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Iraqi Airways Takes Delivery Of One 777-200LR  
User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3386 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26851 times:

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot....-aqz-b777-29mlr-iraqi-airways.html

Seems like Iraqi Airways has taken delivery for the white 777-200LR originally destined for Air Austral

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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26810 times:
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Indeed!

YI-AQZ 777-29M(LR) c/n 40993. Delivered on 5/12.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26787 times:

Interesting, glad to finally see it delivered. Was really sad seeing it sit there all this time.


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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 26607 times:

What are they going to fly it???

Do they really need this kind of plane?? IMO I don´t think so....


User currently offlineraffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 25851 times:

I don't think they need this plane unless it is connected to a post made earlier last week about possible resumption of Iraq- America flights? Their longest routes at the moment are to Malaysia and India if I'm not mistaken?


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User currently offlineordwaw From United States of America, joined May 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25800 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 1):
possible resumption of Iraq- America flights?

BGW-IAD this could be interesting. However, I think this would require new government level agreements to be signed.

On the other hand, gas is cheap in Iraq so that they may not care if they fly inefficiently and utilize the 77L on routes that could be served by smaller planes.


User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25712 times:

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 5):
On the other hand, gas is cheap in Iraq so that they may not care if they fly inefficiently and utilize the 77L on routes that could be served by smaller planes.

That´s not a reason to hire an inefficient plane for the mission, the management should only care about the correct plane for mission, if they can do money with the B77L ad is not correct i´m sure they can do more with the correct plane.

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
possible resumption of Iraq- America flights?

For that the plane could make sense, but for India and Malaysia they can do much better with a much cheaper to operate B767.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25630 times:

BGW-IAD is only 5600 nm. Most WBs can easily do that mission more efficently, including the B-777-200ER. Maybe they need the extra payoad capability of the B-77L over the B-77E?

User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25614 times:

Quoting ordwaw (Reply 5):
On the other hand, gas is cheap in Iraq so that they may not care if they fly inefficiently and utilize the 77L on routes that could be served by smaller planes.

For the thousandth time, the 77L is not inefficient at all... from I think 2000nm and up it is in fact more efficient than flying a 772 around. It is just a too expensive asset for that purpose and if you have no need for the cargo or range it can fly around, then you are much better flying an A333.

However let's not forget that Iraq is not really a cold climate place to fly out from, and I do believe they will make use of the greater uplift as well as the extra cargo it can carry.

I have no doubt they could have had better choices, but maybe they also received a good deal on this example?



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User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25498 times:

Quoting raffik (Reply 4):
possible resumption of Iraq- America flights?

Iraqi Airways never flew to the USA before so it's not a resumption. There might be one or two pics in the database of Iraqi 747s in the US but they were only cargo flights to pick up weapons sold by Rumsfeld and Cheney to Saddam in the 80s. Never ran scheduled or pax.

I doubt they'll start now - there are "contractors" in the "security" business going from the US to Baghdad but the natural market of tourists, family visits and non-military business is very small - can easily be handled by connecting through Austrian Airlines via VIE or Emirates via DXB. I would think the 777 would be more likely to show up on high density regional flights where there is real demand eg Dubai, Tehran; if there's long haul to be done, it's maybe Kuala Lumpur or London.



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User currently offlineviasa From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 1880 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 25490 times:

Iraqi Airways (or the government of Iraq) will buy everything that other airlines doesn't take up:

1x A320-200 (Air Berlin ntu)
2x A321-200 (Blue Wings ntu)
1x A330-200 (AirAsia X ntu)
1x B777-200LR (Air Austral ntu)


User currently onlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3386 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25270 times:

Its also the only -200LR delivered from Boeing this year

User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 25136 times:
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Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
It is just a too expensive asset for that purpose

Given the niche nature of the 77L and this one sitting around without an owner, I would imaging that Iraqi Airways accepted an offer they couldn't refuse.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24999 times:

Is it in IA livery?

There a refernce link at wikipedia that suggests JFK was served with with passenher flights for a while, why would an article mention random weapons charters?

777 would work for Jeddah on a regular basis, currently JED is only served for hajj by IA.

A320 is gone now, it was a short term lease, BTW are all these aircraft bought or leased?

