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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 4  
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 13030 times:

Wow! Part four already!

Welcome to our fourth thread, and presumably, the last one of 2012!

We have had a nice discussion since the first thread was made in July.

Some talking points:

BA Starting daily flights last week
Now that this merger is presumably in full swing, what's going to happen?
G4 and AZA

Here is the list we have been working on since the last thread. I have updated it since you guys posted your replies. In regards to AS, I have included both the 9ER and 900 as part of its service to PHX.

AM EMB-145
AC Airbus A319, A320, E-190
AS Boeing 734, 73G, 738, 739, 739ER
AA MD-82, MD-83, Boeing 738, CRJ-200, EMB-145
BA Boeing 744
B6 Airbus A320
DL Airbus A319, A320, Boeing 738, 752, 753 (seasonal), 763 (seasonal), MD-90, CRJ-700, CRJ-900
F9 Airbus 319, E-190
HA Boeing 763ER
SY Boeing 73G, 738 (all seasonal)
UA Airbus A319, A320, Boeing 735, 739, 752, CRJ-200, CRJ-700
US Airbus A319, A320, A321, Boeing 752, CRJ-200, CRJ-900
WN Boeing 733, 735 (seasonal), 737, 738
WS Boeing 737, 738
ZK Beech 1900D

CARGO:

A8 Metroliner, EMB-120, Beech 1900, Beech C99, Piper PA-31-350 Chieftain
EM Cessna 208B
FX Boeing 722F (seasonal) Airbus A300F, A310F, MD-10F, MD-11F
GB Boeing 762F, 763F
OJ (I'm not sure which they operate here)
5X Airbus A300F, Boeing 752F, 763F, MD-11F (seasonal)

How does the list look so far?

Enjoy the weather, and Happy Holidays   

PHX787


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 12796 times:

I forgot who but someone said that the WN 735 is summer seasonal, but this flight I found on Flightaware is still operating as a 735 and has been for a while:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA3685



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12736 times:

Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.


Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12718 times:

Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 3):
Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

There are plenty of open gates that VX could use already, I suspect the biggest reason they haven't started flying here is the amount of competition on both LAX-PHX and SFO-PHX that's in place.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12692 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 4):
There are plenty of open gates that VX could use already, I suspect the biggest reason they haven't started flying here is the amount of competition on both LAX-PHX and SFO-PHX that's in place.
Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 3):
Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

What's the whole attraction with VX? Last I checked that airline was in hot water...what kind of routes could they operate out of here?

Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.

Anyone have recent photos? PHXSpotters didn't post anything recently.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 12690 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.

I don't think we get any 727s here at PHX anymore, FX typically is all MD-10s A300s or MD-11s.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12630 times:

With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days ago) and read 12621 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):

I'm assuming the list is what flies out of PHX, but I am unfortunately too lazy to look at the last thread to know for sure. Anyway. UAL uses B73G and B738 (not mentioned), but I haven't seen any -500s in a while aside from the occasional IAH run since there are fewer than a dozen left in the fleet these days. Having said that, I could be full of crap. Although I can vouch for the -800 because one took me to IAD on Saturday. They ran a few B753s a week a few months back if I recall correctly.

I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

Also, I'm pretty sure SWA uses B735 year round. They only have 15 or 20 floating around so they aren't as prevalent as in the past, but they're still around. SWA generally doesn't seasonally do much of anything with their fleet, but that may start changing with the -800. I don't fly them so I don't really care.

Happily the theme of my post until now appears to be about dying airplanes, so I'll move on..


When I got to T2 around 8am Saturday, I found a nice surprise (considering PHX typically boasts remarkably unsurprising traffic). The fairly routine bit was that UAL had a chartered B764 (the Lions, I assume) parked just west of T2 where UA always parks, so neat-o. The noteworthy bit is that at 6A and 6B (or however the hell that PMCO charlie fox of a gate area is numbered) was the UA retro A320 parked next to the CO 75th B739. I'm guessing those two aren't parked side-by-side too often, so it did provide a brief distraction before returning to my search for coffee.


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days ago) and read 12617 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 3):
Maybe if a merger does happen,sommaybe e gate space will clear up and make space for VX :p

After all these years, we'll probably see VX in Ch.7 court before we see them in PHX.



The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 3 days ago) and read 12615 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 6):
I don't think we get any 727s here at PHX anymore, FX typically is all MD-10s A300s or MD-11s.
Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Are we still seeing FedEx 722s at all? They have been pulling them from the fleet and don't know where they are still going.
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

The operating pattern has been a little sketchy, but we've had a 727 here about 12 times in the last month. Haven't seen it in about a week though. Usually comes up from TUS and goes out to AFW.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I forgot who but someone said that the WN 735 is summer seasonal, but this flight I found on Flightaware is still operating as a 735 and has been for a while:

From the last thread, that was for UA, not WN:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 246):
UA - B735 appears to be summer seasonal



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

It should pick up soon with the Amazon center in the west valley.

On Saturday UPS had a MD-11 and A-300, FX had MD-11 and MD-10 in the mix.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):
After all these years, we'll probably see VX in Ch.7 court before we see them in PHX.

Agree, the only way I can see VX surviving is for them to be acquired by someone else. That being said, I do not see a long life for VX.


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12551 times:

I wish there was a way to get to Sfo from phx.

Oh wait there is! Withn UA, WN, and US only an idiot would start another route on this highly competitive, highly served route. VX has no place/ need here


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12550 times:

G4 announced St Cloud Minnesota to Gateway. Should do quite well

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12506 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

Evergreen is bringing in a B742 from SDF today, its flight EIA2856 and is scheduled to land at 4:12PM MST.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12470 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I'm assuming the list is what flies out of PHX, but I am unfortunately too lazy to look at the last thread to know for sure.

Yep in and out of PHX

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

Ok I'll scratch them off.

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

I keep checking flightaware but I see nothing of the odd. I saw a 5X MD-11 last week though which was odd to me.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 9):
After all these years, we'll probably see VX in Ch.7 court before we see them in PHX.

That's my expectation.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 10):
From the last thread, that was for UA, not WN:

Ok I'll edit the list later.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 13):
G4 announced St Cloud Minnesota to Gateway. Should do quite well

Very nice addition! Maybe G4 can do some east coast cities.
What's it like at AZA with G4? Can airlines connect here or is it all purely O&D?



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12460 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 12):
VX has no place/ need here

But what about all those people who want to fly on a plane with purple lights?  


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12441 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 8):
I haven't seen a FDX B722 in a long time so you can probably scratch that off. They're only going to have a handful over the next couple of years as they get replaced.

Ok I'll scratch them off.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FDX1141

Again, they still continue to show up every year around this time.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 15):
I saw a 5X MD-11 last week though which was odd to me.

They've been running up to 5 daily MD-11s since right after Thanksgiving, in addition to their other flights. Last Thursday they had 12 total movements and FDX had I think about 10 or 11. Very busy down there.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12409 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 14):
Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 7):
With about 9 days left until Christmas anyone know when the heavy metal will start flying into PHX again for the last minute holiday cargo rush? Last year we had 2 to 3 747s per day leading up to Dec 25th. Evergreen N482EV and National Airlines N919CA along with the daily BA flight.

Evergreen is bringing in a B742 from SDF today, its flight EIA2856 and is scheduled to land at 4:12PM MST.

Looks like a 6:10 arrival now.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA2856



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12394 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 18):
Looks like a 6:10 arrival now.

Guess who is going to upload a video when it lands!  



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12345 times:

Please excuse this rather poorly-edited self-gloss. Some peak cargo fun I filmed tonight.

by the way, nice to meet you today wn676  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9_Iq5q22dk&feature=youtu.be



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12297 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 10):
The operating pattern has been a little sketchy, but we've had a 727 here about 12 times in the last month. Haven't seen it in about a week though. Usually comes up from TUS and goes out to AFW.

Apparently the part of my post saying that I'm full of crap proved correct (nothing new there). I always notice the Coyotes 727 so maybe that distracts me from the ones from FDX. Unfortunately it sounds like they may only be around for another year or two before they're all retired...sad, but they've gotta be expensive as hell to run.


