Well, technically, UA now flies to MNL, but from Guam. And Koror (Palau).
I'm not inclined to believe UA will launch new services to the Philippines anytime: any non-stop flights will probably be shot down by PR, which will oppose any new competition on its bread-and-butter routes to North America (to the point that it opposed the further liberalization of the Philippines-US bilateral back in the day). And I don't know if they're willing to route through another Asian city, as they do for SIN, SGN and the like.
In fairness, now that NH serves MNL (in contrast to what Viscount724 said back in the previous thread), UA can more reasonably serve the Philippines through them, rather than fly here on their own metal.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22062 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7568 times:
United commenced a NRT-MNL flight last year as part of its JV with ANA. Flight is specificaly designed to connect to UA services at NRT.
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Akiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 607 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2): United commenced a NRT-MNL flight last year as part of its JV with ANA. Flight is specificaly designed to connect to UA services at NRT.
But the flight is operated with NH metal, not UA. As far as I'm concerned, UA is not commencing anything at all: they may have codeshared with NH as part of their JV, but it's still an NH flight.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22062 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
Its a JV flight, and as result it is metal neutral. So flight is as much a UA one as NH from the business end.
Under the JV, UA-NH share all cost and revenues as if they were a single carrier.
If not for the JV, this and other flights would not have been possible.
IrishAyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 1731 posts, RR: 5 Reply 8, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5220 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
United commenced a NRT-MNL flight last year as part of its JV with ANA. Flight is specificaly designed to connect to UA services at NRT.
Indeed. I flew SEA-NRT-MNL on NH back in October and return and the flight from NRT to MNL is basically half full with UA PAX connecting from ORD, SEA, LAX, SFO, IAD, IAH, EWR etc. On the return, I was originally supposed to fly MNL-GUM-HNL and there were a fair amount of MNL-HNL traffic as well as mainland traffic using that route as well.
My MNL-NRT flight was delayed on the return and annoyingly most people missed their connecting flights to the States. Transfer in NRT was a disaster. I made my SEA flight by a hair.
I suspect you will see a US airline in KUL soon, but it won't be UA. With Garuda in line for ST membership, DL will probably add flights from NRT. They have a habit of adding flights to the hubs of new ST members.
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4980 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4851 times:
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 9): I suspect you will see a US airline in KUL soon, but it won't be UA. With Garuda in line for ST membership, DL will probably add flights from NRT. They have a habit of adding flights to the hubs of new ST members.
Garuda is an Indonesian airline with it's hub at CGK, so I don't think you're going to see them flying to KUL anytime soon. As I recall from previous discussions (which haven't changed much since OP last asked his question), U.S./KUL is pretty low yield, so I don't think you're going to see either UA or DL add an intra-Asia tag to KUL. I suspect the most we're going to get is the current UA flight from GUM.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 22062 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4768 times:
NWA tried KUL once. Did not work well and dropped after only a few years. Even NW freighter service to KUL did not work out well in the long run.
Additionally US-Malaysia market is only about 1/3 size of US-Singapore, and lacks the premium demand SIN can generate.
If UA were to look at KUL, it would be via the ANA JV, but I have no idea how NH views Malaysia as a market.
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STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16261 posts, RR: 52 Reply 13, posted (4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4744 times:
I think instead of KUL UA should be looking at restoring DPS, perhaps to LAX via GUM. The tourist traffic between the West Coast of the US and DPS has to be greater than to KUL.
FI642 From Monaco, joined Mar 2005, 1056 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3819 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
NWA tried KUL once. Did not work well and dropped after only a few years. Even NW freighter service to KUL did not work out well in the long run.
It was a dismal failure. Loads were extremely low, and cargo revenue was almost non-existent.
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MAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2916 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3721 times:
With Malaysia Airlines entering Oneworld in just over a months time, there is likely to be some cooperation between Malaysia Airlines and American Airlines on MHs current LAX-NRT-KUL service.
Malaysian have recently implemented codeshares with Japan Airlines too to boost its 'coverage' of major US ports like Chicago, Boston off the top of my head. I believe Malaysian is also looking to code-share with BA and AA across the Altantic via LHR, CDG, FRA and AMS for ports like JFK, EWR, IAD, MIA.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 21495 posts, RR: 24 Reply 16, posted (4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3673 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 13): I think instead of KUL UA should be looking at restoring DPS, perhaps to LAX via GUM. The tourist traffic between the West Coast of the US and DPS has to be greater than to KUL.
Longhaul routes that depend exclusively on tourist traffic are rarely profitable.
lawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 186 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3548 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11): Malaysia and Thailand are just not viable markets for their airlines to the USA.
While a little off topic, you're right in pointing out that US-BKK only works from the US side of things. US carriers can pool their entire US network into NRT and then carry these passengers profitably enough onward to BKK. TG can't do that. TG only has access to one city in the US and they've been relatively terrible about codesharing with US carriers. TG's online reservation engine also makes it difficult to book anything beyond LAX. Its transpacific flying can't rely on LAX passengers alone considering the competition existent in LAX and the insufficiency of Thais living and visiting LA. (Even though LA has the highest concentration of Thais living in any one US city, it's still not that many compared to other minority groups, and not enough to justify a transpacific flight on its own. By some accounts it's only 80,000. For a route that wouldn't rely on much premium traffic, that is not enough.)
