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Air China Starting PEK-IAH (Houston)!  
User currently offlineDFWHeavy From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 560 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20581 times:

With a superior J and F product on their 77W, this may be a threat to UA, especially without a connection on the west coast.

Also great for routing award tickets!

schedule from airlineroute:

eff 02JUL13 NEW 4 weekly Boeing 777-300ER service
CA995 PEK1500 – 1540IAH 77W x135
CA996 IAH0130 – 0500+1PEK 77W x246


Christopher W Slovacek
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User currently offlinerojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20548 times:

The plane will stay 10 hours on the tarmac in IAH. Can't CA use a better slot (evening departure) from PEK or are they trying to feed UA's early evening bank of flights?

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20467 times:

Quoting DFWHeavy (Thread starter):
With a superior J and F product on their 77W, this may be a threat to UA

I have flown CA in J on their 77W and UA is better. The CA seats are narrow, especially the little ottoman where you put your feet. Service is also hit or miss. UA has older flight attndants but at least they have personality.



John@SFO
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20454 times:

Air China is a Star Alliance member. IAH offers a good local market (oil and gas) and a nice array of connections.

China's largest oil companies - CNOOC, Sinopec and PetroChina - are all headquartered in Beijing. They probably have some dealings in Houston.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4299 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20416 times:

It will be interesting to see how this will affect TK's plans for the planned 4 x weekly IST-IAH, starting April. TK must have relied on connecting pax to China to some extent?

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20381 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 4):

It will be interesting to see how this will affect TK's plans for the planned 4 x weekly IST-IAH, starting April. TK must have relied on connecting pax to China to some extent?

Nah, completely different markets. CA is going to focus on IAH-China which by itself will fill about 110-120 seats a day. Connections shouldnt be hard to fill the rest of the plane. This flight will no doubt capture some traffic from DFW, ATL, and Florida which will help.

TK is going to be competing with QR and EK moreso.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 20353 times:

Everybody is trying to get into IAH......


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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20336 times:

Called it...   Glad to see more tails in the lineup at Terminal D!


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User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20323 times:
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I know that not all international carriers are created equal and, of course, there are exceptions. After my experience with SQ, there is no way, unless forced, I will fly on a US carrier overseas.

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2428 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20248 times:

Quoting rojo (Reply 1):
The plane will stay 10 hours on the tarmac in IAH.

If there's enough time to squeeze a tag-on to Star Alliance CM PTY hub that could be quite good.
But grant that the US visa requirement may deter some passengers from flying CA via IAH.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20247 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
Called it...   Glad to see more tails in the lineup at Terminal D!

Arriving in mid afternoon, D is going to start to look awfully crowded. Lord help us at an already backed up FIS facility there......



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 20168 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 9):
tag-on to Star Alliance CM PTY hub

I think UA wouldn't be too excited on that one, unless CA doesn't get 5th freedom rights.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 10):
Arriving in mid afternoon, D is going to start to look awfully crowded. Lord help us at an already backed up FIS facility there......

Amen brother! D really needs that expansion/renovation. And once, or if, the new FIS in B opens, I'm sure that'll take a huge load off the current FIS. I guess if it gets too crowded, they could open up the FIS facilities in D.



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16944 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 20107 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 6):
Everybody is trying to get into IAH......

Everyone except UA. Maybe they cut 10% and laid off 1000+ people so other carriers could eat their lunch more easily?  



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User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19986 times:

UA is getting into IAH too, the upped capacity on IAH-LHR.


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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7321 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 19981 times:

I typed this post on the "New Carrier at IAH Imminent" thread back in September:


"It wouldnt surprise me. IAH can use one more Asian destination, but they need to do it right. IAH-China is a very large market and a plane could easily be filled between IAH and PEK. I dont think IAH can support more than one more Far East destination based on O&D data, but an IAH-China flight would be great!

OZ could use the connections I suppose, but IAH-ICN is very small. "

and I typed these posts on the Future of IAH thread weeks ago:

"Im not sure I do. I have always maintained that an IAH-China route would be more valuble because the market is much larger than IAH-Korea.

