Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
FedEx Announce Order For Four 767 Freighters  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11724 posts, RR: 33
Posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14164 times:

FedEx buys another four 767 freighters:

Quote:
SEATTLE, Dec. 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and FedEx Express, a wholly owned subsidiary of FedEx Corp., today announced an order for four 767 Freighters. The order is part of FedEx's initiative to modernize its fleet.

"These additional 767 orders will help accelerate our fleet modernization program as we replace our aging MD-10 freighter fleet," said James R. Parker, FedEx Express executive vice president, air operations. "These new 767s will provide significantly improved reliability and are substantially more fuel-efficient than the aircraft they will replace. They will be an excellent addition to the FedEx fleet."

The addition of the 767 Freighters will enable FedEx to replace its less efficient medium widebody cargo airplanes with freighters that provide fuel, maintenance and other cost savings. The freighters also increase efficiency by sharing spare parts, tooling and flight simulators with the Boeing 757s that are part of the FedEx air fleet.

"The 767 Freighter is an ideal fit for FedEx Express," said Brad McMullen, vice president of North America Sales for Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "It will provide a more efficient freighter for FedEx Express's fleet modernization efforts and help align its network with anticipated cargo volumes."

The 767 Freighter is based on the popular 767-300ER (extended range) passenger airplane. Able to carry approximately 58 tons (52.7 tonnes) of revenue cargo with intercontinental range, the 767-300 Freighter is ideal for developing new long-haul, regional or feeder markets.
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=2537


Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
56 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31014 posts, RR: 87
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 14174 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Considering how many A300-600RF, A310-200F, A310-300F and MD-10-10F freighters FX has, I fully expected them to add more so I see this as just the latest tranche with more to come.

User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13838 times:

Odd with their large Airbus fleet they didn't go with the A330F. Not surprising though, the 767 will become their new DC-10.


737MAX, Cool Planes for the Worlds Coolest Airline.
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13144 posts, RR: 100
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13844 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

I agree with Stitch that this is just the latest tranche in a line of orders.

What is the delivery time frame?

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineB6WNQX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13821 times:

Could they pick up second hand 763ER and convert them to F?

User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13698 times:

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 4):
Could they pick up second hand 763ER and convert them to F?

Yes. Boeing has a Boeing Converted Freighter program for the 763, although I believe the only customer who has used it was NH for just a few frames.

Although, I am sure Boeing is offering dirt cheap deals for brand new 763 freighters, so it might be worth it for FX to go that route.



SA-227; B1900; Q200; Q400; CRJ-2,7,9; 717; 727-2; 737-3,4,5,7,8,9; 747-2; 757-2,3; 767-3,4; MD-90; A319, 320; DC-9; DC-1
User currently offlinewrenchon727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13582 times:

With what FDX has learned with operating the 757 with so many configurations, unless you can aquire a large block of aircraft buying them new goes a long way in operating a standerdized fleet.

[Edited 2012-12-19 08:17:28]

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31014 posts, RR: 87
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 13543 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):
Odd with their large Airbus fleet they didn't go with the A330F.

In terms of total available cargo volume, the 767-300F is larger than the A300F and A310F by a pretty fair margin. It's design payload is also higher and it's design range is significantly longer. Yes, the A330-200F exceeds the 767-300F in all three categories, but availability is tighter and it's list price is 20% higher.

Quoting B6WNQX (Reply 4):
Could they pick up second hand 763ER and convert them to F?

As MountainFlyer noted, Boeing and ST Aerospace have developed a Boeing Converted Freighter option for the 767-300ER with NH having taken seven. Bedek Aviation Group has converted eight 767-300ERs to BDSF freighter configuration (six operated by carriers owned by Air Transport Services Group, and one each operated by Euroatlantic Airways and Gestair).


User currently offlineiceberg210 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13256 times:

This makes for 46 767-300ERF's now for Fed Ex, in tranches of 27 (2011), 15 (2012) and 4 (2012.

Congratulations to the 767 that keeps on humming along, it's amazing how well this plane has done and really always under the radar...

Also makes you wonder if UPS is going to pick any more up they are down to just a backlog of 8 out of their last order for 27. Wouldn't be surprised if we see UPS pick up a few more over the next couple years...



Erik Berg (Foster's is over but never forgotten)
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31014 posts, RR: 87
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 13237 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't be surprised if we see UPS pick up a few more over the next couple years...

They also have a large fleet of A300-600RFs that will eventually need replacing, so I would agree that they likely will add more down the road.


User currently offlineSXDFC From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 2356 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13018 times:

I wonder if they will be adding blended winglets to these 767s? Would certainly look great with the FX livery.


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co.
User currently offlineRonaldo747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 381 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12905 times:

Will FedEx adds Winglets on them like LAN Cargo?

I wonder why UPS don't go with them. Their 767 are quite common on transatlantic and other intercontinental routes, so fuel savings must be enormous. Weight penalties should also not be a factor for them, right? So what's the reason behind?


User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2133 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12699 times:

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 5):
Although, I am sure Boeing is offering dirt cheap deals for brand new 763 freighters, so it might be worth it for FX to go that route.

