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Future AA A319/321 Routes  
User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13078 times:

From my understanding is that the A319s are due in July. What is AA's plans for these aircrafts? Where will they be based first and where will they fly them. IIRC, the A321s will debut on transcons next fall. Have they decided which will be the first crew bases?

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User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13074 times:

The A321s will replace the 767-223 ERs on the JFK-LAX but I hear they will only hold 100 passengers in a 3 class configuration.Thats not many for a transcon route.I would guess AA will have more frequency.

User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13030 times:
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Since the A321s will be flying transcons, at least part of the A321 fleet, some crews will be based in either JFK or LAX. LAX still sees a few MD-80 flights a day, I think 8 at the most if not less so if the first few A319s or A321s not configured in 3 Class for transcons are assigned on current MD-80 routes out of LAX it would make sense to base some Airbus crews in LAX.

Of course more routes will follow in the long run as more A319s and A321s are phased in. I'm talking about the near term future, though I'm not %100 positive about what I have written above.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12898 times:

Quoting american 767 (Reply 2):
Since the A321s will be flying transcons, at least part of the A321 fleet, some crews will be based in either JFK or LAX. LAX still sees a few MD-80 flights a day, I think 8 at the most if not less so if the first few A319s or A321s not configured in 3 Class for transcons are assigned on current MD-80 routes out of LAX it would make sense to base some Airbus crews in LAX.

Are these going to have sleeper seats as well? Are they going to operate other JFK-West coast routes (such as to PHX?)



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User currently offlinejustplanenutz From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12739 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Are these going to have sleeper seats as well? Are they going to operate other JFK-West coast routes (such as to PHX?)

Yes, they will have lie flat suites in F and lie flat seats in J:

http://www.americanairlines.jp/i18n/urls/newplanes.jsp

Here is a thought: the 321trancons are configured for 102 pax. Could the 321neo in the same configuration do TATL out of JFK? If so, that could be an interesting plane if the US merger happens. JFK could be focused on high-yield, 3-class O&D with the 77W, 789 and 321neo/transcon. PHL would focus on lower-yield connecting traffic with the refurbished high-density 772 and 763, and the former US 333/332.


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3479 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12679 times:

When will the orders be firmed is alo a question

User currently offlineJack From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12594 times:

So these are the leased aircraft, but I thought this was all on hold together with the A321 NEO order due to Ch11?

Who are they leased from and are the qty of A319/A321 known?


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12583 times:

Is the A321neo seat configuration already known?


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User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12509 times:

AA only ordered 11 A319s. What on earth do they plan to do with them?

User currently offlineamerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12503 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Are they going to operate other JFK-West coast routes (such as to PHX?)

I talked about LAX in my previous reply. The other one I'm thinking of is JFK-SFO. As far as JFK-West Coast routes are concerned, only JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO will see the 3-class config A321.

JFK-PHX might see the A321, like it has seen the 757, but not in a 3-class config.

Quoting justplanenutz (Reply 4):
Could the 321neo in the same configuration do TATL out of JFK?

If the airplane is 180 min ETOPS qualified, yes. If may not have as much range as the 757 does, but it could fly short TATL routes such as JFK-DUB or BOS-DUB.



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12495 times:

IIRC the transcon 321s will be 10F 20J 36MCE and 36Y

User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

I am pretty sure that DFW-ABQ will probably be one of the last MD-80 routes, however, what is the possibility that AA will use the A321 on the route after the MD-80s are retired? Or will AA likely shift the route to 738s?

I am pretty sure that DL's ABQ-ATL route is a prime candidate for 739ERs, replacing the spring/summer 757 service. However, AA doesn't fly any aircraft larger than MD-80s into ABQ, so I wonder if ABQ-DFW will get any A321s.

[Edited 2012-12-15 14:36:46]


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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12439 times:

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 8):
AA only ordered 11 A319s. What on earth do they plan to do with them?

The A319s are probably for routes where a 738 would be payload-restricted.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12292 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 10):
IIRC the transcon 321s will be 10F 20J 36MCE and 36Y

According to seatguru the current configuration on the 762 is 10F 30J 128Y.

So they will not only reduce the number of Y seats, but also 10J seats on every flight. Taking a random date, June 24, they operate 10 LAX-JFK flights, which will mean a reduction of 100J seats each way! Either AA currently flies with many empty J seats on their 762s, or they will add more frequency once they retire the 762.



