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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 102  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Posted (1 year 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 20904 times:

Makes sense if he can turn around and sell his shares for more than $77 million to an investor like Ethiad.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...isher-sbi/articleshow/17653253.cms

Quote:
Vijay Mallya is ready to infuse Rs 425 crore($77 million) into the airline and restart its limited operations as soon as DGCA gives a go-ahead, the lead lender to the grounded carrier said today.

Acharya also said Mallya did not ask for any fresh lending, saying the promised Rs 425 crore will come from his own resources. He also said that Mallya did not reveal the name of investors/airlines that he is in discussion with.

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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 100
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 14 hours ago) and read 20757 times:
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Earlier in the day Jet AirwaysBSE 1.34 % surged nearly 5 per cent to hit its highest level in nearly two years to Rs 636.70 on hopes Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways will buy a stake in the carrier. A business daily reported on Monday that Etihad may decide as early as this week whether it will invest in Jet Airways or in grounded rival Kingfisher Airlines, citing two people familiar with the matter.

From a link noting lenders refuse to loan IT any more funds:

http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-airlines/articleshow/17652133.cms


If nothing else, Etihad has managed to get its name out in India!  

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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 314 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 11 hours ago) and read 20708 times:

Is there a limit on the number of messages on A.net that requires us to start a new thread?


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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 20615 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 2):
Is there a limit on the number of messages on A.net that requires us to start a new thread?

One can start a new thread after 200 posts(forum rule). I hope many of you will keep an eye out on no. of posts and start a new thread when no. of posts have exceeded 200.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 314 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 5 hours ago) and read 20602 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
One can start a new thread after 200 posts(forum rule)

Thanks. From your answer it appears that we CAN start a new thread after 200 posts i.e. optional, not that we MUST start a new thread (mandatory). So why do we impose this rule? Would love to understand the logic behind this. Thanks in advance.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20510 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 4):
Thanks. From your answer it appears that we CAN start a new thread after 200 posts i.e. optional, not that we MUST start a new thread (mandatory). So why do we impose this rule? Would love to understand the logic behind this. Thanks in advance.

Loading time for pages increases greatly as posts add up.



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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20488 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 4):
Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):One can start a new thread after 200 posts(forum rule)
Thanks. From your answer it appears that we CAN start a new thread after 200 posts i.e. optional, not that we MUST start a new thread (mandatory). So why do we impose this rule? Would love to understand the logic behind this. Thanks in advance.

Being one of the members who spotted the very 1st thread #1 from LAXDESI, I remember that for the initial 20-30 threads they used to switch to the next # after 100 posts......then it was decided that we change at 200, as the numbers began to advance too quickly......makes it easier to read too......beyond 150 or so, you start losing important posts within the thread.....

The thread has matured a lot since the early days......  


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 20409 times:

less than 200 posts make thread reading easier.......normally Laxdesi gets the honour of starting the next thread,unless it does not.......

Whats the news on KF now....no announcement on the 18th......31st is the day the AOP needs to be renewed.



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User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 20323 times:

India's domestic air passenger traffic shrunk by almost 8% in November.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...-november/articleshow/17680349.cms

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 5):
Loading time for pages increases greatly as posts add up.

  

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 6):
I remember that for the initial 20-30 threads they used to switch to the next # after 100 posts......then it was decided that we change at 200, as the numbers began to advance too quickly......makes it easier to read too......beyond 150 or so, you start losing important posts within the thread.....

At some point A.net changed the rules on country specific threads to a minimum of 200 posts. I didn't notice the rule change and one of the new thread was deleted by the mods as the previous one had not reached 200 posts.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
less than 200 posts make thread reading easier.......normally Laxdesi gets the honour of starting the next thread,unless it does not.......

I would like others to take collective responsibility to start a new thread after 200 posts. It doesn't have to be exactly at 200 posts, but somewhere between 200 and 210 posts will be a good range.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 20260 times:

Gopinath set to float new airline next year. Any substance to this story?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...next-year/articleshow/17659124.cms

Quote:
Exactly a decade after he launched India's first low-cost carrier (LCC) Air Deccan and five years after he was forced to sell it off, Captain G R Gopinath is all set to make a comeback with a startup. Three foreign LCCs are learnt to have approached him to take up to 49% stake in the proposed new venture for which he has already applied to the aviation ministry to get a licence. The non-compete agreement Gopinath signed while selling Deccan to Vijay Mallya's now-grounded Kingfisher in 2007 ends on January 28, 2013. Gopinath told TOI on Monday that he will finalize the partner in two to three months and hopes to launch the airline by mid-2013.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 20211 times:

Dreamliners make Air India's Delhi-Frankfurt route profitable. Based on the numbers in the article, it costs about $135 million less annually to operate this route with 787 than 777. The 772L has 17 more J and 8 more F seats than 788. AI would have to sell each of these 25 extra F/J seats for about $15,000(one way) to offset the operational cost savings over 788.
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...rofitable/articleshow/17685393.cms

Quote:
"The airline is able to save at least Rs 20 lakh per flight after the Dreamliner is deployed. After four long loss-making years, we are making profit on this route now," said a top Air India official, who didn't wish to be identified.