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 56 Reply 20, posted (4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2996 times:
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 4): Its a JV flight, and as result it is metal neutral. So flight is as much a UA one as NH from the business end.
UA and NH may have a JV but there's really no thing such as "metal neutral"; either it's one airline or the other. The words are a misnomer for the average passenger and spotter.
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United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5338 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2683 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 20): there's really no thing such as "metal neutral"
Actually there is...much like with A++ (the JV between UA/AC and LH Group) all revenue and costs on the flights that are part of the JV are split between UA and NH. It doesn't matter which airline operates the flights or which airline sells the ticket it all goes into the same pot.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 56 Reply 22, posted (4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2340 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 21): Actually there is...much like with A++ (the JV between UA/AC and LH Group) all revenue and costs on the flights that are part of the JV are split between UA and NH. It doesn't matter which airline operates the flights or which airline sells the ticket it all goes into the same pot.
I understand that but the aircraft flying is always from ONE airline; either UA or NH, UA or AC etc. The aircraft itself is not a white aircraft; it's an aircraft in ONE airlines color.
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factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 325 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2293 times:
Capacity between the USA and KUL has been improved this Winter season with the frequency expansion by the MH/KL cooperation on KUL-AMS-KUL from 14x to 17x weekly - currently the highest frequency KUL-Europe route. The airlines provide frequent one-stop connection from KUL to all of USA via AMS. The US East Coast being just 21 hours away from KUL over Europe and 24 hours over the Pacific.
KUL departures connect to both the early morning departures AMS-USA and the afternoon departures AMS-USA.
MH operates 14 weekly to LHR T4 non-stop
MH operates 7x weekly to CDG non-stop
MH operates 5x weekly to FRA non-stop.
LH operates 4x weelky to FRA with 1x stop
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5338 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 22): I understand that but the aircraft flying is always from ONE airline; either UA or NH, UA or AC etc. The aircraft itself is not a white aircraft; it's an aircraft in ONE airlines color.
It's still metal neutral in that it doesn't matter which airline flies the flight....that's all metal neutral means. Of course it will still be scheduled as one airline or the other....
quiet1 From Thailand, joined Apr 2010, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 25, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2142 times:
At one point I recall speculation that UA had considered extending the SFO-TPE flight to continue TPE-KUL, but they ended up cancelling the SFO-TPE service. It would seem a way to get their foot in the door to KUL and to help prop up the SFO-TPE loads with the through passengers on an airplane that otherwise would sit idle overnight in TPE.
Now that UA is reinstating SFO-TPE -- and on a 744 to boot -- I wonder if that option has been considered again.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5338 posts, RR: 8 Reply 27, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
Quoting The777Man (Reply 26): Quoting United1 (Reply 24):
Of course it will still be scheduled as one airline or the other....
That was exactly my point.
...but you are incorrect that there is no such thing as metal neutral.
The JV schedules capacity and flights as if there is no difference between the airlines in the JV. Think of it as a kind of wet lease...the JV schedules UA or NH based on which airline has available capacity sized to meet the demand on that route. Take ORD-NRT for instance...come this summer the JV will be operating 3 daily flights on the route. 2 77Ws and a 1 772...from NH and UA perspective its irrelevant which airline operates the flights. All 3 are jointly marketed, sold and all revenue and cost is shared.
The777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6088 posts, RR: 56 Reply 28, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1648 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 27):
Quoting The777Man (Reply 26):
Quoting United1 (Reply 24):
Of course it will still be scheduled as one airline or the other....
That was exactly my point.
...but you are incorrect that there is no such thing as metal neutral.
The JV schedules capacity and flights as if there is no difference between the airlines in the JV. Think of it as a kind of wet lease...the JV schedules UA or NH based on which airline has available capacity sized to meet the demand on that route. Take ORD-NRT for instance...come this summer the JV will be operating 3 daily flights on the route. 2 77Ws and a 1 772...from NH and UA perspective its irrelevant which airline operates the flights. All 3 are jointly marketed, sold and all revenue and cost is shared.
I'm not disagreeing with you on that; all I'm saying is that each airline is different therefore any flight is operated by ONE airline.
I simply don't agree with the term metal neutral from a spotter's perspective. For the airline and perhaps passenger as well, it may not make a difference. NH is NH UA is UA. The color of the aircraft at the gate has the colors of one airline.
Same with a wet lease; one airline operates the flight.
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AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 18878 posts, RR: 64 Reply 29, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1625 times:
Quoting United1 (Reply 24): It's still metal neutral in that it doesn't matter which airline flies the flight....that's all metal neutral means. Of course it will still be scheduled as one airline or the other
It does matter, actually. Fly a UA flight under a UA flight number, and you'll receive credit towards UA Million Miler status. Fly the same flight under the NH codeshare, and you'll still receive credit towards Million Miler status. Fly an NH flight using the UA codeshare, and you'll receive zero credit towards Million Miler status.
Metal still counts, even with flights covered by the JV. Anything else is simply a.net mythology.
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