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Lufthansa In Short Haul?  
User currently offlineymincrement From Turkey, joined Jul 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 7098 times:

Hello everyone!

I would like learn your ideas about Lufthansa in short haul (in Europe)

Nowadays there are alots of low cost or smaller companies which are flying in Europe with more reasonable prices

Do you think did it affect LH?? As regarding past esp. in 80's & 90's LH had bigger improvement steps about fleet and ground services..

Also short haul fleet 32x & 737's are getting older and heavy maintanences will make them less profitable I guess. İs not it a problem for LH even they have the best maintanence company in Europe?

In my Europe flights ı generally choose LH bec they fly izmir from munich. Even they are not the reasonable priced (sunexpress is more reasonable from izmir) even they do not have the best service I guess I feel safe with them!!

Merry christmas!!

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User currently offlineVCy From Cyprus, joined Dec 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6915 times:
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Quoting ymincrement (Thread starter):
Nowadays there are alots of low cost or smaller companies which are flying in Europe with more reasonable prices

Do you think did it affect LH??

I'm gonna talk as far as LCA is concerned. I don't think this effected them here because of their strong network which allows Cypriots to connect to places like the USA, Canada and other European countries, most notably Spain.


User currently offlineymincrement From Turkey, joined Jul 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 7 months 18 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

Quoting VCy (Reply 1):

Yes if we are talking about transit flights you are definetly right. I am flying them by same way by 2 steps munich then where ever else..

But ı am curious about if they are still reasonable for direct fligths any German city to other European citirs?

Thanks
Onur


User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5119 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 6609 times:

Quoting ymincrement (Reply 2):
But ı am curious about if they are still reasonable for direct fligths any German city to other European citirs?

LH and Swiss are often the cheapest option for me from BUD to AMS and DUB. Of course I take FR and W6 and EI too, but there are moments that especially for business travel the LH flights are my only option.

And I take a onestop over a nonstop anytime  



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlinesantos From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

Quoting ymincrement (Reply 2):
But ı am curious about if they are still reasonable for direct fligths any German city to other European citirs?

I guess if they have competition, you will be able to find cheap fares, but if they are the only airline flying directly to a certain destination, expect to pay a lot more.
Lufthansa has claimed many time that their short haul operation doesn't make a profit, loss after loss hence the new Germanwings operation!


User currently offlineilari From Finland, joined Jul 2005, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2878 times:

I've bought a €99 return ticket from HEL to MUC a few times. Now that's reasonable, including everything: meals, luggages, OLC etc. They seem to offer this price to FRA, DUS and BER as well.

User currently offlineymincrement From Turkey, joined Jul 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Yes definetly Germanwings is their nice option inside europe. But GW as I know flies to Antalya in summer season

I also want to know about LH cityline operations.. According to what they use it. For ex. İn early morning or late at nigt munich to amsterdam you fly with cityline planes but in day time you fly with LH. Do they use ctyline as dead time flyiers?

LH is also cheap option for me although TK is my national airline!!


User currently offlinemayhem From Belgium, joined Feb 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Also taking LH over LCC carriers 99% of the time.
In my experience LH
- #1 reason: FF program (now senator with them, so would pay probably 25% more just to fly them given lounge access etc)
- is very competitively priced
- offers a decent product (seat pitch, hard, but free, sandwich, free coffee in MUC, FRA)
- sense of professionalism vs. sense of cheapness at LCC

Only reason why I have flown a LCC over a traditional carrier is when LCC offers nonstop where a traditional doesn't.


User currently offlinefn1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I have good experiences with LH and *A, whenever there was a problem with one flight it was solved by switching to another flight or airline within the group, even with the cheapest ticket. Another nice experience was when I finished a meeting earlier than expected, the agents at the check-in counter were able to put me on an earlier flight back home, if there were free seats. I usually fly between OTP, FRA, WAW and VIE, so little chance to get a LCC or something else than *A.


Mai bine să-ţi fie rău decît să-ţi pară rău.
User currently offlinejoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3161 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting ymincrement (Thread starter):
Also short haul fleet 32x & 737's are getting older and heavy maintanences will make them less profitable I guess

Every airplane needs replacement some day. Not only because maintenance costs increase, but also newer aircraft consume less fuel.

LH is in the middle of upgrading it's Europe-fleet:
- Since October 2011 they have stored and begun scrapping of 22 737s (14x 733, 8x 735). The remaining 41 frames are planned to be retired by 2016.
- LH is phasing out all 70-seaters (CR7, DH8) and has already phased out all 50-seats (CR1, CR2, AT4).
- LH has outstanding orders for: 5xE195, 1xA319, 24x A320, 25x A320neo, 2x A321, 5x A321neo. This is enough to replace all 737s, and also older A320s can be replaced by neo's once they arrive.

So they will be okay for many years ahead.

Quoting ymincrement (Reply 6):
I also want to know about LH cityline operations.. According to what they use it. For ex. İn early morning or late at nigt munich to amsterdam you fly with cityline planes but in day time you fly with LH. Do they use ctyline as dead time flyiers?

Very simple: CityLine is used when you don't need a bigger airplane than a CRJ.


User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting ymincrement (Thread starter):
Nowadays there are alots of low cost or smaller companies which are flying in Europe with more reasonable prices

Do you think did it affect LH??


Yes it did !! LH short/medium haul operations are loss making. They had to elaborate a bailout. Consequently, as from July 1 2013, all european routes will be operated by their low cost subsidiary Germanwings, which will offer 3 types of service / fare ("basic" : no catering on board, no luggage allowed - "smart" : like their current economy service, with 23 kg of luggage - "best" : premium serice like their current business class and 46 kgs of luggage).



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User currently offlineUALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2738 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1708 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 10):
Consequently, as from July 1 2013, all european routes will be operated by their low cost subsidiary Germanwings

As I understand it, only the European routes that do not start or end in FRA or MUC will be operated by 4U.



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User currently offlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 609 posts, RR: 16
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting UALWN (Reply 11):
As I understand it, only the European routes that do not start or end in FRA or MUC will be operated by 4U.

Correct, this will affect operations from Berlin, Cologne, Düsseldorf, Hamburg, Hanover and Stuttgart.



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