AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2 Posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1599 times:
WestJet will add flights from Hamilton to Sudbury starting December 10th. Not an especially surprising move, but YHM-YSB does mark WJ's entry into the regional market in Ontario. Frequency will be 2 dailies. The route will Start December 10th. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/010905/50286.html
Mcdougald From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1473 times:
Westjet has one solid advantage by going into Sudbury: it will be the only discount airline in that market, and only faces AC Regional as a real competitor.
Also, it takes advantage of the resentment of many northern Ontarians about costly mainline service. When I lived in North Bay (70 miles east of Sudbury), it wasn't uncommon for people to make the four-hour drive (or bus ride) to YYZ to catch their flights, even though Air Ontario flew in several times a day.
But I wonder about Montreal. Does the airline feel that it's not bilingual enough yet? Or are they biding their time, checking the market out, before moving in on Air Canada's home town? Or is Dorval too expensive?
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1461 times:
Sudbury sounds good to me, although I don't think Windsor would do too badly either (CanJet wasn't terribly successful overall, so I don't think they're a good indicator, and there's a lot of potential for Windsor with Detroit being right across the river).
WJ seems to be very slow about Montreal. Now that the CJ/QN war has been ended by the C3 mergers, I think WJ should be moving in sooner rather than later. The latest rumour I've heard is that they're looking at Pearson, and a Montreal airport to start in another year (still quite a way off).
I've also heard they're hoping to have 40 aircraft by the end of 2003, of which half will be -700's. I hope they're careful, as overexpansion seems to plague successful startups after a few years...
Fly_yhm, it talks about adding capacity on eastern flights, but that doesn't necessarily mean frequency: it could replace some -200 flying, as the -700 carries more passengers.
CYKA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
This is stupid, there are a number of western comunities (YKA included) that would benefit greatly from westjets presence yet they are expending to the over-served east. Perhaps they should rename themselves to eastjet......
Yow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1417 times:
AC183, would you not say that YOW-YHM, YOW-YQT and YHM-YQT constitute already being in the Ontario regional market?
CYKA, I would hardly call YSB overserved. In fact they have been underserved for the past decade. Same goes for YYB, YAM, YTS, YQG, YXU, YHM and YGK in Ontario alone.
As for the increased capactiy, I suspect that YOW-YYC YQR-YOW and YXE-YOW will become nonstop in both directions and that YQT-YOW will be nonstop daily in both directions. Others possible routes would be YOW-YHM, YHM-YEG and YOW-YQM. Maybe even a new YOW-YWG route and likely a YSB-YWG-YYC route.
As for Montreal, from what I have read getting landing slots and decent gates at YUL is a problem for them and YHU does not have adequate facilities yet. But for the Montrealers on the board don't worry, WJ will be there eventually. WJ has so many opportunities, that they can only select so many at one time, without running the risk of expanding too fast. However, I bet that they will be in YQG, before they come to Montreal. Avoiding Montreal has nothing to do with bilingualism. Ottawa-Hull is very bilingual and they have flown here for over a year now.
YWG777 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1264 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1406 times:
Give me the news on this 4th YWG-YHM flight. will it be in the 737-700?
I think its gfrwat that YSD got added. I see it doing very werll. just a little surprosed that YUL wasn't announced yet.
AC183 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1388 times:
Yow, while it's arguable whether the YHM-YQT/YOW routes are regional, the flights do compete with mainline aircraft from AC and C3. YSB service will compete with AirOntario turboprops. What I'm trying to imply is that I think the YSB route is significant because WJ has been relatively slow to develop it's eastern network, and to me adding YSB signifies that WJ will build a comprehensive network (including secondary centres) in both the east and west, because from what they were doing before it appeared as though they were simply adding major eastern routes that would carry a lot of western traffic feed.
WJ's sked doesn't seem to be updated at their site yet, but I checked oag.com (great site for checking scheduled flights), and found the additional YWG-YHM and YOW-YHM flights are 732 equipment, as is YSB. I guess the additional 737NG freed up a 732 for that flying. Also, I noticed that a second YWG-YQT flight is being added.
Fly_yhm, my apologies for jumping the gun regarding frequencies, but be careful of the wording of press releases nonetheless.
Mark_D. From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 1447 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1370 times:
Fallingeese --All I can say is... Go Westjet!
Yee-hah! ( they really deserve to succeed, East included. It`s slow the way they're expanding and testing out the market but on the other hand I think it's the right thing to do, especially if they build followings for places like YSB that they can use and count on later,regionally, when they add places like Montreal. Maybe even Halifax and St. John's as well)
Zrb2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1356 times:
Is WestJet a discount carrier?
On another note, how come no Canadian airlines serve Buffalo? I saw an AC Dash-8 at Rochester and even Syracuse I think? I would think there'd be a lot of cross border traffic and many of the flights could be timed to hook up with cheap Southwest and JetBlue flights into and out of BUF. I suppose most of the Southern Ontario people could just drive down if they want to use BUF?!?!
Samurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2461 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1348 times:
Yes, WestJet is a discount carrier, and it's modeled after Southwest Airlines.
WestJet doesn't have plans to have scheduled flights into the US, but I think it has done charter flights, though, usually into LAS. I guess that there's not much of a market for any Canadian carrier to serve BUF. It's a hell of a lot cheaper to just cross the border by car, even if travelers have to put up with long lineups, searches and not-so-polite customs people.