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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 4  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 12868 times:

Wow! Part four already!

Welcome to our fourth thread, and presumably, the last one of 2012!

We have had a nice discussion since the first thread was made in July.

Some talking points:

BA Starting daily flights last week
Now that this merger is presumably in full swing, what's going to happen?
G4 and AZA

Here is the list we have been working on since the last thread. I have updated it since you guys posted your replies. In regards to AS, I have included both the 9ER and 900 as part of its service to PHX.

AM EMB-145
AC Airbus A319, A320, E-190
AS Boeing 734, 73G, 738, 739, 739ER
AA MD-82, MD-83, Boeing 738, CRJ-200, EMB-145
BA Boeing 744
B6 Airbus A320
DL Airbus A319, A320, Boeing 738, 752, 753 (seasonal), 763 (seasonal), MD-90, CRJ-700, CRJ-900
F9 Airbus 319, E-190
HA Boeing 763ER
SY Boeing 73G, 738 (all seasonal)
UA Airbus A319, A320, Boeing 735, 739, 752, CRJ-200, CRJ-700
US Airbus A319, A320, A321, Boeing 752, CRJ-200, CRJ-900
WN Boeing 733, 735 (seasonal), 737, 738
WS Boeing 737, 738
ZK Beech 1900D

CARGO:

A8 Metroliner, EMB-120, Beech 1900, Beech C99, Piper PA-31-350 Chieftain
EM Cessna 208B
FX Boeing 722F (seasonal) Airbus A300F, A310F, MD-10F, MD-11F
GB Boeing 762F, 763F
OJ (I'm not sure which they operate here)
5X Airbus A300F, Boeing 752F, 763F, MD-11F (seasonal)

How does the list look so far?

Enjoy the weather, and Happy Holidays   

PHX787


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12634 times:

I forgot who but someone said that the WN 735 is summer seasonal, but this flight I found on Flightaware is still operating as a 735 and has been for a while:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA3685



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12574 times:

Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.


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User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12556 times:

Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12537 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 3):
Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

There are plenty of open gates that VX could use already, I suspect the biggest reason they haven't started flying here is the amount of competition on both LAX-PHX and SFO-PHX that's in place.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12530 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 4):
There are plenty of open gates that VX could use already, I suspect the biggest reason they haven't started flying here is the amount of competition on both LAX-PHX and SFO-PHX that's in place.
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 3):
Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

What's the whole attraction with VX? Last I checked that airline was in hot water...what kind of routes could they operate out of here?

Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.

Anyone have recent photos? PHXSpotters didn't post anything recently.



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12528 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.

I don't think we get any 727s here at PHX anymore, FX typically is all MD-10s A300s or MD-11s.



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12459 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):

I'm assuming the list is what flies out of PHX, but I am unfortunately too lazy to look at the last thread to know for sure. Anyway. UAL uses B73G and B738 (not mentioned), but I haven't seen any -500s in a while aside from the occasional IAH run since there are fewer than a dozen left in the fleet these days. Having said that, I could be full of crap. Although I can vouch for the -800 because one took me to IAD on Saturday. They ran a few B753s a week a few months back if I recall correctly.

I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

Also, I'm pretty sure SWA uses B735 year round. They only have 15 or 20 floating around so they aren't as prevalent as in the past, but they're still around. SWA generally doesn't seasonally do much of anything with their fleet, but that may start changing with the -800. I don't fly them so I don't really care.

Happily the theme of my post until now appears to be about dying airplanes, so I'll move on..


When I got to T2 around 8am Saturday, I found a nice surprise (considering PHX typically boasts remarkably unsurprising traffic). The fairly routine bit was that UAL had a chartered B764 (the Lions, I assume) parked just west of T2 where UA always parks, so neat-o. The noteworthy bit is that at 6A and 6B (or however the hell that PMCO charlie fox of a gate area is numbered) was the UA retro A320 parked next to the CO 75th B739. I'm guessing those two aren't parked side-by-side too often, so it did provide a brief distraction before returning to my search for coffee.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2349 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12455 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 3):
Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

After all these years, we'll probably see VX in Ch.7 court before we see them in PHX.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12453 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 6):
I don't think we get any 727s here at PHX anymore, FX typically is all MD-10s A300s or MD-11s.
Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

The operating pattern has been a little sketchy, but we've had a 727 here about 12 times in the last month. Haven't seen it in about a week though. Usually comes up from TUS and goes out to AFW.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I forgot who but someone said that the WN 735 is summer seasonal, but this flight I found on Flightaware is still operating as a 735 and has been for a while:

From the last thread, that was for UA, not WN:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 246):
UA - B735 appears to be summer seasonal



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12408 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

It should pick up soon with the Amazon center in the west valley.

