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Delta Adding LAX-SEA  
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Posted (2 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14276 times:

Looking at the newest update for the Delta timetable and Delta has loaded 3x daily LAX-SEA with OO CR9s. Flights start APR8

LAX-SEA
DL4523 LAX-SEA 0815-1100 OO CR9
DL4591 LAX-SEA 1520-1805 OO CR9
DL4564 LAX-SEA 2130-0015 OO CR9 +1

SEA-LAX
DL4563 SEA-LAX 0645-0925 OO CR9
DL4523 SEA-LAX 1150-1430 OO CR9
DL4591 SEA-LAX 1850-2130 OO CR9

(note DL4563 doesn't start till APR9)


yep.
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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 14234 times:

Makes you wonder why they have to add their own metal if their partnership with AS is going so well? Or is it?


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineFly2yyz From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 1046 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14199 times:

How many airlines does AS codeshare with on that route specifically? Was DL maybe having trouble getting their volume on the flights competing against the other codesharing airlines?

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14200 times:

AS is an ffp whore.

Also, has DL lost their mind? Is the plan to feed SYD?

NS


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14149 times:

With SEA that 32 cities and 107 flights for Delta at LAX.


yep.
User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4593 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14114 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 2):
How many airlines does AS codeshare with on that route specifically?

That came to my mind immediately after I got over the disappointment that these new flights actually won't be operated by DL.

Looks like it's just AA (for USA airlines anyway) codesharing on the route once DL goes away.


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14097 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Makes you wonder why they have to add their own metal if their partnership with AS is going so well? Or is it?

I would guess Delta wants some control with its feed.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):
Also, has DL lost their mind? Is the plan to feed SYD?

I would say to feed Hawaii and SYD from LA and PEK/PVG/KIX from SEA.



yep.
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17829 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14095 times:

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 2):
Was DL maybe having trouble getting their volume on the flights competing against the other codesharing airlines?

If AS is turning away DL's LAX-SEA-PEK/KIX in favor or bargain bin Mexico-LAX-SEA, DL has bigger problems than AS availability and pricing 



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14073 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):

Delta isn't dropping any codeshares on AS's flights.

All of AS's LAX-SEA flights still show a Delta codeshare as far out as the timetable will go. (JUN10)



yep.
User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14072 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 6):
I would say to feed Hawaii and SYD from LA and PEK/PVG/KIX from SEA.

I didn't think the other way. Thanks.

NS


User currently offlinempdpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 14007 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 5):
Looks like it's just AA (for USA airlines anyway) codesharing on the route once DL goes away.

Why would the codeshare go away? Can you not codeshare on a route that you both operate?



One mile of highway gets you one mile, one mile of runway gets you anywhere.
User currently onlinemayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10671 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13908 times:

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 10):
Why would the codeshare go away? Can you not codeshare on a route that you both operate?

I'm afraid this was an assumption on the poster's part.....a bad one, at that.



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineseahawks7757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13908 times:

Quoting mpdpilot (Reply 10):

You can, there are code shares on MSP flights operated by AS and DL and have shared flight numbers on most of them.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9828 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13885 times:

DL tried briefly with ERJs on SEA-LAX a few years ago and it was operated with 727s in the 90s. It's good to see them operating the route, but a CRJ, going against AS 737s and VX A320s hasn't worked so well for United, so I wonder how well it will work for DL. Give us some 737s or A320s and they can make the route work. DL has built up SEA and LAX.


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User currently offlinepqdtw From Netherlands, joined Aug 2008, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13836 times:

Will the AS code be on these flights?

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3129 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13794 times:

on the SEA-LAX route... AS codeshares with

Air Pacific
Cathay Pacific
Delta
Icelandair
Korean Air
LAN
Qantas

so maybe DL does need a few of their own flights?

'902



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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13760 times:
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It's too bad the 717's won't make out west. The SEA-LAX route would be perfect for DL along the west coast...maybe more comfortable anyway.

User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 857 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13679 times:

Why doesn't VX whore itself out like AS?

User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 857 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13662 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 3):
AS is an ffp whore.

Why doesn't VX whore itself out like AS?


User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13644 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
DL4523 LAX-SEA 0815-1100 OO CR9

On LAX end, allows for good connections from SYD, KOA, OGG, HNL, LIH, SAN, LAS. (granted, AS has nonstops to all of these but SYD). SEA end allows for some extra flow to NRT/AMS/CDG if the LAX nonstops are full, as well as KIX and PVG.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
DL4591 LAX-SEA 1520-1805 OO CR9

Not much useful connectivity at LAX. SEA allows for PEK, HND (if LAX flight is full).