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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12097 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
Either AA currently flies with many empty J seats on their 762s, or they will add more frequency once they retire the 762.

Or maybe they will offer fewer upgrades to J!



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17126 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12053 times:

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 14):

Or maybe they will offer fewer upgrades to J!

Yeah, it looks like it.

Overall it is quite a reduction of daily seats, especially Y seats. I am sure that B6 is thrilled about it.



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User currently offlinespiritair97 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12012 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 11):

I can almost guarantee you that DFW-ABQ will not get the a321s. They seem like they will be specifically for the JFK transcons. You will probably see the route shifted to the 738s.


User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11561 times:

Quoting doulasc (Reply 1):
Thats not many for a transcon route.I would guess AA will have more frequency.

AA already has a lot of frequency.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
Overall it is quite a reduction of daily seats, especially Y seats. I am sure that B6 is thrilled about it

Yup, that is it. AA will be dumping their cheapest pax onto B6 or VX or possibly even DL.


User currently offlineAA94 From United States of America, joined Aug 2011, 605 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11490 times:

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 8):
AA only ordered 11 A319s. What on earth do they plan to do with them?

There are 130 A319s being ordered. They will replace the MD-80s and the aging 738s.

Quoting Jack (Reply 6):
So these are the leased aircraft, but I thought this was all on hold together with the A321 NEO order due to Ch11?

Who are they leased from and are the qty of A319/A321 known?

None of this is on hold. Deliveries are proceeding on schedule, beginning next year. The A320neo aircraft aren't scheduled to arrive until 2017, but that's the way it's always been.



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User currently offlineMcoov From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 132 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11316 times:

Quoting AA94 (Reply 18):
There are 130 A319s being ordered.
There are 130 of the Airbus A320 series ordered, of which only 11 are A319s. The other 119 are A321s, of which some will be dedicated to the NYC - West Coast routes.

I suppose the other A319s are bundled in the A320NEO series order, but then why include regular A319s?


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11185 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 3):
Are these going to have sleeper seats as well? Are they going to operate other JFK-West coast routes (such as to PHX?)

Why would they operate a plane with sleeper seats to PHX?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 19):
I suppose the other A319s are bundled in the A320NEO series order, but then why include regular A319s?

They do need the A319s - they can fly them from DFW and MIA to a wide number of places that don't need a whole 738....

11 is an odd number, I agree.

NS


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16335 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11180 times:

Quoting Mcoov (Reply 8):
AA only ordered 11 A319s.
Quoting AA94 (Reply 18):
There are 130 A319s being ordered.
Quoting Mcoov (Reply 19):
There are 130 of the Airbus A320 series ordered, of which only 11 are A319s. The other 119 are A321s, of which some will be dedicated to the NYC - West Coast routes.

The order has been increased by 1 to 131. Current breakdown is 12x A319, 119x A321. Source atdb.org

A319 MSN's are: 5678, 5698, 5704, 5715, 5736, 5745, 5755, 5770, 5775, 5780, 5790, 5800. Delivery July-Oct 2013.

Initial A321 delivery Nov 2013, MSN 5838. No other MSN assigned.



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11174 times:

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 16):

I can almost guarantee you that DFW-ABQ will not get the a321s. They seem like they will be specifically for the JFK transcons. You will probably see the route shifted to the 738s.

AA has 100+ 321s on order. JFK-LAX/SFO would need ~15 aircraft.

Look at where AA sends 757s. Thats a good bet for the bulk of the 321 fleet.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 20):

They do need the A319s - they can fly them from DFW and MIA to a wide number of places that don't need a whole 738....

maybe they will do like UA/CO can with the 737. Pick a model closer to it being built?



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11130 times:

Well in this case, they ordered 130 A321s initially... but 11 A319s have their MSNs allocated. So perhaps you're quite right.

That being said, I'd think they need A321s primarily.... but to be honest I'd think they'd want A321neos where they'll get the biggest benefit from them. So maybe this tranche will be the A321s they absolutely need and mostly A319s.

We'll see what happens when they get delivered. They may end up with a shorthaul fleet of A321s and a longhaul fleet of A321neos in the future. I can almost guarantee that the JFK A321s will be reconfigured for regular duty and replaced with a subfleet of A321neos when they arrive.

I rambled a lot in this post.