Also, the 767 line will be open quite a while with the US Tanker contract. Any guess on how long the A330 line will stay open with the A350 frames coming down the line? (back log and all).

bt



Intelligent seeks knowledge. Enlightened seeks wisdom.
User currently offlinejcded From Switzerland, joined Jan 2004, 213 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12680 times:

any idea on how long the MD-10s are to stay in fleet and what happens to the FedEx maintenane shop at LAX


You breathe to do good and have fun.
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31014 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12622 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 12):
Any guess on how long the A330 line will stay open with the A350 frames coming down the line? (back log and all).

I expect the A330 freighter and A330 MRTT programs to keep the line going, if at a very subdued rate (ala the 767 line).


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13144 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 12166 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 8):
This makes for 46 767-300ERF's now for Fed Ex, in tranches of 27 (2011), 15 (2012) and 4 (2012.

I wouldn't be surprised to see over 80 in the FedEx fleet as the DC-10s go off to become beer cans.    Perhaps over a hundred with the A300-600R replacement. It will all depend if FedEx ever buys the A330F (unlikely due to the payload/range that FedEx requires, but not to be ruled out).

Quoting iceberg210 (Reply 8):
Wouldn't be surprised if we see UPS pick up a few more over the next couple years...

   For growth, after the market has settled. But Stich points out future replacement opportunities enabled by the tanker order (767 line extension in duration).

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
They also have a large fleet of A300-600RFs that will eventually need replacing, so I would agree that they likely will add more down the road.

IIRC, initial delivery was in the 1990s. Depending on the maintenance profile, I would expect an order in 2 to 9 years from now. Since the 767 line should still be open, we should definitely see those orders.

Lightsaber



Societies that achieve a critical mass of ideas achieve self sustaining growth; others stagnate.
User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 877 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11988 times:

When is the 1st 767F for FedEx due ? Any line nos known yet ?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11724 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11832 times:

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 12):
Any guess on how long the A330 line will stay open with the A350 frames coming down the line? (back log and all).

I can see the A330 selling for many years after the A350 EIS as both 787 and A350 have a huge backlog. And there is also the A330 freighter and the A330 tanker of cource. I think Airbus should be able to keep the line open until the end of the decade.



Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the universe.
User currently offlinephishphan70 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11632 times:

Quoting FI642 (Reply 2):
Odd with their large Airbus fleet they didn't go with the A330F

The one glaring problem i see with this (besides Boeing giving a much lower price on the 76 than Airbus is willing to go on the 330) is the 767's wing is far shorter than the 330's. FX has a bunch of stands already fitted to the MD10 size, and if memory serves me correctly, the 330 wouldn't be able to park next to another 330 in those spots.
It's like buying a huge SUV that doesn't fit in your garage. Do you want to replace the garage too?


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25383 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11449 times:

Quoting Ronaldo747 (Reply 11):
Will FedEx adds Winglets on them like LAN Cargo?

I wonder why UPS don't go with them.

Apart from LAN, what other carriers have winglets on 767 freighters?


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 3):
What is the delivery time frame?
Quoting TC957 (Reply 16):
When is the 1st 767F for FedEx due ? Any line nos known yet ?

FX should be taking delivery of the first three in about March. For now, the 767s will not be ETOPS so the certification should be fairly quick and painless.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2079 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

The age of the trijet is coming to an end  . This is good forr FX because they can fit in the current positions at the Superhub and their 757 pilots will be able n to fly the 767 because of the same rating. It's a good thing they fly the MD-11 to IAH and DFW, the two airports I most frequently use these days.


Go coogs! \n//
User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11041 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):

DHL comes to mind, not sure about any others.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31014 posts, RR: 87
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10267 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting phishphan70 (Reply 18):
The one glaring problem i see with this (besides Boeing giving a much lower price on the 76 than Airbus is willing to go on the 330) is the 767's wing is far shorter than the 330's. FX has a bunch of stands already fitted to the MD10 size, and if memory serves me correctly, the 330 wouldn't be able to park next to another 330 in those spots.

The DC-10-10 has a span of ~47m and the DC-10-30 has a span of ~50m. The 767-300F is ~47m and the A330-200F is 60m, so indeed the 767-300F can fit in a DC-10 stand whereas an A330-200F cannot.

And let's just say that Airbus offered a very attractive price on some A330-200F launch orders to kick the program off.


User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

This is old news, as the link provided explains. Congrats anyway.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/07/f...f-jets-while-shrinking-777f-order/