[Edited 2012-12-15 06:05:49]

User currently offlineKFlyer From Sri Lanka, joined Mar 2007, 1226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 24922 times:

I would think that they simply received an irresistible discount. Boeing obviously wanted someone to take it up and it was probably not built for EK's standard specs which is the only other airline that would possibly
be interested in it.



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User currently offlineordwaw From United States of America, joined May 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24506 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
That´s not a reason to hire an inefficient plane for the mission,
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 8):
For the thousandth time, the 77L is not inefficient at all..

My point was that IA got the 77L not by design or choice but rather because ....

Quoting viasa (Reply 10):
Iraqi Airways (or the government of Iraq) will buy everything that other airlines doesn't take up:

I agree that 77L is a very efficient plane. However, if you use it to carry 100 people over 1000nm then you are using it very inefficiently. But if it was a matter of availability and price, then they can afford to use it in such an inefficient manner.

If you asked me, I hardly see any reason that they would need 77L. The only remote possibility I could agree with is

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Maybe they need the extra payoad capability of the B-77L


User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 23339 times:
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It is a shame it never entered revenue service with Air Austral. This is the only known photo of F-OLRB in the air.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-A...stral/Boeing-777-29M-LR/2132776/L/


User currently offlinegoldenargosy From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22479 times:

In the late 80's there was a huge Iraqi Airways ticket office located in the lobby of the McGraw-Hill Building on 6th Ave. in Manhattan. Every time I'd walk by it I'd look in and check it out. It was strange they'd have such a large office since they didn't have flights out of JFK. In the history section of the Iraqi Airways website it says they were granted approval to fly into JFK back in the 70's, but once they got an aircraft large enough to fly the route (a 747), the route was never activated. Once the office was closed it still remained there for a long, long time just kind of deteriorating as time took its toll. It then became creepy to look in the windows and see this big deserted office with everything in total decay. Creepy in a good way.

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3550 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22157 times:
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Two things
one, it could just be they wanted a big plane for national and airline prestige ..
two , it will become a state VIP a/c

interesting I can find no pictures of this plane as delivered..


User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4017 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21648 times:
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Where will they fly this 77L too? JFK? IAD? FRA? LHR?

User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21559 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 18):
two , it will become a state VIP a/c

This was my first thought when I saw it, great prestigious airplane for head of state!

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21418 times:

But they have a 744 playing that role already.

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21228 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 12):
Given the niche nature of the 77L and this one sitting around without an owner, I would imaging that Iraqi Airways accepted an offer they couldn't refuse.

The 77L is in no way a niche. It is a long haul aircraft capable of flying ultra-long-haul if necessary. It is more efficient than the 77E on most missions, and one can notice that most operators don't do ulh operations with them.



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User currently offlineRubberJungle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21206 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 18):
interesting I can find no pictures of this plane as delivered..

There's a photo of the aircraft at Baghdad here


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3947 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 21149 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 18):
interesting I can find no pictures of this plane as delivered..

Definitely happened. I heard it on HF around 2330z on the edge of Edmonton FIR using reg as callsign, was on a polar routing. Sounded like a Boeing crew.

Likely to have left BFI still in all white colours as the BFI spotters wouldn't have missed this if it had been painted, that is for sure!


