bambicruz From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 291 posts, RR: 0 Posted (4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 11070 times:
Forgive me if this has been discussed before but the search feature didn't come up with much...
I'm planning a trip to Alaska in 2013 and was surprised to notice there was no non-stop flights from either JFK or EWR to Anchorage. You either have to transfer at ORD or SEA. If Chicago can sustain direct flights to Anchorage, then I would assume NYC surely can as well.
Can someone shed some light as to why Anchorage does not have a direct link to NYC?
Roseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8754 posts, RR: 52 Reply 10, posted (4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10445 times:
LAX cannot even maintain year round service to ANC. ORD is a gateway to the eastern US and AS code shares with AA. However for the ,ost part during the winter all flights to Alaska go via SEA. Summer has an interesting mix of seasonal routes for tourists and cruise traffic.8
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steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1435 posts, RR: 9 Reply 11, posted (4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10412 times:
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 8): Great circle NYC-ANC is 2931 NM. Quite doable in a 737/320. ORD-ANC is 2473 NM.
It could be done, but "quite doable" is an overstatement considering the longest 737 route in the world is 2,941nm on Copa's PTY-MVD. Comparatively, a westbound NYC-ANC would also face much stiffer headwinds than Copa's largely north-south routes into deep South America, which could make things difficult.
I suspect the reason for the lack of non-stops is that there wouldn't be a substantial fare premium for the non-stop and the demand to/from ANC is scattered enough throughout the eastern portion of the USA that it's just as easy to connect folks through a Western or Midwestern hub rather than fly them all the way to NYC and then connect.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (4 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 10224 times:
Does UA run IAH-ANC, and on what? And what does AA operate to DFW? I didn't realize how much of a stretch this would be on a 737. I could see a 752 4x weekly working, and the MAX could fit quite well on the route if it meets expectations.
jetbluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2785 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10150 times:
I can see B6 giving JFK-ANC a try when its A321's start coming online. B6's ANC-LGB/SEA flights, which offer onward connections to JFK, could help B6 determine the true demand for a non-stop flight.
That said, an A321 is far too much capacity for the winter months. I think this route would be seasonal.
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steex From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1435 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 10009 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 15): Yup, big oil route. It will be operated by a sUA 757 this Spring.
It is a seasonal route, though. UA/CO has long operated a one-stop IAH-SEA-ANC route and supplemented it with summer seasonal non-stop service. CO usually switched the flight numbers in the summer such that EWR-SEA-ANC was the through flight, not sure if UA is doing this still. I know UA is adding a second SEA-ANC rotation, which I assume is a continuation from EWR.
sancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9991 times:
The 73G and A319 can do NYC-ANC with minimal restrictions. Westbound would block in around 7:52, which could push fuel reserves, while The question is, can they do it for a profit?
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16266 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9862 times:
Quoting steex (Reply 16): UA/CO has long operated a one-stop IAH-SEA-ANC route and supplemented it with summer seasonal non-stop service. CO usually switched the flight numbers in the summer such that EWR-SEA-ANC was the through flight, not sure if UA is doing this still.
CO used to have both SEA-ANC and PDX-ANC, I believe the PDX-ANC flight originated in IAH and the SEA-ANC flight originated in EWR.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9836 times:
If you were UA, you could choose between your 737 operating a dangerously long non profitable route about once a day, or have it operate 3 or more daily profitable east coast runs. The 737/319 could do it, but it just doesn't make sense for the airline. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see it return as a 757, MAX, or NEO route at some point.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1814 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9734 times:
It really comes down to yield and allocation of resources. Yes, the market is there but is there enough yield on there to tie up a plane for several hours when that same plane could be doing multiple flights on shorter segments and earning more revenue/ yield?
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 23, posted (4 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9406 times:
Quoting bambicruz (Thread starter): If Chicago can sustain direct flights to Anchorage, then I would assume NYC surely can as well.
It's not Chicago sustaining the direct flight, it's connecting traffic going through Chicago. Chicago is collecting traffic from the entire Eastern US. It makes no sense to fly east to NYC only to connect and fly west again to ANC, and NYC by itself doesn't have enough traffic.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 3): Is it not even possible with 739ERs with additional tanks?
Extra tanks are almost guaranteed to kill the economics of a route like that, even if they allowed you to get there. You pay a very heavy payload penalty (in both weight and space terms) for that extra few hundred miles. NYC-ANC would be a great revenue cargo route but you'd have nowhere to put the cargo.
