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Will CI Order The A380/B747-8?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Eva Air has ordered some. What about China Airlines? Will they order the A380 as well? Or perhaps the B 747-8?

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User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4769 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7651 times:
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BR has NO 747-8s or A380s on order!

CI just acquired 10 77ws with purchase options on another 4 which seem like a 744 replacement program China Airlines To Obtain 77Ws (by coolfish1103 Dec 6 2012 in Civil Aviation). They probably will get 747-8Fs eventually to replace their 21 744Fs. Which would seem to give the 7478I a leg up in any competition with the A380. though I wouldn't rule out A380s in the future perhaps but not anytime soon if they just went 77w for the 744 replacement.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):
though I wouldn't rule out A380s in the future perhaps but not anytime soon if they just went 77w for the 744 replacement.

I thought the 77Ws were initially replacing A343s?

Anyway I would have thought they would have a need for a few larger aircraft for routes to LAX and SFO mainly plus maybe NRT and HKG. I did always think CI were a good hope for the 747-8I program, I think they could use 6-8 for the above routes but maybe just more flights with 77Ws in future.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):
BR has NO 747-8s or A380s on order!

Oh really? Sorry about that

Do they still operate the B 747-400?


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7452 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 3):
Do they still operate the B 747-400?

BR still have 6 or 7 744s mix PAX and Combi. They seem happy with the 77W though. I'm not to sure weather they would need a VLA for probably similar routes as CI to LAX, SFO.


User currently offlineyyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7327 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):
They probably will get 747-8Fs eventually to replace their 21 744Fs. Which would seem to give the 7478I a leg up in any competition with the A380.

Agreed. CI seems like a very obvious 748F customer, which will make the 748i more likely.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25407 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7232 times:

744 pax flying at EVA is almost done as well.

They are down to 6 active frames as the 77W fleet has grown to 15. They have another 7 more (4 of which will be leased from GECAS) on the way as well.

Per their CEO they expect to park 2 more 744's in 2013 and last 4 before 2015. So basically another 24 months till they are gone at the most.


With this weeks CI order, they are following the lead of making the 77W their premier long-haul aircraft.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12150 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 1):
They probably will get 747-8Fs eventually to replace their 21 744Fs. Which would seem to give the 7478I a leg up in any competition with the A380.

I thought CI was considering either the B-777F or the A-330F as expansion for their cargo line? But the B-748F would be a perfect replacement for their B744Fs.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 6644 times:
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Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
I thought the 77Ws were initially replacing A343s?

That is true, I believe, but CI does have A350-900s on order so those will become the long-term A340-300 replacement, which will release the 777-300ERs to start replacing 747-400s.


User currently offlinecelestar From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Frankly speaking, I think CI desperately need 777-300ER. Their most profitable route are to NA West and East Coast. They are still using 747 which I don't have a problem, but comparing with EVA 777, the 747 is less economical, I think.
With more business coming from cross-strait traffic, CI should deploy their 747 to the short haul, heavy traffic route before their life is well spent.
I would love to see a CI 777 livery, it would be nice, does anyone has a rendition of that?
I would also love to see either BR or CI choose 787, but given how conservative they are, I really doubt that in the near future. Speaking about that, isn't SQ has ordered teh 787, does anyone has a artist rendition of that?


User currently onlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3560 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3194 times:
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I guess the question is within what time frame... in my opinion within the next year neither, one year maybe one or the other , within 5 years maybe both...

User currently offlinetommy525 From United States of America, joined Nov 2012, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3121 times:

Ci used to favor Airbus while EVA favored Boeing. Things have changed now with both liking to balance out their purchasing between Boeing and Airbus.

Both EVA and Ci have very recently placed substantial Boeing deals. The time seems ripe for an Airbus procurement. However, the fact that the A380 cancelled its Taipei trip (it was supposed to go there from Hawaii , before HK) may mean that no headway was made on A380 sales at this time.


User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

BR has firmly put its long-haul eggs in the 77W basket. CI seems to be mixing the 77W and A350-series. I think both carriers are firmly in the big-twin camp for near-term orders.

The 748 and A380 are possible, but (in my uninformed opinion) unlikely for now. While there are a few routes that would benefit from larger aircraft, there are too few routes to make a small fleet of them financially feasible.

I think both carriers are trying to increase yields by reducing the available number of seats on routes. I know that CI has, in the past few years, had pretty decent load-factors, but at rock-bottom yields, which has lead to it bleeding money.

Buying the 748 or A380 would only serve to increase the seats and dilute yields.

I can see BR's next big order being for A350-series aircraft as well, or possibly the 787-9, to replace and upguage its A332 fleet. BR is in no real hurry to replace the A332 fleet, instead it's being supplemented by A333 purchases/leases. BR's major concern now is replacing its short-haul fleet of MD-90 and DH8 aircraft, which are being replaced by A321 and ATR72-600 -- the first of each already being in service.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
I would have thought they would have a need for a few larger aircraft for routes to LAX and SFO mainly plus maybe NRT and HKG

The 77W would be able to perform these missions, wouldn't it? They could always go for A350-1000s later too, no?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 8):
CI does have A350-900s on order so those will become the long-term A340-300 replacement, which will release the 777-300ERs to start replacing 747-400s.

Since they already have A359s on o order maybe they could also order A350Ks later for missions that require additional capacity.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlinecelestar From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting tommy525 (Reply 11):
Quoting tommy525 (Reply 11):
Quoting tommy525 (Reply 11):

I read from a local Taiwan magazine that the A380 visit was arranged via Transasia who had recently received its very first wide body jet A330 - another one to come. Transasia is aggressively trying to expand itself under the shadow of CI and BR. It is seeing a healthy growth of business with cross-strait traffic and has been aggressively expanding to South East Asia and Japan. Ironically, the local aviation authority question why they should allocate flying rights if Transasia does not have wide body jet to carry the traffic, and therefore, the order for A330. Their CEO toy about the A380 idea!!!
Very sad to see A380 cancel its planned visit to Taiwan.


User currently offlinecelestar From Singapore, joined Jul 2001, 398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Quoting BreninTW (Reply 12):

My neighbor who used to be a FO with BR 747 fleet got his promotion to Captain and in an ironic rule within BR, he get transferred to UNI AIR (BR sister company) flying the MD90. He just returned back from France, presumably on a training trip to A321. Are you aware of this internal house rule within BR about promotion and have to change to another aircraft type, to me, that is kind of stupid or is there any better reasonable explanation?


User currently offlineBreninTW From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

Quoting celestar (Reply 15):
Are you aware of this internal house rule within BR about promotion

No, I'm not aware of the rule. However, it's not an uncommon rule, I know that MH has a similar rule in place. A friend was L/H cabin crew, and when he was promoted to a purser, he had to go onto the domestic fleet for (I think) two years before he could be a purser on L/H again.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
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