It all depends on the connections they are shooting for. IAH-China could 3/4 of a 787 by itself and now that you dont need a visa to transit in PEK and the CA/UA partnership, it would be perfect."

"Based on the flight data, IAH can support one more Asian destination (in addition to Tokyo and Singapore) but not more than that in the near future.

In Texas, Seoul and Korea have much greater ties to the Dallas/Fort Worth area as well as North Texas than they do to Houston and South Texas. Heck, Austin-Seoul is not much smaller a local market than Houston-Seoul. However, China is very much the opposite. In Texas, Chinese ties are centered in the Houston area. The O&D is greater and the yields are similar.

I feel strongly that IAH-China would be better. I know Tdan and I may not see eye to eye on this one, but he makes a good arguement too. Its just a matter of what UA, CA, or OZ decide. Dont forget that if an airline decided to fly IAH-ICN, they have to compete with KE and AA both daily on DFW-ICN. If they decide on IAH-PEK, you get a larger market and no competition in this region."

I have always maintained that IAH would see another destination in Asia, but that it would not be ICN. I have always said that IAH could not really support a flight to ICN because of the lack of O&D. Korea-Texas is overwhelmingly DFW. However China-Texas is overwhelmingly IAH. That is why I have always said that the remaining hole to be filled on IAH-Asia needs to be China and PEK is the natural choice.

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 7):
Called it...  

I called it first my friend!  



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User currently onlineaznmadsci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 19659 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 11):
Amen brother! D really needs that expansion/renovation. And once, or if, the new FIS in B opens, I'm sure that'll take a huge load off the current FIS. I guess if it gets too crowded, they could open up the FIS facilities in D.

Have you gone through US-CBP at IAH? Terminal D needs more gate, but all international arrivals are processed at the IAB and shared by D and E. D no longer has its large processing area because of the expanded check-in counters for LH, SQ, EK, and QR as well as the expanded security area. The proposed FIS in Terminal B would process UA international flights mainly flown on narrowbodies and not any foreign carriers. If the lines on the D-side of immigration is too long and the E-side is rather short, the staff have been known to direct passengers to either side or vice versa.

Yes CA would arrive at the start of the busy international arrivals period, but then it seems the plane would get towed to hardstand until its time for flight to depart, which will be the time that it will be the last flight/first flight at that time of the night.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
I typed this post on the "New Carrier at IAH Imminent" thread back in September:

Just out of curiosity, what value is given for IAH-TPE? I think you gave it the last time but I just don't remember it.



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User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 1160 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 18975 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):
The proposed FIS in Terminal B would process UA international flights mainly flown on narrowbodies

Which is the vast majority of intl. flights into IAH. That would take a sizable load off the IAB at D/E. And I agree D needs more gates. It should've been expanded a long time ago.



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User currently offlineSteph3n From United States of America, joined May 2009, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 18331 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):

I have to respectfully disagree.

the CA product hard and soft, blows away united even in global first.
The united FAs are horrible, especially on the 747s and eve the AVOD is outdated and clunky.

The 77W on the other hand, is new and the FAs attentive and professional.
The CA staff go above and beyond what is required, and UA staff barely does the minimum if that much.

Add to that the CA first product option that is among the best in the world, and at a price just a pinch above business, AND with WIDE OPEN Award redemption to star alliance carriers, and CA will be a great benefit to Star for the IAH route.

I can't wait to do a chef made to order meal next summer now!


User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17160 times:

Quoting Steph3n (Reply 17):

I will still say UA J is better. I am *G with CA and was doing the PEK -SHA flight once a week for a year. I refuse to fly CA international as I had nothing but an impersonal experience.

But this is my opinion just as yours.



