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Crumpled ANA 767 Fixed!  
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3955 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16252 times:

Previous (now archived) thread :

Status Of ANA 767-381ER JA610A Damaged 6/20? (by DTWPurserBoy Oct 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)

From my sources at ANA :

JA610A flew a test flight on Dec 19 as NH9201 following repairs after its landing accident earlier in the year. It's scheduled re entry into service is planned for 26 Dec LCL time as NH919/220 NRT-PVG-NRT.

  

[Edited 2012-12-20 07:42:43]

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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15898 times:

Wow, that's a bit of a surprise, a good surprise I might add. I know she's only 10 yrs old but other aircraft that age have hit the scrappers axe without having a bent-up hard landing. Also with the new 787's coming on line I wonder if ANA's accountants didn't just want to have her scrapped for a good future spares source.

User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15626 times:
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This is marvelous news and thanks so much for the information!! This makes the scrapping of the LOT 767 involved with the gear up landing easier to bear!!

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7752 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 15069 times:

Japanese efficiency at its finest  glad to see that she'll be flying again.


我思うゆえに我あり。(Jap. 'I think, therefore I am.')
User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8934 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 2):
This makes the scrapping of the LOT 767 involved with the gear up landing easier to bear!!



For me it makes it worse. If they can fix the ANA bird, why not the LOT one? Aren't they around the same age?

[Edited 2012-12-20 21:56:59]

User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5252 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8386 times:



Quoting akelley728 (Reply 4):
If they can fix the ANA bird, why not the LOT one?

This presupposes that the extent of the damage was equivalent on both aircraft and that age in years is a fair measure of market value, both of which probably aren't the case. (Cycles and time-to-next-major-airframe-overhaul are significant additional financial factors, for example.)

However, that said, sometimes there are factors at work other than the typical cost/benefit analysis, and these lead to the aircraft being repaired rather than scrapped. Comparing to the automobile world, one would say the difference between considering the car "totalled" (a "total loss") or repair-worthy. As you know, the usual analysis is: What's the market value of the item? If cost to repair exceeds market value, then just write it off and scrap it.

Sometimes, things like lease provisions affect this analysis. If I'm the owner of the MD11 that Delta burned up on the ramp, and I have a contract that requires Delta to return the aircraft to me in working condition, and there's no provision for them to substitute an "equivalent" aircraft (i.e. go buy one on the open market and give me that one instead), then I can force them to repair it before return. I might use this provision as leverage to work a deal where I recoup all or part of the repair cost as an offset against the already-diminished market value of the aircraft, but there might be tax reasons not to do so. It all depends. In any event, my understanding is that in the case of the DL MD11 that was repaired, the lease provisions altered the usual economics sufficiently that a decision was made to repair an aircraft that might not otherwise have been repaired.

Tax laws may affect the decision as well.

[Edited 2012-12-20 22:48:54]

User currently offlineQ From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

I recalled that was similar to RAM 767 damaged in JFK hard landing but they repaired and now back to flying.

Q


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

Great News......Fantastic effort....Is there a video/Slideshow on the work done.....


Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlinekochikaze From Palau, joined Apr 2012, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5443 times:

Here is official announcement.

【Notice】 Regarding the aircraft flown as NH956 on June 20th, 2012.
http://www.ana.co.jp/topics/notice121214/index_e.html


User currently offlineEASTERN747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2688 times:

Any news on what happened to the crew that did the hard landing?

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 9):
Any news on what happened to the crew that did the hard landing?

Hard landing...hard time!   



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User currently offlinemoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2342 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting Q (Reply 6):
I recalled that was similar to RAM 767 damaged in JFK hard landing but they repaired and now back to flying.

From the photos in the earlier thread, it looks very much like the damage I saw on the RAM 767.



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