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Turkish Airlines To Lease 7x 777  
User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21223 times:

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/22217359.asp

According to this column, Turkish Airlines has finalized the lease of seven Boeing777. They will start to be delivered in May next Year.
Any guess, which B777 were available?? Air India??

Another interesting information, they will take optional A333. Didn't know TK had these Options.

and finally we have talked about TK expanding its lounge facilities abroad. the first one to be finished soon in Moscow Vnukovo. LHR, JFK T1 and CDG to follow

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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21220 times:

Good news; are these in addition to the 15 already ordered?

That's going to be quite a large fleet!


User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21182 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):

I guess so. The 20 Boeing 777-300ER ordered will join the fleet from 2014-2017.


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Reply 3, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 21145 times:
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Good news for TK! They are one of the fastest growing airlines I've seen in a while.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 4, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21103 times:

They could again be coming from Jet Airways as well. 9W is in the process of taking delivery of A333s, yet there is no sign of any significant longhaul expansion, so the airline has likely excess widebody capacity available. 9W currently has 5 B77Ws leased out to TG, which will gradually be returned as TG's own B77Ws are introduced in the fleet. 9W previously had exactly 7 B77W frames leased out to TK and TG.

User currently offlinetkfan From Turkey, joined Oct 2007, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21019 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 4):
They could again be coming from Jet Airways as well. 9W is in the process of taking delivery of A333s, yet there is no sign of any significant this);" class="badspelling">longhaul expansion, so the airline has likely excess this);" class="badspelling">widebody capacity available. 9W currently has 5 B77Ws leased out to TG, which will gradually be returned as TG's own B77Ws are introduced in the fleet. 9W previously had exactly 7 B77W frames leased out to TK and TG.

Are you sure that 9Ws 77W are for lease again??
This would mean Turkish Airlines is forced to reintroduce First Class. If so, I hope this time it will work better for TK.

On another note, if the rumors of Etihad to take a stake in Jet is true, I have my doubts TK can get those birds.


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3067 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21017 times:

Quoting tkfan (Thread starter):
LHR, JFK T1 and CDG to follow

LHR, really? I expect them to move into the new T2 when that opens, which has one large common Star Alliance lounge. Why spend all that money for a lounge you will only use in the short-run?

Same applies to CDG really. Isn't the Star lounge sufficient? I guess CDG might have more space designed for dedicated lounges, unlike new T2 at LHR.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 20952 times:

Quoting tkfan (Reply 5):
This would mean Turkish Airlines is forced to reintroduce First Class

Air India aircraft also have First Class installed. TK could sell those seats as J if they wanted to avoid costly reconfiguration. A subfleet of 7 identically configured aircraft (I hope we are indeed talking about indentical configurations) would actually be manageable.

I do not see any other sources for these aircraft, at least not if they are to come from a single source. CX and CZ both have 772A models available, but neither of them have 7, and I am not sure that TK would even be interested in these aircraft. EK has 3 + 6 772A and 772ER frames, which will eventually be retired, but that also does not fit the total of 7.

Quoting tkfan (Reply 5):
Are you sure that 9Ws 77W are for lease again??

Well, for sure 9W has not been growing its longhaul network (BRU JFK and DEL MXP cut, nothing new added), while the airline is currently taking delivery of new A333 equipment. So what is to happen when the 5 B77Ws currently on lease to TG are returned?


User currently offlineleftyboarder From Turkey, joined Apr 2008, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 20789 times:

These surely are to manage the shortage of equipment until the new orders arrive. IAH, possibly KUL, MEX, CCS, SFO all require additional capacity till 2014. I bet they regret not ordering more back in 2010.

User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20361 times:

These are surely the 7 77L's AI have that they want to get rid of. I bet TK picked them up at very low lease rates. The F cabin can always be re-configured to TK's requirements.

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20345 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 9):
These are surely the 7 77L's AI have that they want to get rid of

AI has a fleet of 8 B77Ls, not all of which were offered for lease. Why would TK take 7 out of 8?


User currently offlineNorthstar80 From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19958 times:

The article says that TK will do modifications (probably change the seats) to the leased planes.


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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12466 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19907 times:

Is AI also trying to get rid of some -300ERs?