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
DL4564 LAX-SEA 2130-0015 OO CR9 +1

LAX end allows for HNL/PHX/LAS (again, nothing great, but does allow a decent option for a daytime flight from Hawaii). Nothing on SEA end.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
DL4563 SEA-LAX 0645-0925 OO CR9

LAX end allows for connections to SAN (meh), MSY and MCO. SEA end has feed from PEK.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
DL4523 SEA-LAX 1150-1430 OO CR9

LAX end allows for SAN/LAS (meh). Allows for inbound from PVG.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Thread starter):
DL4591 SEA-LAX 1850-2130 OO CR9

LAX end allows for SYD, MIA, MCO, TPA, IND and other DL hubs. SEA has feed from HND

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 13):
DL tried briefly with ERJs on SEA-LAX a few years ago and it was operated with 727s in the 90s. It's good to see them operating the route, but a CRJ, going against AS 737s and VX A320s hasn't worked so well for United, so I wonder how well it will work for DL. Give us some 737s or A320s and they can make the route work. DL has built up SEA and LAX.

The CR9s at least are a world different than the ERJs tried five or so years ago. First Class, wi-fi, Economy Comfort, etc. For a two hour flight, it's not a horrible plane and will be reasonably competitive with AS/VX. Since the flight is over 900 miles, F does get a meal.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 6):
I would guess Delta wants some control with its feed.

Keep in mind that with codesharing, some money gets paid from the marketing airline to the operating airline. It's great if you can't fill your own planes, but once you get enough of a presence, it makes sense to start flying your own plane and keeping that money than farming it out. Now with the feed and presence on both ends of this route, I'm guessing that there's a decent bit of people that DL is putting on AS each day to the point where it makes more financial sense to put your own planes on it and not hand that money over to AS.


User currently offlinexlc From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13389 times:

From a SkyClub perspective this is greatly appreciated.

User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13354 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 4):
With SEA that 32 cities and 107 flights for Delta at LAX.

For comparison, that's almost exactly the same size operation as WN at LAX.



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlinedeltairlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13253 times:

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 21):
For comparison, that's almost exactly the same size operation as WN at LAX.

WN has slightly more flights (113 vs 107), less destinations (23 vs 32) but more seats (about 9000 more seats/week than DL)


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5794 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13199 times:

Well, Delta would seem to be the new United in the LAX market for us Seattle folks. I've always enjoyed QX CR7 flights and I'm sure I'd enjoy DL CR9's as well.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12789 times:

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 13):
DL tried briefly with ERJs on SEA-LAX a few years ago

It was during DL's ERJ phase at LAX around 2006, but it was actually run as a 1x daily 738 over that summer. I don't know if it was an ERJ before then (along with a lot of other things around then), but it did run on mainline that summer.