John@SFO
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 5885 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 16946 times:

Quoting aznmadsci (Reply 15):

Have you gone through US-CBP at IAH? Terminal D needs more gate, but all international arrivals are processed at the IAB and shared by D and E. D no longer has its large processing area because of the expanded check-in counters for LH, SQ, EK, and QR as well as the expanded security area. The proposed FIS in Terminal B would process UA international flights mainly flown on narrowbodies and not any foreign carriers. If the lines on the D-side of immigration is too long and the E-side is rather short, the staff have been known to direct passengers to either side or vice versa.

More times than you can imagine....usually coming in from BZE i get in behind the mid afternoon transatlantic arrivals....I spent 2 hours in line there last thursday....only places worse are LAX and MIA (well not any more at MIA). If I can I usually try to get to IAH on a later flight that gets there around 7 when the hall is usually empty

I have never seen the staff redirect arriving pax....but not saying they don't



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16597 times:

Was this the "True Asian airline with the national flag prominently displayed on its tail" that Houston mayor was talking about? maybe he saw a pic of their predecessor CAAC.

User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16292 times:

Wait... I thought the expansion of HOU was going to drive away new international carriers.         


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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 16224 times:

Nice! I had this in my Wish List topic over in the Travel, Polls & Preferences forum back in May 2011!

"CA
PEK-IAH (77W, 4-5 weekly)"

Several other wishes have been fulfilled recently as well, either directly (as called) or indirectly. I hope this continues!  



SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 835 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16158 times:

Quoting usflyguy (Reply 21):

It was not. UA was just arguing.



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User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 16144 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 20):
Was this the "True Asian airline with the national flag prominently displayed on its tail" that Houston mayor was talking about? maybe he saw a pic of their predecessor CAAC.

They still have a flag...but not on the tail.


