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First US - Cambodia Air Link - United Airlines  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25414 posts, RR: 49
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

Should be good for both the ethnic crowd, and tourism....


As a sign of further improved relations with the US and economic growth in Cambodia, United Airlines seeks to implement codeshare service to Phnom Penh and Siem Reap Cambodia.

United proposes to offer direct service linking its San Francisco gateway with the two Cambodia markets via Seoul Korea commencing late January utilizing connecting codeshare service operated by Asiana.

Currently the US and Cambodia do not have an air service agreement, however in the spirit of cooperation, the Cambodian CAA has approved this extra bilateral service and encourages the proposed links to the United States.


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 10747 times:

Kind of an anti climax. The title says "first US - Cambodia air link" (sounds like United flying nonstop), then it turns out to be through Seoul (still good) and then it turns out it is an Asiana plane (that flew there before this announcement) with a UA flight number slapped on. What's the big news?

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User currently offlineDL WIDGET HEAD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2094 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10722 times:

Awesome. Hopefully Delta will do the same on KE via ICN. I visited Siem Reap last year and must say that it was fascinating. I would love to see Delta serve this route from NRT at some point.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10664 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
Kind of an anti climax. The title says "first US - Cambodia air link" (sounds like United flying nonstop), then it turns out to be through Seoul (still good) and then it turns out it is an Asiana plane (that flew there before this announcement) with a UA flight number slapped on. What's the big news?

It is a step forward. I would imagine the market isn't big enough for United to get into it. When I saw this, I thought it might be a tag on to the SGN service...


User currently offlinegabrielchew From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 3270 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10614 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 1):
What's the big news?

Exactly. All this is is a code share? Hardly newsworthy at all. I'm also sure that 99% of pax on these flights will continue to be Korean tourists, and not Americans.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25414 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

Its news because its the first formal marketed flight linking the nations.

Also the US and Cambodia don't even have an air service agreement, and this approval was issued on basis of goodwill.

Positive step forward for the nations that had antagonist past.



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User currently offlineDolphinAir747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10241 times:

Good step.
Honestly the tendency of US airlines to hub at NRT and operate through flights on their own metal is a 50s thing. I wouldn't be surprised if the increase in JVs caused UA and DL to focus more on codeshares with NH/OZ and KE.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

There is no bilateral agreement between the US and Cambodia. That means that there can't be any US marketed codeshare flights into Cambodia. UA can sell a ticket to Cambodia but only under its authority to act as a travel agent and interlining.

Allowing codeshares will let UA offer fares into Cambodia. That will make prices much more reasonable. Currently UA has to purchase a ticket on Asiana or Thai Airways which makes it very expensive since the passenger is essentially buying two tickets. This makes it uncompetitive with Korean and Asiana.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25346 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8917 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
Allowing codeshares will let UA offer fares into Cambodia.

There's no need for any kind of government permission to sell interline through fares (not involving a codeshare). There isn't much difference from the passenger's point of view except the flight number.

[Edited 2012-12-17 13:37:24]

User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

It's not the first "US" Airline.

UA aren't the first USAirline to do it, DL already code shares through ICN with KE into PNH and REP


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25414 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 9):
DL already code shares through ICN with KE into PNH and REP

Not according to delta.com or GDS.

Delta.com does not even recognize PHN as valid city code, while it does for REP but books onto KE flights.

In GDS all is shown are the local KE flights to ICN, but there are no direct through ticket DL connections to the US listed.



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User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7998 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):

There's no need for any kind of government permission to sell interline through fares (not involving a codeshare). There isn't much difference from the passenger's point of view except the flight number.

To the passenger it isn't that big of a deal if they purchase directly through the airline, but interline through fares are not priced the same way as codeshares and often will not show up in travel website searches such as Kayak.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 7):
That means that there can't be any US marketed codeshare flights into Cambodia. UA can sell a ticket to Cambodia but only under its authority to act as a travel agent and interlining.

Well, as Jasewgtn mentioned:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 9):
L already code shares through ICN with KE into PNH and REP

Such a codeshare already exists. I flew last year JFK-ICN-REP (on KE but on a DL ticket with DL flight numbers).



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User currently offlinekurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7797 times:

The flight times from Cambodia are less than optimal.