Would TK be interested in -200LRs?


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19684 times:

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 8):
These surely are to manage the shortage of equipment until the new orders arrive. IAH, possibly KUL, MEX, CCS, SFO all require additional capacity till 2014. I bet they regret not ordering more back in 2010.

How much more can TK expand at IST? I thought the airport was quite crowded already as is.



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 18496 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 13):
How much more can TK expand at IST? I thought the airport was quite crowded already as is.

I've been in transit in IST several times now, and it was definitely not the best experience. Rude airport staff and security, bad signage, impossible to find an available seat and rest, and overall an overcrowded airport. I know this is purely subjective, but I prefer to avoid IST at any cost. TK promotes itself as the best airline in Europe, but the moment you set foot in their main hub, that experience goes down the drain.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17616 times:

Expected news.
TK's Kotil past week mentioned they were short 5 WB frames for 2013. I was expecting it could be a mix of 777 and 332s since 332s easier to find.
-3 brand new 77Ws arrive 2014 and 7 more in 2015.
-So these 7 leased frames will be used by TK for about 2-3 years.
-I wonder it makes sense to receive them by next Feb, change the seat configs and be ready in April for IAH and others?
-Maybe TK will use its new subsidiary that makes airplane seats for this.
-Both AI and 9W have First Class, I hope they sell those seats as J and sell business seats as Comfort, instead of putting new seats in.
-Also this could be a good opportunity for TK to test the 77L, maybe Australia??

-And the usual IST situation??
-TK have ready flight crews/techs for another 7 frames or more foreign hiring?

Whatever the case, always exciting to watch TK.


User currently offlineLLA001 From Turkey, joined May 2005, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15833 times:

I hope they will convert the seat configuration, I hate when they change the seating arrangement due to plane changes last minute,

I have a question, since I live in Istanbul I never passed through Transit at Ataturk Airport. I always see a long line there, do you have to check-in and confirm your transit with someone or is it just the security line to get to departure gates ?


User currently offlineytz From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 1995 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 14):
I've been in transit in IST several times now, and it was definitely not the best experience. Rude airport staff and security, bad signage, impossible to find an available seat and rest, and overall an overcrowded airport. I know this is purely subjective, but I prefer to avoid IST at any cost. TK promotes itself as the best airline in Europe, but the moment you set foot in their main hub, that experience goes down the drain.

Agree on most this. Washrooms were disgusting.

That said, coming from North America, I prefer TK and their Comfort Class to anything else across the Atlantic. And given the reasonably short changeovers, the airline does make up for the airport.


User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 15045 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 17):
Agree on most this. Washrooms were disgusting.

IST can be a big mess for sure but of the million flights I took from IST, I never saw "disgusting" washrooms.. That's a pretty bold statement for such a modern airport...



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User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14823 times:

Quoting LLA001 (Reply 16):
I have a question, since I live in Istanbul I never passed through Transit at Ataturk Airport. I always see a long line there, do you have to check-in and confirm your transit with someone or is it just the security line to get to departure gates ?

In my case I did not have to check-in or re-confirm my onward travel in IST. However, the lines are long at peak hours. Often only two airport guards to check your onward boarding card. There are several things you have to do before you can continue to the departure hall depending on your nationality and destination. Some need to buy a transit visa before proceeding and/or need to go through extra security screening if traveling to the USA, Canada, UK and Israel.

Quoting ytz (Reply 17):
That said, coming from North America, I prefer TK and their Comfort Class to anything else across the Atlantic. And given the reasonably short changeovers, the airline does make up for the airport.

With access to TK lounge IST is a whole other experience.

[Edited 2012-12-23 12:17:38]

User currently offlineETinCaribe From Ethiopia, joined Dec 2009, 734 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14525 times:

Quoting ytz (Reply 17):
That said, coming from North America, I prefer TK and their Comfort Class

Agreed. That was the main selling point for me. IST was not too bad, yes, the staff is not very helpful but they seem overwhelmed by the amount of crowd they have to deal with.


User currently offlineymincrement From Turkey, joined Jul 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14471 times:

I hope they will take out all 34x's and buy more 777's

User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13802 times:

The think is it won't do TK's long-term image any good as a hub & spoke airline if the transfer hub if IST airport can't handle the huge expansion. EK has grown on the back of DXB's superb facilities for example.

