LH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5830 times:
With LH cancelling various destinations of their longhaul network over the past two years like PDX, YYC, CAN, CGK, CCU, HYD and the rumours about BKK (and together with BKK certainly the tags to KUL and SGN) being on the edge, are there any rumours for new destinations or will we at best see more flights to Star Hubs like IST or ORD?
airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 811 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5610 times:
From what I hear inside LH, there is nothing "HOT" as of now. Vancouver flights from MUC will be added in the summer season.
If I were to speculate I would put my money on another Chinese destination (maybe Shenzhen, now with Shenzhen Airlines part of Star Alliance) and Panama City (big hub for Star partner Copa) in the nearer future.
Fuling From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 187 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
My best is another African Long Haul flight, I'm thinking Nairobi or Dar es Salaam. Maybe a flight routed from FRA-NBO-DAR-NBO-FRA. And with good connection times, it could work well I think.
I'm not too sure about air service agreements between Germany, Kenya and Tanzania though.
jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7345 posts, RR: 7 Reply 4, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4186 times:
Quoting airevents (Reply 1): If I were to speculate I would put my money on another Chinese destination (maybe Shenzhen, now with Shenzhen Airlines part of Star Alliance) and Panama City (big hub for Star partner Copa) in the nearer future.
Panama City would be a great LH destination with Copa. Copa flies their 737NG's to every city you have never heard of in Latin America and they do not fly to Europe. PTY is a better connection airport even for Colombia where COPA has Copa Colombia, LH also also to BOG.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4119 times:
I doubt that there is enough traffic to support a flight to Dar es Salaam, unless they find oil in that region. LHCargo operates to NBO daily as route stop to JNB and certainly to pick up flowers on the return flight. There is an air servic eagreement in place, as Condor serves Mombasa as well as Zanzibar occasionally.
PTY is served by Condor as well, who are known for finding niche markets. I believe that KLM is covering the majority of the Europe-PTY traffic.
LH506 From Ecuador, joined May 2007, 448 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4019 times:
I have to agree on PTY.
Will be interesting to see how LH will cover SCL afterr JJ leaves Star. Maybe a tag from EZE?. How much of a diversion is FRA-PTY/LIM-SCL?
How about LIM anyhow?
factsonly From Montserrat, joined Aug 2012, 317 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3997 times:
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 4): Copa flies their 737NG's to every city you have never heard of in Latin America and they do not fly to Europe.
COPA has been codesharing from PTY to Europe for several years now in cooperation with KLM. The airline's changeover from SKYTEAM to STAR has made no difference.....as yet:
- 19.05 PTY - arr. 11:10 AMS CM 8058 Copa airlines B777 daily
- 11:35 AMS - arr 16.45 PTY CM 8057 Copa airlines B777 daily
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 8, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3904 times:
LIM is actually the most likely from what has been said so far. Don't remember when and where, but I heard that the city is high on the agenda. Tag flights are not that popular anymore, but a continuation to SCL might be a possibility.
UALWN From Andorra, joined Jun 2009, 2331 posts, RR: 2 Reply 9, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3683 times:
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 8): Tag flights are not that popular anymore, but a continuation to SCL might be a possibility.
LH and LX used to fly to SCL via GRU. Now JJ assures a seamless connection in GRU to SCL, but this is going to end whenever JJ leaves *A. At that point, LH and LX will need another way of getting their passengers to SCL.
LipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11201 posts, RR: 61 Reply 11, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3561 times:
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Quoting LH506 (Thread starter): With LH cancelling various destinations of their longhaul network over the past two years like PDX, YYC, CAN, CGK, CCU, HYD and the rumours about BKK (and together with BKK certainly the tags to KUL and SGN) being on the edge, are there any rumours for new destinations or will we at best see more flights to Star Hubs like IST or ORD?
FRA-LIM and FRA-SCL in my view.
Quoting LH506 (Reply 6): Will be interesting to see how LH will cover SCL afterr JJ leaves Star. Maybe a tag from EZE?. How much of a diversion is FRA-PTY/LIM-SCL?
Quoting UALWN (Reply 9): LH and LX used to fly to SCL via GRU. Now JJ assures a seamless connection in GRU to SCL, but this is going to end whenever JJ leaves *A. At that point, LH and LX will need another way of getting their passengers to SCL.