OZ 738 REP-ICN arrives at 6:55 a.m.
OZ 740 PNH-ICN arrives at 6:50 a.m.;

while UA 892 ICN-SFO departs at 6:10 p.m. An 11-hour stopover is not very appealing.


User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Delta.com does not even recognize PHN as valid city code, while it does for REP but books onto KE flights.

The code is PNH.... But you are correct they don't code share to PNH, my mistake, however they do to REP


From Delta.com

Flight InformationClose
DL 7874:Seoul-Incheon, South Korea (ICN) to Siem Reap, Cambodia/Kampuchea (REP)
Departs:6:30pm,Thu 14Feb
Arrives:10:15pm,Thu 14Feb
Duration:5h 45m
Aircraft:Boeing 737


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9643 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting kurt (Reply 13):
The flight times from Cambodia are less than optimal.

OZ 738 REP-ICN arrives at 6:55 a.m.
OZ 740 PNH-ICN arrives at 6:50 a.m.;

while UA 892 ICN-SFO departs at 6:10 p.m. An 11-hour stopover is not very appealing.

Asiana's flights rarely seem to time well for connections to the US. Their Southeast Asia flights tend to require long layovers in ICN one way. Even BKK which they serve 2-3 times a day, they still have lousy connections. OZ doesn't even have good connections to cities like HKG.



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User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 10):
Not according to delta.com or GDS.

Delta.com does not even recognize PHN as valid city code, while it does for REP but books onto KE flights.

In GDS all is shown are the local KE flights to ICN, but there are no direct through ticket DL connections to the US listed.

Interesting. The following are from Delta's schedule:

DL 7880 PNH 23:40 ICN 06:40 737
DL 7871 ICN 18:30 PNH 22:20 737

DL 7875 REP 23:15 ICN 06:10 737
DL 7874 ICN 18:30 REP 11:15 737

[Edited 2012-12-17 15:57:01]

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25414 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7153 times:

Quoting kurt (Reply 13):
while UA 892 ICN-SFO departs at 6:10 p.m. An 11-hour stopover is not very appealing.

UA also has a 11am-12noon depature (time depending on season) from ICN that goes to NRT and beyond Transpac connections.

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 14):
rom Delta.com

Flight InformationClose
DL 7874:Seoul-Incheon, South Korea (ICN) to Siem Reap, Cambodia/Kampuchea (REP)
Departs:6:30pm,Thu 14Feb
Arrives:10:15pm,Thu 14Feb
Duration:5h 45m
Aircraft:Boeing 737

And how does one get to the US ???

I can't build any itineraries in GDS using the flight from REP onto DL USA services with pricing.

Quoting steex (Reply 16):
Interesting. The following are from Delta's schedule:

DL 7880 PNH 23:40 ICN 06:40 737
DL 7871 ICN 18:30 PNH 22:20 737

Delta.com does not show PNH as even being a valid city code. Obviously they are not interested in selling the flight.

Screwy listing.



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User currently offlinejasewgtn From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 6813 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
And how does one get to the US ???

I guess you mean from the US?

From Delta.com when looking up a flight and pricing I can't get any PNH but REP is coming up just find, and personally have had friends fly DTW-MSP-ICN-REP on this arrangement.

This is an availabilty search from Delta.com DTW-REP

12:10PM 10:15PM Thu 14 Feb
DL 159
DL 7874 (1)
1 stop
ICN2h 5m
22h 5m
Operated by: 1 Korean Airlines


User currently onlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1656 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
Delta.com does not show PNH as even being a valid city code. Obviously they are not interested in selling the flight.

Screwy listing.

It is indeed very strange. PNH is recognized by DL's downloadable flight schedule program, and that's where I was able to find those schedules. Furthermore, if you search for something like DTW-PNH on Kayak, it will show a 1-stop DL itinerary over ICN using that codeshare, but Delta.com then (not surprisingly, as you indicated) cannot process the transaction because it doesn't recognize the PNH code.

Of course, as a Delta FF, no level of IT failure on Delta's part surprises me at this point!  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25414 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 18):
I guess you mean from the US?

No to the US.

I cannot construct or price a valid itinerary in GDS.

Don't seem to be valid flight for sale.



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