now that'd be unexpected!


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25419 posts, RR: 86
Reply 120, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 45717 times:
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Bugger reality. I doubt this will happen, this is what I would LIKE to see:



Yeh, yeh, I know.  

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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 45367 times:

Quoting shanxz (Reply 1):
2. Garuda Indonesia

I don't think Garuda needs VLA's in the near future.


User currently offlineqf340500 From Singapore, joined Oct 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 45450 times:

mariner, now THATS a beauty!!!

User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 45073 times:

I thought CX wanted an aircraft with greater range than A380 offered. A380 has lost some weight in the last 5 years. Engines have improved fuel burn as well. Range must have increased. Might range have increased enough to make it useable for more CX routes than the "original" version?

User currently offlinethegeek From Australia, joined Nov 2007, 2638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 44903 times:

Quoting art (Reply 123):
I thought CX wanted an aircraft with greater range than A380 offered. A380 has lost some weight in the last 5 years. Engines have improved fuel burn as well. Range must have increased. Might range have increased enough to make it useable for more CX routes than the "original" version?

CX's main objection was cargo volume.


User currently offlinegr09 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 44688 times:

And how about this one?   
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...earch/photo_search.php?id=00011303

But seriously, I hope for CX as I would like to see a new livery but any new plane is a good plane so I'm looking forward to the announcement.


User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 44541 times:

I prefer CX going with 747-8i instead of A380...

 


User currently offlineflylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 44578 times:

My money would be on CX provided this is ACTUALLY significant, and not just hype.

I'd love to snap shots of a UA 380 in SYD though  

Maybe we are all wrong and some one will surprise us. Oman Air taking on Goliath   



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 128, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 44467 times:

I got my money on Great Lakes.  

I'm calling CX. Or Jet Airways or Air India.



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User currently offlineindia1 From India, joined Aug 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 44249 times:
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Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 128):
I'm calling CX. Or Jet Airways or Air India.

No way Air India, even if it means money for certain bureaucrats! They're a complete mess.


User currently onlineabba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1372 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 43508 times:

Quoting thegeek (Reply 124):
CX's main objection was cargo volume.


I think that Art is right - the cargo volume argument seems to me to be mostly a-net wisdom often enough questioned by people who should know CXs operations well. I think CX either wanted more range or more capacity (-900). I feel CX is one of the main candidates for this order for the reasons Art mentions.


User currently offlinebtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 579 posts, RR: 4
Reply 131, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 42822 times:
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Iberia...

Filler
Filler
Filler



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6357 posts, RR: 31
Reply 132, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 42853 times:
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Quoting btblue (Reply 131):
Iberia...

Not going to happen.


User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2686 posts, RR: 4
Reply 133, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 42674 times:

Quoting btblue (Reply 131):
Iberia...

Guess you didn't catch the news about their fleet simplification and job cuts program then?
Iberia have currently neither the need nor the means to order the A380.



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User currently onlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 134, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 42608 times:
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Quoting JohnClipper (Reply 126):
I prefer CX going with 747-8i instead of A380...

   Likewise. The 747-8i would look great in CX colours.

Quoting abba (Reply 130):
I think that Art is right - the cargo volume argument seems to me to be mostly a-net wisdom often enough questioned by people who should know CXs operations well.

Perhaps you're right, but if it is more than "a.net wisdom", then it's a legitimate concern. When pax and bags are accounted for, there are fewer LD3 positions available on the A380 for revenue cargo than on the 777-300ER or A350-1000, both of which CX have ordered in significant numbers. As a large part of CX's operation is cargo based, it's logical - at least, to me - to conclude that at least part of the reason that the A380 hasn't found its way into CX's fleet is because of its relative lack of cargo volume.

CX A380? I'll believe it when I see it.



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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 135, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 42212 times:

Quoting gr09 (Reply 125):
And how about this one?

This would be nice ... but please with another livery. This one is soooo boring!
 



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User currently offlinesutrakhk From Hong Kong, joined Apr 2008, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 42008 times:

My bet would go for CX

The A380 is sitting next to the runway at HKG waiting the good news:
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z23/sutrakhk/Flight/Misc/380.jpg


User currently offlineuaeflyer From United Arab Emirates, joined Nov 2006, 1119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 41736 times:

Maybe a different customers negotiating at the same time


I would put SV & CX on the top of the guessing list


User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 41406 times:

Quoting art (Reply 123):

I thought CX wanted an aircraft with greater range than A380 offered. A380 has lost some weight in the last 5 years. Engines have improved fuel burn as well. Range must have increased. Might range have increased enough to make it useable for more CX routes than the "original" version?

There is no route in CX network that the A380 can not operate, so why would they need more range from it?