A bit. I will say one thing: 16,000 ft runway/12,000 ft runways. The design range on a 738 is long enough that DEN doesn't really affect the DEN-ANC flight.
RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2162 posts, RR: 4 Reply 27, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7753 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
CO used to have both SEA-ANC and PDX-ANC, I believe the PDX-ANC flight originated in IAH and the SEA-ANC flight originated in EWR
When did CO do PDX-ANC, back in the 70's and 80's with their interchange flights with AS or WA? I know for sure TW operated PDX-ANC as a STL-PDX-ANC routing, year round with M80's, and summer got a 757 a year or two.
Next Flights: AS PDX-SEA-KOA on DH4/738 in F, HA KOA-OGG on 717 in Y, AS OGG-PDX on 738 in F
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1625 posts, RR: 3 Reply 29, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7190 times:
Quoting STT757 (Reply 5): CO's EWR-ANC flight was with a 738 IIRC.
That flight was never a true direct. It always stopped in IAH and I believe it was a 739 that operated this route.
bomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 30, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7179 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 24): But JFK/EWR are at sea level and ORD is only 668 ft. ASL. DEN's 5,431 ft. elevation must offset some of the difference in mileage.
By less than 1NM. DEN is just much closer than NYC
keithh233 From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 26 posts, RR: 0 Reply 34, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6619 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 27): When did CO do PDX-ANC, back in the 70's and 80's with their interchange flights with AS or WA? I know for sure TW operated PDX-ANC as a STL-PDX-ANC routing, year round with M80's, and summer got a 757 a year or two.
Summer of 2010 actually. I am not sure if they ran it years before or not.
bomber996 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 37, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6496 times:
Quoting iowaman (Reply 36):
Maybe DL could run a 762 JFK-ANC during the summer?
PassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 40, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5332 times:
Quoting iFlyLOTs (Reply 6): The range of the 739ER with the additional tanks is ~3250NM and the distance from Anchorage to NYC is 3370MN
I am not sure that any US carriers have ordered the 900ER's with extra tanks. Alaska for sure has not. I don't believe that United has the extra tanks either.
varigb707 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1220 posts, RR: 1 Reply 41, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5025 times:
Yukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 113 posts, RR: 2 Reply 42, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4764 times:
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Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 21): If you were UA, you could choose between your 737 operating a dangerously long non profitable route about once a day, or have it operate 3 or more daily profitable east coast runs
Quoting LV (Reply 22): It really comes down to yield and allocation of resources. Yes, the market is there but is there enough yield on there to tie up a plane for several hours when that same plane could be doing multiple flights on shorter segments and earning more revenue/ yield?
Kudos to UA/LV...
The way I see it, this is the bottom line.
Airframe capability certainly has bearing on the equation, but it does not change the economic reality. If/when a carrier can allocate a frame to a 15hr (give or take) rotation NYC-ANC-NYC, and make more money than flying it somewhere else for the same amount of time, then that's when we'll enjoy the route again.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6890 posts, RR: 7 Reply 43, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4618 times:
NYC is too far East to be a good connection point for ANC, and as stated can't be done with a 737/A320. The main carriers have hubs that are closer to ANC and can provide more connecting possibilities. For example, ORD/MSP can connect the entire eastern 1/3 of the country (and the most populous area), without any backtracking or significant deviation from the GC route. One could even argue that ORD/MSP can connect the entire eastern half of the country with minimal backtracking for some. The Summer months may be the only time when there is enought demand to operate anything larger than a 737/A320 from NYC.
brilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 3181 posts, RR: 1 Reply 44, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4217 times:
Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 13):
I can see B6 giving JFK-ANC a try when its A321's start coming online. B6's ANC-LGB/SEA flights, which offer onward connections to JFK, could help B6 determine the true demand for a non-stop flight
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 23):
Quoting bambicruz (Thread starter):
If Chicago can sustain direct flights to Anchorage, then I would assume NYC surely can as well.
It's not Chicago sustaining the direct flight, it's connecting traffic going through Chicago. Chicago is collecting traffic from the entire Eastern US. It makes no sense to fly east to NYC only to connect and fly west again to ANC, and NYC by itself doesn't have enough traffic.