25 MaverickM11 : It will go down as one of the most phenomenal self-defeating misteps in recent airline history LHR capacity is pretty flat going from 2 2-class 777s
26 drerx7 : Absolutely. I think UA really shot themselves in the foot on this one. Not exactly...those are 2-class 763s.
27 AVENSAB727 : Agreed, I think they will try to patch things up. I wonder what other carriers could follow Air China.
28 MaverickM11 : They're selling as 3 class on UA.com as far as I can tell
29 AVENSAB727 : Nah, they are 2 class. And they are refurbished with new screens, seats and bins. And they will look like brand new jets to the passengers, from the o
30 drerx7 : Hmm...the original plan was for 2-class birds with BFirst...perhaps those plans have changed.
31 AVENSAB727 : All 763s are being converted to 2 class.
32 AVENSAB727 : But I wonder if Air China could be up gauging their flight to daily in the near future. I think the flight will do well.
33 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Not the three cabin 763s It'll be increased faster than UA can backtrack on their temper tantrum
34 AVENSAB727 : But they will be 2 class, if they have changed it the changes would have been reported.
35 MaverickM11 : No it started as all two class, and now it's selling as all three class
36 AVENSAB727 : But they added a third capacity, and the planes are being refurbished.
37 AVENSAB727 : They are 3 class indeed, but they have Global First, business first and economy plus! They will have new bins and video screens.
38 drerx7 : Yes its a third frequency - but if they end up being 3-Class birds as it looks like it is now then you are looking at a net loss of 3 seats. 3 3 clas
39 LAXdude1023 : I don't think there is value to IAH-TPE. The local market is small and actually smaller than DF I cant see IAH-TPE being started. Its not a large mar
40 yvrsr : Is there a source confirming this new service? I can't seem to find any press releases. Thanks.
41 IAH59 : Don't forget IAH- IST , IAH - DXB , and, IAH - DOH.
42 Post contains images TWA772LR : It'a been done before so it wouldn't surprise me to see it make a comeback. I also see HKG as likely as TPE in the future, but my view is a one-or-th
43 IAH59 : Be nice to hear if Air New Zeland operates the Auckland flight rather than UA.
44 iahredhead : I agree. I would love to see NZ at IAH!
45 IAH59 : I wonder where Air China Check in desk would be in Terminal D and if they are going to share the lounge that Emirates, Qatar, Singapore, and, Lufthans
46 DolphinAir747 : So, is MIA-NRT the next American South-Asia route? Cue discussion 3...2...1...
47 LAXdude1023 : It's going to be neither. Neither IAH-HKG/TPE are substantial markets and in fact DFW-HKG/TPE are larger. IAH-HKG is especially out of the question.
48 STT757 : Your right, very interesting. It was as mentioned supposed to be three newly reconfigured two class 763s. I wonder where those aircraft are going ins
49 EddieDude : I second that! Fingers crossed. South-Asia? I do not understand what South-Asia has to do with a potential MIA-NRT.
50 IrishAyes : Ha. Funny you say that. Last night on my flight from ORD to DFW, a random UA employee showed up right before our scheduled departure time (not boardi
51 AVENSAB727 : They will still be 787 routes, the 772 will step in after 30 March.
52 TWA772LR : I need UA on this route. Not only so I can fly on it, but I want UA to start building up IAH and seeing what it's worth really is. If UA didn't have
53 mah4546 : Good size local market, sky high average fare.
54 AVENSAB727 : They will start building up IAH. They are up gauging routes.
55 IAH59 : I wonder if Air China will go to 5 flights a week or 7 flights a week?
56 IAH59 : Wait this flight is leaving at 1:30 in the morning?!?! Arrives when all the other Airlines that come into Terminal D arrives. So wheres the gate space
57 FlyingSicilian : AC uses Terminal A and normally comes from pre-cleared airports
58 IAH59 : I meant Air China. Still Terminal D will be packed imagine a day when some flights are delayed.
59 Post contains images TWA772LR : Like a weather day? In that case, go to B, my friend.
60 trex8 : If CI had equipment more efficient than a A343 for IAH-TPE (via SEA or anywhere) I could see them having 2-3 flights/week and cover their pax and car
61 aznmadsci : VA is Virgin Australia. VB is Viva Aerobus. Don't think we will see VA at IAH anytime soon. AC is Air Canada. CA is Air China. Know your codes. Raw d
62 IAH59 : I was thinking Air China might fly on Monday and Wednesday days that Singapore doesn't fly to IAH just a thought in my head.
63 aznmadsci : When CA starts services, SQ will be daily till August.
64 IAH59 : what do you mean till August?
65 IAH59 : Well If flights were delayed and the Euro airilnes didn't leave on time Terminal D will be packed that's what I mean.
