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WestJet Adding Sudbury  
User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1414 times:

WestJet will add flights from Hamilton to Sudbury starting December 10th. Not an especially surprising move, but YHM-YSB does mark WJ's entry into the regional market in Ontario. Frequency will be 2 dailies. The route will Start December 10th. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010905/50286.html

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User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

Isn't this the route CanJet cancelled because of extremely low loads? Mind you CJ flew into Pearson whether or not that makes any difference.

User currently offlineTennisace From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1306 times:

Canjet cancelled service to Windsor due to low loads. I don't think they ever flew into Sudbury, just Thunder Bay. Once again Montreal is on the short end of the stick when it comes to new routes!

User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Canjet never flew into Sudbury. It was Windsor that got dropped by Canjet.

This is an interesting routing that WestJet's starting up. I wonder if that's got to do with Sudbury being a major mining region of Canada, while Hamilton is a major steel production centre.

One question remains: why isn't WestJet even adding Montreal to its route network!? Something's wrong there.


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1293 times:

Well I for one am suprised. in the press release on the Westjet website it talks about them increasing frequencies on other eastern routes any idead as to what will be increased?


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User currently offlineMcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

Westjet has one solid advantage by going into Sudbury: it will be the only discount airline in that market, and only faces AC Regional as a real competitor.

Also, it takes advantage of the resentment of many northern Ontarians about costly mainline service. When I lived in North Bay (70 miles east of Sudbury), it wasn't uncommon for people to make the four-hour drive (or bus ride) to YYZ to catch their flights, even though Air Ontario flew in several times a day.

But I wonder about Montreal. Does the airline feel that it's not bilingual enough yet? Or are they biding their time, checking the market out, before moving in on Air Canada's home town? Or is Dorval too expensive?



User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Sudbury sounds good to me, although I don't think Windsor would do too badly either (CanJet wasn't terribly successful overall, so I don't think they're a good indicator, and there's a lot of potential for Windsor with Detroit being right across the river).

WJ seems to be very slow about Montreal. Now that the CJ/QN war has been ended by the C3 mergers, I think WJ should be moving in sooner rather than later. The latest rumour I've heard is that they're looking at Pearson, and a Montreal airport to start in another year (still quite a way off).

I've also heard they're hoping to have 40 aircraft by the end of 2003, of which half will be -700's. I hope they're careful, as overexpansion seems to plague successful startups after a few years...

Fly_yhm, it talks about adding capacity on eastern flights, but that doesn't necessarily mean frequency: it could replace some -200 flying, as the -700 carries more passengers.


User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1261 times:

Well they are adding more flight into yhm beside the sudbury ones adding a 5th from YOW and a 4th from YWG I was just informed by a fellow Hamiltonian the it appeared on the Hamilton News station.


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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1260 times:

Does anyonw know if WJ has any plans to expand up into the territories?

I know the people living in the north have long complained about extremely high fares and infrequent flights.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1787 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

an answer to the "Why isn't WJ coming to Montreal?" question. Bill Lamberton, VP of Marketing for WJ, told me that they would fly to Montreal earliest 4th quarter 2002. Most probably YHU.

User currently offlineCYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

This is stupid, there are a number of western comunities (YKA included) that would benefit greatly from westjets presence yet they are expending to the over-served east. Perhaps they should rename themselves to eastjet......

User currently offlineAirCanadaMan From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1241 times:

Planenutz,

The people of the north have been asking for quite sometime for WJ to serve us, especially the YZF market.

This past spring AC183 and I had an interesting discussion over the effects etc. of it, do a search on "Canadian North 737 O/C" and you should find it.

Right now they are far more concerned with southerners, sadly they fail to realize the potential, and the number of northerners to support even a weekly YZF-YEG.

I too feel the west and north should have priority, but its always nice to see Westjet continue to grow.


User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

AC183, would you not say that YOW-YHM, YOW-YQT and YHM-YQT constitute already being in the Ontario regional market?

CYKA, I would hardly call YSB overserved. In fact they have been underserved for the past decade. Same goes for YYB, YAM, YTS, YQG, YXU, YHM and YGK in Ontario alone.

