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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Huge snowstorm hitting the midwest this holiday season. Dubbed "Draco" by the Weather Channel in a similar way the National Hurricane Center names hurricanes, This storm is already causing major issues at ORD.
Any other airports have issues? Closure rates/ delays?


次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
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User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Many flights into MLI have been canceled. Two Allegiant flights diverted, LAS-MLI diverted to SGF and PIE-MLI diverted to FSD. Right now we're at 1/4 mile with wind gusts of 43 knots and snow.

User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

MQ has cancelled 1 DFW overnight at GCK, 1 ORD flight at ICT, our two overnighters (DFW and ORD) and two turns (DFW and ORD) at MHK. I think maybe a cancellation or two at GRI and MCI but I'm not sure.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Per the FAA:

Quote:
Due to WEATHER / WIND, there is a Traffic Management Program in effect for traffic arriving Chicago O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, IL (ORD). This is causing some arriving flights to be delayed an average of 2 hours and 4 minutes. To see if you may be affected, select your departure airport and check "Delays by Destination".


That's their exact quote. Nothing was listed under "delays by destination" and instead they encouraged people to contact their carrier. The Weather Channel's Mike Seidel earlier reported saying that if anyone is flying out of ORD their flight will either be delayed or cancelled, and that was a "given" according to him. Not a good day to be flying.



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineMLI717fan From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 21 hours ago) and read 4055 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 1):
Many flights into MLI have been canceled. Two Allegiant flights diverted, LAS-MLI diverted to SGF and PIE-MLI diverted to FSD. Right now we're at 1/4 mile with wind gusts of 43 knots and snow.

Yeah, I had a friend who was supposed to fly out on the 1:25 UA express flight to DEN, she got rebooked for Sunday. When I saw the G4 planes take off for MLI, I thought that was a little crazy. It looks like CID got hit even worse with cancellations. I'm sure things will really hit the fan all over the midwest when ORD gets the snow.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3857 times:

Several flights here at MCI have been cancelled, mostly this morning, as we had strong winds and blowing snow. Clear and sunny now so I'd expect things to be back to normal, at least from an MCI aspect.

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3809 times:

Quoting MLI717fan (Reply 4):

Yikes, and it couldn't really be a worse time, too. I have to head back to work on Saturday so I hope things are mostly back to normal by then. Otherwise I guess I'll be driving.   


User currently offlineqcpilotxf From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3727 times:

i can personally say that MLI, DVN, CID pretty much all of Eastern Iowa and Northwestern Illinois are done for the day, i was supposed to go flying myself today. i woke up and decided not too

User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 20 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

This will move east overnight and cause big delays most likely tomorrow.... here is the NOAA forecast for tonite and tomorrow for NYC

Tonight Rain, with thunderstorms also possible after 3am. Some storms could be severe, with damaging winds and heavy rain. Low around 42. Breezy, with a southeast wind 11 to 16 mph increasing to 18 to 23 mph after midnight. Winds could gust as high as 38 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible.
Friday Showers and possibly a thunderstorm. Some storms could be severe, with damaging winds and heavy rain. High near 53. Windy, with a southeast wind 24 to 29 mph becoming southwest 18 to 23 mph in the afternoon. Winds could gust as high as 46 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New rainfall amounts between a half and three quarters of an inch possible

Could be an interesting day at work tomorrow!



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3545 times:

Why is it called "Draco". We're naming run of the mil snow storms now for ratings?

User currently offlinesteex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1654 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3524 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):
Why is it called "Draco". We're naming run of the mil snow storms now for ratings?

You got it. It's funny to me because they're only naming the ones centered on the Lower 48, since that's where the dramatic news coverage is worthwhile. Otherwise, they should use each letter several times over on major snowstorms hitting Alaska.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25362 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Cancels as of 4pm Eastern.

AA - 323
DL - 44
UA - 166
WN - 204



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3460 times:

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 9):
Why is it called "Draco". We're naming run of the mil snow storms now for ratings?

Well the Weather Channel claims they use this for the purpose of having people heed warnings better. They claim that, in the same way Europe names weather systems, people will be less surprised and therefore will have less casualties. I think the Weather Channel was encouraged to do so by the NWS.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
Cancels as of 4pm Eastern.

AA - 323

Not good at all for their monetary issues



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4401 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3452 times:
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CID has not had any commercial operations today and everything is cancelled the rest of the night.

DSM cleared out much sooner than CID and seems to be doing decent receiving flights. All arrivals and departures were cancelled this morning. UA just ran a 752 from DEN that went right back.. It appears to be an extra section I'm guessing to pick up stranded pax.

MCW (Mason City, IA) just had their first ZK turn of the day but was closed this morning.

FOD (Fort Dodge, IA) got out a couple ZK flights to MSP this afternoon but was closed this morning.

DBQ (Dubuque, IA) is still on the edge of the snowfall and has not received or departed any AA flights today.

LSE has not received or departed any commercial flights to ORD or MSP today.

MSN had an arrival from ORD this morning that did make a turn back to ORD this afternoon. That appears to be all commercially that's operated so far today.

Some pretty crazy wind out there blowing around this fresh snow cover:

KALO 202206Z 32027G44KT 3/4SM R12/6000VP6000FT BR OVC019 M04/M07 A2972 RMK AO2 PK WND 32044/2201 PWINO FZRANO

[Edited 2012-12-20 14:37:39]


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25362 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Bad part about this storms timing is that airlines are experiencing 90%+LF today and next few days as folks make their Xmas journeys across the nation.