SCL can be better covered thru GRU or GIG. EZE would mean a longer trip, and not a big advantage for LH. And in Brazil they can manage to connect MUC/ZRH/FRA (GRU) or introduce a second flight to GIG (or EZE) and do the same.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
migair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1279 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3557 times:
Quoting Fuling (Reply 3): My best is another African Long Haul flight, I'm thinking Nairobi or Dar es Salaam. Maybe a flight routed from FRA-NBO-DAR-NBO-FRA. And with good connection times, it could work well I think.
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5): I doubt that there is enough traffic to support a flight to Dar es Salaam, unless they find oil in that region. LHCargo operates to NBO daily as route stop to JNB and certainly to pick up flowers on the return flight. There is an air servic eagreement in place, as Condor serves Mombasa as well as Zanzibar occasionally.
Actually it´s could be done, or even FRA-JRO-DAR-FRA, nowadays JRO is getting more and more attention, own dedicated flight from KLM, turkish also flying there, Qatar Airways, Kenya Airways (soon to be close and back all to PW), and DAR is a developing place, and there´s no oil but there´s a lot of Gas in the south and lot of mining and lot of tourism.
Quoting LH506 (Reply 6): Isn't LX already flying to DAR and NBO?
Yes, LX already operates Zurich-NBO-DAR, That´s why i see it difficult to happen, and also Ethiopian offering plenty of DAR, JRO and ZNZ.
What about HRE?? I think they could do nicely there after many years, I think now the market can be good again. EK just started via LUN.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3457 times:
I wouldn't be surprised to see PHX and PTY start up, and CAN or SZX. The A333 or 343 (depending on the route and premium market) could work a few times a week.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7771 posts, RR: 26 Reply 14, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3345 times:
Quoting UALWN (Reply 9): LH and LX used to fly to SCL via GRU. Now JJ assures a seamless connection in GRU to SCL, but this is going to end whenever JJ leaves *A. At that point, LH and LX will need another way of getting their passengers to SCL.
I know all that, and that's why I pointed out that a tag via LIM to SCL might be a solution.
DALCE From Netherlands, joined Feb 2007, 1581 posts, RR: 7 Reply 15, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3294 times:
LX used to operate ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH, but ceased the tag on after JJ joining *. With LX getting some new extra metal the upcoming Nothern Summer, could LX operate let's say 3x weekly ZRH-SCL-ZRH direct? Looks better to me than FRA-SCL as LX has a weak presence in Latin America with only daily flights to GRU.
flown on : F50,F70,CR1,CR2,CR9,E75,143,AR8,AR1,733,735,736,73G,738,753,744,319,320,321,AB6. Next flights AMS-ZRH-AMS on
rafabullara From Brazil, joined Dec 2010, 38 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3233 times:
I think that LIM can be served via BOG with *A partner Avianca, and SCL has a better option since 3 aircrafts of LH group keeps parked at GRU enough time to do this tag, and will be able to connect for MUC, ZRH and FRA
SCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8267 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2958 times:
Quoting LH506 (Reply 17): How big are the chances of Avianca Brazil starting the GRU-SCL service on behalf of LH?
AV Brasil will have to fill the void left by TAM when TAM officially leaves the Star Alliance. AV Brasil or any other carrier that does not have any partnerships or commercial ties with LATAM can obtain slots from LATAM to launch GRU-SCL. It's highly likely that O6 will eventually launch GRU-SCL. However, O6 will have to deal with fierce competition from LATAM on the route. LA/JJ will continue to dominate the SCL-GRU route which will increase to 9x daily. Similarly, AV-TA competes with LAN on the LIM-SCL route in which TA will reduce frequency on the route to a single daily service. Meanwhile LAN will increase frequency on the LIM-SCL route up to 10x daily...
RAGAZZO777 From Peru, joined Jul 2010, 553 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2950 times:
Quoting UALWN (Reply 9): I wouldn't be surprised to see LH open back up PDX and PHX.
Not too sure about Phoenix, especially if US Airways exits Star Alliance. The FRA-PDX route was cancelled only 3 years ago so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one either.