User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 20):

looks like Evergreens 747-200 will be flying back into PHX this morning at 04:05am from http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA850
UPS MD11- http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS9833 and UPS 767-300 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS854 Both are on Final approch to PHX now.

[Edited 2012-12-18 02:41:44]

User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12233 times:

I saw this B744 inbound from Houston this AM, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...1/history/20121218/1350Z/KIAH/KPHX and now they've filed for Philly in an hour http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI2865


Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12216 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 23):
I saw this B744 inbound from Houston this AM, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...1/history/20121218/1350Z/KIAH/KPHX and now they've filed for Philly in an hour http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...I2865

That's the dream lifter    I can't believe I missed that!



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12253 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
That's the dream lifter I can't believe I missed that!

Man o Man that would have been a great sight to see. I just saw it on Flight Aware a few minutes ago. It departed PHX at 11:07 this morning.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12260 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
Quoting 4holer (Reply 23):
I saw this B744 inbound from Houston this AM, http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...1/history/20121218/1350Z/KIAH/KPHX and now they've filed for Philly in an hour http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...I2865

That's the dream lifter I can't believe I missed that!

It was a standard Atlas '47, N418MC. I saw it pushing out of the alley this morning going by on the 10.

It was nice meeting you last night as well  Smile

[Edited 2012-12-18 11:45:36]


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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12331 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 24):
That's the dream lifter    I can't believe I missed that!

Why would the Dreamlifter be flying IAH-PHX-PHL?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 28, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12316 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 26):
It was a standard Atlas '47, N418MC. I saw it pushing out of the alley this morning going by on the 10.

Still a sight to see. Odd that flightaware put the dreamlifter as the photo.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 27):
Why would the Dreamlifter be flying IAH-PHX-PHL?

Yeah that's why I was shocked too but otherwise a Atlas 744 is still awesome

For what it's worth 5X is sending another MD11 in a few hours.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS2854



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowaz From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12298 times:

It would be cool to start a heavy tracking page into PHX for the next few days so that we can all keep track of what's coming and when they are leaving. It's pretty cool to watch the 747s and even the MD11s departing from PHX to the East from Chandler. They look like they are barely moving and it seems to take a long time for them to climb out. When they depart to the West sometime they get routed right over Chandler and circle back to the North.

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 30, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12292 times:

Man I've got to get out to PHX soon before all the cargo heavies are done for the season. I would love to get a picture of an Evergreen 742 landing between 4-5PM, when the light is perfect for arrivals from the east.


Allons-y!
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 31, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12285 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 30):
Man I've got to get out to PHX soon before all the cargo heavies are done for the season. I would love to get a picture of an Evergreen 742 landing between 4-5PM, when the light is perfect for arrivals from the east.

I didn't see anything on Flightaware today unfortunately  
Quoting mach2is2slowaz (Reply 29):
It would be cool to start a heavy tracking page into PHX for the next few days so that we can all keep track of what's coming and when they are leaving

I second that but PHXSpotters on FB was supposed to apparently do that, but they didn't for the Atlas flight this morning....

If you guys catch anything interesting coming inbound, post it here, I guess



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
For what it's worth 5X is sending another MD11 in a few hours.

5X MD-11s are relatively common here in PHX. I've seen as many as 3 on the ground at the same time.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

OK, This got me wondering what the frequencies of cargo aircraft was at PHX, so I complied a list of arrivals from 00:00 today until now using Flightaware.

Flight # ----- Type---Dept Time

UPS 9723 - B757 - 00:30
UPS 834 - B767 - 03:26
UPS 9833 - MD-11 - 03:31
FDX 1863 - DC-10 - 05:04
EIA - 850 - B742 - 05:28
UPS - 856 - B752 - 05:35
FDX - 1748 - MD-11 - 05:59
FDX - 1192 - DC-10 - 06:37
FDX - 1403 - MD-11 - 06:42
ABE - 815 - B763 - 07:12
FDX - 1411 - DC-10 - 07:41
GTI - 9731 - B744 - 08:26
UPS - 858 - MD-11 - 08:45
FDX - 1778 - DC-10 - 09:58
GTI - 2865 - B744 - 11:07
FDX - 3632 - A-306 - 19:20
UPS - 853 - MD-11 - 22:38

There seems to be a lot of DC-10's and not MD-10's on the list, but I also know Flightaware can be wrong.

Also who uses the callsign, "Company"? I have heard it in the past, but have been unable to find who uses it.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12274 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 33):
Also who uses the callsign, "Company"? I have heard it in the past, but have been unable to find who uses it.

When ATC uses the word "Company" they are telling the flight crew they are fallowing another one of their company's aircraft, like a US plane fallowing another US plane.



Allons-y!
User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12248 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 34):
When ATC uses the word "Company" they are telling the flight crew they are fallowing another one of their company's aircraft, like a US plane fallowing another US plane.

Thanks, I was trying to deduce this for the longest time.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12254 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 33):
Also who uses the callsign, "Company"? I have heard it in the past, but have been unable to find who uses it.

When ATC refers to "Company," it simply means that they are also speaking to another aircraft of the same airline. For example; "UPS834 follow behind company MD-11." Meaning that the said MD-11 is also UPS. Does this make sense?


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 12208 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 32):
5X MD-11s are relatively common here in PHX.

Depending on the time of year, sure. Between January and mid-November, there was a grand total of one that came through here in March.



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User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

B742 arriving at 10PM tonite.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA9729



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 39, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12175 times:

Capital Cargo inbound at Midnight tonight folks
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCI969

Quoting wn676 (Reply 37):
Depending on the time of year, sure. Between January and mid-November, there was a grand total of one that came through here in March.

excuse the self-plug and quality again but there was another that flew over ASU earlier today when it was actually light outside

http://i48.tinypic.com/2d6uohd.jpg



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12143 times:

Looks like a BA268 747-400 has been diverted to PHX after departure from LAX on its way to LHR. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...8/history/20121219/0440Z/KLAX/EGLL
Sounds like a medical emergency - 2 yr old female having seizures. Listen live on Live ATC
http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?mount=kphx&icao=kphx


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 41, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12112 times:

Leaving at 110AM

Wondering if I should go out and snap its departure in this weather   



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 42, posted (1 year 9 months 23 hours ago) and read 12094 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 40):
BA268
http://youtu.be/y9eTJwo10HQ

Ignore the self-plug again, and the excessive wind noise.....rather, enjoy it because I doubt I'll ever do anything like this in this pathetic weather again!  Wink

I just needed a break from dealing with my crazy ex girlfriend   

[Edited 2012-12-19 01:27:14]


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 43, posted (1 year 9 months 18 hours ago) and read 12049 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 32):
5X MD-11s are relatively common here in PHX. I've seen as many as 3 on the ground at the same time.

Another one for today...
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS9891
And a repeat of yesterday's B744 from Houston http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI9731

If I stand outside here in Chandler over the next hour or so, I see 2 FedEx DC/MD10s and that 744 upstream that will fly over!

Edit: Oh! They're coming in from the east! DC10 #1 just seen floating in over Gilbert and another to follow shortly.

[Edited 2012-12-19 06:39:48]


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 12033 times:

Well, it looks as if there is a PA-31 that went missing in the Matazal Mountains.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ne-search-continue-today-abrk.html

Quoting 4holer (Reply 43):

Another one for today...
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS9891
And a repeat of yesterday's B744 from Houston http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI9731

If I stand outside here in Chandler over the next hour or so, I see 2 FedEx DC/MD10s and that 744 upstream that will fly over!

Edit: Oh! They're coming in from the east! DC10 #1 just seen floating in over Gilbert and another to follow shortly.

Crap, I am stuck in a building in Tempe that is two miles from the glide path into PHX.....


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13588 posts, RR: 61
Reply 45, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 12014 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Thread starter):
Here is the list we have been working on since the last thread. I have updated it since you guys posted your replies. In regards to AS, I have included both the 9ER and 900 as part of its service to PHX.