On Saturday UPS had a MD-11 and A-300, FX had MD-11 and MD-10 in the mix.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):
After all these years, we'll probably see VX in Ch.7 court before we see them in PHX.

Agree, the only way I can see VX surviving is for them to be acquired by someone else. That being said, I do not see a long life for VX.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12389 times:

I wish there was a way to get to Sfo from phx.

Oh wait there is! Withn UA, WN, and US only an idiot would start another route on this highly competitive, highly served route. VX has no place/ need here


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12388 times:

G4 announced St Cloud Minnesota to Gateway. Should do quite well

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12344 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

Evergreen is bringing in a B742 from SDF today, its flight EIA2856 and is scheduled to land at 4:12PM MST.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12308 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I'm assuming the list is what flies out of PHX, but I am unfortunately too lazy to look at the last thread to know for sure.

Yep in and out of PHX

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

Ok I'll scratch them off.

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

I keep checking flightaware but I see nothing of the odd. I saw a 5X MD-11 last week though which was odd to me.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):
After all these years, we'll probably see VX in Ch.7 court before we see them in PHX.

That's my expectation.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 10):
From the last thread, that was for UA, not WN:

Ok I'll edit the list later.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 13):
G4 announced St Cloud Minnesota to Gateway. Should do quite well

Very nice addition! Maybe G4 can do some east coast cities.
What's it like at AZA with G4? Can airlines connect here or is it all purely O&D?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2070 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12298 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 12):
VX has no place/ need here

But what about all those people who want to fly on a plane with purple lights?  


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12279 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

Ok I'll scratch them off.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX1141

Again, they still continue to show up every year around this time.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
I saw a 5X MD-11 last week though which was odd to me.

They've been running up to 5 daily MD-11s since right after Thanksgiving, in addition to their other flights. Last Thursday they had 12 total movements and FDX had I think about 10 or 11. Very busy down there.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12247 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 14):
Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

Evergreen is bringing in a B742 from SDF today, its flight EIA2856 and is scheduled to land at 4:12PM MST.

Looks like a 6:10 arrival now.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA2856



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12232 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 18):
Looks like a 6:10 arrival now.

Guess who is going to upload a video when it lands!  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12183 times:

Please excuse this rather poorly-edited self-gloss. Some peak cargo fun I filmed tonight.

by the way, nice to meet you today wn676  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_Iq5q22dk&feature=youtu.be



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From Germany, joined Mar 2010, 1138 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12135 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 10):
The operating pattern has been a little sketchy, but we've had a 727 here about 12 times in the last month. Haven't seen it in about a week though. Usually comes up from TUS and goes out to AFW.

Apparently the part of my post saying that I'm full of crap proved correct (nothing new there). I always notice the Coyotes 727 so maybe that distracts me from the ones from FDX. Unfortunately it sounds like they may only be around for another year or two before they're all retired...sad, but they've gotta be expensive as hell to run.



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12125 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):

looks like Evergreens 747-200 will be flying back into PHX this morning at 04:05am from http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA850
UPS MD11- http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS9833 and UPS 767-300 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS854 Both are on Final approch to PHX now.

[Edited 2012-12-18 02:41:44]

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2997 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12071 times:

I saw this B744 inbound from Houston this AM, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...1/history/20121218/1350Z/KIAH/KPHX and now they've filed for Philly in an hour http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI2865


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7204 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (1 year 7 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12054 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 23):
I saw this B744 inbound from Houston this AM, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...1/history/20121218/1350Z/KIAH/KPHX and now they've filed for Philly in an hour http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...I2865

That's the dream lifter    I can't believe I missed that!