But some commanders are a bit skeptical of the Dreamliner strategy. While some senior AI commanders agree that operational costs may have come down because of the deployment of the Boeing 787s, they argue that revenues too have slipped. "When we compare the Boeing 787 with the Boeing 777s, there's a fuel cost saving of about 17 lakh for a seven hour flight as there is a 12 tonnes less fuel burn per hour on a 787 when you compare it with the 777. But the Boeing 787 has fewer business class seats - 18 against 35 on a 777. So, essentially there's a dip in revenue though the operating cost might have come down. But the target should be to bolster revenue and not look at cutting operational costs alone," said a senior AI commander, choosing not to be identified.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20102 times:

So is EY still deciding which of the two girls it is going to bed with?


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User currently offlineIlove747 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 20100 times:

"But the target should be to bolster revenue and not look at cutting operational costs alone," said a senior AI commander, choosing not to be identified."

The Senior Commander doesnt really understand profitability. AI have to reduce costs to what revenue they can realistically achieve on that route. The article sort of hints that selling the extra premium seating on the 777's is a problem for AI. Hope some sense prevails at AI HQ.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 100
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 20073 times:
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Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 10):
Based on the numbers in the article, it costs about $135 million less annually to operate this route with 787 than 777.

   My numbers were a bit less, I'll have to go sharpen my pencil. Note: I'm talking a figure of say $90 million and not claiming there is not a significant cost difference.

Edit: Is this difference due to the Indian tax on jet fuel? What is the tax rate per gallon/pound/ton?

Either way, it shows the 77L/77E must either be flying long haul or should have been the 77W that has the volume for the revenue. DEL-FRA is simply not a long enough route to 'stretch the legs' of the 77L. Heck, its well within A333 range!

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 10):
AI would have to sell each of these 25 extra F/J seats for about $15,000(one way) to offset the operational cost savings over 788.

Not possible. EI simply doesn't have that RASM.

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 10):
But the target should be to bolster revenue and not look at cutting operational costs alone," said a senior AI commander, choosing not to be identified.

I think now that J is at the level of sales, this individual is upset that there are not available seats. If the seats were not sold, there is no 'dip in revenue.' Since pilots have an income incentive to fly the 777, they will justify the plane when it is a money loser.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 11):
So is EY still deciding which of the two girls it is going to bed with?

I think EY is trying to get the cost of the preferred one down...

Lightsaber

[Edited 2012-12-20 06:59:44]


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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 20028 times:

Quoting Ilove747 (Reply 12):
The Senior Commander doesnt really understand profitability. AI have to reduce costs to what revenue they can realistically achieve on that route.

Indeed

Thankfully, it is not in the job description of a pilot to understand revenue management functions  
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 13):
Edit: Is this difference due to the Indian tax on jet fuel? What is the tax rate per gallon/pound/ton?

Tax rate is ridiculously high. Depending on the state, it can range between 20 and 35%.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 19979 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 11):

EY is probably thinking about how not to waste its money.....



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 100
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 19895 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):
Tax rate is ridiculously high. Depending on the state, it can range between 20 and 35%.

Thank you. A 35% tax 'closes the gap' so to speak. I'm just having trouble believing India has done that to its airlines. That handicaps their airlines on long haul.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlinebrahmin From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 19882 times:

The Senior Commander should know that AI cannot sell a single seat while he is on strike. He should keep to his flying and shut his mouth.

AI should make DEL their aircrew base so that AI does not have to ferry crew to Delhi and spend on hotels..


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19839 times:

Quoting brahmin (Reply 17):

AI should make DEL their aircrew base so that AI does not have to ferry crew to Delhi and spend on hotels..

Thats what smart Airlines do.....Base the crew in their Hometown where maximum possible, also creating Company guest houses help.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19825 times:

Given the above discussion, just FYI, there is a gap between ATF prices for international and domestic services. Certain taxes are not applicable on international services.

Prices taken from IOCL website

Prices in Rs/kl for ATF for domestic ops

Applicable from: December 01, 2012

Delhi 67709.12
Kolkata 75166.19
Mumbai 68392.80
Chennai 71775.03

Prices in $/kl for ATF for international ops

Applicable from: December 01, 2012

Delhi 951.48
Kolkata 996.78
Mumbai 952.33
Chennai 953.19

At today's USD:INR exchange rate of 1:55.12 that means ATF costs Rs 52445.58/kl for international operations, which is by my math 29% per cent more - basically no local sales tax or various cess items.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 19755 times:

Thanks a lot for that cricket,

Much appreciate the figures

Karan


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 314 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 19602 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
Thank you. A 35% tax 'closes the gap' so to speak. I'm just having trouble believing India has done that to its airlines. That handicaps their airlines on long haul.

