Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
UA Announces 9 New Routes  
User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1659 posts, RR: 3
Posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 24792 times:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/united...nal-domestic-routes-153000543.html

Quote:
CHICAGO, Dec. 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- United Airlines today announced plans to launch nonstop service on several new international and domestic routes beginning in the spring of 2013, including:

New flights to Latin America from Chicago and Washington, D.C.
New service to Canada from Denver, New York, and Washington, D.C.
Additional domestic routes from Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C.


75 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 24739 times:

Interesting how there is a long thread about ORD-Latin America and......viola!! Jeff must be lurking LOL  

User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 24231 times:

Quoting Yakamoz (Reply 2):

Most of these routes are 1-3 times weekly to Latam. Still very interesting adds especially LAX-ICT and EWR-YEG



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 24206 times:

Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

Would Chicago not have made better sense? I guess Denver is more centrally located, enabling traffic to be spread north, south, east & west!


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16860 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23938 times:

Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO (although SFO has had some adds like FLL within recent weeks). Santa Fe is a nice addition, popular tourist area. But what I'm most impressed is this quote from the announcement; "Fort McMurray will be United's 18th destination in Canada. "

18 destinations in Canada is really impressive.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23909 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

Good-bye tar-sand smell -- hello Mexican riviera.  


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23824 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

The IAD-YVR route comes and goes.

Btw, there are an amazing number BC kids here in the University of Maryland system.

Also btw, Simon Fraser University in Burnaby recently joined the NCAA and plays some US sports.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16860 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23826 times:

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 4):
Denver Fort McMurray that is an interesting one!!!

Another example of a Oil boom town, from Wikipedia:

Quote:
Fort McMurray is considered the heart of one of Alberta's (and Canada's) major hubs of oil production, located near the Athabasca Oil Sands. Besides the oil sands, the economy also relies on natural gas and oil pipelines, forestry and tourism. Oil sand companies include Syncrude, Suncor Energy, CNRL, Shell, and Nexen.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7138 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23788 times:

GRR-IAD is interesting as it will hurt FL/WN's questionable BWI service. I'm kind of surprised they wanted to go into the market given the LCC fares.

User currently offlinesaloman From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 122 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23739 times:

If I'm not mistaken all of the Canadian routes would be covered by the AC-UA joint venture confirmed in October?

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22923 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23751 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 5):
Well balanced growth, pretty much everyone gets something in this announcement except CLE and SFO

Yup, and it looks like UA continues to take advantages of cross-fleeting. The 738 is the right airplane for ORD-FAI, and up to the merger, UA didn't have any of those. It's the same story with the 319 on EWR-YEG.

I went through IAD yesterday and continue to be surprised by the number of 737s, which I think have outnumbered Airbii the last few times I've been there. On the Express side, there are gobs of Dashes. That's all good news.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16860 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23594 times:

UA is building upon CO's success in Central America with the ORD and IAD additions, in this area (Central America) the only thing one could wish for would be to bring back the Central America routes UA acquired from Pan Am:

LAX-
Guatemala City, San Salvador, San Jose

If not from LAX perhaps SFO?



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlinejetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3264 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23490 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):

GRR-IAD is interesting as it will hurt FL/WN's questionable BWI service. I'm kind of surprised they wanted to go into the market given the LCC fares.

Delta supported high fares to DCA while AirTran had rock-bottom bargain fares to BWI. The current BWI fares are no bargain and certainly wont be when WN takes over the route.

And there is nothing questionable about the GRR-BWI service except in your own mind, my friend. Trust.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9607 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23433 times:

Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?


If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23387 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 6):
It's not that Americans want to go to YMM. It's that folks in YMM want to get out, and the new nouveau-riche have the money to do it.

Good-bye tar-sand smell -- hello Mexican riviera.  

I know I know been there myself and it stinks (of money and chemicals) ! Still though given that people from there can work up to 2 weeks, 12 hours per day no weekend straight and then go home for a week or two, I would think Chicago or New-York would be better destinations due to the fact that some people there come from all over the world!

Going to the Mexican Riviera on your own does get tiring! Better go and see the wife or the girlfriend no? (if you have one at least)


User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23232 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

The choice to go YMM to DEN seems influenced by the fact folks want to holiday. That often equates to somewhere warm such as Latin America or possibly Hawaii/California. DEN provides service to all of those locations and you can also connect to flights headed east or south-east if desired.

User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23126 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

PA used to do JFK-FAI as part of JFK-FAI-NRT. Remember that PA served FAI instead of ANC historically.


User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 23053 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

Well, technically that would be FRA at the moment.   But otherwise, yes, it's the easternmost connection they've had in a very long time.



[Edited 2012-12-19 09:38:14]

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 22871 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 14):
Will ORD-FAI be the farthest east Fairbanks has ever had nonstop service to?

PA used to do JFK-FAI as part of JFK-FAI-NRT.