25 ridgid727 : This was an original Western Airlines Route that DL axed, started, axed, started, axed and willbe starting again.
26 spiritair97 : I hope (and don't doubt) that it'll do well! I like to see DL build up stations that aren't LGA or ATL in the last year or so.
27 enilria : It's equally dumb to their LAX-SFO service. It's probably also to stick it to AS.
28 jetlanta : Yet LAX-SFO is profitable for Delta. Go figure.
29 Post contains images laca773 : ! The main difference between DLC and UAX is DL does offer a F cabin with catering while UAX hands out those carb boxes in Y+. I believe also quite o
30 Goldenshield : What's a CR5?
31 chrisair : I don't find the OO CR7 or CR9 uncomfortable. The CR9s aren't that bad in the back. Probably wouldn't take it over an AS 737, but it's a nice backup
32 Alasizon : This sounds very similar to SEA-SLC. Both carriers see that there is room for service and so they both operate. Granted, SEA-LAX is already relatively
33 MaverickM11 : High CASM RJs are profitable up against UA/WN/VX/AA mainline trying to kill each other? Unlikely. UA's LAXSEA is like Invisalign®--it's barely there
34 Post contains images abrelosojos : = Why does UA maintain an once a day CR7 on YVR-LAX ? Saludos, A.
35 olddominion727 : Keep in mind that before DL and AS were going at it like two teenagers in the back seat, they were rivals in this market. DL used to fly 727/757 to bo
36 dc9northwest : A least on the Skywest birds I've flown, there aren't any extended overhead bins, even in First Class. Although, I've had great service on OO... Don'
37 laca773 : It's also known as a CR2/CRJ. I believe it's sometimes called a CR5 since it's a 50 seat a/c.
38 SR117 : Given the big increase of international operations at SEA, it's nice to see DL operate some feeder flights with its own metal. This should make things
39 dc9northwest : Yep; I think it was internal to DL though. Comair had CR4s and CR5s in 2002-2003 (around when I first flew Comair); CR4 being the 44-seat variant CRJ
40 wedgetail737 : Even though AS has pretty deep connection ties with DL, a lot of AS flights are packed with AS passengers, which probably doesn't leave a whole lot o
41 Post contains links RWA380 : Believe it or not, DL flying the SEA-LAX route was way before the WA merger, they used to run an L-1011 in 1982 http://www.departedflights.com/DL1031
42 Post contains images Deltal1011man : yep generally feeding International flights are dumb. It would, clearly, be much smarter to just fly LAX-SYD/HND/NRT with no feed. (oh and I won't ev
43 Post contains links dbo861 : I used to see it all the time when I was at Comair. I believe their safety cards in seatback pockets even used to say CR5 on them instead of CRJ or C
44 jetlanta : Mav, you know better than looking at CASM alone. You've got to look at the RASM side, including the beyonds. (And CR9's are actually not particularly
45 cschleic : Too true. And probably an issue for DL premium traffic that's connecting to/from international.
46 MaverickM11 : I'm sorry, I *refuse* to believe DL has a revenue premium on a few RJs between LAX, where its fares are on the low side to be charitable, and SFO whe
47 jetlanta : 4.6 paxs to SYD out 445 total.
48 MaverickM11 : SYD is probably the highest yield opportunity, otherwise what is DL taking that is unique to either airport? Day of week, seasonal CMHSFO traffic ove
49 jetlanta : It is a mix of dozens of online and interline markets. Doesn't need to be unique to either airport Both are capacity constrained facilities. Not ever
50 MSPNWA : If true, it's no doubt because of using a cheap contract carrier. Go figure. When that feeding largely competes against yourself, it does appear craz
51 BDL757 : Wow! I hadn't realized LAX was over the 100 flight per day mark. I'm hoping expansion in LA continues! I'm curious to see what the west coast strateg
52 mpdpilot : How is using contract carriers such as Skywest a bad thing? There seem to be a lot of people in this world that have issue with airlines operating ro
53 jr : I didn't either. I guess the NW merger had at least "something" to do with that. I just hope they'll add DFW to the list of connections at LAX someti
54 Goldenshield : SkyWest may be cheaper than running a mainline Delta flight, but SkyWest isn't the cheapest contract carrier by any means.[Edited 2012-12-21 10:20:47
55 DeltaMD90 : I don't see what the big deal is. It's a codeshare, not a JV. Just like SLC being a hole in AS' SEA network, SEA is a hole for DL at LAX. Even prior t
56 Post contains images mayor : Maybe it's actually because WN/VX business model doesn't call for flying to smaller cities which, for the most part, require flights by those "cheap"
57 threeifbyair : The E170/5 cabin is larger than the CR9 cabin. Bigger tube = bigger bins. My 22" rolling suitcase fits in an E-jet bin, but DL pink-tags it on the CR
58 Roseflyer : There is a lot of discussion that this is aimed at connections. Connections and feed play a factor, but I think DL is going after O/D on one of the bu
59 BoeingGuy : That's a really impressive list. PSA never did SEA-PDX as a tag-on?
60 PSA727LAX : I know this will date me a bit but I remember when DL was the "Official Airline of Disneyland" back in the day after US bought up PSA. I would love to