66 Tdan : Good call on this one my friend! I'm shocked that CA moved so quickly into IAH and surprised that it comes before other large US-China markets for th
67 AVENSAB727 : I just noticed per airlineroute.net that Air China temporarily suspended reservations for the IAH-PEK service.
68 IAH59 : got us all hype for nothing.
69 legacyins : Not really. China Eastern did the same thing when announcing SFO. The CA flight is still in GDS but is not bookable. The flight will still go ahead.
70 IAH59 : hopefully they continue with IAH.
71 COflyerBOS : While it'll be nice to see another tail at IAH, I was personally hoping for OZ to Seoul. I fly to Bangkok at least 3 times a year and would love to ha
72 IAH59 : same would be a nice line up.
73 legacyins : I am sure CA will be offering connections to SE Asia from their PEK hub. The flight arrives not PEK at 0500 so there are bound to be con
74 COflyerBOS : True, but I'd rather fly with OZ than CA and I'd rather transfer via Seoul than Beijing. In fairness, I haven't flown with CA in nearly 20 years and a
75 legacyins : I also would go with OZ over CA.
76 IAH59 : Same I would take OZ rather than CA.
77 LAXdude1023 : Ill grant you its hard to beat OZ. However, CA's best days are ahead of them. China has a booming economy and CA is emerging as the countries best ca
78 IAH59 : Plus China and is one of Houston biggest trade partners as well.
79 UA787DEN : If this route lasts to 2015 (and no reason it wouldn't) I could see daily with some combo of 789 and 777. CA 789 at IAH would be pretty cool.
80 legacyins : Not doing as well as in the past. The last seven quarters have seen a decline but the West would love to see a GNP of 7%. Yes, they have improved but
81 thomasphoto60 : According to a post at Houston Spotters, this service is now not even showing up on the GDS.
82 AVENSAB727 : Some one screwed up in put it in too early.
83 legacyins : I will use MU as an example. A flight showed up in GDS last August stating a PVG-SFO route. It was never announced by the airline. From August to the
84 LAXintl : Flight was pulled from GDS as Air China forgot the little detail of applying for the route with the DOT. They finally formally applied on January 3rd.
85 AVENSAB727 : According to Houstonspotters.net, the announcement will happen on January 15, here is a quote from a user's post: "From my friend at the Chinese consu
86 IAH59 : Good news more jobs and more money for Houston!
87 abrelosojos : = What are you talking about? I am not a huge fan of UA, but CA? Seriously? Their crew can barely speak any English - it is even worse than some Lati
88 AVENSAB727 : I disagree. It does look like CA is improving.
89 hohd : Wow the number of carriers at IAH is increasing rapidly, first TK and now CA. CA will provide competition to SQ, UA (NRT service), EK (China/SE Asia/D
90 LAXdude1023 : They are just announcing the service. Dont know how many jobs it will create for Houston itself, but the serivce. Here is the difference, the market
91 AVENSAB727 : I hope so, UA never really punished Houston.
92 IrishAyes : Trust me, they won't. Airlines don't have the bandwidth to sustain glamour routes these days, especially not ULH ones. UA is also stretched out over
93 MaverickM11 : Chinese carriers aren't particularly good at anything, including regulatory issues, but I'm not sure how they missed this. If you think that is the c
94 AVENSAB727 : They made the cuts blaming the city of Houston, for cuts that were already going to happen. It seemed like punishment, but it really was not. UA was
95 MaverickM11 : Since then they've added multiple flights to each and every hub, perhaps bar GUM, except IAH. IAH is in timeout; UA is literally handing it over to O
96 AVENSAB727 : They added a third flight to LHR. And many of those new routes out of those hubs are already served by IAH.
97 MaverickM11 : Seats are down in LHR with that third flight. Other hubs are gaining new destinations. IAH has gained spite.
98 Tdan : If the flight was about local traffic, it would never have even been considered since there is virtually zero traffic between IAH and AKL. However, I
99 yellowtail : Good point...there is a lot of mineral / oil service traffic now between Houston and western Australia. NZ could capture that easily, if to get to PE
100 AVENSAB727 : why do you want IAH to get new destinations, anyway. Maybe UA is happy with how IAH stands. And they are up gauging flights too. IAH-BOG goes 2x Dail
101 FlyingSicilian : And IAH is losing destinations- (I am sure some underperform, like Paris, but they are still losing) Paris, Cedar Rapids, Del Rio, Beaumont (bus), Vi
102 AVENSAB727 : The money losing routes. And I would not be so sure. I wonder how UA could respond to CA coming to IAH.[Edited 2013-01-09 12:16:28]