NS


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9672 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 23):

We'll see what happens when they get delivered. They may end up with a shorthaul fleet of A321s and a longhaul fleet of A321neos in the future. I can almost guarantee that the JFK A321s will be reconfigured for regular duty and replaced with a subfleet of A321neos when they arrive.

agreed.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 23):
That being said, I'd think they need A321s primarily.... but to be honest I'd think they'd want A321neos where they'll get the biggest benefit from them. So maybe this tranche will be the A321s they absolutely need and mostly A319s.

I think they will need more 321s for sure, but i can't see them sticking with 12 319s.



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25 HPRamper : I think seeing as ORD is the hub most in need of right-sizing in terms of aircraft gauge, I think the A319 would be perfect there.
26 FlyCaledonian : What engines have AA gone for on the A320 family - CFM or IAE?
27 JoePatroni707 : IIRC the 319's will have CFM, the 321's IAE
28 RWA380 : I agree 100%, I have touting this same scenario for months, there will be room for JFK & PHL, PHL will become the main transit airport for connec
29 gdg9 : I still don't understand why AA ordered all these A319/321 when they have a 200+ fleet and growing of 738s. 739ERs could have done the A321 job and ev
30 jonathanxxxx : I believe they will use the A319 the same way the 737-700 are used at Delta. They will use them from DFW and MIA to those hot and high destinations.
31 jfklganyc : Boeing didn't come through with the next 737 like Airbus did with the NEO. Truth is, once AA and US merge, these airlines will all be too big to be al
32 justplanenutz : That stated range of the 321neo is 3,450nm, which as you say, rules out most TATL missions. So, the question is how much of a range bump would the lo
33 Post contains images laca773 : . In addition to the subfleet for JFK-LAX/SFO transcons, look for the A321s to replace 75Ws that are doing transcons first (I believe), then as time
34 tan flyr : Yeah, it has always been the joke the last MD-80 will ferry from FAT to MHV. The "informed" rumor last summer was that FAT was going to get 738's by
35 FWAERJ : It likely will be when you factor in the A319NEOs.
36 ripcordd : I would have to say that the 319's will be at first based at ORD....doing ATL/EWR/PHL/MSP/DTW/ABQ/BNA/RDU/SLC/DEN/MCI/DCA all the right size for these
37 yyz717 : AA stated that, upon ordering the A32x and more 738, that neither manufacturer could accommodate all their orders. Recall when the 130x A32x were ord
38 Post contains images PHX787 : Some of us actually want to sleep on our red-eyes to the east coast
39 BA744PHX : Well first thing is AA doesn't fly JFK-PHX non stop. Only B6, DL, and US from JFK, and UA and US from EWR
40 gigneil : I will tell you. Each manufacturer has a sweet spot. The 738 is Boeing's. The A319 and A321 are Airbus'. They weren't going to order any new Boeings
41 american 767 : Likewise, one will say: "Why so flew A321NEOs?" Because a large fleet of A321s of the current generation (or OEO as we speak) will have already been
42 spiritair97 : Couldn't have said it better myself. I do look forward to seeing what AA does with there birds. I aassume, like stated in previous posts, they will b
43 LAXintl : Sorry I joined the conversation late, but one the roles for the A319 will be into Latin America. AA has done quite some analysis and ground work to us
44 HPRamper : That should happen regardless of anything involving AA.
45 RL757PVD : When AA finally re-adds PVD the A319 is the perfect size for PVD-DFW... too long for 100 seats or less, and not quite large enough for a 738 when figu
46 OB1504 : This makes sense and was my first thought, but since AA has a much larger Latin American network than DL, I would've expected them to order more A319
47 spiritair97 : I agree, it would be a near-perfect fit.
48 TWA772LR : Didn't AA order the 738MAX? I thought thats how Boeing unofficially unveiled it. Also, shouldn't have AA gone all NEO for thier Airbus order?
49 qf002 : Yes, they ordered a ton of NGs to cover the next few years and a ton of MAXs for further down the track. Not if they wanted a meaningful number of pl
50 yyz717 : Why should US leave Star if the merger with AA does not proceed? Not yet. The AA orders for MAX and neo have not been signed yet. This will likely ha
51 RWA380 : Must be, PDX is M80 country, has been since AA introduced them into the fleet. PDX?
52 Deltal1011man : because A or B simply couldn't make that many planes for AA that fast. uhh... but PHX won't pay the real price for a 100 seat 321.
53 Post contains images UnitedTristar : Maybe I am the only one to think this way, but I think the first routes for the A319 will be long thin L. Amer routes out of DFW/MIA/JFK. They have pr
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