61 deltairlines : Where would DL fly to though? There's already 4x/day CR7 to LAX, 5x/day to SLC (2x 320, 1x CR7, 2x CRJ), 3x/day to MSP (2x 320, 1x 738) and 2x/day to
62 MesaFlyGuy : I've also noticed WN raising prices out of ISP too. I often find B6 and US much cheaper when I travel. Overall, I wish DL the best of luck with this
63 PSA727LAX : Well there is a lot of Capitol to Capitol activity between SMF & DCA/IAD. Also it would seem that SMF to LGA or JFK might be a possibilty. I just
64 slcdeltarumd11 : Exactly i think Delta sees increased demand with its flights out of SEA to Asia. Just like how AS sees it has enough demand to support SLC on its own
65 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I don't think DL's online connections are particularly valuable let alone foreign flag/interline. But on a related note, why are we to believe this d
66 MesaFlyGuy : If DL starts NYC-SMF, it would presumably be to JFK, seeing as LGA has the perimeter rule, unless DL wanted to do a Sat only service, but that wouldn
67 wedgetail737 : DL used to fly this route every hour on the hour back in the 1990's with 737-200's or better. DL is not new on the SFO-LAX route.
68 RWA380 : You would think so, but no PS did not ever offer a SEA-PDX tag. The list is a pet project I have been working on for a few months. The idea came to m
69 BlueBus : Sorry to ask this, but is there a link to the schedule to confirm DL is going to start SEA-LAX flights?
70 Post contains images mayor : As I recall, they were doing it with Tristars for awhile, too......probably in the 80s. I believe that LAX-SFO was a tag on from ATL or DFW. Probably
71 wedgetail737 : I've flown the route on 73S, 757 and 763's. The only time I've flown on a DL 733, was from SAN-LAX.
72 RWA380 : I've have flown their old WA 733's, PDX-LAX, LAX-SFO, PDX-SLC, SLC-BOI
73 yellowtail : I dunno why I get the funny feeling that after they are done with NYC expansion works, they are going to turn their attention to an expansion of LAX.
74 Viscount724 : When I just tried a random booking on delta.com for for mid-May, the only nonstops that appeared were those operated by AS.
75 PSU.DTW.SCE : I see the DL flights on SEA-LAX operated by Skywest, they are showing available and bookable on Delta.com. They display at the bottom of the list whe
76 klkla : I did a random search and found the flights. Interesting that coach was twice the price of Alaska with lowest available fare class being M. I wonder w
77 Jano : My hunch, they wan to sell them as connections, e.g. SEA-LAX-SYD. It might be DL is not interested in moving people between SEA and LAX. Only from SE
78 FlyASAGuy2005 : All the time. Delta's code is on AS's ATL-SEA flights.
79 BDL757 : I agree. While I'm sure we're not quite done in NYC, attention will be turned to the west coast. I know part of this year's flight plan was to 'devel
80 RWA380 : I 100% agree, the times seem to be helping connections in both directions. Don't forget just a few months ago, DL & AS CEO's made a "big announce
81 DTWPurserBoy : Funny thing is that back in the 70's and 80's NW flew that route with the 727. I remember being surprised at what a long flight it was.
82 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Its to feed LAX/SEA flights. period. hahahahaha woohooo burning money but damn they can hold their heads high. oh and WN doesn't have RJs in part bec
83 mayor : Got this from Departed flights: 10-27-74 DL system timetable...... Flight 1117....JAX-ATL-LAX-SAN/Tristar Flight 1119....LAX-SAN/Tristar Plus 3xdaily
84 SANFan : And aircraft positioning tags as well... Remember back when PSA (and everyone else ) flew SAN-LAX for $6-$8 and TSA hadn't been invented yet, LOTS of
85 mayor : I'm thinking, tags first.......non-rev specials second. For some reason, I don't believe that DL was allowed to carry any LAX boarding pax to SFO....
86 Post contains links AeroWesty : The intra-California routes in the schedules you posted aren't noted with any 'No Local Traffic' indications, leading me to believe that what's liste
87 mayor : They were, however flying LAX-SAN, according to the '73 schedules. Most of those flights appear to have originated out of state.
88 PIEAvantiP180 : Can you divulge any detail on what they might be working on in terms of gate space? I thought LAX was close or is maxed out on the number of gates th
89 usflyguy : That's what happens when an airport authority overspends on a new terminal. The airlines have to pay for it which is passed on to the consumers.
90 RWA380 : I wonder which it really is, an expansion from LAX or an expansion from SEA? After DL's "big announcement" in SEA a few months back, I can't help but
91 BA : The Port of Seattle needs to address the capacity issues of processing international arrivals in the South Satellite at Sea-Tac Airport soon if they w
92 wedgetail737 : I wonder if DL passengers, especially elite FF passengers, are having problems with getting good seats on AS, despite the number of flights. As I men
93 FlyASAGuy2005 : I don't see that one happening. If it's barely hanging on from ATL where the connection opportunities is much more vast, I don't see it from JFK. The
94 RWA380 : I think you are correct, this is the same reason AS will be flying to SLC next Spring. DL will not be vying for the local O/D market flying SEA-LAX-S
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