25 KarelXWB : This is a new order.
26 PITrules : Wingspan clearances would become an issue at the nose-in parking positions at the SDF 'Worldport'.
27 Post contains links Polot : But it appears from the link that it has been in the works. The link talks about ordering 19 767s with a total of 46 on order, but Fedex only ordered
28 flightsimer : The full list appears to be: ABSA/Tam Cargo Lan Cargo MasAir DHL Florida West -300F operators who do not have winglets installed: UPS ANA Cargo Qanta
29 Post contains links and images dcann40 : Not sure, based on what I read in this article, it seems as if FedEx keeps ordering more! Go 767, Go! FedEx Announces Order for Four Boeing 767 Freig
30 fdxco : Add Silk Way Airlines to that list. I saw one in Baku (UBBB) back in September of this year.
31 727LOVER : Wasn't there something on a.net a few months back about FX ordering 764F? Is that now dead?
32 HPRamper : It was only an a.net rumor. It's quite dead and was never really alive.
33 KC135TopBoom : They don't need it. FedEX already has 22 B-777Fs, another 12 on order and options on another 12. Yes, they could and they might do just that. I don't
34 Stitch : During the FX RFP, Boeing floated the idea of building a freighter based on the 767-400ER as such an aircraft would be closer in cargo volume and pay
35 HPRamper : Two days ago I talked to a sim trainer for FX who is very in the loop. He said specifically this coming March, although they may not be in revenue se
36 wrenchon727 : First aircraft N101FE is due 15SEP2013 revenue service Nov2013. Total order at 50 aircraft. Selected engines is GE CF6-80C2.[Edited 2012-12-19 17:23:0
37 RickNRoll : Am I the only person who can see the humour in this announcement.
38 faro : So as of today, when is the (non-tanker) 767 production line due to close down (ie, pax & freighters only)? The 767 is now going on 30+ years in p
39 Post contains links and images SCL767 : Also LAN Cargo's Colombian subsidiary LANCO's B-767-316F/ERs are fitted with winglets: N312LA View Large View MediumPhoto © Douwe C. van der Zee LAN
40 Post contains images Stitch : The A300 and A310 do pre-date the 767.
41 bikerthai : So as of today. There is only one line for all the 767 (including tanker). The 747-8 line has taken over the old 767 line. bt
42 KarelXWB : That is not correct, the 787 surge line is now inside the old 767 building (40-24).
43 United_fan : Since the 764F would be a new model and have to be certified. The 763F is obviously available a lot sooner. Hope to see these in ROC sometime,though
44 Gatorman96 : Yes, but... Fed Ex avg fleet age: Airbus A300 17.6 yrs Airbus A310 26.3 yrs MD DC-10 35.5 yrs
45 SEPilot : I do find it curious that while the A330 has soundly trounced the 767 in passenger service, the 767F seems to be trouncing the A330F just as soundly.
46 B777LRF : Our lot tried that when we bought around 12 A300B4-200Fs more than a decade ago. While they all had the same GE engines, they were sourced from vario
47 Stitch : Looking at NH, JL, LA and J2, all of these carriers also operate the 767-300 passenger frame and none of them are an A330-200 operator (LA and J2 do
48 Post contains images B777LRF : Boeing offer very hefty discounts on the 767 as well. We bought 6 x 763ERF at a price of around 85M each. I know of another airline who bought A332F
49 Post contains images Stitch : Absolutely they do. However, it's become somewhat of an "a.net truth" that Boeing only sells 767s because they discount them massively as no customer
50 Hamlet69 : Just a minor correction - it was actually FX who asked Boeing about the possibility of a 764F, not the other way round. Then that airline got hosed.
51 flightsimer : I was including all of LAN's branches... I really wish LAN would do a double delivery of both a 767-300ER and 787.
52 UPS757Pilot : We've got a substantial fleet of A300s at 5X, I have heard of no complaints about the engines. The PW4062 series was chosen for the 767-2C and KC-46A
53 B777LRF : I have no reason to doubt that, but the techies and bean counters I've talked to tell me the CF6-80 is a better option. Since I'm neither, I'll have
54 SEPilot : Thanks, Stitch, for your explanation as to why the 767F has sold to the operators it has. One sometimes forgets that airplane sales are each unique; a
55 Post contains images lightsaber : How much of that is due to 788 delays/compensation discounts? I'd bet LAN would rather have 788s. Even AI is now touting 788 efficiency. Not quite. T
56 SCL767 : Well LAN placed three separate orders for B-767-316ERs over the past couple of years. Surely LAN received "discounts" on the B-767-316ERs. The B-767-
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
LAN Airlines To Announce Order For Four B777s? posted Thu Jun 7 2007 23:04:56 by PlaneHunter
Airbus, Gecas Announce Order For 60 A320-200 posted Mon Jul 19 2010 09:05:32 by slz396
Boeing, Gecas Announce Order For 40 737-800 NG posted Mon Jul 19 2010 05:40:54 by ManuCH
Air Caraibes Mulls Over Order For Four A350 XWBs posted Mon Oct 29 2007 06:21:00 by EI321
Air Caraibes Mulls Order For Four A350 XWBs posted Wed Oct 24 2007 07:17:54 by WINGS
Qantas To Announce Order For Mix Of Boeing, Airbus posted Thu Oct 6 2005 01:26:55 by AeroPiggot
CargoLux To Announce Order For 747ADV Freighter To posted Wed Jul 20 2005 18:05:28 by NYC777
Transavia Announces Order For Four Boeing 737-700s posted Thu Feb 14 2002 13:57:53 by Keesje
All Nippon Airways Places Order For Boeing 767-300 posted Wed Apr 4 2001 03:59:37 by Flight152
A New 767-200 Order For Boeing From SilverJet? posted Mon Oct 22 2007 15:01:15 by Gilesdavies