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Will UA Fly To KUL/MNL?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9148 times:

UA had plans to fly to KUL back in the 80s but this never happened. Will this become a reality? Perhaps as a connecting flight via HKG or NRT?

What about MNL? Will they return some day?

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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9091 times:

A lot has changed from 2009, apparently, when you previously asked this question: Does UA Fly To MNL Still? If Not Why? (by United Airline Jun 25 2009 in Civil Aviation).

Well, technically, UA now flies to MNL, but from Guam. And Koror (Palau).

I'm not inclined to believe UA will launch new services to the Philippines anytime: any non-stop flights will probably be shot down by PR, which will oppose any new competition on its bread-and-butter routes to North America (to the point that it opposed the further liberalization of the Philippines-US bilateral back in the day). And I don't know if they're willing to route through another Asian city, as they do for SIN, SGN and the like.

In fairness, now that NH serves MNL (in contrast to what Viscount724 said back in the previous thread), UA can more reasonably serve the Philippines through them, rather than fly here on their own metal.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9075 times:

United commenced a NRT-MNL flight last year as part of its JV with ANA. Flight is specificaly designed to connect to UA services at NRT.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
United commenced a NRT-MNL flight last year as part of its JV with ANA. Flight is specificaly designed to connect to UA services at NRT.

But the flight is operated with NH metal, not UA. As far as I'm concerned, UA is not commencing anything at all: they may have codeshared with NH as part of their JV, but it's still an NH flight.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 9006 times:

Its a JV flight, and as result it is metal neutral. So flight is as much a UA one as NH from the business end.

Under the JV, UA-NH share all cost and revenues as if they were a single carrier.

If not for the JV, this and other flights would not have been possible.


Anyhow we discussed this thread topic recently:
Why Did UA Pull MNL? (by olddominion727 Oct 1 2012 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

UA has Daily SFO-HNL-GUM-MNL Service

and 2 Extra "daytime" flights from Guam

and 2 GUM-ROR-MNL flights

that is about 1,400 seats per week from the mainland to MNL thats more than fine for now ..

777 HNL to Guam with 2,436 seats for week on an Island of 160,000 so lots of seats for Manila


User currently offlinestrfyr51 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 1414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8148 times:
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UA and 191 and183 both serve MNL out of GUM.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6968 times:

What aircraft does UA use to fly to MNL?

And will UA give KUL a try? KUL is so boring in a way and should attract more airlines especially from the US


User currently offlineIrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2241 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):

United commenced a NRT-MNL flight last year as part of its JV with ANA. Flight is specificaly designed to connect to UA services at NRT.

Indeed. I flew SEA-NRT-MNL on NH back in October and return and the flight from NRT to MNL is basically half full with UA PAX connecting from ORD, SEA, LAX, SFO, IAD, IAH, EWR etc. On the return, I was originally supposed to fly MNL-GUM-HNL and there were a fair amount of MNL-HNL traffic as well as mainland traffic using that route as well.

My MNL-NRT flight was delayed on the return and annoyingly most people missed their connecting flights to the States. Transfer in NRT was a disaster. I made my SEA flight by a hair.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):
What aircraft does UA use to fly to MNL?

737-800.



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User currently offlinealfa164 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 617 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 7):

I suspect you will see a US airline in KUL soon, but it won't be UA. With Garuda in line for ST membership, DL will probably add flights from NRT. They have a habit of adding flights to the hubs of new ST members.


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5373 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting alfa164 (Reply 9):
I suspect you will see a US airline in KUL soon, but it won't be UA. With Garuda in line for ST membership, DL will probably add flights from NRT. They have a habit of adding flights to the hubs of new ST members.

Garuda is an Indonesian airline with it's hub at CGK, so I don't think you're going to see them flying to KUL anytime soon. As I recall from previous discussions (which haven't changed much since OP last asked his question), U.S./KUL is pretty low yield, so I don't think you're going to see either UA or DL add an intra-Asia tag to KUL. I suspect the most we're going to get is the current UA flight from GUM.



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User currently onlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8506 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6339 times:
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If Malaysian can't make LAX work why would UA want Kuala Lumpar ? Malaysia and Thailand are just not viable markets for their airlines to the USA.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26151 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6275 times:

NWA tried KUL once. Did not work well and dropped after only a few years. Even NW freighter service to KUL did not work out well in the long run.

Additionally US-Malaysia market is only about 1/3 size of US-Singapore, and lacks the premium demand SIN can generate.

If UA were to look at KUL, it would be via the ANA JV, but I have no idea how NH views Malaysia as a market.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

I think instead of KUL UA should be looking at restoring DPS, perhaps to LAX via GUM. The tourist traffic between the West Coast of the US and DPS has to be greater than to KUL.

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User currently offlineFI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (1 year 12 months 1 day ago) and read 5326 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):

NWA tried KUL once. Did not work well and dropped after only a few years. Even NW freighter service to KUL did not work out well in the long run.

It was a dismal failure. Loads were extremely low, and cargo revenue was almost non-existent.



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2937 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 5228 times:

With Malaysia Airlines entering Oneworld in just over a months time, there is likely to be some cooperation between Malaysia Airlines and American Airlines on MHs current LAX-NRT-KUL service.

Malaysian have recently implemented codeshares with Japan Airlines too to boost its 'coverage' of major US ports like Chicago, Boston off the top of my head. I believe Malaysian is also looking to code-share with BA and AA across the Altantic via LHR, CDG, FRA and AMS for ports like JFK, EWR, IAD, MIA.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26005 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
I think instead of KUL UA should be looking at restoring DPS, perhaps to LAX via GUM. The tourist traffic between the West Coast of the US and DPS has to be greater than to KUL.