Foreign flights are exempt from state VAT and central sales tax. I am not sure about the excise duty. Indian Oil has a page showing domestic and international prices in Rs. and USD per Kilo-litre. There is a small doubt. IOCL site shows price to "foreign airlines" but I am reasonably sure it applies to "foreign flights"

http://www.iocl.com/Products/ATFInternationalPrices.aspx http://www.iocl.com/Products/ATFDomesticPrices.aspx

This is based on the premise that taxes should not be exported. Cricket, you can please check and confirm, but I think this is part of the WTO requirements.

Sorry for a long explanation, but laws are convoluted. There are two different sets of taxes. One is Federal (Central in India) and one state.

Federal Taxes will include customs duty on the imports whether it be crude, or a finished product. Imports will also pay a countervailing duty (CVD) which is equal to the rate of excise duty, a manufacturing tax charged on domestic production. Imports are also subject to Special Additional Duty, aptly abbreviated to SAD, which is equal to the rate of the state VAT payable in the state in which the goods have landed for clearance. However, re-sellers/traders are allowed to claim this amount back, since they will pay VAT when they re-sell the product. For interstate sales there is a Central Sales Tax which is equal to the rate of VAT charged in the originating or destined state, whichever is higher.

This CVD+SAD is to make the taxation on imports equal to what gets charged on a domestic product, for a level playing field.

So if someone imports ATF in finished form they will pay Customs+CVD+SAD. If a refinery imports crude and cracks it domestically, they will pay customs in the crude and then excise duty + State VAT or Central Sales Tax (for interstate sales) on the ATF.

Another significant reason for ATF to be high is that the oil marketing companies (OMCs) like Indian Oil, et. al., who are bleeding due to the government's populist profligacy on kerosene and diesel, charge a whopping 15%~20% profit margin on ATF which the government is happy to let them, since flying, in their eyes, is a luxury for the rich.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 14):
Thankfully, it is not in the job description of a pilot to understand revenue management functions

Oh, but it is Rohit, cost management absolutely is. Ask any pilot from IndiGo or RyanAir on how tight their leashes are. From the flight characteristics (routing, altitude, continuous descent, etc.) there is a constant competition amongst pilots in the world on who uses the least fuel. Most airlines in India today taxi on one engine, after landing, for fuel savings.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 5):
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Thanks Rohit.



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User currently offlineaeroblogger From India, joined Dec 2011, 1363 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 19524 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 21):
Oh, but it is Rohit, cost management absolutely is. Ask any pilot from IndiGo or RyanAir on how tight their leashes are. From the flight characteristics (routing, altitude, continuous descent, etc.) there is a constant competition amongst pilots in the world on who uses the least fuel. Most airlines in India today taxi on one engine, after landing, for fuel savings.

"how tight their leashes..."

Precisely my point. Management sets SOP, pilots carry it out. Certainly, I'd hope that most understand basic economics (if I use less fuel, the fuel cost will be less), but the comment he made clearly shows that he doesn't understand the revenue generation issues AI faces. Just because a seat is there, doesn't mean it will be filled.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31568 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 19380 times:

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 22):

Dont forget how use of TR during taxing, single engine taxi to bay,slow taxying speeds and minimum use of breaks matter too.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12414 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 19248 times:
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Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 22):
Just because a seat is there, doesn't mean it will be filled.

I have a serious question and I'm not sure how to ask it... There has been discussion here on how AI gives seats to political influence. Does having fewer J seats DEL-FRA mean that AI has a chance to sell them first? If the added seats had to be given away an now all the seats (or most) are sold, it is a benefit to cut costs if it is revenue neutral. I speculate that AI hasn't lost any revenue. Not from lack of demand, but lack of demand from customers who had to pay (couldn't use political influence for free seats).

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 21):
Foreign flights are exempt from state VAT and central sales tax.

Thank you. Then the gap opens and I'm calculating a narrow cost difference between the 788 and 77L. Hmmm...   