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Quoting DALCE (Reply 15): LX used to operate ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH, but ceased the tag on after JJ joining *. With LX getting some new extra metal the upcoming Nothern Summer, could LX operate let's say 3x weekly ZRH-SCL-ZRH direct?
The thing is: does SWISS have any aircraft able to fly ZRH-SCL non-stop ? Can the A343 do that ?
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Quoting rafabullara (Reply 16): I think that LIM can be served via BOG with *A partner Avianca
Which is the status quo, but that way LH will remain a non-attractive option for flying between Peru and Europe.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1961 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2926 times:
I would wonder if there would be a chance that MUC-DEN would be a possibility to restart?
LH tried this a few summers ago, and then cancelled it rather quickly after a summer. From what I read between the lines from the press release about the cancellation here, it seems that this route had no problem filling the planes, but that the premium traffic was being cannibalized from the FRA-DEN flight. And we know that these airlines take their premium traffic very seriously.
Maybe if and when the premium traffic increases, maybe sometime soon, this could be a valid long haul route for LH to add to their system, being a hub-to-hub *A route? The current FRA-DEN flight is with a 744.
point2point From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1961 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2771 times:
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 22): Would love to see MUC-DEN restart, or DEN-FRA go up to a 748. DEN could support more international service, I think.
The LH 748i has some 100 premium (first + business class) seats. The 744s (depending on version) has anywhere from 64 to 90 premium seats. And when LH uses the A346 on FRA-DEN, as they do a lot of the time here as well, there are 68 premium seats on this bird.
LH bringing the 748i into FRA-DEN might be exactly what would prevent LH from starting a MUC-DEN route if the issue were the premium seats, as that seemed to be the reason LH officials gave for cancelling the MUC-DEN flight.
And yes, depending on where and the season, there is definitely enough O&D alone on some DEN-xxx/international/longhaul to support more nonstop flights.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7176 posts, RR: 45 Reply 24, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2668 times:
Not a new destination, just a new route, but any news on LH's planned MUC-MEX? It has been "launched" once or twice only to be pulled shortly after the announcement.
25 Viscount724: Shouldn't be a problem. Airbus shows maximum range for the A343 with the higher gross weight options as about 7,200 nm with a full passenger load (bu
26 UA787DEN: True. But notice I said or. Either one is fine by me.
27 bavair: It seems that this is completely off the table for now. They just don't have the right equipment for it.. The A346 is too big and the A343 doesn't se
28 SCL767: It would be great if LX launched ZRH-SCL non-stop; SCL needs more flights to Europe. Should LX launch SCL-ZRH, SCL would have non-stop or direct flig
29 EddieDude: Thank you bavair; makes sense. I suppose this is a job for at 77L (which LH does not operate), a 789 or an A359XWB.
30 reifel: Already today the routing/farerules of LH to SCL allow to fly via EZE and then on LAN, Sky Airline and I believe even AR. Obvisouly it's not an allia
31 DEscl: I was expecting that after the LAN-TAM merger LH would announce FRA-SCL but nothing has happened yet and I think it's a mistake if Star keeps SCL unat
32 point2point: Okay....... But I think that maybe it could be better with the A346 daily to FRA, and then one of their A333s to MUC? MUC would not have to be daily,
33 UA787DEN: The summer A346 should stay. Bug in the winter, they are consistently filling the 744. Also, remember this is also serving every city in the mountain
34 LipeGIG: There's an offer from Latam to grant prime slots at SCL and GRU for any potential new comer. The problem is, G3 tried that before and the strong oper
35 SCL767: Sky Airline has also expressed an interest in operating the SCL-GRU route and would most likely code-share with O6 on the route. However, H2 would ha
36 bavair: I wouldn't be too sure about the above either. Mexico falls into the Hot and High conditions pretty well. I'm not too familiar with the situation but
37 af773atmsp: I always have hope that one of these years LH will finally start FRA-MSP. Its been talked about since the early 2000s, and I don't know if this flight
38 LH506: Indeed, SCL needs more flights to Europe and starting in April LAN will increase frequency on the SCL-MAD route to 9x weekly utilizing the 787s. IMO,
39 yp6370: One issue with long hauls is always the high fuel consumption/price. MUC-SIN was not economical so why should they launch another ultra long flight to
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