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New An-148 Customer: Air Koryo (so It Seems)  
User currently offlineTy134A From Austria, joined Apr 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9466 times:

After scanning some Russian pages, it seems that the An-148 frame 03-03 goes to JS, and it has even flying status already. Registration seems to be P-671. It seems to be a Kiev built frame, a classic, not a 100 or 100V. But nothing confirmed....

Considering Air Koryos fleet, this is bad news...

Glad that I've been to the DPRK in May  ....


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User currently offlinespiplane From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9274 times:
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Okay, I will bite .... why is this bad news?


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User currently offlineTriple7X From Singapore, joined Dec 2012, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9243 times:

Quoting Ty134A (Thread starter):

P-671 seems to be (C/N 03-08) instead of (C/N 03-03) according to sources although I might be wrong   can anyone conform if P-671 is C/N 03-03 or C/N 03-08



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2168 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9113 times:

Quoting Ty134A (Thread starter):
Considering Air Koryos fleet, this is bad news...

Why exactly? I dont understand why you consider this bad news...



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User currently offlineushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9085 times:

He is implying that they will get rid of some vintage Russian airliners because of this...


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlinesasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 4):
He is implying that they will get rid of some vintage Russian airliners because of this.

This is also how I took the comment: now there will be less chance for the Pyongyang Spotters Club to catch shots of older Soviet jets.  


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11607 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8836 times:

They need the entire current fleet and more - it's pretty much fully utilised some days of the week and tourism is only going to increase in DPRK.

There was a team/representative from Air Koryo on a visit 'somewhere' in September, so they have been planning additions for a while.


Dan  



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User currently offlineTy134A From Austria, joined Apr 2008, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8561 times:

@ plymspotter: I never had the feeling that they need the whole fleet they have operational. It certainly is true that they have seasonal shortages, but these amount to some 15 days per year or so. And again, there schedule is not optimized at all, they operate flights to Beijing, Shenjang and Vladivostok all on the same day, while on other days there is no flighy departing Pyongyang, if I'm not mistaken. As far as their current route network is going, even the two T20 and a single AN4 is more than enaugh.

All the JS frames currently in the fleet count very little hours and are in perfect condition, the T3Bs being on of the latest produced, and even their 1976 T5B has still some time left.

And even if the A48 is a nice ride (been on it 3 times), for a freak like me it would be the least attractive plane in JS fleet....

And the frame seems to be 03-08, which might have been flying this week...



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User currently onlinelollomz From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8500 times:
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I think the plane will be leased by IFC. Any idea about it?

User currently offlineSIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 479 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7382 times:

Juche Travel Services confirms on it's facebook page......
Here is what they wrote

Further to recent rumours, we can confirm that Air Koryo are taking delivery of a new Antonov An-148 with registration P-671. Delivery is expected early in 2013.

This aircraft will supplement the current Air Koryo fleet and all other aircraft will remain in service. The An-148 is expected to be used mainly for charter tours from various Chinese cities to the DPRK.

We are delighted to be adding this modern but still quite rare aircraft to all our 2013 aviation tours as an additional pleasure flight, prices to be confirmed in due course.

Exterior / interior photos to follow once I am back from a brief January admin visit to Pyongyang!


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5986 times:

Dosent the CIS still have Russian aircraft, whats the fascination with JS fleet?

User currently offlineCrimsonNL From Netherlands, joined Dec 2007, 1838 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5281 times:
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There's some pictures online! I have to say I do not like the livery on this aircraft, where I think it does look good on JS' older aircraft.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 5197 times:

Will this replace their AN-24 and IL-18?
Their order of the IL-96 is to replace their IL-62s right?

Air Koryo has one of the best liveries in the world.  



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4293 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 10):
Dosent the CIS still have Russian aircraft, whats the fascination with JS fleet?

Hardly ! Some types like the Il-18 and Il-62M are only still flying with the North Koreans on passenger flights. Also the Tu-154 non M versions are totally gone from Russia except for the Air Force.
Their other types, Tu-134 and An-24 are also becoming difficult to get on in Russia. Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia. So that's the reasons of the fascination by many here of the JS fleet.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39659 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13):
Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia.

WOW! That is a shocker!
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country - especially if it was made in their country.
I thought it was only the US and EU that was strict about those sort of things.



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4293 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5026 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country

I guess theoretically if you approach the Russians with a big pile of Rubles you should be able to fly on any aircraft, but as a collector of flights on weird airplanes I have seen any attempt to hire and fly on aircraft from Il-14 to An-124 fail so far often on paperwork issues, it also seems a bit easier (but still complicated) to organize stuff like that in the Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4924 times:

Surprising that JS never got any Yaks, why? hope the superjet is next on their shopping list.

User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5383 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
I thought it was only the US and EU that was strict about those sort of things.

It depends where the aircraft operates. Russia is getting tired of having their aircraft crash into their territory...it's bad press. There's not much they can do about these planes flying elsewhere but they also want to encourage airlines to buy their new aircraft instead of trying to wring every last possible flight out of the old iron.



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2182 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13):
Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 14):
WOW! That is a shocker!
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country - especially if it was made in their country.

You didn't read the entire post. It's not the that IL-76s are off-limits to FLY in Russia, it's that they are off limits to passenger leisure flights. JS is one of the few airlines in the world where a dedicated freighter hauls passengers around also.


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4163 times:

Quoting Triple7X (Reply 2):
P-671 seems to be (C/N 03-08) instead of (C/N 03-03) according to sources although I might be wrong can anyone conform if P-671 is C/N 03-03 or C/N 03-08

According to Russianplanes.net, it is c/n 03-08. P-672 will be 04-02.

Quoting 777way (Reply 16):
hope the superjet is next on their shopping list.

AFAIK Air Koryo was looking at the Superjet, but the deal didn't completed because the SSJ has too many western parts...  



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

But so do the Tu-204 that didnt prevent them from getting those.

User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 435 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4048 times:

The Tu-204-100 has all Russian avionics and engines, I'm not sure about the 300 series avionics but I do know that it used the Russian built engines, it wouldn't surprise me if it also had Russian avionics at least as an option on it for carriers such as JS.


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User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3750 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
But so do the Tu-204 that didnt prevent them from getting those.

No, the Tu-204 is mostly Russian built (except if the customer choses RR engines). The Tu-204SM however does have western parts (including the PS-90A2 engines) and can't be purchased by Air Koryo, Iranian airlines or other airlines from sanctioned countries  



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User currently offlineOlafW From Germany, joined Jul 2009, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 21):
I'm not sure about the 300 series avionics

while I don't know anything about the avionics details, I know that I was onboard the Air Koryo -300 in June 2011, so it must be somehow possible to acquire them. Although it comes to mind that JS got the first -300 which was not constructed separately, but built from a -100 airframe. But can anyone confirm that?


User currently offlineTK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting OlafW (Reply 23):
Although it comes to mind that JS got the first -300 which was not constructed separately, but built from a -100 airframe. But can anyone confirm that?

Yes, that's true  



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25 OlafW : So then there might be a chance that this was the only opportunity for JS to acquire a -300 model, if the normal production model features Western avi
26 TK1244 : If the -300 only features western avionics, I think this is the only chance to acquire a -300 model for JS. The English page states that they have a
27 Post contains links OlafW : right, that's what's on the Air Koryo wiki page. What I was talking about is the wiki page for the Tu-204, section Tu-204-300: http://en.wikipedia.or
28 irshava : You are wrong. The more recent Ukrainian government has placed many new regulations in place and also corruption still exists - it is not at 1990 lev
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