Ty134A From Austria, joined Apr 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0 Posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8070 times:
After scanning some Russian pages, it seems that the An-148 frame 03-03 goes to JS, and it has even flying status already. Registration seems to be P-671. It seems to be a Kiev built frame, a classic, not a 100 or 100V. But nothing confirmed....
P-671 seems to be (C/N 03-08) instead of (C/N 03-03) according to sources although I might be wrong can anyone conform if P-671 is C/N 03-03 or C/N 03-08
1x Airbus A300B4-600R, 7x Airbus A320-200,4x Boeing 777-200ER, 1x Boeing 777-300
sasd209 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Oct 2007, 633 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 7565 times:
Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 4): He is implying that they will get rid of some vintage Russian airliners because of this.
This is also how I took the comment: now there will be less chance for the Pyongyang Spotters Club to catch shots of older Soviet jets.
Ty134A From Austria, joined Apr 2008, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 7165 times:
@ plymspotter: I never had the feeling that they need the whole fleet they have operational. It certainly is true that they have seasonal shortages, but these amount to some 15 days per year or so. And again, there schedule is not optimized at all, they operate flights to Beijing, Shenjang and Vladivostok all on the same day, while on other days there is no flighy departing Pyongyang, if I'm not mistaken. As far as their current route network is going, even the two T20 and a single AN4 is more than enaugh.
All the JS frames currently in the fleet count very little hours and are in perfect condition, the T3Bs being on of the latest produced, and even their 1976 T5B has still some time left.
And even if the A48 is a nice ride (been on it 3 times), for a freak like me it would be the least attractive plane in JS fleet....
And the frame seems to be 03-08, which might have been flying this week...
SIBILLE From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 450 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5986 times:
Juche Travel Services confirms on it's facebook page......
Here is what they wrote
Further to recent rumours, we can confirm that Air Koryo are taking delivery of a new Antonov An-148 with registration P-671. Delivery is expected early in 2013.
This aircraft will supplement the current Air Koryo fleet and all other aircraft will remain in service. The An-148 is expected to be used mainly for charter tours from various Chinese cities to the DPRK.
We are delighted to be adding this modern but still quite rare aircraft to all our 2013 aviation tours as an additional pleasure flight, prices to be confirmed in due course.
Exterior / interior photos to follow once I am back from a brief January admin visit to Pyongyang!
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 13, posted (5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3784 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 10): Dosent the CIS still have Russian aircraft, whats the fascination with JS fleet?
Hardly ! Some types like the Il-18 and Il-62M are only still flying with the North Koreans on passenger flights. Also the Tu-154 non M versions are totally gone from Russia except for the Air Force.
Their other types, Tu-134 and An-24 are also becoming difficult to get on in Russia. Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia. So that's the reasons of the fascination by many here of the JS fleet.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 38508 posts, RR: 80 Reply 14, posted (5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13): Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia.
WOW! That is a shocker!
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country - especially if it was made in their country.
I thought it was only the US and EU that was strict about those sort of things.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4117 posts, RR: 37 Reply 15, posted (5 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3630 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 14): I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country
I guess theoretically if you approach the Russians with a big pile of Rubles you should be able to fly on any aircraft, but as a collector of flights on weird airplanes I have seen any attempt to hire and fly on aircraft from Il-14 to An-124 fail so far often on paperwork issues, it also seems a bit easier (but still complicated) to organize stuff like that in the Ukraine, Moldova and Belarus.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
JoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5039 posts, RR: 29 Reply 17, posted (5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3344 times:
Quoting Superfly (Reply 14): I thought it was only the US and EU that was strict about those sort of things.
It depends where the aircraft operates. Russia is getting tired of having their aircraft crash into their territory...it's bad press. There's not much they can do about these planes flying elsewhere but they also want to encourage airlines to buy their new aircraft instead of trying to wring every last possible flight out of the old iron.
akelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2101 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (5 months 4 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 13): Of course the Il-76 freighter on which the aviation tours offer pleasure flights is also off limits in Russia.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 14): WOW! That is a shocker!
I never thought of Russia as being strict about older aircraft flying in their country - especially if it was made in their country.
You didn't read the entire post. It's not the that IL-76s are off-limits to FLY in Russia, it's that they are off limits to passenger leisure flights. JS is one of the few airlines in the world where a dedicated freighter hauls passengers around also.
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 months 3 hours ago) and read 2767 times:
Quoting Triple7X (Reply 2): P-671 seems to be (C/N 03-08) instead of (C/N 03-03) according to sources although I might be wrong can anyone conform if P-671 is C/N 03-03 or C/N 03-08
According to Russianplanes.net, it is c/n 03-08. P-672 will be 04-02.
Quoting 777way (Reply 16): hope the superjet is next on their shopping list.
AFAIK Air Koryo was looking at the Superjet, but the deal didn't completed because the SSJ has too many western parts...
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
iFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 381 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (5 months 2 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
The Tu-204-100 has all Russian avionics and engines, I'm not sure about the 300 series avionics but I do know that it used the Russian built engines, it wouldn't surprise me if it also had Russian avionics at least as an option on it for carriers such as JS.
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2354 times:
Quoting 777way (Reply 20): But so do the Tu-204 that didnt prevent them from getting those.
No, the Tu-204 is mostly Russian built (except if the customer choses RR engines). The Tu-204SM however does have western parts (including the PS-90A2 engines) and can't be purchased by Air Koryo, Iranian airlines or other airlines from sanctioned countries
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
OlafW From Switzerland, joined Jul 2009, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2235 times:
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 21): I'm not sure about the 300 series avionics
while I don't know anything about the avionics details, I know that I was onboard the Air Koryo -300 in June 2011, so it must be somehow possible to acquire them. Although it comes to mind that JS got the first -300 which was not constructed separately, but built from a -100 airframe. But can anyone confirm that?
TK1244 From Netherlands, joined May 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2021 times:
Quoting OlafW (Reply 23): Although it comes to mind that JS got the first -300 which was not constructed separately, but built from a -100 airframe. But can anyone confirm that?
Yes, that's true
"The future is in the skies. For any nation that cannot defend its skies will never be confident of its future." Atatürk
25 OlafW: So then there might be a chance that this was the only opportunity for JS to acquire a -300 model, if the normal production model features Western avi
26 TK1244: If the -300 only features western avionics, I think this is the only chance to acquire a -300 model for JS. The English page states that they have a
27 OlafW: right, that's what's on the Air Koryo wiki page. What I was talking about is the wiki page for the Tu-204, section Tu-204-300: http://en.wikipedia.or
28 irshava: You are wrong. The more recent Ukrainian government has placed many new regulations in place and also corruption still exists - it is not at 1990 lev
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