San Francisco 4/7
Kuala Lumpur 4/7
AwysBSB From Brazil, joined Sep 2005, 508 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5433 times:
I thought TK's would increase capacity in Brazil soon.
Since there is no 77W available for increasing frequencies to GRU, TK should launch a new destination that could be reached nonstop by a 332.
QR considers launching BSB, for that airport has a significant government traffic and has three domestic hubs of main Brazilian carriers.
That airport offers new opportunities for TK, like including Chile to its network with the rectilineal route IST-BSB-SCL.
Yakamoz From Switzerland, joined Nov 2012, 67 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1914 times:
They have now 37 new destinations on their wish list. 2 of them will begin definitive 2013; Houston and Santiago de Compostela. Others are planned data. According to Temel Kotil, THY will open 33 new destinations in 2013.
Abuja-Kano, these two are waiting now for over a year (THY announced it to Stock exchange in Nov 2011). Why they are waiting so long for approval?
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4102 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1818 times:
Quoting jreuschl (Reply 13): Looks like TK is using the 738/739 range to its fullest. The flight from IST-NIM is 5:46!
I have flown many West Bound transcons in the US lot longer than that.
I have done IST-NBO on a 738 and that was long. TK 739ERs have additional tanks that makes longer routes possible, especially in Africa.
Steelyman From Spain, joined Feb 2007, 84 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1426 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19): Do they have the technical, managerial and safety resources to support that kind of expansion? That would worry me much more.
I have only seen this question being asked about TK. What makes you think TK management less capable than others? What I can tell you, TK takes advantage of an important skill which many other airlines lack in their management and employee level, which is passion towards their job.
That's an emotion. Especially when it comes to technical matters, emotions should stay out.
My question was free of emotion and based on life experience. A rapid expansion needs a solid foundation. Especially when that expansion is fuelled by political goals and backed by the government. The question is reasonable, why do you react that way?
TK needs to recruit pilots, technicians and engineers to cope with that expansion, do they train their own staff, do they have the resources? There are many valid questions, I recently checked the fare from FRA to TLV and they charge about 60% in C from what LH charges. That's fine, as long as they collect adequate fares from Germany to IST, which is backed by a solid ethnic traffic and take the transit as bonus
Still, that kind of expansion has been seen before, sometimes with bad results.
Agree with you, only though, TK is not unprecedented in its expansion - look at EK in the last 10-15 years. Look at airlines like B6 or FR which didn't even exist (or were miniscule) until very recently. As long as mgmt stays on top of everything, I don't see why it shouldn't work.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7751 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1151 times:
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 22): look at EK in the last 10-15 years. Look at airlines like B6 or FR which didn't even exist (or were miniscule) until very recently. As long as mgmt sta
Yes, but EK bought expats from all over the world, starting with the top management, pilots, crew. B6 and FR could tap a local market with many pilots and crew available, whereby local in Ireland is all 27 EU members. At least FR could stop flying tomorrow and still would make money as a leasing outfit. They have no obligation to their crews, they are outside contractors. No comparison with what TK is up to.
I wish TK good luck, will be interesting to watch how they tackle that problem.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4102 posts, RR: 13 Reply 24, posted (4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21): TK needs to recruit pilots, technicians and engineers to cope with that expansion, do they train their own staff, do they have the resources?
AFAIK, TK has a small percentage of foreign pilots (5-10%) and started hiring foreign FA's also. Not familiar with the techinicians/engineers but I don't see a problem.
We are talking about a TK fleet of 200 planes today; going up to 230 planes in 5 years in a country of 75 million people. I am sure TK can find enough technicians/engineers from around 80,000 graduates a year with engineering degrees plus 2 Grad programs with Aerospace Engineering.
TK has its own flight academy since 2007 and sends pilot candidates to Florida for training since 2010. Total pilot candidates from these two ventures around= 200 a year. Turkish pilot friends here can have more say on this matter.
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 21): That's fine, as long as they collect adequate fares from Germany to IST, which is backed by a solid ethnic traffic and take the transit as bonus
That is why LH has so many flights to Turkey also; serving the same ethnic traffic and taking the same transit pax as bonus. (plus LH/TK joint venture, Sunekspress). LH like BA, KL, AF, LX, AZ, IB enjoyed this transit pax for many years. Now Turks can fly to almost anywhere in the world with TK, nothing wrong with that.
Here is the details from earlier this month, thanks to "LAXintl": Load factor/ IST vs. Transfer pax perc./ Connecting to...
Tel Aviv / 75% / 48 vs 52% / JFK, PVG, PEK, BOM, DEL
Quoting tkfan (Reply 62):
do you have the same numbers (O&D vs. transfer, and top destinations) for the German Airports.
Here are a few German airports.
Berlin / 81% / 54 vs 46% / IKA, GYD, BEY, DEL, BOM
Dusseldorf / 83% / 67 vs 33% / AMM, JED, GYD, PVG, DEL
Hamburg / 78% / 50 vs 50% / BEY, MHD, IKA, DEL, TLV
Frankfurt / 84% / 61 vs 39% / TBS, KBL, IKA, GYD, FRU
Munich / 79% / 61 vs 39% / IKA, BEY, GYD, PVG, TLV
I think the bigger issues with this expansion still are; the capacity at IST, the inconsistency of service on board the planes, ease of transfers, the standards at call centers/ground desks, website experience and crisis management training.
And big smiles all around and we have a great airline competing with the best in the world!