I had the same question as to whether there was enough traffic to justify the equipment for the route. You are not going to have enough demand for the route during the winter months. I mean seriously, who would want to fly up to the arctic in the middle of winter that did not have to go?
EWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 379 posts, RR: 0 Reply 45, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3958 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 23): It's not Chicago sustaining the direct flight, it's connecting traffic going through Chicago. Chicago is collecting traffic from the entire Eastern US. It makes no sense to fly east to NYC only to connect and fly west again to ANC, and NYC by itself doesn't have enough traffic.
I recall recent US summer PHL-ANC nonstops on a 757. PHL is only a very short distance farther west and south than EWR. If that service can succeed at PHL, I would imagine it could succeed at EWR (or JFK).
Yukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 113 posts, RR: 2 Reply 46, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3787 times:
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Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 45): I recall recent US summer PHL-ANC nonstops on a 757. PHL is only a very short distance farther west and south than EWR. If that service can succeed at PHL, I would imagine it could succeed at EWR (or JFK).
This seasonal service lasted two summers and was not part of the mix for 2012.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 48, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3691 times:
To all who want a 762 or 757 on the route: most airlines aren't starting new routes with these planes. A 762 is way too much plane and very premium heavy compared to a 752 or 753. These planes are going to be retired fairly soon. For now, if they are going to operate on that long of a stage length, it's going to be transcontinental and transatlantic. That's where the money is.
PHL didn't work. NYC has better O&D, but actually slightly worse connections to the US. Chicago is great for connections. So is DEN and the entire west coast. Any airline would rather put their NYC slots and equipment of that sort to, say, DUB, MAN, CDG, AMS and so on.
It is quite possible to fly this route. Its also, with current aircraft, a financial bloodbath and quite pointless route.
Citationjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 49, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3661 times:
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 23): Quoting bambicruz (Thread starter):If Chicago can sustain direct flights to Anchorage, then I would assume NYC surely can as well.
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 23): It's not Chicago sustaining the direct flight, it's connecting traffic going through Chicago. Chicago is collecting traffic from the entire Eastern US. It makes no sense to fly east to NYC only to connect and fly west again to ANC, and NYC by itself doesn't have enough traffic.
I agree, that is the reason why ORD can support the ANC service, while NYC cannot.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 50, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3636 times:
ORD has better connections, to th US and still serves Europe. It is also slightly shorter, and easier to operate with a 737. Lower fuel costs and probably a more full plane. This makes ORD much more attractive than NYC
tdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80 Reply 51, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3532 times:
Quoting brilondon (Reply 44): You are not going to have enough demand for the route during the winter months. I mean seriously, who would want to fly up to the arctic in the middle of winter that did not have to go?
Summer is tourism, but winter is oil. Oil falls firmly into the "have to go" catagory but there's a lot of them.
airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 6890 posts, RR: 7 Reply 53, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3441 times:
Quoting brilondon (Reply 44): You are not going to have enough demand for the route during the winter months. I mean seriously, who would want to fly up to the arctic in the middle of winter that did not have to go?
First, Anchorage is far from being in the arctic. It's actually quite mild, relatively speaking because it's a coastal city. Secondly there is traffic in the Winter, in both directions, albeit not nearly as much as in the Summer. It's a catchment area of nearly 400,000 people. The oil and gas industry generates a fair bit of traffic. There are also a lot of people who work in AK but do not actually live there. They commute in and out every x amount of days.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 54, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3306 times:
ANC is indeed a winter route also. But the NYC airlines would rather serve a city such as NCE or AMS in the winter with that kind of equipment. Any chance we see NYC-ANC as a NEO/MAX route? I think we could see it. Which airline? AA! DL, UA, and B6 all might serve it.
slcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2456 posts, RR: 0 Reply 55, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3252 times:
There is certainly demand in the summer to fill a plane but its mostly toursists and people going on longer trips not willing to pay a heavy premium for a non-stop. Most of those people do not mind a stop over in MSP, SLC, DEN, or SEA if the price is lower its leisure travelers on longer trips. It is also extremely seasonal high deman in the summer months and very little in the dead of winter. People in both cities are seeking the warmer beach type vacations in the dead of winter
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 890 posts, RR: 0 Reply 56, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3222 times:
Rather than continuing to argue about the demand for NYC-ANC direct service, somebody here must know how to look up the stats on daily average travel between the two markets. And even if it is a planeload from the greater NYC area, that doesn't mean that a person living out on Long Island and a person in upstate NJ want tp take the same flight, even if nonstop.