AM EMB-145
AC Airbus A319, A320, E-190
AS Boeing 734, 73G, 738, 739, 739ER
AA MD-82, MD-83, Boeing 738, CRJ-200, EMB-145
BA Boeing 744
B6 Airbus A320
DL Airbus A319, A320, Boeing 738, 752, 753 (seasonal), 763 (seasonal), MD-90, CRJ-700, CRJ-900
F9 Airbus 319, E-190
HA Boeing 763ER
SY Boeing 73G, 738 (all seasonal)
UA Airbus A319, A320, Boeing 735, 739, 752, CRJ-200, CRJ-700
US Airbus A319, A320, A321, Boeing 752, CRJ-200, CRJ-900
WN Boeing 733, 735 (seasonal), 737, 738
WS Boeing 737, 738
ZK Beech 1900D

Let's hear it for T2 getting all the 739/739ER love at PHX!



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 11975 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 21):
Apparently the part of my post saying that I'm full of crap proved correct (nothing new there). I always notice the Coyotes 727 so maybe that distracts me from the ones from FDX. Unfortunately it sounds like they may only be around for another year or two before they're all retired...sad, but they've gotta be expensive as hell to run.

A few days back there was talk about 727s flying into PHX. A Capital Cargo ( Cappy) 727 came in last night at 12:07am from BFI. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCI969


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 47, posted (1 year 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 11967 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 44):
Crap, I am stuck in a building in Tempe that is two miles from the glide path into PHX.....

I was asleep   

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 45):
Let's hear it for T2 getting all the 739/739ER love at PHX!

   Soon T-3 when DL gets their 739s  
Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 46):
A few days back there was talk about 727s flying into PHX. A Capital Cargo ( Cappy) 727 came in last night at 12:07am from BFI. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CCI969

Heard her fly over. It was majestic indeed! haha



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 48, posted (1 year 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 11960 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
Soon T-3 when DL gets their 739s

Their fine at T2, I like T3 the way it is with all the 757s.



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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 11928 times:

Drove out to see the Atlas 744F leave today, what a great livery.

User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (1 year 9 months 11 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 48):
I like T3 the way it is with all the 757s.

It sure would be nice for the TSA to have more than one x-ray belt open when "all the 757s" depart.


User currently offlineosubuckeyes From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 50):

Horrible in the spring when they have one belt open for the red-eyes. I've experienced the worst of it when there was a 767-300 sub and a 757-300 on the same night a year or two ago. Line is so long.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 52, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 11837 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 49):
Drove out to see the Atlas 744F leave today, what a great livery.

Photo? 



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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 52):
Photo?

All on my iPhone, crappy. Sorry my friend.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 11832 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 52):
Photo?

You asked. Awful quality.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 55, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 11815 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 54):

Love it  I am not a quality-guy when it comes to rarities.

Someone should snag a video next time he's in town. Unfortunately, I'm back in Ohio for the holidays.

I wish I joined and started this thread sooner. The day before I joined Airliners, the 787 came to town, and before I began the thread, we had a upgauge to DTW on a 744, as well as a JL 77W Charter and an Atlas 744 charter (the SonAir one that usually flies out of IAH)

I had no clue any of those were flying into town   



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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (1 year 9 months 3 hours ago) and read 11814 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 55):
JL 77W Charter and an Atlas 744 charter (the SonAir one that usually flies out of IAH)

Baseball. JAL brought the Seattle Mariners to Japan and Atlas brought the Oakland A's. They train in Phoenix and opened the season in Tokyo.


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 57, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11735 times:

Atlas 744 inbound yet again. Arriving at 9:28.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GTI9731



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User currently offlinemach2is2slowAZ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11722 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 57):
Atlas 744 inbound yet again. Arriving at 9:28.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...I9731

He should fly over head since this approach typically brings them over Chandler a 8000 feet. I hope to get a shot of his 45 deg approch to base.  


User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11705 times:

Quoting mach2is2slowAZ (Reply 58):
He should fly over head since this approach typically brings them over Chandler a 8000 feet. I hope to get a shot of his 45 deg approch to base.

Yup, just watched. Would have liked to see it flying a little lower, but any 747 is a good 747!



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 60, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11662 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/L...0/history/20121220/1615Z/KPHX/KMIA
Anyone wanna explain this? Is this a codeshare for the AA flight or something?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11642 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 60):
Is this a codeshare for the AA flight or something?

Yes. It is.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 62, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11640 times:

Looks like this 5Y flight is going to be a given until about the 23rd. Its routing is SDF-IAH-PHX-PHL.


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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 63, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11623 times:

Interesting. Looks like a repo to me.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...1/history/20121220/1547Z/PHKO/KPHX


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 64, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 63):
Interesting. Looks like a repo to me.

Could be. It originated in HNL and flew in yesterday as well under the same flight number. Routing looks to be SDF-NHL-KOA with a tag back to PHX for a trip to SDF. If it flew from SDF to HNL originally, couldn't it make it from KOA to SDF if it was loaded? I'm saying this as if it flew into PHX for a fuel stop.

Any flights being delayed/diverted to PHX because of snow in the midwest ?

Looks like the Evergreen is inbound again around 5:45 tonight
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/EIA2858

[Edited 2012-12-20 14:43:57]


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 65, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11535 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 64):
Looks like the Evergreen is inbound again around 5:45 tonight

Another Evergreen (EIA9729 (B742)) filed to depart Ontario at 08:05PM for PHX.... Estimated at 09:51PM



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User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3015 posts, RR: 52
Reply 66, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11530 times:
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Copa started LAS fairly recently. I was wondering if there's any possibility of them opening up PHX?


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 11473 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 64):

Could be. It originated in HNL and flew in yesterday as well under the same flight number. Routing looks to be SDF-NHL-KOA with a tag back to PHX for a trip to SDF. If it flew from SDF to HNL originally, couldn't it make it from KOA to SDF if it was loaded? I'm saying this as if it flew into PHX for a fuel stop.

Any flights being delayed/diverted to PHX because of snow in the midwest ?

According to Boeing.com

"In the freighter mode, the MD-11CF can carry 197,400 pounds (89,540 kg) of cargo up to 5,235 statute miles (8,415 km)."

According to the great circle mapper the HNL - SDF would be 4,383mi, so in theory it could make it, but I do not know if they are using PHX as a top-off location or if that they just want an extra layer of safety for their flight. If they offload the weight of fuel, they can carry more cargo and this could be another possibility. I have ordered flowers form Hawai'i and they flew from KOA to SDF directly, but this was also in October.


User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 11446 times:

Emirates Skycargo 747-400F is en-route to PHX. Flight is GTI9731. Estimated arrival is 12:47PM. N415MC.


Allons-y!
User currently offline4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3017 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 68):
Emirates Skycargo 747-400F is en-route to PHX.

Just flew past. That is one attractive airplane!



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 70, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 11358 times:

Great seeing the EK colors here today! Here it is departing to PHL:




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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 71, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11339 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 68):
Emirates Skycargo 747-400F is en-route to PHX. Flight is GTI9731. Estimated arrival is 12:47PM. N415MC.
Quoting wn676 (Reply 70):
Great seeing the EK colors here today! Here it is departing to PHL:

Hot damn! I can't believe I am missing all the action in Phoenix this week! Stuck in Ohio till the 30th  

By the way, if you guys haven't noticed, PHXSpotters has recently tapped me as an "admin" for their Facebook page, so you'll be seeing a lot of relays from them on here, and vice versa. I hope you guys hop on over to FB and "like" their page! I know Treebeard and wn76 are active members of the group.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 72, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11226 times:

A couple extra UPS flights in today, keep an eye out.

Also United is sending a 763 from ORD today, carrying the Chicago Bears.


Post any peak cargo or charter flights guys! I wanna see them!



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User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 11110 times:

Is it possible for FLG to ever get any new service? not even on eagle?

User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 11103 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 73):
Is it possible for FLG to ever get any new service? not even on eagle?

I doubt it as there is not the load needed from PHX to FLG. Other than NAU students and then that is only when school is in session.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 75, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 11095 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 74):
I doubt it as there is not the load needed from PHX to FLG. Other than NAU students and then that is only when school is in session.