User currently offlinetroest From Denmark, joined Mar 2008, 169 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13744 times:

Quoting ymincrement (Reply 21):
I hope they will take out all 34x's and buy more 777's

If TK plans to initiate more destinations to Latin America the 343s can come in handy for hot and high altitude airports.


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (1 year 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 13646 times:

Quoting troest (Reply 23):
343s can come in handy for hot and high altitude airports.

Might well be the case. 343 are owned aging from 13-20 years old. They might be still in the fleet for another 3-4 years.
Any more ideas where these 7 T7s coming from?


25 TJCAB : I did this, may this year. Just my experience...
26 ytz : AI's 8 77Ls would be interesting. Other than that, I'd be curious which airline has this much capacity lying around. Doesn't bode well for Comfort Cla
27 EddieDude : MEX is a big if. I don't see it happening in a long while. Why would TK go for 77Ls? They operate 77Ws. It would not make sense to get the smaller bi
28 FI642 : Rumor has it that World Airways is also looking for some 777's to replace their MD-11's
29 TK787 : Nothing official, I hope that it doesn't happen.
30 gokmengs : This is some interesting yet very TK like development. They waited to order the planes yet they are growing and launching routes, so they shoot first
31 EddieDude : I have read excellent reviews on TK's Comfort Class product here on a.net, so hopefully they will only right-size the J- and W-class cabins rather th
32 ytz : In a pinch, I decided to use a handicapped single washroom. Light was motion activated and no switch. Kept going on and off. Place stunk of smoke and
33 ytz : They could stand to go 8-abreast with one more row in that cabin. So 80 seats instead of 63. That would also let them lower the price a tad.
34 gokmengs : Anyone have any confirmation regarding where these frames are coming from? Or what other possibilities are there besides AI 777L's?
35 7BOEING7 : GECAS
36 gokmengs : Thanks for the reply, I understand they will be leased from GECAS, Which TK have a great relationship, but my question was who has these frames now?
37 7BOEING7 : I'm guessing they're some of the 16 GECAS still has on order
38 HB-IWC : No way that we are talking new frames, as these are relatively short term leases in anticipation of TK's newly ordered frames, which will start arriv
39 ba319-131 : - I don't think SQ are ready to offload 77W's yet, they have more on order yet, it's the 772's and 773's that are slowly on the way out.
40 aeroblogger : 9W 77Ws.
41 7BOEING7 : Let's look at this a little differently. Does it make sense that if you want capacity and are only doing a short term lease you wait another year and
42 gokmengs : Valid point, it also could mean the deal could be for a wet lease. IIRC the previous 9W deal was a wet lease.
43 na : Most likely the planes will come from Jet Aw I would say. I just came back from India yesterday, and I´ve done 4 flights to and from Mumbai and Delhi
44 PlaneHunter : What I find quite telling is that all five 77Ws in the fleet have operated long-haul flights in the last few days. Sure, AI wants to get rid of five
45 HB-IWC : You overlook the fact that between December and May, 9W will add at least 4 A333s its its fleet, while the wet leases to at least 3 of 5 B77Ws to TG
46 PlaneHunter : No, I don't overlook anything. Better read again what I have replied to. PH
47 Post contains links BLRAviation : Only the initial part of the lease to GF and TK were wet leases. IIRC after about six months, the leases were converted to dry leases. All 5 77Ws in
48 karan69 : I would hardly call that Sunbathing , they provide convinient business time flights and also connect with the UA flights to LAX/SFO from HKG. Infact
49 karan69 : As per some sources a 4 aircraft deal has been signed with 9W , these will be the Current aircraft which are with TG which will go to TK as their leas
50 gokmengs : As was predicted,so where are they getting the other 3 frames?
51 skipness1E : Emirates is really struggling as Dubai has some of the worst queues and disinterested passport control on the planet. That's the fly in the ointment
52 DolphinAir747 : Might they test the waters on IST-SFO?
53 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like they won't be the AIN 77L's--going to Ukraine www.flightglobal.com/airspace/blogs/john_dyer/default.aspx
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