TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4105 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (5 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2952 times:
I wonder why TK dropped all of the wide body TLV flights?
But now it is very convenient with 32 x weekly TLV-IST flights, first flight at 5:50am, last one at 9:20pm; with a mixture of 738/321s.
LH must be using wide bodies??
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (5 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2696 times:
It´s quite weird to me that LH drop the widebodies specially on both FRA sector, Offering a great Business class service and good cargo uplift seems to me a good strategy to get good yields in an usually very profitable market, almost all the european airlines use big jets to TLV, specially to allow connectivity beyond the home hubs to USA and South America. As mention here Swiss flies two daily A333 for example.
I´m sure that TK must be stealing many of the pax from European carriers because they can connect at IST to so many destinations but to fight with that you need to offer a better product, I think sooner or later we will see a LH A333 on TLV again specially the one that arrives in FRA for time to connect to the west.
TK here has a major advantage over LH/LX or any other Central European carrier. TK does not only fly PAX to America or Europe, but to Asia.
Even if TLV-IST-Asia is a detour to Asia... for obvious reasons there is not much connectivity from Israel to the East... ADD (Ethiopian), AMM (Royal Jordanian), MOW (Aeroflot/Transaero) and LY's services. That's all. TK offers by far the most destinations and even compared to Moscow (not to mention Germany or Switzerland) is a much shorter trip.
I know that´s what i said connecting to the west, but you´re very right, here TK must be doing a lot of money, because anyone willing to travel East, TK is a very good option, actually one of the few options, and with the growing network i can see more and more people using this way.
I know many airlines offer Kosher food on board as an option when you do your booking or in all the flights to TLV, do you think TK has this option??
peterinlisbon From Portugal, joined Jan 2006, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1653 times:
The problem with Israel is that to fly East it is necessary to make a detour around countries like Syria, Iraq, Saudi Arabia or Iran. If you look at El Al's flights to Bangkok, they fly down the centre of the Red Sea all the way out to the Indian Ocean before they can turn East towards India, and their flight to Beijing goes north towards Russia to avoid Syria and Iran (enemy territory, as they say). So I guess that Istanbul, as it is relatively close, can offer connections to pretty much anywhere in Europe, Russia and Asia plus it is known for its good service, so it's a winning combination. In this market they don't have Emirates, Etihad or Qatar Airways to compete with!
Aren't IATA members supposed to provide special meals as defined in IATA regulations? Just wondering.
It's entirely up to the carrier. IATA is a trade association and has no authority make binding regulations. All they can do is make recommendations.
In the old days they did make those types of standards binding and IATA member airlines could be fined if they violated the rules (or undercut IATA-agreed fares), but those policies were all eliminated over the years as they were considered anti-competitive by many governments with deregulation becoming widespread.
A few airlines were fined in the 1960s or so for offering economy class meals that were too elaborate. They had to have meetings to agree on the definition of a "sandwich".
Baggage rules also used to be uniform worldwide on international routes based on IATA agreements. Now everyone is doing something different.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 18, posted (5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1176 times:
TK offers some very tempting business class fares to TLV. Since LH switched to a boring 321 and still charging more or less the same, TK is a good option., especially since the difference pays for three nights in a 5* hotel in TLV.
I doubt that the penny pinchers and pencil pushers at LH did the airline a favor by withdrawing the 747/346 from TLV. To cope for the lost freight uplift, LCAG had to send 3 x weekly MD11. Thats an inferior service for Israeli shippes vs. the twice daily belly capacity. It could well be that LH passenger made the calculation without LH Cargo.