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25 Karan69 : sadly with AI this will never stop, a friend of mine once told me there were 32 freeloaders or sub loaders in J on an LR flight to JFK, , 32 out of 3
26 AirIndia : LOL..... so pax with revenue potential are the real subloaders on AI..... real shame.
27 sturmovik : Not to sidetrack the extremely interesting discussion going on ..but I had a quick question. Just landed in MAA a coupla hours ago and saw both the AI
28 BLRAviation : The AI 332s are frequently used as a replacement for the Dreamliner. Also used on the Haj routes. Smell like flying lavatories.
29 Post contains images sturmovik : Thanks for that info, will certainly not venture on the 332s then . Still haven't managed to get on the AI 787 yet, how often do they get yanked from
30 Post contains links Cricket : The Aviation Minister has expressed doubts over the revival plan that KIngfisher Airlines has submitted to the DGCA. http://in.reuters.com/article/201
31 Post contains links LAXDESI : Jet Airways set to fly Mangalore-Dubai from January 3. http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes...january-3/articleshow/17769475.cms Quote: Private carrie
32 Post contains images 9w748capt : Do you know how service is on 9W flights to the ME? I might fly 9W on BOM-AUH as part of an itinerary involving EY and AA on the way back in March. S
33 blrBird : Does anyone know when SQ switched 772/773 to 333 on SIN-MAA route?
34 Karan69 : The 332s are scheduled to do double daily MAA-SIN and single daily BOM-SIN with random domestic runs in between Karan
35 HAWK21M : Noticed even VT-OBE parked in a dusty and poor state at Apron L along with two other KF A320/321s.
36 Post contains images aeroblogger : Not anymore They were sent in for heavy cleaning before Christmas-New Year holiday season.
37 Post contains links ojas : Effective 18JAN, 9W will launch a second daily flight between DEL and DXB. With this 9W will operate 42 weekly flights out of DXB to India. 9W 546 DEL
38 ojas : According to the GDS, Effective 18JAN, WY will increase DEL and MAA frorm daily to double daily each on the B738. Next in line are GOI and IXE.
39 BLRAviation : Something wrong with this number Ojas. 9W already had 5 daily to DXB (4 BOM 1 DEL) when they added 6 weekly IXE-DXB = 41. Now second daily DEL-DXB wi
40 ojas : Yes it is indeed 48 weekly, I had not counted the IXE - DXB flight, my bad.
41 Post contains images lightsaber : What!?! Who would pay for J on AI if that were the case?!? J passengers tend to need to get where they are going rested and on time! That is just wro
42 AirIndia : Probably want to ramp up DXB operations before going to bed with EY.... coz then they might have to focus on AUH...
43 aeroblogger : People who aren't politicians/politicians' friends? And AI's product usually delivers that... 81% OTP, comfortable seats... Whether the customer is p
44 Nimish : Jeez - is this still the case? Hopefully things have been cleaned up (somewhat) at AI?
45 na : In the past 10 days I had 3 domestic flights in India, one with a Spice Jet 738, the others with A320s from Indigo and Go Air. All planes were less th
46 AirIndia : Wadias will be happy to see this. Atleast it apears slowly and steadily Go Air is getting its act together and becoming a player of repute.
47 HAWK21M : Are you referring on basis of seat pitch/leg room or seat width.
48 ojas : 9W is using the existing rights to DXB, nothing new has been granted to them per se. 9W are allowed 42 weekly flights to DXB and were operating the s
49 Post contains links ojas : http://www.business-standard.com/ind...-rejig-routes-to-singapore/497371/ 6E will replace BOM/DEL - SIN to HYD/MAA - SIN. So Singapore is not being te
50 aeroblogger : They have... Hence the "once" in OP. Freeloaders are still there, mostly powerful political figures, but there are a lot more restrictions now. Even
51 ojas : If they are subloaders, they are checked-in 10 minutes prior to closure of check-in, wherein a revenue passenger will not come in for a last minute t
52 na : On seat width, seat pitch was at the lower extreme on all planes. Flying on an LCC in densest configuration, at least from now on the 737 is a no-go
53 lightsaber : But I was replying to them getting bumped by those politicians and the politician's friends. Who would pay for J when there is more than a more than
54 ojas : Depends on the political pressure. But then an airport in India is declared international only after it meets certain standards (runway length, termi
55 aeroblogger : There is a 0% chance of getting bumped, except equipment swap. AI does not oversell J.
56 AirIndia : Recently on a long weekend in UAE, a certain sector on EK flight had 40+ subloaders.... all made the flight.
57 Post contains images BLRAviation : Just to begin the new year on a conspiracy theory. Is it possible that MoCA is giving DXB permissions to ensure the Indian side of DXB quota is fille
58 Post contains links BLRAviation : Boeing 737s have 17" seat and depending on airline seat pitch is typically 31" for LCC and 32" or 33" for legacy. Total 189 seats. FR reduces to 30"
59 Post contains images karan69 : Yes things got a lot better after Jadhav had taken charge, he made some very good operational sound decisions , however staff hated him and without a
60 ojas : Either ways, how would it matter? Whether they were entitled for Y and got into J is something to be investigated (that is if there is an iota of int