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25 mach2is2slowaz : Man o Man that would have been a great sight to see. I just saw it on Flight Aware a few minutes ago. It departed PHX at 11:07 this morning.
26 Post contains images wn676 : It was a standard Atlas '47, N418MC. I saw it pushing out of the alley this morning going by on the 10. It was nice meeting you last night as well [E
27 chrisair : Why would the Dreamlifter be flying IAH-PHX-PHL?
28 Post contains links PHX787 : Still a sight to see. Odd that flightaware put the dreamlifter as the photo. Yeah that's why I was shocked too but otherwise a Atlas 744 is still awe
29 mach2is2slowaz : It would be cool to start a heavy tracking page into PHX for the next few days so that we can all keep track of what's coming and when they are leavin
30 treebeard787 : Man I've got to get out to PHX soon before all the cargo heavies are done for the season. I would love to get a picture of an Evergreen 742 landing be
31 Post contains images PHX787 : I didn't see anything on Flightaware today unfortunately I second that but PHXSpotters on FB was supposed to apparently do that, but they didn't for
32 SiouxATC : 5X MD-11s are relatively common here in PHX. I've seen as many as 3 on the ground at the same time.
33 aztrainer : OK, This got me wondering what the frequencies of cargo aircraft was at PHX, so I complied a list of arrivals from 00:00 today until now using Flighta
34 treebeard787 : When ATC uses the word "Company" they are telling the flight crew they are fallowing another one of their company's aircraft, like a US plane fallowi
35 aztrainer : Thanks, I was trying to deduce this for the longest time.
36 SiouxATC : When ATC refers to "Company," it simply means that they are also speaking to another aircraft of the same airline. For example; "UPS834 follow behind
37 wn676 : Depending on the time of year, sure. Between January and mid-November, there was a grand total of one that came through here in March.
38 Post contains links 4holer : B742 arriving at 10PM tonite. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA9729
39 Post contains links and images PHX787 : Capital Cargo inbound at Midnight tonight folks http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCI969 excuse the self-plug and quality again but there was another
40 Post contains links mach2is2slowAZ : Looks like a BA268 747-400 has been diverted to PHX after departure from LAX on its way to LHR. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20121
41 Post contains images PHX787 : Leaving at 110AM Wondering if I should go out and snap its departure in this weather
42 Post contains links and images PHX787 : http://youtu.be/y9eTJwo10HQ Ignore the self-plug again, and the excessive wind noise.....rather, enjoy it because I doubt I'll ever do anything like t
43 Post contains links 4holer : Another one for today... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS9891 And a repeat of yesterday's B744 from Houston http://flightaware.com/live/flight/
44 Post contains links aztrainer : Well, it looks as if there is a PA-31 that went missing in the Matazal Mountains. http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ne-search-continue-today-abrk
45 EA CO AS : Let's hear it for T2 getting all the 739/739ER love at PHX!
46 Post contains links mach2is2slowAZ : A few days back there was talk about 727s flying into PHX. A Capital Cargo ( Cappy) 727 came in last night at 12:07am from BFI. http://flightaware.co
47 Post contains images PHX787 : I was asleep Soon T-3 when DL gets their 739s Heard her fly over. It was majestic indeed! haha
48 dlramp4life : Their fine at T2, I like T3 the way it is with all the 757s.
49 SiouxATC : Drove out to see the Atlas 744F leave today, what a great livery.
50 chrisair : It sure would be nice for the TSA to have more than one x-ray belt open when "all the 757s" depart.
51 osubuckeyes : Horrible in the spring when they have one belt open for the red-eyes. I've experienced the worst of it when there was a 767-300 sub and a 757-300 on
52 Post contains images PHX787 : Photo?
53 SiouxATC : All on my iPhone, crappy. Sorry my friend.
54 Post contains images SiouxATC : You asked. Awful quality.
55 Post contains images PHX787 : Love it I am not a quality-guy when it comes to rarities. Someone should snag a video next time he's in town. Unfortunately, I'm back in Ohio for the
56 SiouxATC : Baseball. JAL brought the Seattle Mariners to Japan and Atlas brought the Oakland A's. They train in Phoenix and opened the season in Tokyo.
57 Post contains links 4holer : Atlas 744 inbound yet again. Arriving at 9:28. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI9731
58 Post contains images mach2is2slowAZ : He should fly over head since this approach typically brings them over Chandler a 8000 feet. I hope to get a shot of his 45 deg approch to base.
59 4holer : Yup, just watched. Would have liked to see it flying a little lower, but any 747 is a good 747!
60 Post contains links PHX787 : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/L...0/history/20121220/1615Z/KPHX/KMIA Anyone wanna explain this? Is this a codeshare for the AA flight or somethin
61 chrisair : Yes. It is.