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User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 41251 times:

can it be Hong Kong Express, they are re organizing the airline to be a LCC nextyear and China market is one big load market.

or a crazy forecast Cebu Pacific Air ")


User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 41063 times:

G´day

They are visiting Hong Kong with the A 380, so it is likely that one or several potential customers are from that general area, which besides airlines located in Hong Kong could also include airlines from the south of China. Likely not from Taiwan, else they would have flown the A 380 there unless of course the Taiwanese want to avoid publicity on their negotiations.

But then Leahy is in in the UK now - or was yesterday for the Air Asia announcement, so who is negotiating?

The question also arises why they stopped over in Hawaii, not really the most direct route to Hong Kong. I do not see Hawaiian to buy the thing, but why then did they visit Hawaii. I doubt they did that to confuse us A-netters  

Cheers

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User currently offlineMCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 40937 times:

Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

How about a combined CX/KA order?

Cheers,

MCO 2 BRS


User currently onliner2rho From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 40342 times:

I think the MTOW and aero improvements being introduced from the 1st BA a/c onwards may have finally convinced CX. The recent Hawaii visit is probably just a little thank you bonus to HA for being a good Airbus customer, maybe some general marketing tour combined with long-range flight tests. The visit to HKG however may be no coincidence....

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 138):
There is no route in CX network that the A380 can not operate, so why would they need more range from it?

More "marketing spec" range no. More payload-range yes. LAX-HKG comes to mind.

As for TK or UA... not yet... but eventually...


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 143, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 40088 times:

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 141):
Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

I could very well see that. I seriously doubt it's CX. They are such a smart airline, they would have already bought A388 if they needed/wanted them.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 39896 times:

As for people thinking this could be firming of orders. The article says Leahy is hopeful for a memorandum of understanding before year-end with the firm order in 2013. So that takes that theory out of play.

Of course, that quote can be wrong and they actually meant firming of an order, but in that case we might as well not take the whole article into consideration then.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12122 posts, RR: 34
Reply 145, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 39946 times:

CX always showed interest for the improved A380 with the extra range and now you can order it. CX could be behind the 'significant order', maybe 10 or 12 frames.

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 141):
Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

That order was already been firmed up.



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User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 39807 times:

Must CX be the candidate to the A380, that will the last nail to the B748i, forever it will be a rare breed. I still hope 6 frames for Philippine Airlines with options for 4 considering its transpacific targets of New York, Chicago, Miami

User currently offlineBthebest From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2008, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 39686 times:

I'd like to see BAs next step in their longhaul fleet renewal. Think I remember reading somewhere that they were planning to have a decision by end of 2012, or was it 2013?

I think they will definitely get some more A380s, maybe 10 or 15 more. Along with some more 77W and then probably wait and see what Boeing will do with the 777-X for the rest of their 747 replacement.

Other than BA, I see CX, CI, KL, UA and then a bunch of top up orders at a later date.


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 148, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 39616 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 145):
Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 141):
Could this be a firming up of the HX order that has been hanging in limbo for a while now?

That order was already been firmed up.

''Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

''The Chinese government reportedly blocked the order earlier this year, in part to express its disapproval of Chinese carriers' inclusion in the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS), which has been suspended one year to allow time for ICAO to finalize a global scheme.''

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...airlines-may-switch-a380-a330-1207

HX has been treated as a canceled order already. Maybe now with the ETS suspended there's a chance those A380 will be delivered.



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User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39547 times:

no one in this forum as answered my query yet, must there be an order for an ASAP delivery for the A380, where will airbus take it from and how soon can it be delivered? are the canceled frames on the production line already?

User currently onlineabba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1372 posts, RR: 2
Reply 150, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39537 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
then it's a legitimate concern


Then I have to ask the question: "For who?"
Perhaps it is a legitimate concern for YOU that CX is not going to have that much cargo on the routes that they might use the A380 to serve. But again - according to people who are in a position to know how CX operates - this might not be a concern for CX...

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
As a large part of CX's operation is cargo based, it's logical - at least, to me - to conclude that at least part of the reason that the A380 hasn't found its way into CX's fleet is because of its relative lack of cargo volume.


Perhaps it is logical to you. However, it is not what CX has been saying. And I will not pretend to be able to read their silent harts and minds.


User currently offlinescouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3397 posts, RR: 9
Reply 151, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39287 times:

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 149):
no one in this forum as answered my query yet, must there be an order for an ASAP delivery for the A380, where will airbus take it from and how soon can it be delivered? are the canceled frames on the production line already?

There is a mention in the ilnked article that there are no available slots till 2015 but if an order is cancelled when the plane is already being made they will be resold. For someone who's really desperate there's also MSN002 which appears to of been deferred or cancelled by the VVIP customer.


