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Is UA To LOS Affecting DL?  
User currently offlineTriple7LR From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

I know DL tagged flights between IAH-ATL-LOS and vice versa but I noticed today that flt 54 and 55 are now tagged to BWI. Has the launch of UA to LOS already impacted DL?

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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7553 times:

Quoting Triple7LR (Thread starter):

I know DL tagged flights between IAH-ATL-LOS and vice versa but I noticed today that flt 54 and 55 are now tagged to BWI. Has the launch of UA to LOS already impacted DL?

DL always tags international flights with domestic segments.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7505 times:

Yes. DL's front cabin depended mostly on Houston, hence the tag. With the nonstop, that is now gone, and that is a major revenue loss for DL.


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User currently offlineIAH59 From Pakistan, joined Nov 2012, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7499 times:

Delta did a tag from Houston to Dubai.

User currently offlineTriple7LR From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 1):

I know that. Just noticed they no longer tag IAH to LOS. Now they tag it to BWI.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6769 times:

Yeah Triple, I'm not sure why they chose BWI. I guess since UA started IAH, DL beancounters have come to the conclusion that BWI would be 2nd best...No clue as to why! Interesting.

User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Maryland has a large and growing Nigerian population (in fact I think it might be the state with the largest Nigerian population, although Houston and New York City have larger populations than any one place in Maryland), that is the only reason I can think of as to why DL would link it to BWI.

User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6659 times:

BWI is one of their top flow destinations, if not the top destination, hence the thru flt


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5895 times:

Maybe they should tag IAH to the JNB flight


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User currently offlineklwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2069 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5629 times:

It is interesting to look at UA flights 142 and 143. It will always tell you how many seats are booked in Business First on the day of travel, and of course it shows the standby list for BF.

I look at this flight a lot. BF is often heavily booked on these flights. Sometimes BF is at or near capacity.

I can believe DL has been negatively affected by this flight.


User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days ago) and read 5526 times:

I wouldn't go that far. DLs flights perform well if not very well in BE, based on bookings. I couldn't tell you what the yields were but we don't know that for UA either. There is plenty to go around for both airlines.

User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7687 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (1 year 10 months 2 days ago) and read 5288 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):

Why? IAH is not a dominate contributor to the ATL-JNB flight the way it was for ATL-LOS.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4740 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 10):
I wouldn't go that far. DLs flights perform well if not very well in BE, based on bookings. I couldn't tell you what the yields were but we don't know that for UA either. There is plenty to go around for both airlines.

Houston is the largest front cabin market to LOS by far from the US, and DL was getting the vast majority of it before UA started the nonstop. Now it's getting very little of it--that is a huge amount of revenue they have to backfill, and I don't see another source that could make up for the IAH loss. BWI for instance, is entirely coach traffic.



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User currently offlinemah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4488 times:

It'll be interesting to see how the flight does long term and if Delta tries to move it to JFK. While filling the plane is easy, Africa-U.S. hasn't turned out be as lucrative as many - myself included - thought it would be.

A plane filled with VFR from the South to Nigeria isn't going to be lucrative these days, even though the market from Nigeria to places like Atlanta, Texas and Florida is growing and a nice pace.

Though U.S. carriers have the advantage of being on much more stable ground than the local airlines. Who knows how long Arik Air will be around, and Kano Air's application for FLL and BWI service was probably just to give an intern something to so with their spare time.



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1893 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3738 times:
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IAH - LOS is also serves the oil company execs that travel between the 2 countries as well as the general Nigerian population of the Houston area.


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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Quoting toobz (Reply 5):
Yeah Triple, I'm not sure why they chose BWI. I guess since UA started IAH, DL beancounters have come to the conclusion that BWI would be 2nd best...No clue as to why! Interesting.
Quoting Polot (Reply 6):
Maryland has a large and growing Nigerian population (in fact I think it might be the state with the largest Nigerian population, although Houston and New York City have larger populations than any one place in Maryland), that is the only reason I can think of as to why DL would link it to BWI.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 7):
BWI is one of their top flow destinations, if not the top destination, hence the thru flt

BWI cannot support Non-Stop service, but the through-flight is very attractive to the Nigerian population in the Baltimore/Washington Catchment area. They tagged it previously, so it's not surprising to see it back.



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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

All I was saying was the flights do well in BE based on bookings. I understand what you are saying about Houston..I agree it's the biggest market. However, it seems other people from other cities are still using DL service and filling the front end nicely.

User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

I can't honestly believe that, in the year 2012, domestic tags in the United States mean literally anything at all.

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User currently offlinetoobz From Finland, joined Jan 2010, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 10 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3400 times:

I've been checking loads on DL to LOS. Good luck getting a BE seat. If not sold out there's about 2-3 seats left. DL is using newly configured BE on these flights. Very competitive product!
And I'm not just looking at a seat map on Delta.com. So it is obviously not hurting Delta much at all.
Plus think about it, would you really want to suffer on UA for 12hrs... :-P joking of course


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

On a related note, I completely forgot DL's partner in Nigeria, Air Nigeria, folded months ago.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 13):
Africa-U.S. hasn't turned out be as lucrative as many - myself included - thought it would be.

   With the exception of ATLJNB, DL's African adventures have been all over the map, literally



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User currently offlinedrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):

I would agree, except they do show up in inventory first.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2214 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 19):
With the exception of ATLJNB, DL's African adventures have been all over the map, literally

Planning on doing BZE-ATL-JNB next Nov in BE. Can't wait! Its a great connection both ways and it is something that DL should promote more of in the Central America / Caribbean region.



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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2941 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2078 times:
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Somewhat on topic. Last week I was on the UA non-stop 767-400 to GIG from IAH, the plane was packed as was BF, the guy next to me said he was doing his 28 days off shore, he said many of his work buddies were in BF. I did think "wow, UA is really carving out their piece of the petro industry" how many BF seats are there on a UA 764?

And, BTW, it was a perfect flight in every way, no reason to criticize UA service on that flight anyway. No wonder they are putting the 787 on the Lagos flight. No doubt they make big bucks on that route. No?

Do all UA oil flights do so well? (like Kuwait, Bahrain and Dubai- though I assume Dubai is a lot of business and tourist too)



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
Last week I was on the UA non-stop 767-400 to GIG from IAH, the plane was packed as was BF, the guy next to me said he was doing his 28 days off shore, he said many of his work buddies were in BF. I did think "wow, UA is really carving out their piece of the petro industry" how many BF seats are there on a UA 764?

IAH-GIG is a stellar performer. Yields are very good. Lots of oil related cargo down below too.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17659 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (1 year 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):
"wow, UA is really carving out their piece of the petro industry"

A piece? They have a hub in the oil capital of the world.



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