The FAI stop ended in 1976 when they began the first JFK-NRT nonstops with the 747SP. I expect they would have preferred to stop at ANC previously but Pan Am never had ANC traffic rights before deregulation.


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 21494 times:

DEN-YMM is 1041 nm, blocked at 3 hours. LAX-ICT is also blocked at around 3 hours, and is 1045 nm. Those are long flights for CR7s (not in terms of operational capability but in terms of sitting on an RJ for that long)! I remember when UA operated an OO CR7 from ATL-DEN; it was about the same distance, and man was that a long flight. Not that I minded, but an E170 (which is what UA currently uses on that route) would have been nice at the time.

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4267 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 21352 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting vinniewinnie (Reply 15):
Going to the Mexican Riviera on your own does get tiring! Better go and see the wife or the girlfriend no? (if you have one at least)

Last time I lived in a boom-town, there were girlfriends a-plenty at evey watering hole just for the asking. So, just send the money home, and all will be forgiven  

Btw, it was only a matter of time before a CanJet 735 ar a WestJet 736 did YMM--to--sunland


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25170 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20904 times:

The DEN-YMM-DEN schedule shows the northbound flight arriving at 2318 and the southbound flight leaving at 0600. Is that enough crew rest time? Including the time to get to/from a hotel they would barely have 4 hours for sleep. Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

User currently offline9252fly From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20591 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
Or would the crew spend 2 nights in YMM?

Don't know how a layover in YMM would rate on the UAX crew's favorite places to overnight? I'm guessing it may be some sort of standup where the crew is still on duty.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6606 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20539 times:

Quoting jetlanta (Reply 13):
And there is nothing questionable about the GRR-BWI service except in your own mind, my friend. Trust.

Not to mention that I doubt WN is really worried about 1 daily RJ being added to an airport that is 65 miles away from BWI.


User currently offlineyegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1725 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 20370 times:

I think the YEG-EWR flight was just a matter of time. The market has always been there and it is nice to see UA further solidify their presence in the YEG market (with now 5 destinations).

I also think that YMM flight will do quite well for them. Don't know what they will charge, but people up there have too much money to burn and they will take this flight over connecting in YEG or YYC to save a few bucks


