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DL Relaunches Scheduled B777 Flights To Europe  
User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 992 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 17134 times:

On December 14th, 2012 Delta commenced daily scheduled transatlantic operations with B777-200 aircraft on DTW-AMS-DTW on one of DL's three daily flights, substituting A330 aircraft on the route:

- dep. 22:20 DTW - arr. 12:10 AMS DL 248 Non-Stop B777 daily
- dep. 14:35 AMS - arr. 17:15 DTW DL 249 Non-Stop B777 daily

DL predominantly uses B777 on Asian routes, with the exception of ATL-DXB & ATL-JNB. The B777 is sporadically seen at European airports for en-route diversions or special charters. This seasonal equipment change will operate until 28 February 2013 when the A330 returns.

These winter months AMS sees the following weekly DL flights operated by A332, A333, B767, B777:

- ATL 7x A333
- ATL 5x B767
- BOM 7x A333
- BOS 7x A333
- DTW 7x A333
- DTW 7x A333
- DTW 7x B777 (some weeks 6x)
- EWR 5x B767
- JFK 7x A333
- MSP 7x A333
- MSP 7x A332 (some weeks 6x)
- PDX 5x B767
- SEA 7x A333


In Summer 2013 DL largest European hub AMS will grow to 19x daily departures, when the following additional services are added:

- ATL 7xA333
- BOS 7xA332
- DTW 7xB767
- JFK 7xB767
- MSP 7xA333
- SEA 7xB767

DL's largest non-US hub remains NRT with up to 25 departures per day using all long-haul types B747, B777, B767, B757, A333, A332.

source: www.delta.com

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User currently offlineclemsonaj From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16781 times:

An interesting down-gauge in capacity. Perhaps the A333 is being used to South America instead? Is there more cargo carried on this route during the winter months or is this just a capacity adjustment to allow more seats to go South?

User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10593 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16583 times:

I would think that "launching" would mean that this is the first DL European service with the 777. If so, it's not quite true. For a time, DL used the 777 for SNN/DUB service.


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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 802 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15744 times:

DL has flown plenty of 777 into Europe in the past

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15296 times:

Quoting factsonly (Thread starter):
DL's largest non-US hub remains NRT with up to 25 departures per day using all long-haul types B747, B777, B767, B757, A333, A332.

Off topic but is DL not using the A320 family on intra-asia routes anymore?

Quoting toobz (Reply 3):
DL has flown plenty of 777 into Europe in the past

I recall the grand old days when DL44 CVG-CDG was operated by a 772ER   

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User currently offlineboeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15172 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
I recall the grand old days when DL44 CVG-CDG was operated by a 772ER

DL 48/49 CVG-FRA was operated by B772ER as well...

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User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1729 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 15124 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 4):
Off topic but is DL not using the A320 family on intra-asia routes anymore?

DL never did. NW had ended the use of interport 320s before the merger in favor of the 752s.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5913 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14837 times:

Last time I flew SkyTeam to AMS, it was on a NW 744!
What happened to THOSE days!?!?!
Granted, it was a wretched plane, but I do like my 747's.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10593 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 14608 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Last time I flew SkyTeam to AMS, it was on a NW 744!
What happened to THOSE days!?!?!
Granted, it was a wretched plane, but I do like my 747's.

Well, you DO realize that DL & NW merged, right? It was in all the papers......  



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 13796 times:

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 7):
Last time I flew SkyTeam to AMS, it was on a NW 744!

What happened to THOSE days!?!?!
Granted, it was a wretched plane, but I do like my 747's.

Doesnt DL send the 744 on DTW-AMS during summer?



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User currently offlineHooverman From Netherlands, joined Oct 2011, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12769 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 9):
Doesnt DL send the 744 on DTW-AMS during summer?

They usually do. I think there are up to 5 daily flights in the summer.

DL has flown the 777 before to AMS, although it was from ATL.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17122 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12562 times:

Quoting Hooverman (Reply 10):
think there are up to 5 daily flights in the summer.

Has it really been 5 daily? As far as I remember, and looking at the schedule for next summer it is 4 daily flights.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11415 times:

DL used to have 5 daily flights to AMS at one time from DTW. I do wish they would bring KL back on one of the DTW-AMS runs

User currently offlineburnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7557 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 11100 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 12):

DL used to have 5 daily flights to AMS at one time from DTW. I do wish they would bring KL back on one of the DTW-AMS runs

Off the top of my head I don't recall DL doing that, I know for a fact that at one time NW did, IIRC it was 4x 333 and 1x 744



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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Off the top of my head I don't recall DL doing that, I know for a fact that at one time NW did, IIRC it was 4x 333 and 1x 744

Probably 2007. And I think it was 4x A333 and 1x B752.