User currently onlineJerseyFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39512 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 76):
The thing about CX is that they are phasing out 744s and with new products being added to their 77W fleet, capacity is being reduced on this types (I think a four class 77W has about 278 seats, although not all are in that config); however, on primary route like LAX, SFO, JFK and LHR, that means losing quite a bit of capacity. So, this - to me - means that CX is a strong possibility, even if they don't order now.

There may be some early slot availablility, given the HKA and Kingfisher likely cancellations.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 102):
My money would be on Hainan Airlines

........except for the fact that their subsidiary HKA is said to want to cancel at least some of their 10 already on firm order.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 142):
The recent Hawaii visit is probably just a little thank you bonus to HA for being a good Airbus customer, maybe some general marketing tour

Maybe negotiating a swap of the A358s for A359s?


User currently offlinelostsound From Canada, joined May 2012, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39543 times:

If Cathay is going with a VLA I expect it to be the A380. In fact I'm pretty sure CX's only hold back on the A380 was to wait for an A380-900 option. They want capacity, and the A380 offers significantly more than the 748i.


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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 798 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39520 times:

G´day

If - emphasis on IF - CX is going to buy the A 380 it will be as a people mover, freight will be of little consideration. It is more than likely however that where a lot of people are being moved also a lot of freight is being moved, so they can more than likely use a dedicated freighter on that same route.   

So the A-net mantra that the A 380 does not carry enough freight for CX gets diluted somewhat and does not apply in my opinion. Fact is a lot of competitors are already using the A 380 into HKG making money on passengers alone and reducing the CX margin on those very routes.   

Just some more food for thought   

Cheers

Peter



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User currently onlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12521 posts, RR: 35
Reply 155, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39493 times:

Quoting abba (Reply 150):
Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
As a large part of CX's operation is cargo based, it's logical - at least, to me - to conclude that at least part of the reason that the A380 hasn't found its way into CX's fleet is because of its relative lack of cargo volume.

I think that's a far point, but they have enough cargo acft in their fleet, now and on order, to make up for t
he possible shortfall of A388 cargo capacity. And it's not as if it has NO cargo capacity, just less than CX might like.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 138):
There is no route in CX network that the A380 can not operate, so why would they need more range from it?



On paper, yes, but the A346 had a very good range on paper and look what happened to that ... it left the fleet as soon as CX could get rid of them. The CX people will need a lot of convincing that the A380 can do all that Airbus says it can; for such a huge investment, CX doesn't want to jump too quickly and it will have been taking note of the experiences of other carriers, such as QF and SQ, which operate very long A388 routes. I suspect this is what it will come down to. As soon as CX is sure that the A380 can do the routes CX wants, then CX will go down this road. As I mentioned previously, the 77Ws in premium configs give CX quite a significant shortfall in pax capacity, so the need is definitely there.

My understanding is that despite the cargo version being used by CX, the 748I is not in contention.


User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 156, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39521 times:

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 146):
I still hope 6 frames for Philippine Airlines with options for 4 considering its transpacific targets of New York, Chicago, Miami

Their transpacific target should be to get back to Cat I status...



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12122 posts, RR: 34
Reply 157, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39435 times:

Quoting something (Reply 148):
''Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

''The Chinese government reportedly blocked the order earlier this year, in part to express its disapproval of Chinese carriers' inclusion in the European Union Emissions Trading Scheme (EU ETS), which has been suspended one year to allow time for ICAO to finalize a global scheme.''

http://atwonline.com/aircraft-engine...airlines-may-switch-a380-a330-1207

HX has been treated as a canceled order already. Maybe now with the ETS suspended there's a chance those A380 will be delivered.

I know they threaten to cancel the order, but you can find the HX order in the Airbus order book so it's not a MoU as MCO2BRS suggests. They firmed it, and are now looking to cancel/swap the firm order.



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39443 times:

Quoting airlinebuilder (Reply 146):
I still hope 6 frames for Philippine Airlines with options for 4 considering its transpacific targets of New York, Chicago, Miami

Well, NAIA does already have an A380-capable LH Technik hangar, don't they?  

That said, unfortunately I don't see them ordering any. I expect to see them sign up for some 787s in the near future though.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6618 posts, RR: 55
Reply 159, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39421 times:

Quoting something (Reply 148):
'Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

There are rumours that when HX cancel their A380 order, it will free up slots that Airbus are pushing CX to take. The demo A380 is in Hong kong at the moment and Airbus reps have told one of my colleagues that they are there to demo the plane for CX. Our CEO claimed a couple of months ago that CX had not had a 'detailed' look at the 380 yet. Perhaps this is part of that detailed look. Airbus took the plane out for a few hours for a demo flight this morning with CX managers on board apparently.


User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 160, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39285 times:

Whatever happened to the Vietnam Airlines a380 MoU? Was it officially cancelled or is it still hanging out there somewhere?

User currently offlineairlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39233 times:

I was entertaining the Vietnam Airlines at the onset of the forum..... that being brought up, it most likely.

