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CZ Flights From China To South America Via AKL?  
User currently offlineKiwinlondon From New Zealand, joined Dec 2011, 68 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8673 times:

CZ seem to be building a bit of a presence in AKL. There has been some speculation that CZ (and possibly other Chinese airliines) might be interested in routing flights to South America via AKL.

We of course know that LA have a codeshare with CX to HKG from SCL via AKL.

Does anyone have any information on any of this?

Kiwinlondon

[Edited 2012-12-25 12:06:52]

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User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7722 posts, RR: 41
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Interesting. What airplane would CZ use? Could the 77W do, say, AKL-EZE? I am choosing EZE because it is a SkyTeam hub like CAN.


Next flights: MEX-JFK-FCO AM 788/AZ 77E | DBV-BEG-BUD JU AT7/733 | BUD-AMS 738 | AMS-MEX 74M
User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8120 times:

Yes I believe the 77W could make AKL-EZE and they could codeshare with AR who recently eliminated the AKL stop from their SYD-AKL-EZE route.

User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):

Interesting. What airplane would CZ use? Could the 77W do, say, AKL-EZE? I am choosing EZE because it is a SkyTeam hub like CAN.


The only issue is that CZ does not operate the 77W. Their primary long haul aircraft are the A380, 772ER and A332.



John@SFO
User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7722 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Haven't they ordered it? Maybe I am confused.


Next flights: MEX-JFK-FCO AM 788/AZ 77E | DBV-BEG-BUD JU AT7/733 | BUD-AMS 738 | AMS-MEX 74M
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8005 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):

Yes, you are correct. I believe they ordered 10-777-300ER in February of this year.



John@SFO
User currently offlineFuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7939 times:

Would ETOPS be a problem for this sort of route on a 772ER or 77W?

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7161 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7914 times:

Quoting Fuling (Reply 6):

Yes it would. NZ did a 77W charter flight to EZE this year and I was reading about it in the staff magazine. The routing they took to remain within ETOPs restrictions was quite different to what the 340's take. Adds a fair whack of time as well if I'm not mistaken


User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7743 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 7):

Sounds not dissimilar to the issues VA had in operating MEL-JNB with their 77Ws.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7715 times:

Quoting nickofatlanta (Reply 8):
Sounds not dissimilar to the issues VA had in operating MEL-JNB with their 77Ws.

Yep. Unless CZ deploy their A380, none of the options they have expressed interest in would really work. The A380 is too big for it though, and with no other 4 engined aircraft, they dont have much to offer.

It hasn't been just AKL they have looked at apparently, it is also SYD and MEL that also are in the mix.


User currently offlinejustinlee From China, joined Aug 2012, 333 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Rumor says because NZ wants the traffic right between PVG-LHR. For exchange, CZ wants the traffic right from AKL to somewhere in South America. But CZ doesn't have a suitable plane for that route actually.

User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1946 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5757 times:

The plan for CZ is cooperate with Aerolineas Argentinas to extent its services to South America. CZ operate the CAN-AKL route and AR AKL-EZE. Part of this plan was informed in August when AR joined to SkyTeam. However for this plan AR needs to relaunch its flights to AKL.

Best Regards,

[Edited 2012-12-26 05:01:00]

User currently offlinepetrhsr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3937 times:

330 minutes ETOPS on the 77W and 77L. NZ was the first airline to buy-in. Puts AKL-EZE well within capabilities. In fact, 330 minutes puts SYD-GRU in range.

User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7624 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3706 times:

Quoting petrhsr (Reply 12):
330 minutes ETOPS on the 77W and 77L. NZ was the first airline to buy-in

They maintain to that EDTO330 standard yes,but are not currently endorsed above EDTO 240 - this will come once the standard has been maintained for a predetermined length of time. Incidentally the 77Es are also now undergoing the same maintenance transition from EDTO180 to EDTO 240. Bare in mind that the NZ charter to EZE was operated within EDTO240, so NZ 77Es will be able to reach South America easily.CZ have expressed interest in some kind of partnership with NZ. I believe that if it was implemented that it would be on a routing like this.

The CZ 77Es currently are old and tired with very dated interiors, you may as well fly AR 342a.. 


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5546 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 13):
Incidentally the 77Es are also now undergoing the same maintenance transition from EDTO180 to EDTO 240. Bare in mind that the NZ charter to EZE was operated within EDTO240, so NZ 77Es will be able to reach South America easily.CZ have expressed interest in some kind of partnership with NZ. I believe that if it was implemented that it would be on a routing like this.

So the FAA appears to be close to appoving > EDTO 180 minutes on RR/PW powered 77E's. It has long been my postion that NZ need the FAA to issue this approval before they can operate to and from South America with anything other than a 77W.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 9161 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting justinlee (Reply 10):
Rumor says because NZ wants the traffic right between PVG-LHR. For exchange, CZ wants the traffic right from AKL to somewhere in South America. But CZ doesn't have a suitable plane for that route actually.

AKL-SCL should be well within the range of the A332/B772ER with ETOPS 240, but that's about it. Both LIM and EZE are a bit too far.


User currently offlinenickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 11):

Could they not just have the partnership through SYD not AKL?


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