62 PHX787 : Looks like this 5Y flight is going to be a given until about the 23rd. Its routing is SDF-IAH-PHX-PHL.
63 Post contains links SiouxATC : Interesting. Looks like a repo to me. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20121220/1547Z/PHKO/KPHX
64 Post contains links PHX787 : Could be. It originated in HNL and flew in yesterday as well under the same flight number. Routing looks to be SDF-NHL-KOA with a tag back to PHX for
65 PHX787 : Another Evergreen (EIA9729 (B742)) filed to depart Ontario at 08:05PM for PHX.... Estimated at 09:51PM
66 HOONS90 : Copa started LAS fairly recently. I was wondering if there's any possibility of them opening up PHX?
67 aztrainer : According to Boeing.com "In the freighter mode, the MD-11CF can carry 197,400 pounds (89,540 kg) of cargo up to 5,235 statute miles (8,415 km)." Acco
68 treebeard787 : Emirates Skycargo 747-400F is en-route to PHX. Flight is GTI9731. Estimated arrival is 12:47PM. N415MC.
69 4holer : Just flew past. That is one attractive airplane!
70 Post contains images wn676 : Great seeing the EK colors here today! Here it is departing to PHL:
71 Post contains images PHX787 : Hot damn! I can't believe I am missing all the action in Phoenix this week! Stuck in Ohio till the 30th By the way, if you guys haven't noticed, PHXS
72 PHX787 : A couple extra UPS flights in today, keep an eye out. Also United is sending a 763 from ORD today, carrying the Chicago Bears. Post any peak cargo or
73 allegiantflyer : Is it possible for FLG to ever get any new service? not even on eagle?
74 aztrainer : I doubt it as there is not the load needed from PHX to FLG. Other than NAU students and then that is only when school is in session.
75 PHX787 : This route is going to die when the TUC-PHX-FLG high-speed train goes into effect, as the rumors continually say Guys, I think today's the last day o
76 Post contains images BD338 : Quoting aztrainer (Reply 74):I doubt it as there is not the load needed from PHX to FLG. Other than NAU students and then that is only when school is
77 aztrainer : They have been talking about the PHX-TUC train for a long time, but they need to put down a whole new set of tracks because the ones that run between
78 aztrainer : Does anyone know why the top of the parking garage of T-3 is now restricted to people with badges? I tried to go spotting there, but I discovered this
79 wn676 : The top at the east or west end?
80 DFWneedsQF : Did anyone see the World MD-11. I almost was run off the road by cops trying to escort the charter buses full of what I assume were football players.
81 93Sierra : I can tell you for a fact that every OO 200 is close to sold or over booked. Things get interesting when they shut down FLG and you have 4-5 flts canc
82 SANFan : Ummmmm, FYI, Tucson's code is "TUS". bb
83 93Sierra : Would another turboprop operator ever come into and serve PHX or even take a risk on IWA and bid for either EaS routes or open new ones/ fly under the
84 aztrainer : Both, I tried from the west and east and they had it coned off and signs stating that you needed a badge to get up to the top. I thought US did have
85 SiouxATC : WOA MD-11 is from LAN. Michigan State charter.
86 Cactus742 : Just saw on the news that there was a plane on fire at Sky Harbor. Looked like a US A319. That Could be what's causing the problems around the airport
87 wn676 : It was an A320. First time I've ever seen those foam nozzles actually put to use.
88 dlramp4life : The parking garage is getting "rewired". They are starting up on levels five and six and working their way down. It was restricted to people with bad
89 aztrainer : OK, thanks. I was wondering if it was due to the season and wanting to give employees a place to park closer to the terminal. Do you know if they wil
90 Post contains links aztrainer : From AZcentral http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...ix-sky-harbor-plane-fire-abrk.html "The tail of a U.S. Airways plane at Phoenix Sky Harbor Inte
91 Post contains images PHX787 : Merry Christmas all I'll be back in the valley on the 30th. When was this? I went to the top of 3 last week and had no issues. If its the back or tail
92 wn676 : It was indeed a tailpipe fire due to a fuel leak. N627AW.
93 aztrainer : As of 12/21/12 when I was there.
94 dlramp4life : Yeah, the levels upper levels will reopen. The upper levels are usually for employees. All sorts of employees us the T3 garage, even some US employee
95 AirframeAS : Whatever happened to the Mojave Employee Parking lot and one other lot I cannot remember it's name.
96 wn676 : Tonto East? We got moved out of there in summer '09 when the city closed the lot and sent to South Mojave. Then the city closed that lot in summer '1
97 chrisair : I heard someone on the Employee...err East Economy Shuttle saying employees are getting moved once the SkyTrain is running.
98 wn676 : Yep, they built a new surface lot out at 44th/Washington. They've been soliciting for an initial group to move out there. Eventually I've heard they'
99 AirframeAS : What are they using these lots for now? Are they sitting bare and vacant at the moment? Why can't they do what DEN is doing: Airside Parking and Land
100 dlramp4life : Wouldn't surprise me I don't know. They probably are sitting bare and vacant. I know the old rental car lots off 24th street and FedEx and ups are st