103 MaverickM11 : KE has maintained/grown the market and yield since DL left so I think it's a strong market. AA will probably torpedo that however since the high yiel
104 AVENSAB727 : Well, those economies need new destinations, IAH is not the ONLY hub. and IAH has seen alot of upgauges in many of its big international routes. IAH
105 AVENSAB727 : I heard that CA was going to operate the route with a 787 initially, via rumors, or a 748.
106 MaverickM11 : IAH is the ONLY hub to not get a new destination--even CLE did, and it's probably the ONLY hub that is getting any, let alone tons of new OA service.
107 AVENSAB727 : But IAH doesn't really need a new destination. I think UA is happy where IAH is. There will be new routes, IAH-SCL is one in the rumors.
108 AADC10 : Have you flown on CA? The mainland Chinese carriers manage to be inferior to the 3 USA carriers to China. The only thing the mainland Chinese airline
109 drerx7 : United screwed the pooch...now they've got Spirit in the back yard along with other carriers sliding in. its very poor business to be at odds with a h
110 AVENSAB727 : But an up gauge will certainly affect frequency. IAH-BOG went to 2x daily. Seems like UA could be backtracking, or starting to.[Edited 2013-01-09 15:
111 drerx7 : Yes...reduce it. Its not bad from a yields standpoint, but bad from a customer standpoint and even Worse to do all of this in the classless manner in
112 LAXdude1023 : United has some problems, Spirit isnt one of them. Even with NK moving like crazy into DFW, AA could have cared less. They were much more concered ab
113 AVENSAB727 : Yeah, but UA can try to fix or at least counter it.
114 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Based on what?? CLE needs one but not the energy capital of the world?
115 COflyerBOS : Avensa- I love your passion for all things IAH, but you really need to think before posting. UA has not been kind to IAH since the merger. First, they
116 AVENSAB727 : Now I understand, but how will it come and bite them in the backside. Before UA realizes its misstep.[Edited 2013-01-09 15:35:46] Or this could all b
117 AVENSAB727 : To be honest to my heart, I think that UA is happy with IAH where it is now. This is just a theory, and might explain why no new routes where announce
118 aznmadsci : And that's just it, they're rumors, especially if you believe everything posted on this website. Unless you actually see the actual flight boarding,
119 AVENSAB727 : As far as I know there is going to an event on this service in the China Consulate in Houston on January 15.[Edited 2013-01-09 20:10:04]
120 thomasphoto60 : China (nor any country for that matter) has an Embassy in Houston. Embassies are in D.C. we have a Consulate.
121 AVENSAB727 : Thank you, I will make the correction.
122 IAH59 : United did a horrible thing but, I bet there regretting it. Also Turkish and Air China will add more passengers to Untied flights when they connect th
123 AVENSAB727 : I think they are too, I think this explains the upgauging on some routes.
124 MaverickM11 : They'll take more than they add, and anything they add to UA will be on the cheap side
125 AVENSAB727 : I think they add to make up for their mistake. UA made its mistake, now it needs to learn from them. IAH is United's highest profitable hub. I think
126 Post contains links IAH59 : Here is the offical news about AIr China coming to Houston. http://www.chron.com/business/articl...a-are-likely-this-year-4180473.php
127 FlyingSicilian : There you have it. Thanks for the link. As an aside, I find it funny that the Houston Chronicle's reporter's first name is Kiah...
128 bartond : I just got back from a flight LAX-PEK-HKT-PEK-SFO and I can't see how Air China is considered a 4-star carrier. The 77W was nice and new and was a ve
129 MaverickM11 : Then your addition is off, because a few cheap prorated passengers connecting from TK/CA beyond IAH on UA do not make up for a lack of even one singl
130 AVENSAB727 : It is not all about new routes. UA has more priorities at IAH than just new routes.
131 MaverickM11 : I admire your blissfully unaware optimism but it is just that.
132 AVENSAB727 : I don't think so. I think you too are unaware aswell, you only judge UA for the tantrum they raised about HOU, and you constantly ignore the REAL rea
133 MaverickM11 : You've gotta be kidding--between the history COflyerBOS posted, and the clear avoidance of IAH over several rounds of route/capacity additions, it co
134 AVENSAB727 : I dont think it is misplaced optimism. New routes will come to IAH in due course. But I think IAH is good where it stands now with UA, and with TK an
135 LAXdude1023 : I stand by my opinion that UA is simply using this opprotunity as an excuse to do what they wanted to any which is to eliminate un-profitable flying