This route is going to die when the TUC-PHX-FLG high-speed train goes into effect, as the rumors continually say


Guys, I think today's the last day of peak cargo.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11071 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 75):

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 74):I doubt it as there is not the load needed from PHX to FLG. Other than NAU students and then that is only when school is in session.

This route is going to die when the TUC-PHX-FLG high-speed train goes into effect, as the rumors continually say 



In that case it should be safe for the next couple of hundred years   PHX-TUC has been discussed for the past 20 years at least, with practically zero progress. Can't recall PHX-FLG been discussed, the topographic and geographic challenges are very significant.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

Quoting BD338 (Reply 76):
In that case it should be safe for the next couple of hundred years PHX-TUC has been discussed for the past 20 years at least, with practically zero progress. Can't recall PHX-FLG been discussed, the topographic and geographic challenges are very significant.

They have been talking about the PHX-TUC train for a long time, but they need to put down a whole new set of tracks because the ones that run between Phoenix and Tucson cannot handle the train's speed. I have never heard of a plan to go to Flag with the rail as the terrain is not conducive to such a mode of transportation as well as there would be very little demand.

Inter-state travel in Arizona is not that big of a draw due to the fact that we all have vehicles. With that being said, I did fly between TUC and PHX when I was younger and love it, but it was only like a 30 minute flight.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 78, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10923 times:

Does anyone know why the top of the parking garage of T-3 is now restricted to people with badges? I tried to go spotting there, but I discovered this little change. Is this seasonal?

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 79, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 78):
Does anyone know why the top of the parking garage of T-3 is now restricted to people with badges? I tried to go spotting there, but I discovered this little change. Is this seasonal?

The top at the east or west end?



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User currently offlineDFWneedsQF From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10830 times:

Did anyone see the World MD-11. I almost was run off the road by cops trying to escort the charter buses full of what I assume were football players. Any more info?

User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10819 times:

I can tell you for a fact that every OO 200 is close to sold or over booked. Things get interesting when they shut down FLG and you have 4-5 flts canceled

Horizon tried to connect to LAX but was short lived.

I'd like to see service to the Grand Canyon again.... Gone are those days of 737s and even the dc9s from the flying banana etc


User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5430 posts, RR: 12
Reply 82, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10810 times:

Ummmmm, FYI, Tucson's code is "TUS".

bb


User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 10811 times:

Would another turboprop operator ever come into and serve PHX or even take a risk on IWA and bid for either EaS routes or open new ones/ fly under the express/connection banner of someone

User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 84, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10785 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 79):
The top at the east or west end?

Both, I tried from the west and east and they had it coned off and signs stating that you needed a badge to get up to the top.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 81):

I'd like to see service to the Grand Canyon again.... Gone are those days of 737s and even the dc9s from the flying banana etc

I thought US did have a flight up to the South Rim, but stopped it pretty quick as it was not very profitable.

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 83):
Would another turboprop operator ever come into and serve PHX or even take a risk on IWA and bid for either EaS routes or open new ones/ fly under the express/connection banner of someone

If there is a demand for the flight then someone would/will fill the spot. I wounder if Great Lakes would take that flight, but I think that they would need womething bigger than 1900's

Quoting SANFan (Reply 82):
Ummmmm, FYI, Tucson's code is "TUS".

Thanks, I forgot the proper coding.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 10777 times:

WOA MD-11 is from LAN. Michigan State charter.

User currently offlineCactus742 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

Just saw on the news that there was a plane on fire at Sky Harbor. Looked like a US A319. That Could be what's causing the problems around the airport. Anyone have any details?


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10723 times:

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 86):
Just saw on the news that there was a plane on fire at Sky Harbor. Looked like a US A319. That Could be what's causing the problems around the airport. Anyone have any details?

It was an A320. First time I've ever seen those foam nozzles actually put to use.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10733 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 78):

Does anyone know why the top of the parking garage of T-3 is now restricted to people with badges? I tried to go spotting there, but I discovered this little change. Is this seasonal?

The parking garage is getting "rewired". They are starting up on levels five and six and working their way down. It was restricted to people with badges because the roof top parking on level 5 is for terminal employees only.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 89, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10674 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 88):
The parking garage is getting "rewired". They are starting up on levels five and six and working their way down. It was restricted to people with badges because the roof top parking on level 5 is for terminal employees only.

OK, thanks. I was wondering if it was due to the season and wanting to give employees a place to park closer to the terminal. Do you know if they will open up the upper decks once they are done rewiring the garage?


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 90, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10679 times:

Quoting Cactus742 (Reply 86):
Just saw on the news that there was a plane on fire at Sky Harbor. Looked like a US A319. That Could be what's causing the problems around the airport. Anyone have any details?
Quoting wn676 (Reply 87):
It was an A320. First time I've ever seen those foam nozzles actually put to use.

From AZcentral http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...ix-sky-harbor-plane-fire-abrk.html

"The tail of a U.S. Airways plane at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport caught on fire Monday evening, forcing the evacuation of its crew, officials said.

Fire officials were dispatched to Terminal 4 to investigate a possible fuel leak in the aircraft and came upon a small fire in the back of the plane, which fire crews put out, according to Phoenix Fire spokesman Jonathan Jacobs. Flight 504 was scheduled to take off from Phoenix for Vancouver.

Passengers were reportedly boarding when the fire ignited, but US Airways spokeswoman Michelle Mohr later said there were no passengers on the plane. The two pilots and three crew members were evacuated as a precaution, Mohr said.

Jacobs said no one was injured, and that the fire apparently began in the auxiliary power unit of the craft. Mohr described it as a small motor under the plane’s tail that supplies additional power.

The passengers were scheduled to be re-routed to another flight about two hours later, US Airways said."

Would this of been an APU fire?


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 91, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Merry Christmas all   
I'll be back in the valley on the 30th.

Quoting DFWneedsQF (Reply 80):
Did anyone see the World MD-11. I almost was run off the road by cops trying to escort the charter buses full of what I assume were football players. Any more info?
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 78):
Does anyone know why the top of the parking garage of T-3 is now restricted to people with badges? I tried to go spotting there, but I discovered this little change. Is this seasonal?
Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 81):
I can tell you for a fact that every OO 200 is close to sold or over booked. Things get interesting when they shut down FLG and you have 4-5 flts canceled
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 88):
The parking garage is getting "rewired". They are starting up on levels five and six and working their way down. It was restricted to people with badges because the roof top parking on level 5 is for terminal employees only.

When was this? I went to the top of 3 last week and had no issues.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 90):
Would this of been an APU fire?

If its the back or tail of the plane, that's my guess. I'll run a search, but does anyone have a tail number?



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 92, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10612 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 91):
If its the back or tail of the plane, that's my guess. I'll run a search, but does anyone have a tail number?

It was indeed a tailpipe fire due to a fuel leak. N627AW.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 91):
When was this? I went to the top of 3 last week and had no issues.

As of 12/21/12 when I was there.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10384 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 89):
OK, thanks. I was wondering if it was due to the season and wanting to give employees a place to park closer to the terminal. Do you know if they will open up the upper decks once they are done rewiring the garage?

Yeah, the levels upper levels will reopen. The upper levels are usually for employees. All sorts of employees us the T3 garage, even some US employees park there.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 95, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10373 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 94):
Yeah, the levels upper levels will reopen. The upper levels are usually for employees. All sorts of employees us the T3 garage, even some US employees park there.

Whatever happened to the Mojave Employee Parking lot and one other lot I cannot remember it's name.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10362 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 95):
Whatever happened to the Mojave Employee Parking lot and one other lot I cannot remember it's name.

Tonto East? We got moved out of there in summer '09 when the city closed the lot and sent to South Mojave. Then the city closed that lot in summer '11 and we got split between East Economy and T2 Upper.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 97, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10309 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 96):
Then the city closed that lot in summer '11 and we got split between East Economy

I heard someone on the Employee...err East Economy Shuttle saying employees are getting moved once the SkyTrain is running.