101 wn676 : Yep, bare and vacant for the most part. Tonto East got resurfaced and re-striped about a year ago. Don't know why they would spend all that money aft
102 PHX787 : I got booted once from the lot at the end of 26 near 24th street by the fuzz while I was spotting. Its strange because I typically saw spotters there
103 wn676 : Yeah they seem to not like people over in that spot anymore. It's good for a quick shot if you know specifically what you want to get.
104 Post contains links and images wn676 : Some of you may have noticed how cold it was this morning... PHX De-ice
105 Post contains images PHX787 : Well it is 27 and a winter storm warning.......... Oh wait- I'm in Cincinnati still
106 aztrainer : OK, I have lived in Phoenix for a LONG time and have been here when it snowed, but I would of never thought that PHX would of had De-icing equipment.
107 Post contains images wn676 : They've always had deicing equipment...it's called sunshine! Both WN and US have trucks, I'm not sure about the others though. They were out doing fr
108 SiouxATC : Delta 330-300 on the ground now, came in from LAX earlier today after taking some Badgers fans from MSN for the Rose Bowl. United 772 also coming in t
109 Post contains links PSAJet17 : A Lancair IV-P with three people aboard crashed near San Diego this morning killing all on board. The plane departed Montgomery Field (KMYF) and was e
110 aztrainer : That is what I though did our De-icing
111 Post contains images PHX787 : Well it is 27 and a winter storm warning yesterday lol.......... Oh wait Will they be there tomorrow? I come in around 11am on the DL flight from MSP
112 Post contains links PSAJet17 : The three people killed in the crash of a Lancair IV-P just outside San Diego have been identified as 65 year old William Stern, Jr. (President of Ste
113 Maverick623 : That's what Mesa uses. I remember one morning we were deicing planes on the mainline side until almost 9AM... let's just say Express had a bad day.
114 PHX787 : You know what? Who is actually doing the de-icing? is there a special crew? Or is it just the ground guys? Because at airports like PHX I wouldn't ex
115 treebeard787 : Serviceair was doing the US Airways aircraft using US Air equipment. WN has one of their own de-icing trucks that they were using.
116 Boston : Does anyone know how much it's costing DL per day to park that A330 at PHX? In MT where I used to work airport ops, it didn't cost much to park an air
117 Post contains images PHX787 : OK who is doing the charters for the Fiesta Bowl? If you guys got any info, post it here or on the PHX Spotters page! I wanna do some spotting finally
118 Post contains links aztrainer : I know Oregon came in on a United 738 K- State came in on a AA 757 http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...states-top-worry-oregons-pace.html I still t
119 Post contains images PHX787 : Happy New Year to you guys! It's been a fun year and I'm really happy to see the contributions to this thread. I have a feeling that by the end of thi
120 Post contains links allegiantflyer : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8606 Is this another Rose bowl(is that what its called?) charter?
121 Post contains links allegiantflyer : Silly me looks like there is 2 of them Here is the second flight http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8608
122 Post contains links allegiantflyer : Ok number 3 just took off... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8610 How many more are there?
123 SiouxATC : Kansas State fan charters. 4 of them, for the Fiesta Bowl.
124 aztrainer : I have a question about the WN flights. I do not remember WN being that big of a charter provider. Is this a change that has just recently occurred? I
125 SiouxATC : WN does a fair amount of charter flying mostly for fans during the bowl season. And for some teams during the regular season. We also do alot of milit
126 aztrainer : Thank you for the information. I was under the idea that the business plan that WN uses has their planes at optimal usage most of the time and would
127 SiouxATC : We usually deploy charters from one of our mx bases, there is enough slack in the fleet to cover all this flying given the time of year. Both -300s an
128 allegiantflyer : Wouldnt it of been cheaper for them just to get one/two large planes instead of 4 -700s?
129 93Sierra : More WN flights/charters came in today from EUG on top of the few that came in 2 days ago. Also, looks like G4 sent a flight to PHX rather than to IWA
130 aztrainer : Thank you for the information. That is partially why I was wondering if they chose WN due to their presence in PHX. Can they still run charters durin
131 dlramp4life : I don't know extract rates but it would be much cheaper then parking in LAX. Plus there are a lot of open spaces in PHX vs LAX
132 chrisair : They often run troop charters during the summer. It's not like every plane is running a full schedule, every day, in the summer. Not necessarily. It'
133 PHX787 : Kindof an odd question, but what are the odds of FX sending a 77F into PHX instead of their MD10s and MD11s?
134 atcsundevil : Low. I'm pretty sure most of them fly to Asia. They wouldn't see enough efficiency gains flying PHX-MEM to warrant a 77F. Their original order was on