61 Post contains links AirIndia : That was among Ajit Singhs first few statements after becoming MoCA that let the indian carriers start using their quota.... http://www.indianexpress
62 HAWK21M : Agreed. seems like a Type issue ..... Any pics?.
63 aeroblogger : I think Nandan has done a better job than Jadhav could have dreamed of. Being able to command support of workgroups and the government is a critical
64 karan69 : Yup Devesh, Comfort wise A 9 abreast 787 is a kin to a 10 abreast 77W, just like a 10 abreast 350xwb would be like a 9 abreast 330 320s are defi more
65 karan69 : Guys I posted on the Turkish Aviation thread that some sources suggest the 9W has signed a 4 aircraft deal with TK for the 777s, these are the ones th
66 Post contains links Cricket : Firstly, Happy New Year to everyone, I was on my annual "offline" vacation. Secondly, my first question of the year. Anyone here know which lounges in
67 Post contains links thenoflyzone : Anyone know what is going on with AI and YYZ. They were supposed to resume DEL-YYZ in March, but they have canceled those plans. There is now no plann
68 Post contains links JOYA380B747 : http://www.prioritypass.com/Lounges/
69 Post contains links 777way : JAL intertested in Bangalore and Chennai http://japandailypress.com/japan-air...eloping-asia-for-expansion-1716384
70 Nimish : Awesome news - though I was selfishly hoping it would be a *A carrier that starts BLR - even UA from it's massive hub at NRT, or ideally NH with thei
71 Post contains links pnqiad : Apparently EY is now in talks with 9W for a stake... http://profit.ndtv.com/news/corporat...th-etihad-315566?pfrom=home-latest
72 brahmin : My friend got bumped today, 4 Jan., on AI 191 from BOM to EWR. AI sent them home and said that they might possibly get a seat tomorrow. My friend is t
73 aeroblogger : I'm 1.8m, 65kgs - not so different... I already responded to this on FT, but I forgot to add: when flying without status always on-line check in, esp
74 Post contains links BLRAviation : DCGA has a CAR (Civil Aviation Requirement) on facilities to be provided to passengers denied boarding or for delayed flights. http://www.bangaloreav
75 ACT7 : It's bizarre. I'm hearing that AI has major issues with that flight starting in Amritsar and has been wanting to get rid of that leg for quite some t
76 HAWK21M : Amazingly no foreign Airline FDI interests in Indian operators so far materializing......
77 ojas : Effective 01MAR, IndiGo Airlines will start daily flights between DXB and TRV. Also on the same day 6E will start it's second flight between BOM and D
78 Post contains links himmat01 : Has AI finally got rid of the B777-237LRs? This blog seems to suggest that Aerosvit is acquiring them, http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/blogs/john
79 Post contains links AirIndia : Thread is moving a bit slow..... From todays news: QR interested in a spicy meal.... NG already informed BSE about EY's intentions http://timesofindia
80 Post contains links and images flyhigh@tom : Air India back to its games again: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...81.ece?ref=wl_industry-and-economy quote: In a move that could generate more
81 caliatenza : would UA ever start BLR, seeing as 3 Star carriers (LH, SQ and TG) already service BLR? Moreover, any new news about TK starting BLR? I know last i h
82 Nimish : I don't think TK has any plans for BLR
83 Cricket : I just flew in and out of CCU; the new terminal seems to have much of the civil work, that is the structure complete but contact gates are just being
84 golfradio : Thanks for the link. Really interesting news if confirmed. Aerosvit is not doing too well and I am not sure if they are out of bankruptcy. How are th
85 caliatenza : there was a meeting not too long ago between Turkish and Indian officials; the Turkish side mentioned that TK was looking to expand to CCU, BLR, MAA
86 Post contains links and images Cricket : Quick question - I saw two of the CD (Air India Express) CRJ-700's parked at the domestic hangers in DEL - VT-RJC without both engines and VT-RJD with
87 Post contains links and images caliatenza : http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...y-an-hour/articleshow/18055080.cms wow...this is a doozy, but its AI .
88 Post contains links caliatenza : http://ttgasia.com/article.php?article_id=20269 "Turkish Airlines has also applied for approval to double the number of daily flights it runs from New
89 himmat01 : I really doubt this story. A pilot even in AI simply cannot overrule the instruction from crew scheduling. Let us assume that she did disobey the ins
90 caliatenza : So TOI is making up a fake story (It is TOI, but still...). ?
91 aeroblogger : It's Mumbai Mirror which originally made this news.
92 Post contains images HAWK21M : The usual TOI "sources" story
93 Post contains images VTORD : This is my first post on A.net so please excuse my ignorance. A year ago I travelled to BOM on DL-AF via CDG and they charged me $60 for my second bag
94 aeroblogger : This rule was never in place A3*G will give you 3 bags free. A couple trips to India should do it...
95 HAWK21M : Is VJMs ACJ still flying....as I noticed something similiar storage-parked at VABB on Apron L yesterday.
96 Post contains links Cricket : This was the Business Standard story a few days ago, a lot of controversy around the aircraft. I heard that Mallya has taken a few 6E flights recentl
97 Post contains images VTORD : LOL!