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 98, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10241 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 97):
I heard someone on the Employee...err East Economy Shuttle saying employees are getting moved once the SkyTrain is running.

Yep, they built a new surface lot out at 44th/Washington. They've been soliciting for an initial group to move out there. Eventually I've heard they'll build a multi-story garage and move all employees out there over the next couple years.

Word around here is that the train will open on January 8th...



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 99, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10201 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 96):
Tonto East? We got moved out of there in summer '09 when the city closed the lot and sent to South Mojave. Then the city closed that lot in summer '11 and we got split between East Economy and T2 Upper.

What are they using these lots for now? Are they sitting bare and vacant at the moment?

Why can't they do what DEN is doing: Airside Parking and Landside parking.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 97):

Wouldn't surprise me

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 99):

I don't know. They probably are sitting bare and vacant. I know the old rental car lots off 24th street and FedEx and ups are storing trailers over there



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10091 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 99):
What are they using these lots for now? Are they sitting bare and vacant at the moment?

Yep, bare and vacant for the most part. Tonto East got resurfaced and re-striped about a year ago. Don't know why they would spend all that money after closing it. I noticed there seemed to be some bus driver training going on in Mojave a few days ago as well.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 102, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

I got booted once from the lot at the end of 26 near 24th street by the fuzz while I was spotting. Its strange because I typically saw spotters there too.


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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 103, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10111 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 102):

I got booted once from the lot at the end of 26 near 24th street by the fuzz while I was spotting. Its strange because I typically saw spotters there too.

Yeah they seem to not like people over in that spot anymore. It's good for a quick shot if you know specifically what you want to get.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 104, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10081 times:

Some of you may have noticed how cold it was this morning...

PHX De-ice

 



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 105, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10045 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 104):
Some of you may have noticed how cold it was this morning...

Well it is 27 and a winter storm warning..........
Oh wait- I'm in Cincinnati still     



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9981 times:

OK, I have lived in Phoenix for a LONG time and have been here when it snowed, but I would of never thought that PHX would of had De-icing equipment.

User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9957 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 106):
OK, I have lived in Phoenix for a LONG time and have been here when it snowed, but I would of never thought that PHX would of had De-icing equipment.

They've always had deicing equipment...it's called sunshine!   

Both WN and US have trucks, I'm not sure about the others though. They were out doing frost removal again this morning.

[Edited 2012-12-29 12:23:10]


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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 9926 times:

Delta 330-300 on the ground now, came in from LAX earlier today after taking some Badgers fans from MSN for the Rose Bowl. United 772 also coming in tonight from SFO with ASU.

User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9878 times:

A Lancair IV-P with three people aboard crashed near San Diego this morning killing all on board. The plane departed Montgomery Field (KMYF) and was enroute to Phoenix Deer Valley Airport (KDVT). The FAA has withheld the aircraft registration until next of kin are notified.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/...lane-crash-reported-near-lakeside/


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9867 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 107):
They've always had deicing equipment...it's called sunshine!

That is what I though did our De-icing


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 111, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9826 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 104):
Some of you may have noticed how cold it was this morning...

Well it is 27 and a winter storm warning yesterday lol..........
Oh wait

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 108):

Will they be there tomorrow? I come in around 11am on the DL flight from MSP.

Anyone at the airport, be sure to spot me  



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User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9703 times:

The three people killed in the crash of a Lancair IV-P just outside San Diego have been identified as 65 year old William Stern, Jr. (President of Stern Produce), his wife Jennifer (53) and daughter Katelyn (19).

The aircraft N5M was built in 2003 and it appears that Mr. Stern bought the homebuilt craft in July 2011.

http://www.10news.com/news/arizona-f...orth-of-santee-identified-12302012


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5638 posts, RR: 6
Reply 113, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 110):

That is what I though did our De-icing

That's what Mesa uses. I remember one morning we were deicing planes on the mainline side until almost 9AM... let's just say Express had a bad day.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 114, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 113):
That's what Mesa uses. I remember one morning we were deicing planes on the mainline side until almost 9AM... let's just say Express had a bad day.

You know what? Who is actually doing the de-icing? is there a special crew? Or is it just the ground guys? Because at airports like PHX I wouldn't expect anyone to have a specialized de-icing crew that ONLY does de-icing.

This morning at CVG we waited for god knows how long for a crew to get into the trucks and then waited much longer than usual for them to de-ice the CRJ.



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 9671 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 114):
You know what? Who is actually doing the de-icing? is there a special crew? Or is it just the ground guys? Because at airports like PHX I wouldn't expect anyone to have a specialized de-icing crew that ONLY does de-icing.

Serviceair was doing the US Airways aircraft using US Air equipment. WN has one of their own de-icing trucks that they were using.



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User currently offlineBoston From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

Does anyone know how much it's costing DL per day to park that A330 at PHX? In MT where I used to work airport ops, it didn't cost much to park an airplane, but I don't know how much it costs a heavy aircraft at a major airport like PHX.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 117, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 9498 times:

OK who is doing the charters for the Fiesta Bowl? If you guys got any info, post it here or on the PHX Spotters page! I wanna do some spotting finally    I missed all of the good stuff while in Ohio


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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 118, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

I know Oregon came in on a United 738

K- State came in on a AA 757
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/coll...states-top-worry-oregons-pace.html

I still think the best was Michigan State and the MD-11 that stayed here the whole time.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 119, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 9388 times:

Happy New Year to you guys!

It's been a fun year and I'm really happy to see the contributions to this thread. I have a feeling that by the end of this month we'll be in our 5th thread!

It's a big year for me personally....a big month, actually. I learn on the 29th if my transfer to Japan is finalized or not. If indeed I am going to transfer, my departure from Phoenix will be on March 12, and etween the 29th of this month and March 12, I will be busier than hell trying to sell my stuff here and bringing stuff back to my parents' house in Ohio....so it's going to be busy for me, and I hope you guys step up and fill in for me while I am gone. One of the guys over at PHX Spotters say that he really enjoys the enthusiasm I put into this thread, and I hope you guys contribute more as my contributions begin to fade a bit...but only a bit! I'll definitely still be around, as I said!

While in Japan, I will of course be continuing the thread, as I enjoy staying on top of goings-on out here. I'll also be sharing some photos and what-not from Japan  

If you guys are interested in adding my personal facebook please feel free to drop me a P.M. and I'll send you the link....or if you already know me from the PHX Spotters FB page go ahead and add me. I have albums full of aviation photos (that aren't necessarily A.net worthy   )

Here's to 2013   

-PHX787



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User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9362 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8606

Is this another Rose bowl(is that what its called?) charter?


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9364 times:

Silly me looks like there is 2 of them
Here is the second flight

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8608


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9354 times:

Ok number 3 just took off...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA8610

How many more are there?


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 9356 times:

Kansas State fan charters. 4 of them, for the Fiesta Bowl.

User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9345 times:

I have a question about the WN flights. I do not remember WN being that big of a charter provider. Is this a change that has just recently occurred?

I would like to see what people biggest predictions for PHX for 2013.....

I predict that the US/AA merger do not happen due to labor issues. Parker becomes prosona non grada at all events in Tempe and Phoenix. (Hey, one can hope)

HA will start the transition to the A330 from PHX when they change their gate. Hopefully before December of 2013 so that I will be taking that while vacationing on the Big Island for Christmas

[Edited 2013-01-01 06:17:43]

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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9315 times:

WN does a fair amount of charter flying mostly for fans during the bowl season. And for some teams during the regular season. We also do alot of military flying all year round. It's a department that WN is really starting develop, later this year there is hope the -800 is going to be marketed for charter customers.

[Edited 2013-01-01 08:12:20]

User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 125):
WN does a fair amount of charter flying mostly for fans during the bowl season. And for some teams during the regular season. We also do alot of military flying all year round. It's a department that WN is really starting develop, later this year there is hope the -800 is going to be marketed for charter customers.