UA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 291 posts, RR: 0 Reply 57, posted (4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3213 times:
I think that NYC-ANC has plenty of demand. But most pax would be willing to connect somewhere. Add in the aircraft limits and the fact that many summer pax are low yielding, airlines won't fly it today. However, I would like to know the PDEW and how it fluctuates throughout the year.
PassedV1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 58, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2814 times:
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 54): Any chance we see NYC-ANC as a NEO/MAX route? I think we could see it. Which airline? AA! DL, UA, and B6 all might serve it.
I think the only airline that I think would have a even a remote chance of starting this service is AS and an even smaller chance would be B6. As stated earlier, DL, UA, US, etc. connect passengers to get them to ANC and they all have much better connecting points than NYC. DL in MSP, UA in DEN and ORD, US in PHL. AS could make this route work with their domination of originating traffic out of ANC, but right now the limiting factor is equipment as it is too long of a route to do on a regular schedule on a 737. The MAX might make this a possiblity.
mah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31119 posts, RR: 74 Reply 59, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
Quoting Prost (Reply 28):
Also, keep in mind that the Anchorage MSA population is only 380,000 so you're not talking a large population base that isn't being served.
Small metro, but Anchorage is an wealthy metro and it's residents have a very high propensity of travel compared to others.
Prost From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 60, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2702 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 59): Small metro, but Anchorage is an wealthy metro and it's residents have a very high propensity of travel compared to others.
I agree, but I don't think that its significant enough to render year round NYC-ANC viable.
I know that when the Alaska Permanent Fund checks come out, several airlines offer deals such as sogn over your check, we'll provide you with X amount of RT tickets, or at least they have in the past.
Yukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 113 posts, RR: 2 Reply 62, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2636 times:
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Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 58): I think the only airline that I think would have a even a remote chance of starting this service is AS...but right now the limiting factor is equipment as it is too long of a route to do on a regular schedule on a 737. The MAX might make this a possiblity.
Which begs the following...
How likely would it be for AS to task a brand new MAX to the route, for all the reasons already discussed?
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 890 posts, RR: 0 Reply 64, posted (4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2414 times:
Quoting PassedV1 (Reply 58): I think the only airline that I think would have a even a remote chance of starting this service is AS and an even smaller chance would be B6. As stated earlier, DL, UA, US, etc. connect passengers to get them to ANC and they all have much better connecting points than NYC. DL in MSP, UA in DEN and ORD, US in PHL. AS could make this route work with their domination of originating traffic out of ANC, but right now the limiting factor is equipment as it is too long of a route to do on a regular schedule on a 737. The MAX might make this a possiblity.
There are many DL stations, for example, that do not have direct service to MSP or SLC that do have service to JFK. Pax originating in those stations may use a DL JFK flight. Also, keep in mind that AS passengers could earn their EQMs on DL and that DL pax could earn their miles on connecting AS serevice through ANC.
Yukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 113 posts, RR: 2 Reply 66, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
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Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 64): There are many DL stations, for example, that do not have direct service to MSP or SLC that do have service to JFK. Pax originating in those stations may use a DL JFK flight. Also, keep in mind that AS passengers could earn their EQMs on DL and that DL pax could earn their miles on connecting AS serevice through ANC.
With respect Robert, I'm not grasping the point you are driving at here.
And what particular cities with DL JFK service, but no MSP/SLC did you have in mind?
atct From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2038 posts, RR: 40 Reply 68, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
If it was profitable, UA (from EWR), DL (from JFK) or US (PHL) would be flying it. Pretty plain and simple.
In regards to winter traffic its feast or famine. Ive seen empty flights, ive seen way oversold. The majority of the traffic I would say are locals and oil. Alot of the slope and mine workers work schedules like 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off or 6 on 6 off etc. Alot of these people live in the lower 48 and throughout the world. This isnt including the people coming from the HQ's in say Houston, Dallas, Amsterdam, etc. etc.
I would like to see ANC-JFK but I would rather see some of our seasonal's go year round first.
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ANCsupercub From United States of America, joined May 2007, 132 posts, RR: 0 Reply 69, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
Quoting mah4546 (Reply 61): No, but it's why ANC can maintain service to places like Chicago and Hawai'i year-round, and it's probably why Icelandair is coming.