As for the increased capactiy, I suspect that YOW-YYC YQR-YOW and YXE-YOW will become nonstop in both directions and that YQT-YOW will be nonstop daily in both directions. Others possible routes would be YOW-YHM, YHM-YEG and YOW-YQM. Maybe even a new YOW-YWG route and likely a YSB-YWG-YYC route.

As for Montreal, from what I have read getting landing slots and decent gates at YUL is a problem for them and YHU does not have adequate facilities yet. But for the Montrealers on the board don't worry, WJ will be there eventually. WJ has so many opportunities, that they can only select so many at one time, without running the risk of expanding too fast. However, I bet that they will be in YQG, before they come to Montreal. Avoiding Montreal has nothing to do with bilingualism. Ottawa-Hull is very bilingual and they have flown here for over a year now.


User currently offlineYWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1221 times:

Give me the news on this 4th YWG-YHM flight. will it be in the 737-700?
thanks
I think its gfrwat that YSD got added. I see it doing very werll. just a little surprosed that YUL wasn't announced yet.
YWG777 Smile


User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

I just read in this morning's Ottawa citizen that the increased eastern capacity will be an extra roundtrip on YOW-YHM and YWG-YHM.

User currently offlineAC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Yow, while it's arguable whether the YHM-YQT/YOW routes are regional, the flights do compete with mainline aircraft from AC and C3. YSB service will compete with AirOntario turboprops. What I'm trying to imply is that I think the YSB route is significant because WJ has been relatively slow to develop it's eastern network, and to me adding YSB signifies that WJ will build a comprehensive network (including secondary centres) in both the east and west, because from what they were doing before it appeared as though they were simply adding major eastern routes that would carry a lot of western traffic feed.

WJ's sked doesn't seem to be updated at their site yet, but I checked oag.com (great site for checking scheduled flights), and found the additional YWG-YHM and YOW-YHM flights are 732 equipment, as is YSB. I guess the additional 737NG freed up a 732 for that flying. Also, I noticed that a second YWG-YQT flight is being added.

Fly_yhm, my apologies for jumping the gun regarding frequencies, but be careful of the wording of press releases nonetheless.


User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

All I can say is...

Go Westjet!!



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User currently offlineMark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Fallingeese --All I can say is... Go Westjet!

Yee-hah! ( they really deserve to succeed, East included. It`s slow the way they're expanding and testing out the market but on the other hand I think it's the right thing to do, especially if they build followings for places like YSB that they can use and count on later,regionally, when they add places like Montreal. Maybe even Halifax and St. John's as well)



User currently offlineZrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 896 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1171 times:

Is WestJet a discount carrier?

On another note, how come no Canadian airlines serve Buffalo? I saw an AC Dash-8 at Rochester and even Syracuse I think? I would think there'd be a lot of cross border traffic and many of the flights could be timed to hook up with cheap Southwest and JetBlue flights into and out of BUF. I suppose most of the Southern Ontario people could just drive down if they want to use BUF?!?!


User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Zrb2,
Yes, WestJet is a discount carrier, and it's modeled after Southwest Airlines.

WestJet doesn't have plans to have scheduled flights into the US, but I think it has done charter flights, though, usually into LAS. I guess that there's not much of a market for any Canadian carrier to serve BUF. It's a hell of a lot cheaper to just cross the border by car, even if travelers have to put up with long lineups, searches and not-so-polite customs people.


User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1161 times:

I just read in the globe and mail online that WJ hopes to have half of their capacity (i.e 20 of 40 planes) in the east by the end of 2002. Here's the article http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/GIS.Servlets.HTMLTemplate?tf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.html&cf=tgam/search/tgam/SearchFullStory.cfg&configFileLoc=tgam/config&encoded_keywords=westjet&option=&start_row=2¤t_row=2&start_row_offset1=&num_rows=1&search_results_start=1

User currently offlineFly_yhm From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1681 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Im just wondering would Westjet have come east if Greyhound air was still around and if Greyhound was still around would they be very big? I know YWG777 wishes they were still here.


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