136 AVENSAB727 : I agree with you, I stand by my opinion as well.
137 IAH59 : Maybe there update with IAH is the expansion at Terminal B hopefully Santiago does come back to IAH. I wonder how well Air France is doing at IAH? Any
138 MaverickM11 : That may be true, but since then IAH has very clearly been left out, and that goes far beyond 'right sizing' IAH. IAH is being punished, of course on
139 IAH59 : Obviously better now but, what are the numbers?
140 LAXdude1023 : We dont know and wont know for now. I dont think anyone can reveal financials on it. I imagine it will stablize at a 77W to be operated daily. Two ca
141 Post contains links FlyingSicilian : http://www.fly2houston.com/TrafficStats IT doesn't show costs, but the raw pax numbers are published via HAS via the link above. Air France in Nov 12
142 IAH59 : At least there improving so it shows signs that they will stay plus Air France experience is way better than UA. Why does British Airways have 2 loung
143 FlyingSicilian : While I am not perfect by any means it is GRAMMAR police time: they're as in they are, their books as in ownership, and there as in location. One BA
144 Tdan : For the most part, this is true, but the same could be said for any hub. IAH is being punished by UA and is at a double standard with the rest of the
145 Post contains images IrishAyes : KE actually maintained year-round flights from DFW all throughout, albeit on a 3-4x weekly basis, before eventually upgauging from a 772 to a 744. No
146 AVENSAB727 : Good point!
147 Post contains images LAXdude1023 : Ive seen numbers to show otherwise in the late part of last decade. I never said it lost money every year it operated. It never lost in the summer, b
148 IAH59 : Why did UA not cut IAH-CDG down to 4 to 5 times week?
149 MaverickM11 : No one said anything about cutting profitable flying What would you say are the macroeconomic conditions in IAH? What about in ORD? They're unviable
150 drerx7 : At one point they did...and they were down to flying it with the small capacity aircraft...which happens to be one of there least economical...the 76
151 AVENSAB727 : The other hubs had cuts too. FLL-SFO is one example.
152 LAXdude1023 : SFO-CDG is going to go down faster than a fat girl at last call. No way UA is going to make it work. It produced dismal results the first time and no
153 COflyerBOS : I don't think UA is punishing IAH. However, after the merger, many routes took major hits out of IAH. A lot of this was simply because the new merged
154 strfyr51 : I think you're forgetting HNL and NRT that are getting expanded flying not to mention GUM. IAH is not getting short changed unless you're STILL going
155 legacyins : [quote=LAXdude1023,reply=152] A couple of changes. 767 instead of a 777 and 2 classes, instead of three.
156 yellowtail : I would agree...while UA is going nowhere...they have lost some of the fierce loyal "fly CO at any cost" pax.....I for one know some IAH frequent fli
157 MaverickM11 : The schedule data is pretty crystal clear When? Where? NRT hasn't changed at all. I agree with everything you said, except for this, because everythi
158 klwright69 : Has everyone forgotton that LOS has only been around for just over 1 year? I find that is an impressive route addition from IAH. A longhaul 777, and s
159 AVENSAB727 : UA will grow IAH in due course. It is its largest hub, and it has received plenty of up gauges. UA is prolly happy where IAH stands now.
160 IrishAyes : Indirectly, yes, they did. Stating that an airline is "punishing" the hub through capacity cuts is basically implying that they're suspending privile
161 IrishAyes : It most certainly is. This is a huge data point that the IAH apologists choose to ignore. How come we aren't seeing the IAD fanboys making a big song
162 MaverickM11 : No one is implying they're cutting profitable flying. The airline breaks even in a good year--by definition they're unlikely to be cutting profitable
163 chicawgo : At least they seem to be putting ExPlus jets on more of those routes from ORD. I know there has been some shuffling of the ExPlus jets... have they m
164 klwright69 : IAH-LOS has been in place for only a little over a year. Obviously IAH is NOT being ignored out of spite.
165 MaverickM11 : LOS has been around since end of 2011; the HOU debacle went down in mid 2012, so there's no connection whatsoever.
166 iowaman : This thread has veered way off topic and has ran its' course. We have also received several requests to have this thread archived, so I think it is be
167 IrishAyes : Then what exactly ARE you implying? That you really think United is seriously making all these cuts out of spite, when all the data signs point towar
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