Thank you for the information. I was under the idea that the business plan that WN uses has their planes at optimal usage most of the time and would not allow for much charter work. Do they use any available plane or do they try to use planes that could be flexible. I noticed all the planes coming in from Kansas were 700's and I also could imagine that WN really did not mind to much that the panes were coming into PHX as they could rotate them into the cycles really easily.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9257 times:

We usually deploy charters from one of our mx bases, there is enough slack in the fleet to cover all this flying given the time of year. Both -300s and -700s are used as charters, no - 500s or -800s (yet). 137 seats are marketed because not all -700s have been converted to the new 143 seat configuration. Also, keep in mind flightaware does not always show the difference between the -300 and -700 for whatever reason. Often times they are listed as -300 but is actually operated by a -700. It's a glitch with the website.

User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9252 times:

Wouldnt it of been cheaper for them just to get one/two large planes instead of 4 -700s?

User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9240 times:

More WN flights/charters came in today from EUG on top of the few that came in 2 days ago. Also, looks like G4 sent a flight to PHX rather than to IWA.

User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 130, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9225 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 127):
We usually deploy charters from one of our mx bases, there is enough slack in the fleet to cover all this flying given the time of year. Both -300s and -700s are used as charters, no - 500s or -800s (yet). 137 seats are marketed because not all -700s have been converted to the new 143 seat configuration. Also, keep in mind flightaware does not always show the difference between the -300 and -700 for whatever reason. Often times they are listed as -300 but is actually operated by a -700. It's a glitch with the website.

Thank you for the information. That is partially why I was wondering if they chose WN due to their presence in PHX. Can they still run charters during the summer months with the fleet is maxed out?


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 9186 times:

Quoting Boston (Reply 116):

I don't know extract rates but it would be much cheaper then parking in LAX. Plus there are a lot of open spaces in PHX vs LAX



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 132, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 9135 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 130):
Can they still run charters during the summer months with the fleet is maxed out?

They often run troop charters during the summer. It's not like every plane is running a full schedule, every day, in the summer.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 128):
Wouldnt it of been cheaper for them just to get one/two large planes instead of 4 -700s?

Not necessarily. It's likely that WN came back with better per person rates than a carrier that could put everyone on a 777 or 767 or something big. Plus the company arranging the charter has to pay for the full plane, not just the seats used.

Just as an aside, these travel packages are not cheap. One package for Oregon State's trip to San Antonio cost $1200+ per person just for PDX-SAT (nonstop) charter airfare. Hotel etc all rolled in put the cost up around $2000 (for a 5 day stay, IIRC). A co-worker who is a diehard Beavs fan just cashed in AS miles and Hilton points and saved a hefty amount of money.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 133, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

Kindof an odd question, but what are the odds of FX sending a 77F into PHX instead of their MD10s and MD11s?


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 134, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8953 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 133):

Kindof an odd question, but what are the odds of FX sending a 77F into PHX instead of their MD10s and MD11s?

Low. I'm pretty sure most of them fly to Asia. They wouldn't see enough efficiency gains flying PHX-MEM to warrant a 77F. Their original order was only around 30 + 10 options or something. There isn't a huge difference in cargo capacity 77F vs MD11, so utilizing an aircraft intended for long-haul ops on a medium-haul route would be a waste.

I'm sure the FDX guys around here have more info, but I'd be willing to guess that if one does fly to PHX, it would be for a very specific reason and likely be a one-off.


User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 135, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 133):
Kindof an odd question, but what are the odds of FX sending a 77F into PHX instead of their MD10s and MD11s?

Never going to happen.


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8892 times:

Ok so im asking this because its been bothering me lately,In all the threads about a US/AA merger they are saying that PHX is going to be very much downsized or cut in half,but also a merger hasnt been announced so it could just be rumers and such.But i dont entirely understand why a merged AA would want to downsize PHX just becuse of a "hub" operation in LAX.but AA's operations in LAX is like nothing, 159 flights. So to sum it all up can we really see cuts as big as what people are saying flight wise if a merger is to happen.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 137, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 136):
Ok so im asking this because its been bothering me lately,In all the threads about a US/AA merger they are saying that PHX is going to be very much downsized or cut in half,but also a merger hasnt been announced so it could just be rumers and such.But i dont entirely understand why a merged AA would want to downsize PHX just becuse of a "hub" operation in LAX.but AA's operations in LAX is like nothing, 159 flights. So to sum it all up can we really see cuts as big as what people are saying flight wise if a merger is to happen.

Most of the "PHX must die!!" nonsense is coming from idiots who never lived here or even been to PHX.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 138, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8861 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 137):
Most of the "PHX must die!!" nonsense is coming from idiots who never lived here or even been to PHX.

People immediately think PHX is nothing but dust storms. Then they see photos I post and say "wow this place is huge!"

PHX is never going to be de-hubbed. The region is growing again, O&D is massive (all the time I hear of overbooked flights) and it's just a good facility. What the Phoenix Airport Board needs to do is upgrade the facilities for US and make sure that these facilities stay top of the line. I think improving the international gates at B would be a step- for example, providing a second jetway at B25 for 747 flights.

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 136):
Ok so im asking this because its been bothering me lately,In all the threads about a US/AA merger they are saying that PHX is going to be very much downsized or cut in half,but also a merger hasnt been announced so it could just be rumers and such.But i dont entirely understand why a merged AA would want to downsize PHX just becuse of a "hub" operation in LAX.but AA's operations in LAX is like nothing, 159 flights. So to sum it all up can we really see cuts as big as what people are saying flight wise if a merger is to happen.

It's just nonsense to me. If-and I strongly say IF - PHX is de-hubbed, so many airlines will come in to fill the void. AM, DL, F9, B6, UA, WN especially, AC and HA will beef up their service.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 139, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8855 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 138):
Then they see photos I post and say "wow this place is huge!"

When I first moved to PHX in 2002, I was so amazed on how huge that place is. It takes an hour and 15 minutes to get from IWA to Peoria! That's how big the Metro area is.

And Sky Harbor is a very beautiful airport. I miss it dearly!



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 138):

It's just nonsense to me. If-and I strongly say IF - PHX is de-hubbed, so many airlines will come in to fill the void. AM, DL, F9, B6, UA, WN especially, AC and HA will beef up their service.

Agree

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 138):
People immediately think PHX is nothing but dust storms. Then they see photos I post and say "wow this place is huge!"

I was on top of T-4 parking garage waiting for my wife to come back from a trip two years ago and a guy from New York game up to look. We started to talk and he wanted to know where the desert was and how far would it take to get there. I told him he was in a desert and he told me I was wrong. I simply asked him what does he mean by a desert and he told me the type in Egypt with all of the sand. I laughed and said that if he wanted to travel to Yuma he could see some sand dunes, but this was the Sonoran Desert and this is what it looked like.

People that have never been to Phoenix or Arizona have no idea of the size of this city. With the population as high as it is and most flights leaving full, if they do cut some capacity it will be taken up by other airlines.


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 140):
With the population as high as it is and most flights leaving full, if they do cut some capacity it will be taken up by other airlines.

Exactly,All these people in the merger threads are saying is that PHX will be De-Hubbed. But im not entirely sure why a merged AA would want to back out of 40 million yearly passengers


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8806 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 141):
Exactly,All these people in the merger threads are saying is that PHX will be De-Hubbed. But im not entirely sure why a merged AA would want to back out of 40 million yearly passengers

Because like everything from the East, we are nothing more than hayseeds. I could see DL, WN, HA and UA increasing at any loss of traffic due to a merger. But what to I know.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 143, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8742 times:

First of all, PHX won't be de-hubbed like LAS after the US-HP merger, so any grumblings from the media or a.netters that PHX will be de-hubbed is just wrong. However, it will be downsized IF a merger happens, although I find it highly unlikely that it will receive regulatory approval if things even get that far.

This is where some of you will start to hate me, but I don't care..

