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Where Are Ryanair Aircraft Parked In Winter  
User currently offlineaviatorcraig From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2010, 213 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 19406 times:

Every winter Ryanair, like many other Northern Hemisphere airlines reduces its schedules to match reduced demand. This winter, Europe-wide schedules seem to be cut back more than they have been in previous years.

With many bases like Bournemouth effectively closed until March 2013, where do they park the excess 737-800s over the winter, or do they go to the Southern Hemisphere on short term leases?


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User currently offlinetomkell92 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2012, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19204 times:

I think there are 2 aircraft parked in Gates 57 and 58 here in Manchester. I've definitely seen 2 aircraft sat here for some time now (at least a week or 2).


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User currently onlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7371 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 19060 times:
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Formation parking at BHX I believe. May be as many as 6 there?

User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 422 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 18948 times:

There are 3 aircrafts based at FKB but only 2 are used for operations. It seems that the third one comes from MRS for the winter. It is not a specific 73H which is grounded, it changes everyday.


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User currently offlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18918 times:

A fair number are parked at STN, but the aircraft that are inoperative rotate in and out of service and there are not specific aircraft in storage for the winter.


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User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18761 times:

If I may: What do the employees do during winter?


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User currently offlineAAMDanny From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18730 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
If I may: What do the employees do during winter?

I know that Cabin Crew can only operate 900 hours per year, so they tend to have busy summers and quiet winters to balance the 900 hours over the year.

Also Ryanair in the past have been known to employ crew on seasonal contracts for the summer periods so they have crew extra flight attendants for the busy summer months.


User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12138 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18669 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
What do the employees do during winter?

Hibernate?               

MOL should try it.               


User currently offlinespacemanuk From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2009, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18614 times:

I'm sure there are roughly 20 parked up at STN and a load more at their various Hubs. As said above some are rotated and some they nick various parts from to keep others on the air.  

User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 18594 times:

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 6):
I know that Cabin Crew can only operate 900 hours per year, so they tend to have busy summers and quiet winters to balance the 900 hours over the year.

Thanks, that makes perfect sense.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 6):
Also Ryanair in the past have been known to employ crew on seasonal contracts for the summer periods so they have crew extra flight attendants for the busy summer months.

As does this - in this regard, their needs and hiring practices won't be too different from e.g. hotels on the Mediterranean.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Hibernate?

MOL should try it.

Quite so.   



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User currently offlineirshava From Ukraine, joined Oct 2011, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17930 times:

Perhaps some being parked in BUD?


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User currently offlinextoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16819 times:

Seems like a good time to perform heavy maintenance on the aircraft.


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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16457 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):

If I may: What do the employees do during winter?

I know that the pilots have a month of self sponsored vacation some time during the winter months.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25170 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16094 times:
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Quoting aloges (Reply 9):
As does this - in this regard, their needs and hiring practices won't be too different from e.g. hotels on the Mediterranean.

  

Every so often, someone on a.net puts something into a really sensible perspective, as you just have. Thanks.

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User currently offlineoldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14410 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Hibernate?

MOL should try it.

Yeah, great idea. So they can test drugs, they also could use to sedate* passengers, which then can be stacked about each other in the aircraft. After MOLs wish for standing passengers, this would be another milestone in his improvement in Ryanairs smart business concept.

  


*The sedation fee surely will be just only bitsy 10 Euros!   

[Edited 2012-12-17 01:08:29]


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User currently offlinesmbukas From Lithuania, joined Feb 2009, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14329 times:

They park everywhere, split in every base, i think.

In KUN they have based 3 aircrafts, but only 1 is flying regulary.

Eventhough, during 2 weeks Christmas period they add flights on many routes so it is almost summer-style utilization on those days.


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14050 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 5):
If I may: What do the employees do during winter?

The Pilots reach the maximum 900 hours in less than a year so this winter reduction works complimentary with this.


User currently offlineEurohub From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13143 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 2):
Formation parking at BHX I believe. May be as many as 6 there?

There were certainly six parked in formation on the 70's stands when I visited about a week ago



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13114 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 12):
I know that the pilots have a month of self sponsored vacation some time during the winter months.