135 SiouxATC : Never going to happen.
136 allegiantflyer : Ok so im asking this because its been bothering me lately,In all the threads about a US/AA merger they are saying that PHX is going to be very much do
137 Byrdluvs747 : Most of the "PHX must die!!" nonsense is coming from idiots who never lived here or even been to PHX.
138 PHX787 : People immediately think PHX is nothing but dust storms. Then they see photos I post and say "wow this place is huge!" PHX is never going to be de-hu
139 AirframeAS : When I first moved to PHX in 2002, I was so amazed on how huge that place is. It takes an hour and 15 minutes to get from IWA to Peoria! That's how b
140 aztrainer : Agree I was on top of T-4 parking garage waiting for my wife to come back from a trip two years ago and a guy from New York game up to look. We start
141 allegiantflyer : Exactly,All these people in the merger threads are saying is that PHX will be De-Hubbed. But im not entirely sure why a merged AA would want to back
142 aztrainer : Because like everything from the East, we are nothing more than hayseeds. I could see DL, WN, HA and UA increasing at any loss of traffic due to a me
143 atcsundevil : First of all, PHX won't be de-hubbed like LAS after the US-HP merger, so any grumblings from the media or a.netters that PHX will be de-hubbed is just
144 Post contains links aztrainer : I could the fact that PHX is not a wide body hub like CLT and PHL come from the fact that the division of US east and west? I agree that for a true hu
145 wn676 : No. If US wanted to they could make it happen, even with the flight crews split. It wouldn't be the most optimal in terms of crew scheduling, but it'
146 Post contains links and images wn676 : Oh, almost forgot. G4 was operating a fan charter for Oregon today. The first plane (N864GA) broke and a new one (N417NV) had to be ferried in from LA
147 dlramp4life : Great pictures, I was surpised to see that US was handling them...
148 Post contains images wn676 : I was too. Thought Servisair would have picked that up. Or that anti ground handling DL... [Edited 2013-01-04 14:04:52]
149 atcsundevil : It's a division of east and west because they make it a division. Which is exactly why an AA merger probably won't happen. US has been in complete di
150 aztrainer : Who handled the K-State 737-800 from Miami Air this morning? I know it came from the north side, but I was shooting at 40th St area and just saw it co
151 allegiantflyer : That sweedish guy in the other thread is a total noob
152 Post contains images PHX787 : Yeah really he was pissing me off. Of course it's bias but wouldn't you expect us to know about our own airport better? BTW- funniest thing I've read
153 Post contains images chrisair : No offense, but just because your friends support the route, does not mean the route will be profitable. Unless you happen to have 300 friends who ne
154 Post contains images PHX787 : I hate that word- profitable That word always comes at the expense of customer service..... Well the 787 in comparison between JL and NH: NH: 42 —
155 aztrainer : I still think that the best option for PHX is to be the termination point of a intermediate flight from NRT like a NRT-LAX-PHX or NRT-SAN-PHX. Use thi
156 EricR : In defense of the Sweedish noob, his comments pertained to the survival of the PHX hub in a combined AA/US network. This is a very different situation
157 aztrainer : That is the problem is that, in a US/AA combined market, PHX is redundant and in the middle of their strongholds of LAX and DFW. I also look at it th
158 PHX787 : Wait a second here: UA Has a 'hub' in LAX and SFO but makes it work. LAX is not a fortress hub or any sort of stronghold for AA. I don't see a proble
159 Post contains images dlramp4life : haha, I recall saying something on instagram about that hmm..... Speaking of servisair, the past couple nights HA has been parked on gate 26 on T3 no
160 aztrainer : Yes, but US/AA would need and want to keep PHX at the level it is now. There would have to be come redundancy in the AA and US flights in PHX. To hav
161 steex : No, I wouldn't. There are a lot of people here who do a lot of data analysis, planning, and other work for airlines or aviation consultants. At your
162 PHX787 : So HA is already at 3N?
163 Post contains links chrisair : Sixth, right behind Philly. http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...s-6-sixth-largest-city-census.html
164 SANFan : On several occasions I've mentioned (on this thread) that foreign flags very rarely do US tag-ons any more. (I can't think of any in place now. Can a
165 treebeard787 : PR had a YVR-LAS tag for awhile but I believe they stopped it. KE in the past served LAS from ICN as a tag on from LAX but its now a non-stop from IC
166 dlramp4life : For the inbound then it gets towed off the gate.
167 PHX787 : When did they start doing this? Last I was at the airport at such a deathly hour it taxiied to T3S directly.
168 SANFan : The PR tag between YVR and Vegas was a bit different as PR could carry local traffic over the segment (although it was limited.) You're absolutely ri