PHX is a pretty weak hub. There, I said it. Here's why:


What does PHL and CLT have that PHX doesn't?
- Widebodies
- Actual international service (sorry, Mexico and Canada don't count)
- Growth and expansion of service to new markets

What does PHX have that PHL and CLT don't?
- Competition
- Some cactus


Why do widebodies matter? Widebodies are flagships. Flagships go to places the company cares about. Yeah, yeah...the pilot contracts (or lack thereof) complicate things, but if US wanted widebodies and TATL/TPAC flights from PHX, they would have made it happen by now. The notion that US has made anything more than a half-assed attempt at making any of this happen is a pipe dream.

Why does competition matter? US has operated from PHL and CLT for decades with almost no competition. Last I heard, they account for 85% of the traffic at CLT. Only SEVEN other carriers even serve CLT, three of which are *A partners. PHX has 15 other carriers, and direct competition with a LCC that maintains intense brand loyalty in a leisure market makes it less desirable and far less lucrative.

Even if an AA/US merger were to happen -- which I think is unlikely -- PHX would continue to be the least important hub. DFW, JFK, LAX, MIA, and ORD are markets which will always outperform PHX and already profitably serve a large number of domestic and international destinations. PHL and CLT aren't on-par with with the others, but their status as fortress hubs makes them very valuable.

If a merger happens, it won't be good for PHX. It won't be de-hubbed, but service will be cut and PHX will continue to be the redheaded stepchild.


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8705 times:

I could the fact that PHX is not a wide body hub like CLT and PHL come from the fact that the division of US east and west?

I agree that for a true hub, PHX is a weaker one, but also the presence of US in anything further west is weak to non-existent. The :757 to Hawai'i is the farthest west that I believe US fly with its own metal. Going east it would not make sense to move a flight from CLT or PHL to PHX and have people backtrack all the out here to get a European flight.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 143):
What does PHX have that PHL and CLT don't?
- Competition
- Some cactus

I think you could also say, a lot more sunshine....

K-State Fans were going home this morning on a Miami Air plane.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BSK621

Saw it while spotting this morning


User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 145, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 144):
I could the fact that PHX is not a wide body hub like CLT and PHL come from the fact that the division of US east and west?

No. If US wanted to they could make it happen, even with the flight crews split. It wouldn't be the most optimal in terms of crew scheduling, but it's not holding them back from anything.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 144):
Going east it would not make sense to move a flight from CLT or PHL to PHX and have people backtrack all the out here to get a European flight.

Of course not, a TATL flight from PHX would supplement a route already flown from PHL or CLT and would primarily handle west coast/intermountain west connecting traffic.



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 146, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8661 times:

Oh, almost forgot. G4 was operating a fan charter for Oregon today. The first plane (N864GA) broke and a new one (N417NV) had to be ferried in from LAS. Something you definitely don't see at Sky Harbor that often:

http://i50.tinypic.com/5uofbt.jpg



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 146):

Great pictures, I was surpised to see that US was handling them...



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User currently offlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 4
Reply 148, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 147):
Great pictures, I was surpised to see that US was handling them...

I was too. Thought Servisair would have picked that up. Or that anti ground handling DL...  

[Edited 2013-01-04 14:04:52]


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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1204 posts, RR: 2
Reply 149, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 8611 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 144):
I could the fact that PHX is not a wide body hub like CLT and PHL come from the fact that the division of US east and west?

I agree that for a true hub, PHX is a weaker one, but also the presence of US in anything further west is weak to non-existent. The :757 to Hawai'i is the farthest west that I believe US fly with its own metal. Going east it would not make sense to move a flight from CLT or PHL to PHX and have people backtrack all the out here to get a European flight.

It's a division of east and west because they make it a division. Which is exactly why an AA merger probably won't happen. US has been in complete disarray since 2006, but if there were a desire for US to make PHX a *real* hub and if there were money to be made, pilot contracts and annoying technicalities would hardly stop them.

Fact is that US makes more money on every int'l route from PHL and CLT than they could make on routes serving PHX. The increased cost for a longer stage to/from a primarily leisure market makes it less profitable for them from the start. Only 16 aircraft in the US fleet are efficiently capable of PHX-Europe or Asia, of which two would be required to operate a single daily route (anything less than daily would fail).

Post-merger US had a strong foundation of customers from the former America West days and they had opportunities to capitalize on it. Had they attempted PHX-LHR/LGW or FRA in 2006 or 2007, it would have had a more legitimate chance of success than it does now. There were opportunities here for them, but they did what they do best and squandered them.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 144):
I think you could also say, a lot more sunshine....

That too! But LAS gets plenty of sunshine and it didn't save them from decimation at the hands of US.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 145):
No. If US wanted to they could make it happen, even with the flight crews split. It wouldn't be the most optimal in terms of crew scheduling, but it's not holding them back from anything.

My point exactly. If they wanted to, they would have. They've failed to make any concerted effort at making something happen, which tells me they just aren't interested.

Quoting wn676 (Reply 146):
Oh, almost forgot. G4 was operating a fan charter for Oregon today. The first plane (N864GA) broke and a new one (N417NV) had to be ferried in from LAS. Something you definitely don't see at Sky Harbor that often:

Looks like IWA. Perhaps PHX's future? (kidding). I've seen them at PHX a few times, but it is rare -- a couple times on charters from Mexico and a while back when IWA had fuel issues. Great photo though...thanks for sharing!


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 150, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8556 times:

Who handled the K-State 737-800 from Miami Air this morning? I know it came from the north side, but I was shooting at 40th St area and just saw it coming down T taxiway.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 149):
Fact is that US makes more money on every int'l route from PHL and CLT than they could make on routes serving PHX. The increased cost for a longer stage to/from a primarily leisure market makes it less profitable for them from the start. Only 16 aircraft in the US fleet are efficiently capable of PHX-Europe or Asia, of which two would be required to operate a single daily route (anything less than daily would fail).

That is what I was trying to get at, albeit a lot less eloquent than you. The cost was/is too high to have PHX as a gateway to Europe. Also LH pulled out when it was just BA and their selves due to lack of desire for the product. If you already have the infrastructure established in the east where it is more flexible then why not use those resources to their fullest.

Also while it is nice to have direct flight to all locations, sometimes it is not feasible or desirable.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 149):
That too! But LAS gets plenty of sunshine and it didn't save them from decimation at the hands of US.

I could be wrong, but I thought that US pulled back at LAS because of WN's market share and the fact that they were not making as much as they could using the planes of different routes. It also dose not help that there are a lot of LLC's flying from the Phoenix area to LAS.


User currently offlineallegiantflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 8560 times:

That sweedish guy in the other thread is a total noob

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 152, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 8568 times:

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 151):
That sweedish guy in the other thread is a total noob

Yeah really he was pissing me off. Of course it's bias but wouldn't you expect us to know about our own airport better?
BTW- funniest thing I've read all week            

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 150):
Also while it is nice to have direct flight to all locations, sometimes it is not feasible or desirable.

Well define 'desirable."

Not only am I trying to get a flight from here to NRT, which has quite a large amount of support from most of my contacts near and far, I'm trying to get someone to start service from here to CVG so I don't have to be a slave to DL's one-hopper system anymore   

Business leaders in CVG were PISSED when they cut this route. Some of the bigger banks are trying to buy PHX service with US or WN to CVG....but I don't think they're doing enough.



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 153, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8509 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 152):
Not only am I trying to get a flight from here to NRT, which has quite a large amount of support from most of my contacts near and far

No offense, but just because your friends support the route, does not mean the route will be profitable. Unless you happen to have 300 friends who need to fly daily between the two cities, with 100 or so of them buying full fare business/first seats.  
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 150):
It also dose not help that there are a lot of LLC's flying from the Phoenix area to LAS.

There are two airlines that fly PHX-LAS, and Allegiant that flies from Mesa. I wouldn't exactly call it "a lot." US still has a pretty robust schedule between the two places.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 154, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks ago) and read 8505 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 153):

No offense, but just because your friends support the route, does not mean the route will be profitable.

I hate that word- profitable    That word always comes at the expense of customer service.....

Quoting chrisair (Reply 153):
Unless you happen to have 300 friends who need to fly daily between the two cities, with 100 or so of them buying full fare business/first seats.