25 bobloblaw : I don't think GRR-IAD will hurt WN in BWI. FL flew that route at the same time DL flew DCA. If DCA didn't hurt BWI, IAD won't either.
26 flyguy89 : Definitely true if you're in Y! Anybody know what the service will be like in F on these flights?
27 Post contains images triley1057 : I guess United still has beef with the city of Houston. No new routes!
28 STT757 : They're reinstating Rapid City.
29 Kaiarahi : Short hop to LAS.
30 JCWR56 : ORD-SJO was discussed and a proposed schedule was looked at for this year but never developed. It's nice to see this being added in and probably will
31 BD338 : I wouldn't discount the quiet presence of several major oil/energy businesses in the Denver area nor the presence of Oil Shale deposits in the Colora
32 brilondon : What is "Airbii" Does UA have any other flights into YMM, or would they dead head pilots out of YMM into YEG as an alternative to holding the crew ov
33 Post contains images gigneil : SFO (which I am presently sitting at, in the GB next to 74) has had a pretty amazing time of it post-merger NS
34 FlyingSicilian : will the DEN-YMM service "steal" any traffic from IAH-YEG?
35 kgaiflyer : You connect to YMM in Calgary rather than Edmonton. So it shouldn't hurt IAH-YEG.
36 mhkansan : UA is taking a dig at AA in SAF, the only player in the market, with the two new flights to DEN. I bet they'll fill seats but by now AA has a good ff
37 eastern023 : I always jump when they say new Latin American route....SCL has been in their books for quite sometime...
38 FlyingSicilian : Many of the people I know drive from YEG in crew buses/vans and such, sorry I was thinking of that
39 Caspian27 : Actually OO is currently operating DEN-ATL. Not sure how you can be excited about the Dash's. YX is very firmly last in every UAX performance metric.
40 saloman : Of course it's safe, it just isn't fun. Based on the prices associated with staying in YMM (accommodation, food) I wouldn't be surprised if dead head
41 Post contains images MaverickM11 : What would give you the ridiculous notion that there are any opportunities in the energy capital of the universe, in one of the most dynamic states i
42 bobloblaw : I doubt that UA is doing that. They would have added service long ago, if that was the case. The market is probably growing is all. Also from AA's st
43 beechtobus : I wonder will Great Lakes will do with DEN-SAF, I believe they just restarted this route after a several year hiatus (ZK ended it when DL connection a
44 Cactus739 : Will ORD-FAI be year round or is it a seasonal flight only?
45 abrelosojos : = Double overnight. Expect young crew members and bitter ones in the morning. Great commercial move though as this opens up YMM to the South. I am su
46 mingocr83 : To add to the thread, the routes to SJO are, IAD-SJO-IAD and ORD-SJO-ORD, 3 times a week. Those routes were operated by the old United with A320 a few
47 Post contains images vinniewinnie : Pretty inefficient but guess it makes sense! Young and motivated indeed Expect a heavy aircraft as well as the flight will need to have double if not
48 Hawaiian763 : I thought EWR-YEG was a really odd route, but than I heard DEN-YMM, that's even more strange in my mind. I'm a little confused as to why AC didn't do
49 Post contains links thenoflyzone : Doubt this route will go under the AC-UA joint venture, but if it does, it wont matter who operates the flight. Both AC and UA will share the revenue
50 ushermittwoch : The Colorado School of Mines is not too far from DEN. There are a lot of mining professionals around Denver, as well as a bunch of petrochemical expe
51 Cubsrule : Not difficult at all. It's a fair question. ORD-FAI is a very long route for a 320, about 400 nm longer than JFK-LAX. Moreover, while I'm not an expe
52 yegbey01 : Why an odd route? YEG is hitting almost 7 million pax. And there is demand. UA has been running flights to 4 of its hubs for years so they know a thi
53 kgaiflyer : Performance-wise, absolutely none. But opinion-wise, those other one-hundred-thousand milers I chatted with seem to prefer the seats in the sUA Airbu
54 Cubsrule : Could the 320 reliably do ORD-FAI westbound? It would, I believe, be the longest 320 route in the system by a 10 percent or so margin (without accoun
55 RiverCityFlyer : Nothing wrong with some growth!
56 kgaiflyer : It's not the same, but currently sUA 319s are flying BOS-SFO at 6hr 50mn. I know the 319 can do the deed. Btw, in my days as a NW elite, we've done D
57 saloman : Gotta disagree with the sentiment that the YMM flight is catering to oil and gas industry connections in Colorado. A few posters have mentioned it ab
58 Post contains images mpdpilot : That is not entirely correct. Though the 319 v. 737 is closer the 320 v. 738 is quite different. There are numerous examples of 320s struggling to cr
59 PMUA787 : The area around YMM and Northern Alberta in general must be really booming. Here in the SEA area I have seen Opportunity Awaits adverts on King County
60 corinthians : Great news about the EWR-YEG route. I live in NYC, but my parents are still in Edmonton. I go to YEG several times a year and getting there is a pain
61 Viscount724 : To "sun destinations" in the Caribbean etc. which should be popular winter destinations for YMM workers consider the climate, AC's twice-daily YMM-YY
62 slcdeltarumd11 : It is scheduled for the 737-800
63 Jamake1 : Sort of like those who use the non-word, "anyways."
64 steex : I assume the reasoning for DEN is to provide connections to sun destinations in the southwestern USA (California, Phoenix, Vegas) and the west coast
65 yellowtail : 18 DAILY? Are you sure?
66 brilondon : YMM is a booming area with the tar sands being the largest oil reserve in North America, it just takes alot of money to get at it and alot of technol
67 kgaiflyer : Makes sense since the IAH-SEA-ANC flights I've flown have always been 738s
68 abrelosojos : = AC has limited feed at YEG vs. UA at EWR. Moreover, why should AC start a nonstop when NYC is the top international destination on their YEG-YYZ fl
69 Post contains images point2point : Out of curiosity, I did a count of the data from the recently released Brookings Institute U.S. Global Gateways report to see if there is any traffic
70 AVENSAB727 : I bet IAH will be next. IAH-PEK and IAH-SCL are my guesses.
71 gigneil : They do not have rights to IAH-PEK. NS
72 FlyPNS1 : China frequencies are available.
73 AVENSAB727 : Ok, IAH-SCL could be one.
74 gigneil : Are they? Sure. How many folks on that? NS
75 RWA380 : I had the same exact flight time once, flying eastbound HNL-SFO on a NW DC-10-40 in early Oct 2004, I was in F, and was bummed the service was cut so
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Ryanair Announces New Routes Post-Spanair posted Tue Feb 7 2012 06:01:57 by downtown273
Aer Arann Announces 2 New Routes: DUB-BOH, SNN-RNS posted Wed Feb 1 2012 06:18:37 by Pe@rson
Manx2 Announces New Routes - IOM-OXF, OXF-JER posted Thu Jan 19 2012 00:50:24 by Pe@rson
Qatar Airways Announces 7 New Routes In 2012 posted Wed Nov 16 2011 03:44:39 by ojas
FR Announces 9 New Routes, Including BVA-Morocco posted Sun Aug 1 2010 03:13:37 by Pe@rson
QR Announces 6 New Routes: HKT,HAN,NCE,OTP,BUD,BRU posted Mon Jun 21 2010 03:50:55 by ojas
FR Announces 7 New Routes From OPO posted Mon Jun 14 2010 09:15:46 by Pe@rson
Vueling Announces New Routes posted Wed Dec 23 2009 12:21:08 by Joost
FR Announces New Routes To Torp And Rygge posted Thu Jul 16 2009 06:25:12 by Dangould2000
Easyjet Announces New Routes posted Fri Dec 7 2007 09:21:43 by F4f3a