Longhaul routes that depend exclusively on tourist traffic are rarely profitable.


User currently offlinelawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
Malaysia and Thailand are just not viable markets for their airlines to the USA.

While a little off topic, you're right in pointing out that US-BKK only works from the US side of things. US carriers can pool their entire US network into NRT and then carry these passengers profitably enough onward to BKK. TG can't do that. TG only has access to one city in the US and they've been relatively terrible about codesharing with US carriers. TG's online reservation engine also makes it difficult to book anything beyond LAX. Its transpacific flying can't rely on LAX passengers alone considering the competition existent in LAX and the insufficiency of Thais living and visiting LA. (Even though LA has the highest concentration of Thais living in any one US city, it's still not that many compared to other minority groups, and not enough to justify a transpacific flight on its own. By some accounts it's only 80,000. For a route that wouldn't rely on much premium traffic, that is not enough.)


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
Longhaul routes that depend exclusively on tourist traffic are rarely profitable.

That's why it should stop in Guam to pick up Government traffic, and to offer connections from Japan.



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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 12 months 22 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

GUM-DPS was axed after Bali Bombing #2 you just cant make it work from the USA and Japan with stuff like that  

The flight was 90% Japan conecting traffic via Guam


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6672 posts, RR: 55
Reply 20, posted (1 year 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4):
Its a JV flight, and as result it is metal neutral. So flight is as much a UA one as NH from the business end.

UA and NH may have a JV but there's really no thing such as "metal neutral"; either it's one airline or the other. The words are a misnomer for the average passenger and spotter.

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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (1 year 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 4190 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 20):
there's really no thing such as "metal neutral"

Actually there is...much like with A++ (the JV between UA/AC and LH Group) all revenue and costs on the flights that are part of the JV are split between UA and NH. It doesn't matter which airline operates the flights or which airline sells the ticket it all goes into the same pot.



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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6672 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (1 year 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Quoting United1 (Reply 21):
Actually there is...much like with A++ (the JV between UA/AC and LH Group) all revenue and costs on the flights that are part of the JV are split between UA and NH. It doesn't matter which airline operates the flights or which airline sells the ticket it all goes into the same pot.

I understand that but the aircraft flying is always from ONE airline; either UA or NH, UA or AC etc. The aircraft itself is not a white aircraft; it's an aircraft in ONE airlines color.

The777Man



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User currently offlinefactsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

Capacity between the USA and KUL has been improved this Winter season with the frequency expansion by the MH/KL cooperation on KUL-AMS-KUL from 14x to 17x weekly - currently the highest frequency KUL-Europe route. The airlines provide frequent one-stop connection from KUL to all of USA via AMS. The US East Coast being just 21 hours away from KUL over Europe and 24 hours over the Pacific.

KUL departures connect to both the early morning departures AMS-USA and the afternoon departures AMS-USA.

- dep. 09:50 KUL - arr. 15:15 AMS KL 0812 Non-Stop B777 Sun
- dep. 09:15 KUL - arr. 15:15 AMS MH 9214 Non-Stop B777 Sun
- dep. 09:50 KUL - arr. 15:35 AMS KL 0812 Non-Stop B747M Tue, Thu
- dep. 09:50 KUL - arr. 15:35 AMS MH 9214 Non-Stop B747M Tue, Thu
- dep. 23:45 KUL - arr. 05:55 AMS KL 0810 Non-Stop B773 Daily
- dep. 23:45 KUL - arr. 05:55 AMS MH 9016 Non-Stop B773 Daily
- dep. 23:59 KUL - arr. 06:35 AMS KL 4102 Non-Stop B777 Daily
- dep. 23:59 KUL - arr. 06:35 AMS MH 16 Non-Stop B777 Daily


- dep. 12:00 AMS - arr. 07:00 KUL KL 4103 Non-Stop B772
- dep. 12:00 AMS - arr. 07:00 KUL MH 17 Non-Stop B772
- dep. 12:35 AMS - arr. 07:20 KUL KL 0811 Non-Stop B747M
- dep. 12:35 AMS - arr. 07:20 KUL MH 9215 Non-Stop B747M
- dep. 12:35 AMS - arr. 07:30 KUL KL 0811 Non-Stop B772
- dep. 12:35 AMS - arr. 07:30 KUL MH 9215 Non-Stop B772
- dep. 20:50 AMS - arr. 15:45 KUL KL 0809 Non-Stop B773
- dep. 20:50 AMS - arr. 15:45 KUL MH 9017 Non-Stop B773

MH operates 14 weekly to LHR T4 non-stop
MH operates 7x weekly to CDG non-stop
MH operates 5x weekly to FRA non-stop.
LH operates 4x weelky to FRA with 1x stop


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 12 months 8 hours ago) and read 3612 times:

Quoting The777Man (Reply 22):
I understand that but the aircraft flying is always from ONE airline; either UA or NH, UA or AC etc. The aircraft itself is not a white aircraft; it's an aircraft in ONE airlines color.

It's still metal neutral in that it doesn't matter which airline flies the flight....that's all metal neutral means. Of course it will still be scheduled as one airline or the other....



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25 quiet1 : At one point I recall speculation that UA had considered extending the SFO-TPE flight to continue TPE-KUL, but they ended up cancelling the SFO-TPE se
26 The777Man : That was exactly my point. The777Man
27 United1 : ...but you are incorrect that there is no such thing as metal neutral. The JV schedules capacity and flights as if there is no difference between the
28 The777Man : I'm not disagreeing with you on that; all I'm saying is that each airline is different therefore any flight is operated by ONE airline. I simply don'
29 AeroWesty : It does matter, actually. Fly a UA flight under a UA flight number, and you'll receive credit towards UA Million Miler status. Fly the same flight un
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