98 Post contains links Cricket : Interesting Supreme Court ruling on airline fares in India. Airlines will likely now have to lump all the overheads into one consolidated fare, which
99 Post contains links LAXDESI : Jet Airways expects nearly $300 million for its 24% stake sale to Ethiad. Are slots easily available at Munich? http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes..
100 COEWR787 : So did the President get around to inaugurating the new T2 at CCU on the 24th as was scheduled, or did that slip again?
101 JOYA380B747 : Oh no it happened on time with a CCU-DEL-LHR AI flight being the first one to operate from there. But strangely regular ops are still from the old te
102 aeroblogger : AI021 is CCU-DEL. There is no LHR segment which has anything to do with the flight.
103 HAWK21M : Whats the news on this Airline now.....
104 LJ : No, but maybe AB has some slots left which 9W can use.
105 JOYA380B747 : Well I didnt really check flight no, but was saying what I read on one of the incompetent dailies.
106 Post contains images aeroblogger : Happy Republic Day! [Edited 2013-01-26 18:04:58]
107 Cricket : I thought some of the CR7's were still being used on regional flights - I do believe that the masses of old CRJ's and E145's can be successfully util
108 flyguy1 : Saw something on the OAG thread, that 9W is resuming JFK. Is this true?
109 9w748capt : Would this be viable - given their high CASM and high taxes/fuel costs in India - and also that fares in India continue to be probably too low? I wou
110 HAWK21M : Howtrue is this rumour of FedEx partnering a courier company & using FDI domestically.....along with POBC....
111 Post contains links aeroblogger : 9W technicians and pilots threaten strike: http://www.livemint.com/Companies/Zv...lack-bands-pilots-call-for-me.html Non-payment of salaries causing p
112 BLRAviation : Does not FedEx already own Blue Dart or a part of it?
113 Post contains links Cricket : Today's Times of India had an item on AI Cabin Crew in Chicago getting into a fight with cops called in etc., they might get banned from entering the
114 himmat01 : I think DHL partly owns Blue Dart. Blue Dart had some kind of an agreement with FedEx back in the 1990s.
115 Post contains links Cricket : It appears that 'Sexy' is one of the first airlines in the world to take delivery of a sharklet-equipped A320; anyone know the registration? http://ec
116 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : errr...don't understand the 'sexy' remark for indigo...has it got anything to do with the airline? Worldwide air asia first started operating 320s wi
117 Cricket : Their code '6E' was chosen for a reason by Rahul Bhatia, say is fast and you know why all of us in the aviation journalism space call them 'Sexy'
118 Post contains images flyhigh@tom : yup 6E 6E 6E got it !!!! LOL Initially reading your post i thought maybe the new aircraft was registered VT-SXY or maybe they were running some ads o
119 Post contains links Cricket : Apparently VJM hurt his leg in Goa recently, no accurate source, but still a beer in his hand... http://t.co/wRH0MBvE
120 BLRAviation : Yes. Thanks for correcting me. I meant DHL owning Blue Dart. FedEx since then joined hands with Pafex (Prakash Air Freight Express) and now has its o
121 HAWK21M : Salaries are being paid to 9W staff mid month post 15th.....for many months now. Blue Dart is Owned by DHL. FeDex is planning a domestic start up car
122 Cricket : Cheers, will read your a bit more often Dev
123 BLRAviation : Thanks. Look forward to your critical analysis and comments. BTW, GoAir has taken delivery of its first A320 Sharklet VT-GOL today.
124 Cricket : Interesting, been hearing rumours that as Go keeps increasing their fleet they might get permission to operate some international sectors soon...
125 Post contains links Cricket : This story appeared in Times of India today claiming that Paramount Airways MD M Thiagrajan has met officials from the MoCA and DGCA and claims that h
126 aeroblogger : There was something reported about Paramount winning a lawsuit and using that money to restart IIRC...
127 Cricket : That was the first case against GECAS IIRC, but that was back in 2009/10. Even then, this restart will involve A321's and ATR's apparently
128 Post contains links aeroblogger : No, I was talking about the more recent LCIA ruling. http://www.business-standard.com/ind...ht-be-revivedlawsuit-money/496569/ 1650 crore is enough t
129 comorin : Returned to BLR on BA yesterday early a.m. and saw a billboard on NH 7 for some kind of an air show next week. Can anyone kindly enlighten me about th
130 aeroblogger : https://www.aeroindia.in/Default.aspx Admission policy is as follows: https://www.aeroindia.in/ADMISSIONPOLICY.pdf
131 comorin : Thank you for that! I looked at the website and will try to figure out how to get a ticket for the weekend. Regards
132 Post contains images HAWK21M : Dont forget the pictures......
133 ojas : Didn't notice this one. According to the GDS, Oman Air has also increased MCT - HYD flights from daily to double daily effective February. Total weekl
134 Post contains images comorin : I will be using my smartphone to take pictures Planning to go on Thursday.
135 Post contains links HAWK21M : Looks like Quikjet is lanning on starting finally. http://www.quikjet.co.in/
136 HAWK21M : Where is the AERO-INDIA 2013 thread on this site...
137 comorin : Man, I hear you. I was hoping some of our BLR based a.netters would post pictures at least. So I did attend the show and had a great time. The airsho