Very little available capacity to reaccommodate or recover from cancellations and delays.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineflyfree727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
AA - 323
Not good at all for their monetary issues

Its not good for ANY airlines bottom line..

AA ORD


User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 19 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Well the Weather Channel claims they use this for the purpose of having people heed warnings better. They claim that, in the same way Europe names weather systems, people will be less surprised and therefore will have less casualties. I think the Weather Channel was encouraged to do so by the NWS.

Try again. The NWS has publicly stated they are NOT in support of this attention grab by The Weather Channel. Winter systems are not as easy to track as tropical systems. With a tropical system you have one defined low pressure that can be tracked. Winter systems can have more than one. The NWS is not condoning nor supporting this action by TWC due to the inability for this to be accurately tracked and also due to insurance consequences when it comes to insurance premiums increasing when "named storms" impact an area.


User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4200 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 16):
Try again. The NWS has publicly stated they are NOT in support of this attention grab by The Weather Channel. Winter systems are not as easy to track as tropical systems. With a tropical system you have one defined low pressure that can be tracked. Winter systems can have more than one. The NWS is not condoning nor supporting this action by TWC due to the inability for this to be accurately tracked and also due to insurance consequences when it comes to insurance premiums increasing when "named storms" impact an area.

Exactly... what a horrible grab at ratings by overdramatizing the weather.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6383 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 17 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 17):
Exactly... what a horrible grab at ratings by overdramatizing the weather.

Half the time when I turn on the Weather Channel anymore it is anything but the weather...something like "Storm Stories" or some other form of reality programming  

I was going to chide the OP for embracing The Weather Channel's controversial naming of winter storms, but it seems that others have done that job for me  



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User currently offlinenkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
Half the time when I turn on the Weather Channel anymore it is anything but the weather...something like "Storm Stories" or some other form of reality programming

Yea, soon they will be like what MTV is to music....



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User currently offlinebobloblaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1725 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

Quoting nkops (Reply 19):

Maybe WC can have all their on air talent move into a big mansion in Buckhead and make a show out of it. And oh yeah, the mgmt there fired heather tesch.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Bad part about this storms timing is that airlines are experiencing 90%+LF today and next few days as folks make their Xmas journeys across the nation.

I smell a lot of widebody upgauges tomorrow and saturday   

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 16):
Try again. The NWS has publicly stated they are NOT in support of this attention grab by The Weather Channel. Winter systems are not as easy to track as tropical systems.
Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 17):
Exactly... what a horrible grab at ratings by overdramatizing the weather.
Quoting KELPkid (Reply 18):
Half the time when I turn on the Weather Channel anymore it is anything but the weather...something like "Storm Stories" or some other form of reality programming

Wow then my contact at the weather channel lied to me in the face. Someone is not getting their christmas gift card this year         



次は、渋谷、渋谷。出口は、右側です。電車とホームの間は広く開いておりますので、足元に注意下さい。
User currently offlineskywaymanaz From United States of America, joined May 2012, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 13 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

I thought it was a little cute when they named the noreaster that hit after Hurricane Sandy. A noreaster is a bit different then a snow storm though. Seems way to gimmicky to name each snow storm for multitude of reasons given above. Sounds to much like Kent Brockman on The Simpsons warning us about a killer snow storm. "The death count is up to zero, **** you snow!!!"

User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 12 hours ago) and read 2573 times:
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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25362 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Cancel counts as of midnight Eastern.

Thursday
AA - 339
DL - 171
UA - 386
WN - 206

Friday
AA - 31
DL - 31
UA - 36
WN - 15



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
25 twinotter : Regardless of how you feel about naming winter storms, this one was hardly a "run of the mill storm". It’s the biggest snowfall for Iowa in 3 years
26 izbtmnhd : The point is that it's a run of the mill storm in the Gulf of Alaska. It's a correct statement. In fact there was a deeper and wider area of low pres
27 twinotter : This storm was in the Midwest, not Alaska. It wasn't a "run of the mill" storm in the Midwest.
28 ouboy79 : So should we start naming tornadoes, derechos, and any ol' heavy downpour? This thread has probably reach the end of its useful life. Perhaps the mod
29 izbtmnhd : So there should only be named storms that aren't run of the mill in a specific area? That alone creates more confusion than necessary. I prefer the N
30 twinotter : Why are you quoting me? I never said we should name anything, just pointed out that this was not a "run of the mill" snowstorm, as another poster cla
31 ouboy79 : This. It is all a matter of perspective. 6 inches of snow in Dallas is not a run of the mill storm, but for Buffalo it is an afternoon annoyance. Wit
32 twinotter : This storm was in the Midwest, not Dallas or Buffalo or Alaska. That's not a matter of perspective; it's a matter of fact. Hence, it was not a "run o
33 ouboy79 : So should we be naming every little flurry that causes traffic problems in Houston then? I'm not sure how I can make it any plainer to understand the
34 Post contains images ih8b6 : Re: "run of the mill storm".... So who determines if it's "run of the mill" versus "the world is coming to and end" kind of a storm? Does the Weather
35 steex : As someone who has lived his entire life in the Midwest, while this wasn't a completely "run of the mill" snowstorm, I wouldn't exactly say a storm l
36 PHX787 : Some can. I recall out in PHX, DL sometimes upgauged a cancelled 757 flight to a 767...or 777.....or once, a 744, covering two cancelled 753 flights.
37 Maverick623 : Doubtful. People have been told they may not get out until Sunday, as early as yesterday morning, with some markets not seeing any seats available un
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