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 162, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39270 times:

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 159):
Quoting something (Reply 148):
'Hainan Airlines’ subsidiary Hong Kong Airlines is considering changing out its Airbus A380 orders in favor of the A330 [...] Hainan Airlines Group chairman Chen Feng said the company is in negotiations with Airbus but no final decision has been made.''

There are rumours that when HX cancel their A380 order, it will free up slots that Airbus are pushing CX to take. The demo A380 is in Hong kong at the moment and Airbus reps have told one of my colleagues that they are there to demo the plane for CX. Our CEO claimed a couple of months ago that CX had not had a 'detailed' look at the 380 yet. Perhaps this is part of that detailed look. Airbus took the plane out for a few hours for a demo flight this morning with CX managers on board apparently.

Most interesting and thank you for the insight my friend  

The reason why I rule/d CX as a buyer out is because, as previously mentioned, I'm under the impression that the company is most professionally run. CX is one of the most ''obvious'' A380 airlines. They have a lot of long flights where frequency doesn't matter, they have a lot of flights that fly at almost the exact same times, they operate into slot restricted airports like NRT, LHR and JFK, they are a premium airline that wouldn't need to put too many seats into the A380 but they also have the traffic volumes to do it.

The fact that they haven't yet bought an A380 has been a very clear statement to me that they are not interested in an airplane that size. I was expecting them to wait for the A389 to become available and then order 20+10 or so of them.

It is very hard for me to believe that the people at CX haven't even had a closer look of the A380. Hard to believe not because I doubt what you're saying, but hard to believe because I appear to have given the management at CX way too much credit.

Always a pleasure hearing from you!



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12122 posts, RR: 34
Reply 163, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39274 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 160):
Whatever happened to the Vietnam Airlines a380 MoU? Was it officially cancelled or is it still hanging out there somewhere?

Vietnam Airlines is/was only interested for the higher gross weight variant of the A380. And the new airport needs to be ready first. I can see some A380s in the Vietnam Airlines fleet by 2020, but not sooner.



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User currently offlineastuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10111 posts, RR: 97
Reply 164, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39135 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 134):
When pax and bags are accounted for, there are fewer LD3 positions available on the A380 for revenue cargo than on the 777-300ER or A350-1000, both of which CX have ordered in significant numbers.

Question and answer in one sentence, perhaps?   

It's not beyond the realms of reality to schedule a passenger heavy A380, and a freight heavy 777/A350 on a given route at different times to achieve the overall objective..

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 154):
It is more than likely however that where a lot of people are being moved also a lot of freight is being moved, so they can more than likely use a dedicated freighter on that same route.

There are for sure more than one way to skin the cat  

Rgds


User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 165, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39183 times:
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AIrbus' F-WWDD came to Hong Kong for a few days (just left Hong Kong today).
CX's staffs (or their related parties) were invitied for a visit.

Don't know if it was related to this "Significant Order"


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 166, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 38711 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 65):
I see MASSIVE room for growth at LHR for the A380.

Looking something like this by 2030.

http://im.media.ft.com/content/images/ea079178-598b-11e1-8d36-00144feabdc0.img?width=961&height=726&title=&desc


User currently offlinespeedygonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 167, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 38583 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 166):
Looking something like this by 2030.

Who's going to fly a 707(?) in Star Alliance livery in 2030?



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User currently offlinepetera380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 168, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 38567 times:
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Very nice but still only two runways and basically full!

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 169, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 38618 times:
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Quoting kaitak (Reply 155):
I think that's a far point, but they have enough cargo acft in their fleet, now and on order, to make up for the possible shortfall of A388 cargo capacity.

Cathay appears to be preparing to order three more 747-8Fs (Boeing has added three frames for them to their 747-8F production list)...  scratchchin 

[Edited 2012-12-14 07:06:47]

User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9155 posts, RR: 76
Reply 170, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 38442 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 169):

You have already stated on another thread that these 747-8F frames came from the Air China order, and CX dropped the 777Fs. Why make your post the way you have considering what you have posted before ?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31119 posts, RR: 85
Reply 171, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 38376 times:
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Quoting zeke (Reply 170):
Why make your post the way you have considering what you have posted before ?

I made my post the way I did to tongue-in-cheek support kaitak's comments that the low revenue cargo capacity of the A380-800 can be compensated by dedicated freighters.

But as Lieutenant Saavik once noted, humor is a difficult concept for some...


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9155 posts, RR: 76
Reply 172, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 38297 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 171):

So is telling the truth.



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User currently offlineart From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 173, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 38186 times:

Please...

Filler
Filler
Filler


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7592 posts, RR: 42
Reply 174, posted (1 year 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 37409 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 120):
this is what I would LIKE to see:

Oh man, that is awesome! One can only wish.



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