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User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4951 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10391 times:
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BTW, they just loaded an updated Summer 2013 schedule over the weekend, and the 777 returns to DTW-AMS in June 2013 - operating the last flight of the day in each direction.

User currently offlineYYZAMS From Canada, joined Feb 2011, 231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 10290 times:

Quoting boeing727 (Reply 5):

I remember flying both flights to CDG from CVG and JFK biz elite when 7001 and 7002 were the only 777s DL had! How many do they have now?


User currently offlinepanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4951 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10078 times:
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Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 16):
How many do they have now?

DL has 8 777-200ERs and 10 777-200LRs currently.


User currently offlinemplsjefe From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 10034 times:
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I think people sometimes forget that the DL 777s have less seats than the 333s.

User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 9889 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Off the top of my head I don't recall DL doing that, I know for a fact that at one time NW did, IIRC it was 4x 333 and 1x 744
Quoting Jano (Reply 14):
Probably 2007. And I think it was 4x A333 and 1x B752.

I don't recall a 752 being used DTW-AMS. I know it was used on a few other DTW routes to Europe and places like BDL-AMS

Burnsie would be right about Northwest sending 4X A333 and 1X 744 (was also 5X A333) to AMS. I also thought that Delta was doing 5X daily DTW-AMS shortly after the merger

I don't think KLM has been back to DTW since the merger


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1729 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9769 times:

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 19):
I don't recall a 752 being used DTW-AMS. I know it was used on a few other DTW routes to Europe and places like BDL-AMS

One DTW-AMS flight was operated on those reconfigured 752s while routes like BDL-AMS were operating in order to rotate the 752s back to DTW rather than using an internationally configured plane on a DTW-BDL sector.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10593 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9769 times:

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 12):

DL used to have 5 daily flights to AMS at one time from DTW. I do wish they would bring KL back on one of the DTW-AMS runs

Off the top of my head I don't recall DL doing that, I know for a fact that at one time NW did, IIRC it was 4x 333 and 1x 744

I don't believe that DL (pre-merger) ever flew DTW-AMS.



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User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 690 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9687 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 21):
I don't believe that DL (pre-merger) ever flew DTW-AMS.

I want to say the only thing DL flew trans-Atlantic out of DTW was the short-lived A310 on DTW-LGW-FRA, before DL finally gave up on that route and sold it to NW.


User currently offlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10593 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 9616 times:

Quoting ocracoke (Reply 22):
I want to say the only thing DL flew trans-Atlantic out of DTW was the short-lived A310 on DTW-LGW-FRA, before DL finally gave up on that route and sold it to NW.

Wasn't CLE in the mix, somehow, on that route?



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User currently offlineocracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 690 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9452 times:

Quoting mayor (Reply 23):
Wasn't CLE in the mix, somehow, on that route?

Yes, at the beginning, (CLE-DTW-FRA-LGW), but quickly dropped.


25 ATL : You guys are making me sad... I really miss the days of big jets being sent to airports like that...
26 Post contains images PHX787 : The glory days....not so long ago
27 B747forever : From where does the 772ER come from?
28 panamair : There is some slack in the 777 fleet from the suspension of DTW-HKG. Also, this is an upgauge since the 777 replaces a 763ER originally scheduled for
29 Post contains links Jano : please see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/archive/t-688530.html
30 NWADTWE16 : KLM was always a beautiful site here in the D..i too wish this would come back..at one time we'd have all the NWA/DL widebodies side by side with a B
31 factsonly : Indeed, last weekend DL made several changes to its Transatlantic Summer 2013 schedule: (1) The B777 returns to AMS from 1 July to 3 September 2013 o
32 B747forever : According to your list DL will have 19 daily departures out of AMS. That is really impressive. How does that compare to the pre-DL days when NW opera
33 MaverickM11 : I can't even imagine what is on that now that there's so much European capacity at SEA *plus* EK
34 boeing727 : DL 48/49 was operated at one time or another by L-1011/B767/MD-11 and B777...good ole times. Boeing727
35 factsonly : Northwest already operated a significant number of departures at AMS, particularly in its short lived B757 period: - BDL 1x/daily = B757 - BOM 1x/dai
36 B747forever : Thank you for the list! It is good to see that DL has grown the AMS hub.
37 MaddogJT8D : In the PMNW days, JFK also saw a 757 from AMS for a couple of months at least - I have the pictures from spotting to prove it! EDIT: It occured to me
38 BoeingGuy : I recall that too. One DTW-AMS frequency was a 757 for at least a short time. The remaining frequencies were larger airplanes. Yep, I took the CDG-CV
39 PSU.DTW.SCE : NW regularly operated the 744 on a DTW-AMS departure for years, up through 2008 Post-merger and during the economic downturn this changed, and there
40 cgnnrw : I can confirm this as I flew the segment 2 or 3 times. I believe it was late 1990s....1997-2000?
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