Well the 787 in comparison between JL and NH:
NH: 42 — 180 total 222 (The International models)
46 — 112 total 158

JL: 42 — 144 total 186 (only model they have)


I think NH could fill the second international model with no issues. JL shouldn't have an issue either.


Here's the thing a lot of reports I've read have said..... people want more options between Asia and the US other than LAX, SFO, and SEA.

SAN is now an option, same with SJC. DEN soon, so why not PHX?



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 155, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8473 times:

I still think that the best option for PHX is to be the termination point of a intermediate flight from NRT like a NRT-LAX-PHX or NRT-SAN-PHX. Use this as a test market for expansion. If it proves to be a good route move to a direct NRT-PHX.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 152):
Well define 'desirable."

Profitable, Money is king

Quoting allegiantflyer (Reply 151):
That sweedish guy in the other thread is a total noob

The problem with PHX is people think it is still a small city. We are the 8th largest city in the nation with a population booming. We have companies coming to Phoenix metro area all of the time. As a person that has lived here for 40 years, I have seen the ebbs and flows in the size of Phoenix. While I can see that there is more market demand here from people, how much that can translate into service is unknown.

The really funny thing is when you look at the population difference between Las Vegas (1.6 million) and Phoenix (4.7 million) and the growth over the last 10 years LAS 36.9% and PHX 33%. When discussing thing with people they cannot give a good explanation on why hub exist at places that they always have. Once it is established they very rarely go away. Cleveland and Philly are the same distance apart as PHX and LAX, but they would never think that these are redundant hubs.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8462 times:

In defense of the Sweedish noob, his comments pertained to the survival of the PHX hub in a combined AA/US network. This is a very different situation than saying the city of PHX cannot support a hub (which we all know it can, including Mark).

The problem with the PHX hub in a combined AA/US network is that it is wedged between LAX and DFW. The question to ask yourself is what connecting traffic flows can only be served by the PHX hub. Then ask yourself whether these few connecting traffic flows that can only be handled by PHX warrant the existence of the hub. Keep in mind hubs are costly and profitability means more than whether the combined carrier can fly a passenger from a select few points around the southwest (ie. ELP-SLC or TUS-GJT).


User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 157, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8411 times:

Quoting EricR (Reply 156):
The problem with the PHX hub in a combined AA/US network is that it is wedged between LAX and DFW. The question to ask yourself is what connecting traffic flows can only be served by the PHX hub. Then ask yourself whether these few connecting traffic flows that can only be handled by PHX warrant the existence of the hub. Keep in mind hubs are costly and profitability means more than whether the combined carrier can fly a passenger from a select few points around the southwest (ie. ELP-SLC or TUS-GJT).

That is the problem is that, in a US/AA combined market, PHX is redundant and in the middle of their strongholds of LAX and DFW. I also look at it this way, if US/AA dose reduce its service from PHX, WN, DL and UA will take up the slack. I think that the biggest winner would be WN.



Hubs
DL- SLC
UA - SFO, LAX, IAH (This would put PHX in the same situation as with AA/US)


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 158, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 157):
That is the problem is that, in a US/AA combined market, PHX is redundant and in the middle of their strongholds of LAX and DFW. I also look at it this way, if US/AA dose reduce its service from PHX, WN, DL and UA will take up the slack. I think that the biggest winner would be WN.
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 157):
Hubs
DL- SLC
UA - SFO, LAX, IAH (This would put PHX in the same situation as with AA/US)

Wait a second here:

UA Has a 'hub' in LAX and SFO but makes it work.

LAX is not a fortress hub or any sort of stronghold for AA.

I don't see a problem.



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User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 159, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Quoting wn676 (Reply 148):
Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 147):
Great pictures, I was surpised to see that US was handling them...

I was too. Thought Servisair would have picked that up. Or that anti ground handling DL...  

haha, I recall saying something on instagram about that hmm.....   

Speaking of servisair, the past couple nights HA has been parked on gate 26 on T3 north and after the plane lands it will sit 10 to 15 minutes waiting for a crew to park it.... that is unacceptable

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 149):
Looks like IWA. Perhaps PHX's future? (kidding).

You never know... Maybe they will do a split operation like what G4 had in SFB and MCO....

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 152):
I'm trying to get someone to start service from here to CVG so I don't have to be a slave to DL's one-hopper system anymore  

The route will be back for spring training.. I think a daily DCI flight would work like the daily 9E flight to MEM but I just throw bags what do I know.



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User currently offlineaztrainer From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 580 posts, RR: 1
Reply 160, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 158):
Wait a second here:

UA Has a 'hub' in LAX and SFO but makes it work.

LAX is not a fortress hub or any sort of stronghold for AA.

I don't see a problem.

Yes, but US/AA would need and want to keep PHX at the level it is now. There would have to be come redundancy in the AA and US flights in PHX. To have major presence/hubs in LAX, PHX and DFW I think is too much.

This being said, I still have my doubts that there will even be a merger between US and AA. The longer the time in bankruptcy court and showing the creditors and the courts that they can turn a profit without a US presence.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 161, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 152):
Of course it's bias but wouldn't you expect us to know about our own airport better?

No, I wouldn't. There are a lot of people here who do a lot of data analysis, planning, and other work for airlines or aviation consultants. At your urging in the JAL thread, I've read through this thread and it is rife with speculation based on less important numbers (such as total airport throughput and metro population) and anecdotal evidence such as what your "contacts" say while ignoring fares, yields, actual market demand, etc. The fact that people here have a specific interest in PHX doesn't mean they know better than people who have a specific knowledge of the industry.

Quoting EricR (Reply 156):

In defense of the Sweedish noob, his comments pertained to the survival of the PHX hub in a combined AA/US network. This is a very different situation than saying the city of PHX cannot support a hub (which we all know it can, including Mark).

In further defense, he is one of the more knowledgeable members on a.net and has demonstrated considerable knowledge of international markets as well as American Airlines. I don't think Mark is suggesting PHX can't support a hub, he may instead acknowledge that it is currently supporting TWO hubs (let's not forget WN), and a combined AA/US may not fight it out with WN for market share if they can handle volume through DFW and LAX while just keeping enough service to maintain the high-yield traffic at PHX.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 155):
The problem with PHX is people think it is still a small city. We are the 8th largest city in the nation with a population booming. We have companies coming to Phoenix metro area all of the time. As a person that has lived here for 40 years, I have seen the ebbs and flows in the size of Phoenix. While I can see that there is more market demand here from people, how much that can translate into service is unknown.

I don't think anybody thinks Phoenix is a small city, but if you're going to site Phoenix based on its metro population of 4.7 million people, you should at least acknowledge that it is the 14th largest metro area (barely behind Seattle-Tacoma) as opposed to the 8th largest city. There is plenty of market at Phoenix, but it has a distinct domestic tilt and hasn't had the greatest international yields.

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 155):
Cleveland and Philly are the same distance apart as PHX and LAX, but they would never think that these are redundant hubs.

Many people do think that CLE is a redundant hub to ORD and EWR (better comps since they are hubs for the same airline), but part of the difference is that the population in the eastern portion of the country is far more dense. There isn't nearly as much population base between PHX and DFW as there is between CLE and EWR, for example. Regardless, I think a lot of people would concede that PHX will maintain a hub the size of CLE (or likely larger) in a combined AA/US, so I'm not sure that comp demonstrates much of a point.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 158):
Wait a second here:

UA Has a 'hub' in LAX and SFO but makes it work.

LAX is not a fortress hub or any sort of stronghold for AA.

I don't see a problem.

PHX is no SFO or LAX, even you have to admit that. Yields and O&D traffic are clearly higher out of both metro areas, and that's especially true when it comes to international demand. PHX would likely maintain a place in a combined network, but not the same prominence.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 162, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8322 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 159):
Speaking of servisair, the past couple nights HA has been parked on gate 26 on T3 north and after the plane lands it will sit 10 to 15 minutes waiting for a crew to park it.... that is unacceptable

So HA is already at 3N?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 163, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 155):
We are the 8th largest city in the nation with a population booming.

Sixth, right behind Philly. http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...s-6-sixth-largest-city-census.html