Yup, My girlfriend is Cabin Crew at FR and she actually have 4 months of self sponsored vacation... or as they call it ¨Unpaid leave¨

It was either that, or fly just a few days during the month which is economically unviable when you have to pay for accomodation and transport.

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9337 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12146 times:

What a question! Did anyone expect that FR is paying the fuel and the crew costs for positioning flights from the airport where the aircraft are based to a winter hibernating spot in the Med and then back in March? Plus deadheading for the crew twice. Shocking waste of money.

Logic dictates that air craft stay where they are and that airport does not pay for parking either.

I do also like the term "self sponsored vacation". Service employees are needed by hotels in the Alps during winter.



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User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11795 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
What a question! Did anyone expect

Why so abrasive? He just asked which of FR's destinations are used for "aircraft hibernation", what's wrong with that?



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11710 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):

Logic dictates that air craft stay where they are and that airport does not pay for parking either.

The aircraft are usually not put into longtime storage. They are parked, but kept ready to fly and rotated every few days.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25205 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Did anyone expect that FR is paying the fuel and the crew costs for positioning flights from the airport where the aircraft are based to a winter hibernating spot in the Med and then back in March? Plus deadheading for the crew twice. Shocking waste of money.

Not necessarily. Parking an aircraft that's going to be idle for several months is best in a dry climate, which is why many US carriers store their aircraft in desert areas. I'm not referring to aircraft that have been retired but to those out of service for a few months.


User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2830 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11686 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 19):
Plus deadheading for the crew twice. Shocking waste of money.

Cabin crew pay for their own flights (discounted, but sometimes can be more expensive than the regular fare). Also now it is impossible for staff to book flights through the staff travel system unless they are at base, it can only be booked on the intranet system.



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User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

As far as I am aware none of Ryanair's aircraft are exactly parked up for the full winter months.

What Ryanair seems to do is rotate them on a weekly or fortnightly basis. So an aircraft that has been parked up for the last fortnight could be flying today and aircraft flying last week could be parked up for the next two weeks.

When I have flown into STN and DUB previous winters I have seen 20 odd aircraft parked up at both airports in the far corners of the apron.

If Ryanair or any airline for that fact parked up an aircraft for 4-6 months and was not used, would it have to go through any major maintenance checks before going back into day to day operations? I was just wondering if this was the case and hence why Ryanair rotate aircraft that are parked up.


25 skipness1E : There's a small fleet parked at PIK .
26 flyabunch : I understand times are tough, but working for a company that only gives you 900 hours per year is pretty tough in itself. I assume that they have this
27 MD11Engineer : Exactly. Up to two weeks of parking there are no special maintenance tasks required above overnight parking in cold weather. Beyond 2 weeks e.g. the
28 PanHAM : I don't like the smilies. If it was abrasive then that was regarding Scrooge O'L. It was mentioned nbefore that they rotate the aircraft at the bases
29 Post contains images PanHAM : I was talking about pilots. However I would not be surprised if they had to pay for their way home if the company sends them to fly an aircraft to an
30 CaptCufflinks : There are some concessions and pilots who turn up in uniform can fly in a jump seat for free. Ironically, the uniform is something you must have boug
31 PanHAM : They could not achieve their financial results any other way. There's basically no overhead The legacy carriers could never work on that base, not ev
32 CaptCufflinks : Correct. FR are no frills not just as a transporter of pax, but as an 'employer' also. Whether this is right or wrong, and the varying shades of grey
33 PanHAM : On the contrary, I admire them for their business concept and the way they push this through. Look at the benefits for their sub-contractors, who work
34 Aer Lingus : The last I counted there were 27 "stored" airframes or those in maintenance at Stansted parked on taxiway Golf and on the stands off of Foxtrot. In ad
35 EIDL : Its the law, not an airline-specific rule. Ryanair's cabin crew are all employed in Ireland (unless something has changed - regardless of where they'
36 aerdingus : No it´s still the same for the moment, but there are talks of crew in bases changing to pay the taxes of the country they are based in.
37 EagleBoy : This is the correct answer. MoL calls it 'parking up' as theis sounds more dramatic. In reality FR just lower the weekly utilisation of each airframe
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