138 Post contains images HAWK21M : Undoubtly. Surprised ....I thought it would be Indian film music I've seen folks post great pics...but not out here unfortunately.
139 sankaps : All -- I am looking for int'l pax traffic numbers for Indian airports, esp CCU. Any tips on where I can get this info? Specifically looking for number
140 Post contains links VTORD : You might find what you are looking for at Indiastat.com but there is a pretty decent membership fee associated to actually get the information: http
141 AirIndia : i thought the british ambassadors and commissioners were mandated to drive around in Brit cars. The ambassador gets a Rolls Royce, the high commissio
142 comorin : Yes, the British HC in Delhi has a vintage Roller. The BMW in Bangalore had a Union Jack on it - just denotes the car he is traveling in. High Commis
143 caliatenza : any updates on new routes from BLR? I seem to recall that Virgin Atlantic wanted to start a route from BLR to LHR...
144 AirIndia : This is interesting to know. Thanks.
145 Post contains links BLRAviation : CCU International Pax Nov 2012 143,097 Nov 2011 130,088 Cumm. Apr~Nov 2012 1,073,524 2011 1,000,593 Hope this helps. Check the traffic news section o
146 Post contains links Cricket : Interesting story by Sindhu, makes sense in the light of Indigo being denied acquisition rights for some of the newer planes - they might be forced to
147 sankaps : Thanks, BLR -- much appreciated.
148 Post contains links CaliAtenza : http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...airlines-wants-to-start-tokyo.html "Japan Airlines (JAL) wants to start a Bangalore Tokyo service, but does not
149 anshuk : I'm glad you got to go! I've been to every edition since the first in 1996 (may have been 1995), and I was gutted to have missed this one. The show h
150 sankaps : It is the latter. What he is basically saying is he does not want to allocate capacty on the high yield Japan-Transpacific flights to lower yield Ind
151 Post contains images Gr8Circle : Similarly, India has a "High Commission" in Ottawa and Canada has a "High Commission" in New Delhi.....
152 sturmovik : Just landed in BLR this afternoon from DEL, and spotted two unusual aircraft on the ramp. One was a UN B763 parked opposite where the aerobridges are,
153 Post contains links Cricket : The 9W-EY deal is stuck because Etihad wants gurantees of its investments - fair enough - but reading between the lines I'm wondering whether they're
154 Post contains links ojas : Spicejet announces LKO and VNS - SHJ from March 2013 Spicejet (India)Announces New Destination: Sharjah (by ojas Feb 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)
155 Nimish : As rumors go, I've heard many different rumors implicating 9W mgmt - including * 9W refusing to let go of any mgmt control/ decision making process/
156 Post contains links Cricket : An AI A320 driver with over 2000 hours (something I verified) who recently moved to the 787 has made a rap video dissing management and the 'aunties'.
157 Post contains links ojas : Posting the link again Spicejet (India)Announces New Destination: Sharjah (by ojas Feb 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)
158 HAWK21M : Tough without pay for 5-6 months though.......
159 Post contains links aviationbuff : AirAsia to invest in joint venture with Tata group to start airline in India http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...-in-India/articleshow/18591933.cms
160 sankaps : Tatas tried earlier too in the 1990s, to take over and privatise Air India in partnership with Singapore Airlines. The aviation ministry scuttled tha
161 BLRAviation : I have written a contrary opinion piece. Forum rules prevent me from posting the link but a small snippet ---- While the FDI by foreign airlines in I
162 CaliAtenza : Looks like the ex-IT guys and gals have a place to go now, with Air Asia India possibly starting up.
163 Post contains links golfradio : The macro economic conditions have dramatically changed since the last time Tata's considered investing in this industry. In today's times this is a s
164 golfradio : I would like to disagree. This basically means that every new player has to be punished just because others before them suffered? This is like saying
165 tayaramecanici : In 1996, when the privatisation of AI was being mulled. 4 Major Indian industrial houses were part of the bidding teams Tatas, Lakshmi Mittal, Hinduj
166 sankaps : I was with you until this comment. I think you are likely in a tiny minority in willing to put money on KF rather than 9W. KF is dead.
167 gr8circle : Are you serious? You're saying that a brand like IT, which is dead in the water, is better than a live brand like 9W which was always better than IT
168 Post contains images BLRAviation : Basically, what I said the India AirAsia deal is contravened to the stated goals of the policy of allowing foreign airlines to invest. Please see the
169 sankaps : This is tangential to the topic,but the same argument could be made by other S Asian nations (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) against India. It is a slippery
170 BLRAviation : Pointed noted sir.
171 Post contains images BLRAviation : Tarun Shukla at the Mint has compiled an interesting infographic about IT's aircraft littered across the country and some across the world. Not sure i
172 tayaramecanici : Another GATEKEEPER statement, probably i've more of my money in the said Indian Banks than the taxes paid by some till date. The boom of last 10yrs i
