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Who Made All The 777 Order Cancellations?

kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3
Posted (5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 19664 times:

Who made all the 777 order cancellations?

According to Boeing's site,
http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...optReportType=AnnOrd&pageid=m15521

In 2010, there were 30 cancellations for the 777. In 2009, there were 11 cancellations.

It seems these orders were subtracted from the 2007 and 2008 totals.

Any idea who made these 41 cancellations?

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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26679 posts, RR: 83
Reply 1, posted (5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 19152 times:

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Continental cancelled one 777-200ER in April 2009.

LAN cancelled one 777 freighter in May 2009.

Continental cancelled two 777-200ERs in August 2009.

Continental cancelled one 777-200ER in August 2009.

V Australia cancelled two 777-300ERs and Continental cancelled one 777-200ER in March 2010.

El Al cancelled four 777-200ERs in April 2010.

Japan Airlines cancelled seven 777-300ERs in July 2010.

Dubai Aerospace Enterprises cancelled 10 777-300ERs and Continental cancelled one 777-200ER in August 2010.

Guggenheim Aviation Partners cancelled two 777 freighters in September 2010.

Arik Air cancelled three 777-300ERs in December 2010.

[Edited 2012-12-16 13:07:38]

KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 17136 times:

By my count, that is only 35 of them. That leaves another 6 that were canceled by someone.

kaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2208 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16381 times:

I never knew of all of those Continental cancellations. Why were they all one or two at a time?

KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11705 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16178 times:

If you look at the dates of all the CO B-77E cancelations you will see it was all during the global economic downfall in 2009 and 2010 when airline travel was falling. It was before their 2011 merger with UA. If you look at the CO/UA fleet today, they have some 20 B-77As and 55 B-77Es. PMCO had 22 B-77Es.

flood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 15836 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Thread starter):
In 2009, there were 11 cancellations.

Adding to Stitch's list, in Aug 2009 EgyptAir converted 2 777s to 737s.
http://atwonline.com/aircraftengines...swaps-two-777s-eight-737-800s-0309

Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26679 posts, RR: 83
Reply 6, posted (5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14734 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 3):
I never knew of all of those Continental cancellations. Why were they all one or two at a time?

They were converted to 737NG orders. So as CO saw their fleet needs change during the GFC, as KC135TopBoom notes, they converted orders.

KC135Hydraulics From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14275 times:

Do airlines pay some sort of fee for cancelling orders?

Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26679 posts, RR: 83
Reply 8, posted (5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12996 times:

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 7):
Do airlines pay some sort of fee for cancelling orders?

Actual damages or fees would vary from sales contract to sales contract, though I believe one could reasonably expect that an outright cancellation on the part of the customer with no fault on the part of the manufacturer would result in the forfeit of the original deposit plus any progress payments made to date.

7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12420 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
though I believe one could reasonably expect that an outright cancellation on the part of the customer with no fault on the part of the manufacturer would result in the forfeit of the original deposit plus any progress payments made to date.

Legally, yes the customer would lose the original deposit. If you take a deposit on your car or your house, if the person backs out you don't blink and eye about keeping the money--you're never going to see them again.Since both B and AB know they are most likely going to be trying to sell that customer airplanes in the future I'm not sure that they ever go that far. Back when USAir switched from 737's to A320's there was a sizeable order for more 737's that was cancelled but I don't think B kept the deposit--they hoped to do more business with USAir in the future--probablly should have kept the $$$.

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