169 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : I was in El Paso over the Holidays and spotted this AN-124 at Biggs Army Air Field. Not the best quaity because we were driving as the photos where ta
170 PHX787 : You're from az lol That's impressive actually
171 PHX787 : Acc to the oag thread UA is adding another flight to PHX soon
172 allegiantflyer : What kind of route?
173 PHX787 : DEN-PHX Now to 5 daily
174 chrisair : Great. When will T2 get PreCheck, like it was supposed to in October?
175 mach2is2slowaz : Based on flight aware data there are already 23 flights a day between Untied, USairways, Frontier and Southwest. Not sure what the load factors are bu
176 mah4546 : City proper doesn't matter. It's 12th in urban area and 14th in metro.
177 treebeard787 : I don't know the numbers, but every time I have flown up to DEN the flight is usually full. UA has used 752s on the route and currently has a 739 on
178 dlramp4life : I guess it depends on what B6 operations are doing since both airlines share a gate... But I heard that the HA A330 will start service to PHX next ye
179 93Sierra : Any wonder why the Aeromexico Erj has been running late as of lately? They have been using b21 and things got interesting the other night with westjet
180 AirframeAS : Yep. All of The UA and F9 flights between the two cities are packed to the gills!!!
181 Maverick623 : B21 isn't an FIS gate, maybe you're thinking of B23?
182 wn676 : That was a one-off charter, and they used B23.
183 PHX787 : Apparently an AY ERJ is at cutter this weekend. When is it coming in and departing? I'll be at 40th this Sunday filming. Check the PHXspotters page on
184 aztrainer : Good, then next December I can fly HA's 330 to the island for Christmas.....
185 93Sierra : Check again westjet uses b21 we can't part there after 1900. I know it's it a customs gate and they don't tow it over from one of the end fis gates.
186 PHX787 : The guy I saw today was at B23 but left after an hour on the ground.
187 Post contains links allegiantflyer : does anybody have more information about Piedmont starting service to PHX "effective january 2013" according to the western option in the route map ht
188 treebeard787 : Piedmont does customer service here and ramp service for US Airways. Mesa and Skywest are the only US regionals at PHX.
189 wn676 : WS is able to use B21 nightly for their YYC turn because they preclear in Calgary. It's not an FIS gate. 5D had a charter flight that came in around
190 93Sierra : Thanks for the info on WS.
191 PHX787 : Anyone have an update on when AY is departing tomorrow?
192 wn676 : Look at the map legend. Their entire Western Operation is customer service/ground handling only. They only do ramp and gates for Express. US has thei
193 aztrainer : FIN-8921 PHX - CYYR (Goose Bay, Canada) Departure time 07:10 MST
194 aztrainer : Looking through the departures today, I stumbled across this one. LAN - 8250 PHX - MIA 738 - 09:25 It seems to be a daily thing, so is this simply a f
195 EricR : Codeshare with AA
196 aztrainer : Thanks, I was wondering why LAN and AA has flight leaving at the same time both going to MIA.
197 treebeard787 : You are correct, I should have specified Express in my post.
198 BA744PHX : Does anyone know how Spirit doing on DEN-AZA and ORD-AZA?
199 PHX787 : C-17 just landed over my house 3 min ago
200 PSAJet17 : I hope it flew over your house and didn't land on it!
201 aztrainer : I was thinking the same thing or wondering if ther is a new VTOL C-17.
202 allegiantflyer : Im guessing they are doing good on AZA-DEN because F9 got scared off and declared the route seasonal
203 Post contains images PHX787 : Hahahahah it was low enough Any idea when it's taking off???
204 Post contains links AirframeAS : Can you guys answer this question about the A380 in Arizona?? A380 In Arizona? (by OldAeroGuy Jan 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)
205 PHX787 : I heard a cargo 747 was going to Marana but I am not sure.
206 infiniti329 : What cargo airline is this?
207 PHX787 : I forgot but it was just heard through the wayside. Did Southern retire anything today?
208 treebeard787 : It's Ameriflight, a cargo carrier that operates to smaller community's in the area.
209 Post contains links PHX787 : So why did the BA 744 take off so late today? The weather today was perfect; is it the snow in London? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BAW288
210 Post contains links steex : Arrival into PHX was a few hours late due to LHR delays. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130118/1505Z/EGLL/KPHX
211 4holer : With the NHL playing again, will the Coyotes have the 727 as the team plane this year?
212 Post contains links treebeard787 : Yup. They just used it to fly to DAL to play the Stars. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/P...8/history/20130118/2000Z/KPHX/KDAL
213 PHX787 : Looks like he is coming in around midnight tonight
214 mach2is2slowAZ : Slow day in PHX aviation news.
215 airportugal310 : No it is not. It seems to always come up, for reasons I can't understand, but no A330 for PHX in 2013 with current planning. The 767 is serving PHX j
216 aztrainer : I can see it as an originating portion for a flight, but not a direct to Hawai'i. I can see a PHX-ONT-HNL (OGG, KOA, LIH), PHX-SAN-HNL (OGG, KOA, LIH