25 Stitch : I can think of a number of 777-200LR operators who probably would have considered a "cheap" 777-200LR, so it may very well be that Iraqi Airways was w
26 mbm3 : Winner WInner Chicken Dinner! I think this was a win win deal for both parties. Boeing gets to dump an aircraft to an airline that can not really aff
27 777way : Exactly, PIA dropped out on buying three brand new Philippine Airlines 744 ntu beacuse Boeing was wanting a large amount to reconfigure the planes to
28 MH017 : If it will be the same livery as the Bombardier in the background, it will be very dull on this 777...
29 LAXintl : IA also had an office here in Los Angeles. However its existence was for more nefarious reasons then selling tickets. See during the Iran-Iraq war, t
30 777way : The CRJ in the background seems to have an ANA stlye livery and not the Bombardier house design that was dumped on IA.
31 FlyAA757 : Anyone have other shots of that cr9???
32 777way : put it in paint and zoom, does not seem to be an IA aircraft.
33 aeroblogger : Maybe it was part of the 787 delay compensation. After all, the 787 is hopelessly delayed, and this aircraft wasn't going anywhere...
34 USAF336TFS : Isn't that a bit of a stretch, given deliveries are accruing, even with the most of the program development delays already behind Boeing? I sure hope
35 Post contains images Stitch : According to Wikipedia, their first 787 is not due until 2019, so a bit early to be compensating them, IMO. Evidently IA did consider for a time swap
36 SXDFC : Any pictures of these offices? Also does it still exist in NYC?
37 gigneil : Across a 5600nm stage, a 777-200LR is nearly 4% more efficient than a 777-200ER NS
38 fridgmus : I gotta ask, after spending over six years in Iraq as a contractor and going through BGW, are there ANY knowledgeable personnel running IA? Every time
39 777way : hunh? Livery was tweaked, it wears lighter shade of green and the bare metal or grey belly and engines now painted white., a CRJ is sporting this loo
40 MHTripple7 : So will IA paint this aircraft into their current livery anytime soon? Those ex-AirTran 73Gs IA is flying around have yet to be repainted!
41 KC135TopBoom : They flew to JFK in the '70s & '80s. In the mid 2000, the flew 3 X weeeky to IAD using a B-767-200ER, a former AC airplane, N526PH as 9L-LFF.
42 777way : I thought the 762 was only for govt. use, doubt those were regular passenger flights to IAD.
43 Post contains links KC135TopBoom : IA has never firmed up their B-787 order, it is only a LOI, at best at this point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_deliver
44 Stitch : The 787 and 737 orders are listed on Boeing's O&D page and the Wikipedia page under the Republic of Iraq.
45 Post contains links KarelXWB : You can find more pictures on Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/6876069710/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabian404/7416657818/ http://ww
46 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : It seems we forget this sometimes. It has also been mentioned previously (if I remember correctly) that if 77L was offered earlier we would have seen
47 Darksnowynight : Ok, that's a new one. I agree. The green wave livery is actually one of the best there is/was in the world. It would be great to see that on a 77L. N
48 LAXintl : No it was on Sunset Blvd - close to little Armenia. If you want another fun one - Iran Air had a LA office also -- abandoned for a long time - street
49 USAF336TFS : What part of that wasn't clear?
50 Viscount724 : I believe that is not correct. I can't recall any US-Iraq direct service since the 1960s when Pan Am served it about once a week as one of the many s
51 Post contains links EK413 : I wonder if IA will consider buying the AI B77L aircraft... Here's more information regarding the B738 & B787 order... Boeing Completes Sale of f
52 Stitch : I'm guessing no, since AI has been trying to sell them for some time. AI appears to want, if not above market value, close enough to market value tha
53 777way : I understood the whole thing, ridiculous statement is what I meant.
54 USAF336TFS : That's your opinion. Which is fine. Mine is that the old livery would remind many of the old regime, which I doubt the new Iraqi government is in any
55 777way : FYI thye have reinstated the Saddam era livery which was being replaced by Bombardier house colour style one, infact only one CRJ recieved the rejecte
56 DTWPurserBoy : Whatever happened to the 747SP VIP aircraft painted in Iraq Airways colors that was parked in north Africa for so many years? I would imagine that it
57 TC957 : It's still abandoned at TOE in Tunisia along with an ex-IA 742 ( YI-AGP I think ), I haven't seen any reports saying it's been broken up. Must be nigh
58 Post contains links geedo : A few PDX photographers were able to capture this aircraft in flight. No monopoly for you dude. ^^^ http://www.flickr.com/photos/n324f/7377485304/
59 incitatus : Not only that, the 77L taking off from BGW with maximum payload and facing headwinds might indeed struggle to reach IAD.
60 Post contains images Stitch : At MZFW a 777-200LR can fly 2000nm farther than BGW-IAD, so that trip won't be a problem unless they were flying against a hurricane the entire way.
61 Post contains links Viscount724 : There are a couple of photos in the database, and many others on other sites. The two aircraft are also visible on Google Maps. http://www.google.com
62 eta unknown : Afraid that's absolutely incorrect. Yes, there was a huge NYC office in the McGraw Hill Building (I worked in the same building), but there were neve
63 yoyo444104 : The Iraqi Airways made contract with Boeing few years ago to buy 30 new aircraft s, but the delay was because the Kuwait airline sue Iraqi Airways bec
64 incitatus : Yes, my bad - looked up 77W instead of 77L.
65 DTWPurserBoy : I wounder if those two aircraft in Tunisia are ever run up? It looks like the 742 is missing the #3 engine. Both appear to have been painted white. Bu
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