And MSP. Additionally, while the Anchorage metro is only 380,000, ANC draws from the entire state. IMO Alaskans travel much more than those from the lower 48.
Quoting atct (Reply 68):
If it was profitable, UA (from EWR), DL (from JFK) or US (PHL) would be flying it. Pretty plain and simple.
While this is true, one might be able to make the argument that there isn't a correctly sized aircraft with suitable range. It will be interesting to see if anyone attempts this route with the MAX or NEO.
That being said I don't think we will ever see this as a year round service. Especially considering ORD isn't year round anymore (AS doesn't fly it from Jan 7 - Mar 3). The only chance is with seasonal service.
spchamp1 From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 87 posts, RR: 0 Reply 70, posted (4 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1644 times:
Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 13): I can see B6 giving JFK-ANC a try when its A321's start coming online. B6's ANC-LGB/SEA flights, which offer onward connections to JFK, could help B6 determine the true demand for a non-stop flight.
That said, an A321 is far too much capacity for the winter months. I think this route would be seasonal.
I dont see that at all. There is no reason to do that when you can simply run customers through LGB or SEA. I dont think B6 would want to tie up an a/c for the enitre day on 1 rountrip per day. Besides, BOS - OAK/SFO/LGB is bad enough in the winter as it is, I personally would not want to be on a narrowbody for that long with DirecTV or not.
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 14): I think that JFK-ANC is too far for the 321. I could see it as a 320NEO route in the future.
If they were to do JFK-ANC, I believe it would be on an A320NEO but, I do not see this even being more than a "well, its within the limits of the aircraft" possibility.
TWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 762 posts, RR: 1 Reply 71, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
Quoting spchamp1 (Reply 70): If they were to do JFK-ANC, I believe it would be on an A320NEO but, I do not see this even being more than a "well, its within the limits of the aircraft" possibility.
If they order the 73GMAX or A319NEO, I will bet my left arm that they start EWR-ANC, seasonal, x-amount weekly, etc...
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burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 72, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1130 times:
Add in that typically during the summer ANC see's 1x DTW as well.
Quoting UA787DEN (Reply 8):
Great circle NYC-ANC is 2931 NM. Quite doable in a 737/320. ORD-ANC is 2473 NM.
The A320 can't even come close to making it. NW tried running the A320 MSP-ANC years ago and it would always need a tech stop in Canada. It ended up being a short lived route for the A320. MSP-ANC is 2189 NM
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Yukon880 From United States of America, joined Sep 2011, 113 posts, RR: 2 Reply 73, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1091 times:
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Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 72): Add in that typically during the summer ANC see's 1x DTW as well.
While not specifically pertinent to the OP topic, DL did not operate the seasonal ANC/DTW for 2012.
Additionally, and I think this speaks volumes of the yield (or lack thereof), DL did not operate the SLC/ANC route for seven full weeks just prior to the start of the Christmas holiday "rush," leaving one daily MSP/ANC as the only skd DL service.
Flighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 7451 posts, RR: 2 Reply 74, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1079 times:
Quoting migair54 (Reply 9): Actually it´s quite strange that nobody flies the route, not even few times a week, when a city-hub like MSP can sustain 4xday B757 in summer.
MSP has always been the lead for ANC other than SEA with its local & southbound connections. MSP generally is the shortest distance hub with the most connections for ANC. DTW could also serve that way. EWR itself is a lousy hub and would be inferior, other than offering ANC-NYC nonstop, which isn't such a big deal when all is said and done. ANC people are widely distributed at colleges and businesses nationwide. Tourists likewise come from everywhere. Hence MSP is the right location for the hub, not NYC.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 890 posts, RR: 0 Reply 75, posted (4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 991 times:
Again, most passengers strive to make just a single connection. So you need to look through the list of DL stations and determine how many points are served by various hubs and no other options. That is, how many cities can get to ANC with a SLC connection and not MSP etc.
sancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 76, posted (4 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 823 times:
Either the CFM powered A320s are grossly infurior to iAE powered A320s, or NWs just suck. US/HP operates PhX-ANC with A320 in the summer and a319 in winter jdue to differences in demand. ANC-PHX and ANC-MSP are pretty close in distance and US hasn't had to divert for fuel with the a320.
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