217 aztrainer : News is reporting that the 787 investigation is going to go to a company in Southern Arizona. They will be going to the company in Tucson where the ba
218 PHX787 : I highly doubt the flight will be down-gauged. It's such a lucrative market from HNL, but MAYBE it could work well from PHX-KOA.
219 dlramp4life : I was talking about next year(2014). I heard that from a line mech that the A330 will be coming to PHX. True but aren't the 763s on their way out at
220 treebeard787 : If HA were to use the 321NEO here to PHX, I'd expect they would run more then one daily flight. I think they would run a schedule closer to what US A
221 Post contains images airportugal310 : I know A LOT more on the NEO's than I feel comfortable sharing, so I can't say. I would not rule that out though. Can't really rule anything out per
222 atcsundevil : Eloquent? You are far too kind. I agree with all of your points. BA makes it work somehow, but they're actually a good airline. I would only spend 12
223 4holer : As I'd mentioned in the other thread, a 747SP left MZJ that morning. It's proportions would definitely look like an A380. I'd put money on that being
224 aztrainer : "If HA were to use the 321NEO here to PHX, I'd expect they would run more then one daily flight. I think they would run a schedule closer to what US A
225 wn676 : BA makes it work because it's the only airline in Phoenix that serves the largest international market outside of North America. Every day they have,
226 treebeard787 : I'm curious, why do you think US isn't a real airline? I've flown them many times, including trans-Atlantic and have found their service to be as goo
227 PHX787 : Fox 10 showing a chopper crash in Mesa
228 Post contains links and images Maverick623 : http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...s-in-mesa-neighborhood-no-one-hurt Looks like he lost power and made a successful autorotation landing. However
229 Maverick623 : From the Fox 10 article: "After the crash, the pilot was seen trying to disassemble the homemade plane so it could be removed from the sidewalk." Hope
230 PHX787 : Oh that could be a bad move. But it was home-made.....
231 PHX787 : Anyone know why BA289 isn't operating tuesdays anymore?
232 atcsundevil : For some reason I though that thread was from a while back, so I'm an idiot. I don't know where in TUS they were, but if it was anything north of TUS
233 Post contains images Maverick623 : I'm a little confused here. You bash US for having a crappy international network and mostly domestic narrowbody planes, and you think an airline wit
234 treebeard787 : So to be a "real" airline you have to have over 500 aircraft with 100s of widebodies and have hubs at the largest cities in the country and a huge in
235 Maverick623 : Unless you're WN:
236 wn676 : Just about any major airline could make PHX-LON work with those numbers, that was my point. And I doubt US is as terrible and mentally deficient as y
237 chrisair : I just don't fly USAir because of what they did to PSA. The orange A319 is an insult, especially since it's an east bird. I always liked America West,
238 Post contains images PHX787 : Well the rain sucks today. Departure delays of 25 minutes. My parking lot is flooded. Why is LAX considered a hub for AA? If anything I see it as a la
239 aztrainer : Speak for yourself. As a native, I love the rain and know that the desert needs the moisture. A 25 minute delay is nothing. I have been on planes tha
240 Post contains links PHX787 : Ok now what's going on here...equipment outage? http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPHX Looks like the BAW plane is going-around. All planes were lan
241 aztrainer : Listening to liveAT right now and seems normal. I think that they said that there was a problem with the glide slope indicator on 26 or that it was g
242 Post contains links aztrainer : Looks like they flipped it and using 26 for T/O They are landing everyone on 25L US 301 is doing a lot of circles also. http://flightaware.com/live/fl
243 PHX787 : The BAW landed on 25 and it was quite interesting seeing him pass on the south side of my apartment, over the lake, instead of over the freeway. Wish
244 Post contains links aztrainer : http://www.liveatc.net/search/?icao=kphx Click on the first one that say listen in browser,
245 wn676 : They've been using 26 for departures for most of the day. Started when they switched the flow this morning from east to west right in between US's mor
246 aztrainer : Are they doing anything with 25R? They all seem to be landing on 25L and then they will need to cross 25R to get to the gates. Is this normal? I know
247 PHX787 : Anyone figure out why BA isn't operating tuesdays now?
248 PHX787 : Guys there may be an a/c down, I am listening to LiveATC and they just told an ABX aircraft to listen for a ELT.....anyone have more info ? The ABX ai
249 aztrainer : I believe it is a seasonal thing and will go back 7 days a week soon. Could not find anything in the paper.
250 Post contains links iowaman : Please continue the discussion in Part 5: Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 5 (by iowaman Feb 2 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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