173 sankaps : I am intrigued and puzzled by how slow (as in less activity) these Indian Aviation threads have become. Until not that long ago this was one of the mo
174 freqflyer : I have felt the same way for long, but put it down to the postings on airliners-india.net forum. A lot of the contribution that is made there could h
175 JOYA380B747 : I believe a lot of a.netters have become weary of the cloud of uncertainty that surrounds Indian aviation developments in all the right ways so much
176 vin2basketball : Etihad+Jet -- it's a negotiation -- the Indian media rushed to announce it as a done deal before it really was. Air Costa and the like -- p*ssing mon
177 Nimish : A lot of discussion still takes place on the airliners-india forums. Besides, while there's some activity in the market, there's also a lot of pessim
178 sankaps : Vin2, your post is exactly the kind of post I, and suspect many others, have been missing on this thread! Yes, trust the Indian media to jump the gun
179 Post contains links Cricket : They might as well wind up Kingfisher now, all domestic slots and international rights they had have been withdrawn, a statement by MoCA Ajit Singh ha
180 comorin : Feb 28th: Air India gets allocated Rs 5,000 Crore ($1 billion) as an equity infusion in the Union 2013-14 Budget. Any hopes or prayers for AI's early
181 Cricket : Good news for Air India, but why is my tax money being used for this?
182 Post contains images gr8circle : It's so amazing that Kingfisher has been dead for several months now and VM unable to do anything about it, not paying his staff, etc. and yet there
183 Post contains images BLRAviation : New name for 9W Jetihad
184 LJ : Don't know if it has already mentioned but accoridng to a Dutch website 9W sold its LHR slots to EY and leased them back. As a result 9W will get USD7
185 lightsaber : Very interesting. Any update on the fate of the aircraft? If will impact *all* Indian airlines leasing/finance costs if those aircraft cannot be repo
186 aeroblogger : Before 2008, AI/IC combined had directly received less than $100 million from the government. However, the fact that government employees are require
187 Cricket : Nice One! I hope this ius the last time taxpayer funds are being used. That said, if Ai is our national carrier it should not be treated as a 'step s
188 gr8circle : AI will stop getting cash infusions and subsidies from the GOI the day that they caese to be a public sector company....till then, they will continue
189 Post contains links aeroblogger : AirAsia-Tata: Cats and Monkeys Interesting commentary on Indian Av. On all gov't and PSU funded trips, AI must be used if the schedule is feasible.
190 rahulrahul : Does anybody know when Air Costa is starting up?
191 Post contains images lightsaber : That is in the bilateral. If India halts a foreign airline that has its nations approval to fly then the other nation could halt the air service agre
192 CaliAtenza : So we heard (there was a thread on here about that) of the Turkish and Indian governments allowing Turkish to increase services to BOM and DEL to 2x d
193 Post contains links Cricket : And, surprise, surprise - 9W asks for Kingfisher's slots. Naresh Goyal who was once publicly humiliated by VJM will like to turn the knife in - howeve
194 sankaps : This whole LHR slot-selling thing... at least in the case of UK-India, aren't the slots, right, and assignments governed by bilaterals / regulatory b
195 gr8circle : Ok, this must be a relatively recent directive......8 odd years back when I was still in India, I know for sure that state government employees in Ma
196 comorin : Central Government employees are to travel by Air India to foreign destinations unless there are operational reasons, which require approval from the
197 Post contains links Cricket : Such fun, first Naresh Goyal wants KFA's slots in BOM and now he has taken over two ATR's previously operated by KFA - anyone know the registrations o
198 HAWK21M : Looks like 9W is getting the KF ATRs cheap.....Nice move.
199 Post contains links aviationbuff : AirAsia-Tata joint venture gets govt's nod to start new airline http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...w-airline/articleshow/18829054.cms This would b
200 vtnyc : Since this thread started in December and now should be ending in March, how about naming the next set of threads by the month and year that they star
201 aviationbuff : As per the anet guidelines the thread should have around 200 posts before giving way to a new thread. Your suggestion is valid. Instead of months how
202 LAXDESI : I am fine with anything that will sustain the thread. Hope to contribute in future when things are less busy for me.
203 Post contains images AirIndia :
204 Post contains images fortunerunnner : Like this idea too.
205 HAWK21M : Anyone having the list of permissions needed by an Airline to get thru before commencing operation....I think Sean had posted it someplace yrs ago.
206 Post contains links lightsaber : Picking up 2 from the leasing company is all I see. What about the others? http://www.travelbizmonitor.com/jet-...leased-to-kingfisher-airways-19581
207 airdfw : Is AI still flying 747 for regular passenger service?
208 aeroblogger : yes, to saudi
209 HAWK21M : They sure are.
210 Post contains links aeroblogger : Part 103 is open: Indian Aviation Thread Part 103 (by aeroblogger Mar 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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